this to happen. tilikum is a great animal and dawn is a great trainer. i'm sad it did happen, shocked. >> yet, tilikum has a history. so were you aware of this history? >> um, yes, i was aware of the history. >> and do you think it's surprising that tilikum would attack again? there are two other instances where people have died. do you think this animal should still have access to humans? >> only the most experienced trainers get to work with tilikum. i'm not sure of the exact incident in vancouver and the guy in 1999 apparently jumped over the fence at night and got into the pool with tilikum. it's hard to say whether that was an act of play or aggression. and i wasn't there today. so i can't really tell you what happened today. all i can say is that tilikum is a good animal and dawn was a great trainer. >> and i want to point out we are watching video of you with killer whales when you were still working with them. paula, turning back to you, earlier when we spoke to you,