[background noises] [background noises] [inaudible conversations] the command oversight and accountability will come to order. I want to welcome everyone here this morning. Without objection the chair may declare a racist at any time. Without objection chairman of the ways and Means Committee mr, representative matt gaetz of florida representative eric swallow of california our weight onto the committee for the quest questioning the witnesses at todays committee hearing. Todays hearing opening segments will be open to 10 minutes for the chair in 10 minutes for the Ranking Member. The chair notes points of order pertaining to the engaging of personalities against the president will not be in order for the duration of todays hearing. Given this is a hearing regarding this committees impeachment inquiry, members must be allowed to speak frankly. The chair that recognizes himself for an Opening Statement. The committee on oversight we are hear from witnesses who previously provided information during our deposition interview phase regarding the biden Family Business practices in china, ukraine, russia, and other places around the world. At the start of this Congress Oversight committee investigated what products or service the biden family and their associates were selling that would justify over 24 million in payments. We reviewed emails, bank records, Text Messages, suspicious activity reports at treasury, and other evidence normally compiled during an expansive investigation such as this. The Oversight Committees found no credible evidence of the bidens providing any work products. The committee has identified no legitimate value or document or one single hour of work the bidens have provided their Business Partners. Nothing. What is apparent after over a year of investigation the bidens do not work in any traditional sense of the word. They do not work as consultants. Or lawyers. Or advisors. The bidens do not sell a product or service a set of skills. The bidens cell joe biden. That is their business. For months we have heard democrats desperately proclaiming witnesses of told this committee joe biden had no involvement in his familys business dealings. But where are those Witnesses Today . It is telling democrats have invited one of these witnesses to todays hearing. That is because the other testimonies would not withstand public scrutiny. Democrats have relied on these witnesses Opening Statements have willfully turned a blind eye to the facts that have come out in these interviews once the witnesses were questioned about our record of evidence are democrats now must rely who can talk about the facts but todays witnesses who work with the bidens. President biden cannot control his adult son. He cannot control his brother, his sisterinlaw, or his nine family members who have received money from these transactions. All President Biden can do is control was known actions that its what we are here today to discuss with the witnesses. Because in the course of this investigation we have learned joe biden has taken action after action to further his familys plans to get rich. He shows up to meetings, gets on phone calls, shakes hands and tells people to quote look after my family. He goes to dinners with foreign oligarchs on executive paying to send millions of dollars. He gets paid with money from Chinese Businessmen has some tells other Business Associates hope to see what he can do to help the situation. Write the letters of recommendation for a bit associates chilled in the scam a simple promises they can make foreign partners go away by engaging the u. S. Government the problems can be anything. We craning corruption investigation, moving rush at money to the United States ever mining criminal prosecution, access for china to Energy Sources for job shows up shakes a few hands in front of his son take care of my boy or something similar. In the money flows to the tune of tens of millions of dollars. Ive done over and over again the biden family promises joes power, joe biden shows up billions of dollars come to the bidens pockets. Joe biden is a families closer. How could he not be . The bidens are not doing any other work for the Foreign Companies that werent tens of billions of dollars. There are only two explanations for this the first is joe biden knows exactly what he is doing and handshake, a wink and a smile as jim biden calls a plausible deniability. Or joe biden is being led around by his family and has no idea who he is leading with what message she is and is truly an elderly man with a poor memory. Either joe biden is complicit or joe biden is incompetent. Since becoming chairman of the News Committee generate 2023 a promise investigation by family influence peddling will be based on bank records, witness testimony verifiable facts. After years of democrats is this committee is to help bees for every conspiracy day they could find like the russian collision hoax, under my leadership its return to real investigation. Democrats want to spend a russian hoax answer one question. To earn them over 24 million. What did they do for the money . Democrats had the same bank records as weighty of bank records do not lie. The Witnesses Today are here to talk about joe biden but republicans are here to talk about joe biden democrats wish to spend their time protecting prison biden they can do so. I wouldnt invited hunter biden here today to sit alongside his Business Associates and provide his side of the story. Hunter biden demanded a public hearing i have given him one. Maybe he will show up. He said he isnt but he loves and one thing and doing another at some point hunter biden is saying one thing and doing another begins to reflect poorly on his ability to tell the truth at all. But just think its not about hunter biden. Is this investigation is not about Hunter Bidens joe biden the lacey continues to tell the American People. With that failed to rank members. Thank you and Ranking Member raskin from the beginning of this investigation we have made clear will follow the facts wherever they lead. The facts have led us to two conclusions. One the biden family has for years traded under bidens name in order to rake in millions of dollars. Often doing so with his direct knowledge and clear involvement. Two, President Biden has been continually dishonest with the American People about his knowledge of his familys business dealings. We have testimony from multiple witnesses joe biden was the brand. He knew what his son and brother were doing and did nothing to stop it. That alone makes him complicit to make money off of his Public Service. He was not just complicit. It was one of todays witnesses have testified an enabler of this activity. The evidence of the two irs whistleblowers who came to the ways and Means Committee has been affirmed by volumes of material provided to congress the testimony of others and even by the department of justice to finally brought charges against hunter biden that mirrors those called for by the irs investigators. The evidence obtained shows one joe biden met with his sons of Business Partners on multiple occasions. He used an alias to exchange and dozens of emails with his sons and bookkeeper. He took official Government Action suspiciously coincided with those meetings and correspondence. The connections between joe biden in the suns Business Practices extended even to the biden 2020 campaign. At the height of the democrat primary kevin morris a hollywood met hunter biden at a Joe Biden Campaign fundraiser paid off. Tax liabilities because there was in his words a risk personally and politically. If that was not met or swept mat under the rug. Investigators were told to stand down. The biden family relied on the biden brand is so much evidence rebuilt hunter biden believed quote all of this stuff, meeting legal troubles would all go away when his dad became president. Why did he believe that . For years the biden family has personally benefited from joe bidens position of power. Joe biden knew this. He did nothing to stop it and he lied about it. I yield to tim jordan chairman jordan. I think the gentleman. Plants of the pipe bombs and generally six . Nobody seems to know if it who leaked the dobbs draft opinion . You know the leak that led to an assassination attempt on justice, part about this one who left cocaine at the white house questioned by the administration does not have time to answer these questions they are too busy investigating parents in school board meetings, labeling catholic extremist, retaliating its whistleblowers theyre too busy putting together a sweetheart deal for hunter biden. A deal that got laughed out of court. The guy put together the deal the got left out of court is the guy they name special counsel. That time for us going after President Trump they have been doing it for eight years. They spied on his campaign then it was the Mueller Investigation , lawyers 40 agents 30 million and found nothing for then it was impeachment, it was rate his home then special counsel. Then it was the 14th amendment. The party of democracy said we can keep the guy off the ballot is leading in every single pole. The Ranking Member said President Trump should be disqualified from even running for office. Thank goodness we have a Supreme Court disagreed with the Ranking Member and the democrat. Nine zero. Not 54, not 63, 78 not 819 zero they disagreed. Now democrats say how dare republicans investigate joe biden. How dare they look into the money, the business and the brand . Millions of dollars as a charm and said millions of dollars in foreign entities run from Different Companies for what . Twenty Different Companies for what . Devon archer told it what it was for access to the brand the brand was joe biden. The brand that played rounds of golf, attendant lunches and dinners with hunter biden and his Business Partners for the brand that said that conditioned 1 billion of american tax money on the firing of the prosecutor pressuring the company hunter biden set in by the weight was getting paid a million bucks a year. Today we will learn more about that brand plausible deniability that talk mr. Wu heard about the statement, the rule say it, forget it, write it, regret it. I want to thank our witnesses for coming here today but they, like the whistleblowers to come to the ways and Means Committee symbol because he want the American People to have the truth and i yield back. The chart recognize the Ranking Member or 12 minutes for his opening segment. Thank you very kindly. With any luck today marks the end of the perhaps the most spectacular failure the effort to find a high crimes and misdemeanors and impeach him for it. In episodes of this longrunning madcap series america got to see the following. One comment nearly 20 fact witnesses could not identify a single act of wrongdoing by President Biden much less a high crimes and misdemeanors and overwhelmingly testified biden was not involved in any of his Family Business adventures. Two, three expert witnesses called by the majority itself who said nothing they had seen in the tens of thousands of pages of documents produced by the majority even remotely approach the level of a high crimes and misdemeanors. Bank records which show exactly what all of the witnesses told us that joe biden was not involved in his family members businesses repeated displays of pornographic images by the majority completely irrelevant to any conceivable legislative or investigative purpose. A star witness turned out to be a chinese agent in an illegal arms a trafficker on that run from america justice. The key piece of evidence which launched the entire zany goose chase at the 1023 form in which the fbi duly recorded a completely fictional tip about a 5 million bribe petal by Alex Smirnoff by a trump appointed u. S. Attorney, special counsel for felony counts of systematically lying to the fbi and constructing a false record about joe biden. And now sits in jail in california as a flight risk while the world studies his longstanding and extensive ties to russian intelligence. Today, the good chairman and his as maga detectives is finally jumped the shark. The comedy of errors comes crashing to an end as House Republicans and more than a dozen biden districts begged for mercy. The committee throws a flabby hail mary passed after the super bowl is over but to date we revisit the fruitless testimony of two more fading star witnesses have failed to testify to any president ial wrongdoing. Much less evidence of high crimes and misdemeanors. Both of the majority witnesses are frustrated would be Business Partners of hunter biden who tried to leverage the biden name with the biden brand as they keep calling it. But they never got any business off the ground for reasons that will become painfully obvious to anyone watching the proceedings today. Even hunter biden laboring at the time under serious Substance Abuse addiction could tell these were not the type of people who should be doing business with. So rather than presenting the biden brand they now show us today as loyal servants of trump world each of them probably represented by their very own former Trump White House attorney. The first the bitterly disappointed one to be Hunter Business partner famously at litigious history includes unsuccessfully suing his own and dying Fathers Charity for nearly a Million Dollars. Just last month suing Cassidy Atchinson for 10 million after she recorded he was wearing a ski mask met with mark meadows means backed up with actual documentary photographic evidence. Made his hazy allegations public on a press conference choreographed by the trump for President Campaign which provided him a venue and even a dress shirt they went out and bought for him to wear to the event. Hours later he joined the second 2020 president ial debate Donald Trumps personal guest he was seated with kid rock and mark meadows. The other star witness who i believe the pairing by zoom today is a serial fraudster convicted conman a term i would charitably not use on a witness except it was explicitly bestowed upon him by not one but two different u. S. Federal court judges including the one who sent him to over 15 years and prison for defrauding Union Pension funds a native american tribe and scores of investors. To pay restitution of over 8 million to his victims. That is a lot of money. What donald trump was sent into pay a net civil litigation. The very first record of its claims against the biden family appeared, check this out in the clemency petition to President Trump. But the key point is this. Even if we were to believe every single word offered by these utterly compromised unbiased witnesses, their allegations do not identify any wrongdoing. The impeachment bus running on empty our geo colleagues are preparing to save face with criminal referrals. Requires evidence of crimes. Doing crimes we have seen like russian asset devon archer, jason glamis. Cast a piercing lights on what is really taking place here. On has reason to know. He too used to be peddling lies and disinformation smear joe biden. Today he joins a long line of self exiled from trump world who could no longer all corruption. People like cassidy hutchinson. People like Michael Cohen. Sarah matthews, general james mattis, the chair of the joint chiefs of staff mark milley general jon kelly and now Vice President mike pence he refuses to endorse for president the man he served with. But we do have loyal still in the room and one day i look forward to hearing their testimony about how they got sunk into this religious cult. He wrote chairman comber and me a remarkable letter on july 23, 2023. This is the first time i meeting him today. He was Rudy Giulianis righthand man. His globetrotting Business Partner and Language Interpreter in the mission to manufacture ukraine and burisma related dirt and smears against joe biden. That was in 20,182,019. He spent all this time traveling around the world trying tos stage evidence against joe biden. The desperate search to find evidence of any kind of Biden Corruption was a complete and total bust. Is no evidence in ukraine that joe biden did anything improper but more darkly search for smoking gun against biden to invent and concoct evidence out of thin air with the active help of russian intelligence assets and agents. Im getting to rush you have not heard anything at mr. Chairman. Amanda reckoned with this own moral dissent into trump world, he is ashamed to serve the interests of russian propaganda and putins lies. He wants america to know the truth. I was to explain how the conspiracy theories and lies promoted with Rudy Giuliani the tires and fabrication spread by alex and now repeated by the committee. At every turn might colleagues krait rush a hoax. Even in the face of repeated warnings from Donald Trumps own treasury secretary and secretary of state from the Intelligence Community from Robert Mueller and most recently from special counsel weiss name to office by butdonald trump is a secretary stated quote russian disinformation campaigns targeting american citizens are a threat to our democracy. Someone you guys usually defend my gop colleagues can krait russia hoax like cult member selling flowers at the airport. Our colleagues are the ones amplifying the russian hoax. The one giuliani and trump and smirnoff have eagerly adopted from putin and his agents but they participate in this hoax they shamefully block 60 billion in military assistance to president zelensky the besieged ukrainian people five years after trump and giuliani tried to shake a president zelensky down for counterfeit dirt on joe biden. They continue to parrot these transparent russian lies, Vladimir Putin waitresses body aggressive war on ukraine fueled with atrocities like the mass kidnapping of children the rape and slaughter of civilians for the maga right wholesale adoption of this russian hoax and the sellout of the ukrainian people by the maga right is a historic betrayal of democracy, freedom, the rule of law but the defense of democracy begins with fidelity to the troops and the oversight democrats americas troop squad against disinformation is here today to set the record straight. I yield back to you mr. Chairman. Clock said now like to introduce our witnesses mr. Tony bobulinaki. He was a Business Partner of hunter biden in a joint venture between a chinese entity he sat for transcribed interview with the committee on february 13, 2024. He was not a business associate of the biden family. Mr. Parnas is an entrepreneur political activists and an author. Mr. Jason gallant us. It was a Business Partner of hunter biden. He sat for transcribed interview on the 23rd, 2012 for we asked the bureau of prisons to make them available in person today. They would only provide him forr brief virtual testimony. Notably he applied for terrorist acts, home confinement and after lengthy approval process was approved for home confinement june 9, 2023. The following day 2023 his approval was reversed as a result of the department of justice intervention. So he has remained at a federal prison facility he is currently in Montgomery Alabama can you please estate for the record who else is in the room with you . My counsel and nicholas. Thank you. Pursuant to Committee Rule 9g the witnesses will please stand and raise your right hand use only swear or affirm the testament youre about to give is the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth so help you god . Let the wreckage of the witnesses all answered in the affirmative. Thank you, you will may be seated. We appreciate you all being here today look forward to your testimony. Let me remind the witnesses we have read your written statements they will appear in full in the hearing record. Please make your oral statements to five minutes as a reminder please press the button on the microphone in front of you it is on and members can hear you. You begin to speak the light in front of you it will turn green after four minutes will turn yellow on the red light comes on your time has expired we would ask you please wrap it up as quickly as possible. I now recognize mr. Bobulinaki for his Opening Statement. Should i allow hunter to give his Opening Statement first . Does not appear mr. Biden shut up first public hearing will recognize you. Think you mr. Chairman. Chairman, Ranking Members and members of congress, good morning. Thank you for this opportunity to speak with you and present my truthful testimony to the American People. I sit here today under oath for one reason one reason only, the American People deserve to hear the truth. The truth involved in the deep corruption of the biden family including the malfeasance of the sitting president of the United States might be raw and unpleasant the American People must hear it. You are presented here today to narratives in this investigation. The false coming pushed by joe biden a serial liar and fabulist known as impeachment investigation for public corruption his brother jim biden 75 your old man who cannot keep his lies straight including under oath and including a son son chronic drug addict facing indictment 12 count you have the truth confirmed by multiple biden Family Business partners over many years and backed up by mountains of irrefutable evidence of link Text Messages, emails, documents, recordings, i am the only biden Family Business partner with an impeccable military record. I am grateful this countries give me the freedom to be successful. I would charge you become independently wealthy. Ive taken several businesses public. Sold multiple businesses and some world best private equity firms affect my Business Success is why they sought me out. However with this done is repugnant to me im here today because im a patriot and im a truth teller. We keep hear from certain corners our democracy is at risk democracies on about and 24 the same people preaching no better. They continue to lie to the American People without hesitation and remorse. Both lawyers former prosecutor from new york continue to lie and go straight to the media to tell more lies. Hunter bidens defense attorney weaponize as letters to congress to try to smear my name. Mr. Chairman . Mr. Chairman attempt to save his powerfully connected clients and his father. I challenge him to make those claims on National Television so he can be held accountable for his lies. Prior to my successful Business Career as an officer in the nine states navy elite command i served as a chief technology officer. I apologize for the disruption. Am i supposed to say its my time . Please come to order. Mr. Bobulinaki please proceed i apologize for this disruption from the minority. Mr. Chairman save his time. He called members of this committee liars i just want to know whether the order and the quorum requirements of house rule 11 apply to witnesses appearing before the committee. Does it apply or does it not . Should i adjust . [inaudible] there is decorum for that members weve asked for that. There is no language i am aware potential witness. Make sure we did not waste any of his time is Opening Statement. Mr. Bobulinkski im sorry for this disruption please continue Opening Statement. Well make sure its right. Okay. I want to restate. Make sure the American People hear these facts. Weaponize letters to congress to try to smear my name mistake the cold hard facts attempt to save power for collected client and father. I challenge mr. Lowell to make those claims on National Television so he can be held accountable for his lies. Prior to my successful business person officer for over six years the night states navy the elite Naval Nuclear power Training Command decorated master training specialist. He later served for the department of endocrine nsa. When i left in the entire commander i jumped into the Business World in public markets. But ive made a few contributions over the years to democrats such as a representative i do not see him but hope he shows up today. I sits on the democratic side of the Oversight Committee im not a political person to cover a family with a long history in our nations military. Including my father, both of my grandfathers and my brother who are willing to sacrifice their lives for this great country my sister serves the military vets for two decades at the Veterans Administration we have lived our lives as a family and service to this great country. I hope the American People will pay close attention i also hope they will understand some members of this committee will gauge in absurd attacks and efforts to try to deflect attention from the facts i will present today by questioning my integrity and my patriotic duty. You may see me speak passionately at this hearing but for good reason. Not only was i willing to die for this country, every single mail member of my immediate family was willing to die for this country. I want to be Crystal Clear my direct personal explains what ive subsequently come to learn it is clear to me joe biden was the brand being sold by the biden family his or her influence peddling operation from china to ukraine and elsewhere sold out the foreign actors who are seeking to gain influence and access to joe biden in the nicest governor. Joe biden was more than a participant in a beneficiary of his familys business he was an active, aware enabler he met with Business Associates such as myself to further the business despite being buffered by a complex scheme to maintain plausible deniability. I asked this big question if thereis no evidence of corruptin here today joes conduct he cant oppose family or fully legal and proper then why are they so dishonest about it . Not just a slight misrepresentation of fact but deep untruths about the entire corrupt enterprise. Hunter biden gave transcribed interview on february 28 light throughout his testimony. Heres one egregious example of hunters perjury. He lied to the committee on important details concerning his many demands and threats and Text Messages on july 30 he leverages in the infamous text to pay hunter immediately. He also laid extensively throughout his transcribed interview on february 21 and perjured himself. An example of that on page 100 of his transcript he is asked specifically do you recall having a meeting with hunter biden, tony bobulinaki and joe biden . Jims response, absolutely not too. The committee was so shocked by his perjury they asked in the same question multiple times. Each time he denied meeting with me and joe biden. After the committee showed Text Messages confirming i met with joe biden, hunter biden and jim biden jim was a former u. S. Attorney lawyer sitting next to him. Still denied the meeting took place. Hunter biden and his own transcribed interview confirmed that meeting took place. Hunter confirmed his uncle perjured himself in front of this committee. I am here to tell the truth to the American People and i hope each and every one of your congressmen and women give the opportunity to do that instead of focusing on a russia or smearing my familys name or focusing on facts that are irrelevant today. I yield back. Experimenter inquiry just two points. I believe mr. Bobulinkski went over hope to have the same privilege markets are given equal time too. Secondly i see we have a witness appearing remotely i thought witnesses were required to appear in person are the rules adopted by the majority at the beginning of congress. Do we have a new practice with respect to that rule because i know members on our side were denied the ability to participate in hearings that were conducted in florida, mississippi, alabama that we wanted to participate by zoom. Cooks ill answer that it requires to build testify at remotely requires a letter from me and approval from the majority leader which we have. Well enter that into the record. Thank you. I hope you extend the same courtesy to members of this committee when they can get to a hearing in mississippi or florida thank you much. For an inquiry . Take your point. Mr. Chairman, mr. Bobulinkski referred to Text Messages i believe he is referring to photos. What is your parliamentary inquiry state your parliamentary inquiry. We have a very important hearing here we do not have time for stunts what is your parliamentary inquiry . I am simply asking too. The chair out recognizes for his time. The chair recognizes dizzy chairman have the Text Messages . Mr. Chairman twitter have time for games by democrats today. Of important witnesses here. And asking a question. You asked for a parliamentary inquiry. You have five minutes whenever jamie gives you tells me it is your time to speak. The chair recognizes you for equal time which was seven minutes. Thank you hello. Members of Congress German coma, Ranking Member at raskin and members of the Oversight Committee. I am humbled and thankful before you today. I came to the United States from up ukraine in 1976 it was still the former soviet union. My mother, father, sister had left the soviet union escaping antisemitism and persecution. While in rome in route to his or my sister and i had the most important opportunities weve ever been given. We went u. S. Green card lottery. I family came here with literally no more than shorts on our backs in the hopes of rebuilding our lives in the land of freedom. I say this to you because i love this country. Shortly after my arrest on october 9, 2019 until now ive been trying to share the irrefutable truth with you. American people have been lied to by donald trump, Rudy Giuliani various cohorts of individuals in government, media positions. They create falsehoods to serve their own interest with undermined the strength of our nation. From november 2019 until octobey participant and a witness to numerous efforts to prove joe and hunter biden who were linked to corruption in ukraine. Rudy giuliani present Donald Trump Task with the mission to travel the globe fighting dirt on the bidens they could spread misinformation about them. Ironically when i was arrested my original like me too an individual the unindicted coconspirator one. We know this individual to be congress repeat sessions are sits on this very committee today. Today i ask you to consider the following break nearly a year traveling the world in Different Countries i found precisely zero evidence of the biting corruption in ukraine. No credible sources ever provided proof of activity. The fbi, cia or nsa. No respectable ukraine officials ever said the biden sit anythind anything illegal including former president bush and go and former prosecutor. Was offered a deal by Rudy Giuliani in exchange for information on the bidens, he provided none because there is none. Only information push on the Biden Ukraine has come from one source and one source only. Russia and russian agents. The proceedings that bring us here predicated on false information spread by the kremlin. Everyone involved knew they were sharing lies. From trump and giuliani shattered diplomacy commissions ukraine and elsewhere, to members of a team a group convened for the sole purpose of investigating and damaging the bidens. Everything was for the ultimate benefit of donald trump and thereby Vladimir Putin. Because teams investigations were centered around Biden Ukraine i was just a point person in every matter they pursue. That is how i know with certainty these biden stories are untrue then and are untrue now. Congress and Pete Sessions and devon, senator ron johnson at many other thirds under said theyre pushing a false narrative. The same goes for sean hannity, and media personnel particularly at fox news who use this narrative to meet up like the public ahead of the 2020 election. Sadly they are still doing this today as we approach the 2024 elections. We cannot separate the conspiracy from the russian ukraine or because trump has no intention to keep aiding ukraine. Without the support of the United States and nato, millions in ukraine will suffer and die. If we allow russia to defeat ukraine eventually that suffering will reach american shores. Today, i admit my own wrongdoings. On surface engines. We dont hide that from reality because as part of my truth. I will be sounds no longer i thank you to the committee i looked forward to answer your question for. Is a Business Partner of hunter biden and among others during the years 2015. The one half billion dollar division our objective was to private equity platform be anchored by globally bran together with a political name. Our goal hunter biden, devon archer and me was to make billions. The entire with his family name Vice President joe biden. In 2014 we believe the enterprise submitted had partnership with the management 300 early and dollar Chinese Financial ServiceCompany Connected to the Chinese Communist party. Hunter biden. This fellowship because Game Changing of the family. He was a member of the team. The. [inaudible] august 23 cap 2014 that reflects this understanding. And i quote. Michael, please better conversation for certain relation of mind. But that relation earlier this week. We discussed this very idea. And as always he remained very, very keen on the opportunity. A certain relation of mine had this conversation shortly after it happens. Ultimately hunter had a jump rule of thumb say it, forget it, write it, regret it. Hunter biden and devon archer what hunter took a call from his father and told him things were going well. And they might need a little help getting across the finish line. It is not the only hunter called his father may 4, 2014 put them on speaker mode to say hello to a Russian Oligarch and investor. And not all was also there. I am here with our friends i told him you were coming to town we wanted to say hello. Said hello and hope you have safe travels and ed was okay. Hunter responded by saying everything is good. Something about being helpful and said he was going to call his father later. Before this call on day one i heard him speaking of Business Matters is generally. A few days after this and email provided the committee showed it devon had confirmed was committed to a Million Dollars in banking. [inaudible] in the financial platform i engage Companies Interested but 11 million of money whose trust. Eight year. [inaudible] im sorry for committing these crimes. I deserve what i received. Nevertheless my full statement i believe it did not on the same deals for political reasons. We are involved in Decision Making and all of us had financially benefited from these schemes. And in fact biden and received 50 million to be invested in the group. All of this information hunter biden times but they are not interested. And i felt the d. O. J. December 2022. The d. O. J. Has retaliate against me for the cares act. [inaudible] on february 4, 2023 as approved on june 9, june 12 a subpoena for devon archer reversed my approval. Responding objective. This was personal. [inaudible] during this period generate 2023 he persisted in sexually harassing me many months after. Which removing from danger. Not being able to prevent the attack. The bureau of prisons on these matters leaving disclosure would have made things worse for me. Unfortunately it contained until early august when where the officers caught and became more threatening. I feared for my safety and sock to seat seek counseling on 1020, 2023. With events and asked quickly opened an investigation. The elimination to act. I was immediately escorted to a vehicle and driven by staff hours to montgomery to a separate facility. I am grateful that committee has opened an investigation into these matters and i appreciate Center Jordan and subcommittee chairman. I believe retribution i believe im putting myself at great risk for providing information on these matters concerning the president and his son. Ive been treated professionally at montgomery. I want to thank to help facilitate. [inaudible] mr. Galanis i want to thank all the witnesses again for being here today. We will now begin the question. I want to remind members on both sides of the aisle, each member has a five minutes. Im going to adhere to that and hit the gavel of the question has been asked we will allow the witnesses time to respond. But we are going to try to get in a lot of questions from a lot of members. And i will begin the questioning followed by Ranking Member raskin. Again, mr. Bobulinkski thank you for your service. Your military service i appreciate being here. During the 118 congresses one o committees and messengers involvement in his familys influence peddling schemes around the world. So, lets start with that. Mr. Bobulinkski was joe biden involved with any of your business dealings with hunter biden and james biden . Asked was he involved in his familys attempt to sell their access to him . You sent out a form to form a legitimate business with the bidens. Did you come to find out that the biden family had no interest in doing real business . What i did. Mr. Galanis are you aware of any time hunter biden using joe biden with joe bidens knowledge to benefit their Business Associates . Yes. Which Business Associates . The Russian Oligarch russian, chinese the chinese manager henry. [inaudible] and nikolai from ukrainian oligarch. That we have established joe biden was involved in his Family Business dealings productive turn to financial records we have subpoenaed. One major point democrat colleagues downplay is how much money the bidens accumulated from form business features in such a short period of time. We have over 24 million a biden family and their Business Associates from 2014, will joe biden was Vice President , to 2019. Mr. Bobulinkski there is a time or attempting to raise 10 million in the chinese to pursue an actual business deal a real deal. It would not be correct to say this was a 10 milliondollar deal, would it . What did the bidens conceive of business with the chinese becoming . The chinese were committing to deploying a billions of dollars in Infrastructure Projects here in the United States as well as around the world. Are you aware joe biden met with rob walker and devon archer to . Im generally aware of it. As you discussed earlier regarding the Russian Oligarch, you were present for Hunter Bidens then calling his Vice President father with the Russian Oligarch was present, correct . Yes he was. You also were present for Hunter Bidens conversation with his father about a board seat on a chinese board is that correct . [inaudible] so mr. Galanis isnt true joe biden said he did not interact with his familys Business Associates, that is untrue, is it . I believe. [inaudible] out to touch on the fact the absence in the middle part hunter biden has chosen not to attend todays proceedings but ive given mr. Biden exactly what he asked for. It is clear hunter biden knows his testimony would not withstand public scrutiny. Joe biden has not been truthful about schemes to sell access and influence. Todays witnesses will show the American People side of the story that the president and his allies on the site of the aisle are eager to hide. Mr. Bobulinkski can you tell us about your meeting at the Beverly Hilton with mr. Biden kuester. The short version of the long version question. Long version within a minute. [laughter] hunter biden, jim biden and joe biden were in los angeles for a variety of business discussions for joe was there to speak at the conference in may of 2017. I had lunch with hunter biden and he had asked to meet with his father that night. He set up a meeting at the Beverly Hilton where they hold the conference i got there early and sat with jim biden, hunter biden were just talk about what were doing with the chinese illegal documents i was working through. They had coached me before joe showed up say listen were going to keep things in very high level but were not going to go into a lot of details in this meeting and i remember because was odd joe was not in the white house then. They were framing it that way. Joe showed up, walked to the lobby i stood up to shake his hand we sat down spent 45 minutes within our going through my background for. You most in that long kuester. Yes, yes this was not a handshake to second is 45 minute long meeting to an hour we talked about a lot of stuff. And chair recognizes mr. Rankin for his questions. Are going to mr. Garcia to begin too. Thank you very much for the record he has provided zero evidence, zero evidence of any link hunter biden and the president is the business dense once again back to hearing any wrong doing by the president. Hugs its my time sir. Mr. Bobulinkski want to go back to the private deposition that i had to i was one of a handful of democrats and that private on the record under oath conversation we had. During that deposition i asked you a question of which you gave a false answer to know what to go back to that. I asked you specifically who got you into the president ial debate that was attended by you and others. And a huge moment in that campaign and you could not recall. You said quote i do notrecall we debate. You member who is telling me that . Whats your playing semantics to asked me as if someone call me directly and gave me a ticket. Or let me i want to reclaim my time so im going to reclaim my time. Lets asked me a question for. Im reclaiming my time thank you sir. Who got you into the president ial debate . I do not recall who got me into the debate you do not remember who got you into the debate between President Biden joe biden and donald trump. Is not a true statement. You quoted i dont recall who got me into the debate its the transcript too. You did not ask that question. I will reclaim my time im not asking question right now thank you very much sir. Here as was shown by Ranking Member raskin we know you were in the debate sitting adjacent and next to trump officials. When we were confronted again on this same question mr. Bobulinkski if you are a guest of mr. Trumps at the debate you responded and you quoted once the wall street journal called you out is the wall street journal god or something you act as if its encyclopedia of facts. He refused to confirm you are a guest of donald trump are going to ask you one more time are you a guest of donald trump at the president ial debate . Mr. Garcia those are all the questions you asked me my transcribed interview. Answer the question sir you a guest . Of donald trump at the debate. Its obvious to everyone in the world. You are asking semantics because you are guest . Answer the question at the time you said i dont recall who got into the debates are just to be clear i want to keep going. I do very clearly. Do you know who jason miller is . I do know of him. A Trump Campaign staffer . Mr. Garcia, you keep asking semantical questions. I had three lawyers around me coordinated my travel, where i was going. I will reclaim my time. Its interesting you show up to a pre debate press conference and president ial debate by the person running for the presidency of the United States yet you have no idea how you got to the press conference or remember how you got to the debate and here you are speaking at a press conference on which the National Media so how did you bet get to the press conference . I flew on a plane. Who invited you to the press conference . My lawyers told me i was invited to come to tennessee. At that point i was trying to get the truth infects out to the American People. At that moment in time if i recall eating Million People watched the debate and that was probably i reclaim my time. I think it is clear for someone who cant remember how he got to be Donald Trump Press Conference or debate, you are in on credible witness. Thank you and i yield back. The chair recognizes the chairman of the house ways and Means Committee, jason smith, for five minutes. Thank you mr. Chairman. Weve previously heard from two irs whistleblowers that joe biden was the brand being sold by family members. One such example of this could be seen in a june 6th, 2017 Whatsapp Message where hunter biden told a business associate that he was not willing to, quote, sign over my families brand, unquote. Or give them, quote, the keys to my family is only asset. Can you confirm that President Biden is the brand being sold by his family members . [inaudible] thank you. During his deposition, hunter biden repeatedly testified under oath that his father was not involved in his business in any capacity and that there wasnt even a connection between his father and businesses. Here is just one example. Quote, i stayed for the record one more time under oath and under penalty of perjury, my father has never been involved in my business. I have never asked my father to be involved in my business. My father has never benefited from my business, and ive never asked anyone or my father to do anything for the benefit of anyone ive ever done business for unquote. Yes them ways and Means Committee released a Whatsapp Message provided by the irs whistleblowers showing that hunter biden wrote on july 30th, im sitting here with my father and we would like to understand why the commitment made has not been fulfilled. Im sitting here waiting for the call with my father. Moreover, you testified that hunter was not shy about the ability to get his father on the phone. Devon archer testified that there were multiple instances in which hunter placed his dad on speakerphone. Was hunter biden telling the truth when he testified under oath that his father was never involved in any of his business dealings . No hes not, those are blatant lies. We continue to hear claims that President Biden was not involved in his family his business dealings and that he did not benefit from illicit business deals. However, irs special agent joe zigler provided documents to the ways and Means Committee 327 emails, many of which involved hunter biden and Hunter BidensBusiness Associates. Do you have any personal experience that leads you to believe that joe biden was involved with Hunter BidensBusiness Associates and business dealings . Yes, i do. You want to say a few . To outline how joe was invoked . Yes. Different congressmen and women keep trying to say that there is no evidence and use the word involved. If joe biden was not involved in his sons business dealings, why after flying all the way across the country to the conference, where there is next to davos the biggest conference in the world, why would he take 45 minutes out of his night flex it wasnt a 10 a. M. Meeting. It was 10 40 in the evening. Hes an elderly man. Flew across the country to sit with me 45 minutes to an hour to discuss my background, the business we are doing with the chinese, his family background. Speaking of the business with the chinese, in october 2020, joe biden asserted that his family hadnt earned money through business dealings in china however whistleblowers shared evidence that the biden family made at least 1. 1 million from their business with china including 100,000 in payments from cfc, china energy and a one milliondollar payment in exchange for Legal Services that were never provided to an official. Do you know whether the biden family made any money from china . They did. Millions of dollars i think approximately eight to 9 million. The biden family has made millions from china, correct . You said at least 9 million . I think it is over 10 million and i will leave the details up to you guys. The gentleman yields back and recognizes the Ranking Member. Thank you mr. Chairman for being here today. Your involvement with the real russian hoax about joe biden began in 2018 when as a big donor and supporter, Donald Trumps you were introduced to Rudy Giuliani and began working to dig up dirt on joe biden in ukraine. If you could tell us how quickly you got involved in that . Yes, i was a donor at the time. I began doing business with giuliani he got involved in the business and the minute we started spending time together until november of 2018, he approached me and asked me about my connections. After telling him about people, add to that point he wanted me to go to ukraine to find the prosecutor general. And basically he wanted to go from his fraud guaranteed to guaranteeing of fraud on the American People. But after turning over every stone and going after every rabbit hole including interviewing victor, did you ever find the smoking gun or any evidence that donald trump was looking for paste on joe biden . On the contrary, representative. Not only do we keep hitting that wall and not finding the smoking gun but we kept running it to sources of information coming out of russia. In fact joe biden was part of a Global Campaign including by the United States to oppose corruption and go after the corrupt forces in ukraine, is that right . Yes sir. At what point to dig up became spreading disinformation and flies . At some point when we hit a few brick walls, all of a sudden then i saw the shift between the group that included john solomon, the media personality and other Trump Lawyers to start trying to push narratives that we have no way to validate them basically a letter would come over from somebody in ukraine and handed it over to john solomon. He was on fox two hours later with sean hannity. At what point did he begin working directly with russian agents and russian assets, individuals who would later become sanctioned by Donald Trumps own Treasury Department for spreading propaganda disinformation against joe biden . Sometime around may or june around 2019. Were you aware that these people were basically doing the bidding of Vladimir Putin . Absolutely. He had no hesitation about spreading lies that were concocted by russian agent is . As long as it fit the narrative, absolutely not. How were you and giuliani able to take these false allegations peddled by corrupt officials and russian agents and promote and amplify them here in the United States in our political system . Were in the media groups skeptical of your claims . Most i would say except for fox and a few other rightwing media groups didnt want to take any of the information, and that aggravated Rudy Giuliani and john solomon and other players. The main group that was being pushed through was sean hannity and some other media personalities. But there were other people doing the bidding like senator ron johnson, Pete Sessions with me from the very beginning of this journey. Is putins war on ukraine today which has cost hundreds of thousands of peoples lives, is that part of the hoax . Absolutely not. Is it real . Absolutely. I want to ask a personal question if i might because if i might, living through this extraordinary period of history, i tried to ask people like Michael Cohen and hutchison, i wondered about people like general millie, general kelly why did you break with all of the corruption and lies of donald trump . How did you get out of that culture . It was very difficult. I had to get arrested to get out of it because when you are in that cold, your around them and have blinders on and see a certain amount, able to hear the certain amount of information and you are not allowed to go out of the circle and if you go outside of the circle then you are not in the circle, so eventually you brainwash yourself to believe certain things that are not true to understand what was going on i started realizing going back to moments in time where i started thinking to myself this cant be true and we are doing something wrong. Thank you for helping america to end this nightmare. The chair recognizes the chairman of the House Judiciary Committee jim jordan. The Ranking Member just said that joe biden was opposed to corruption. So opposed he leveraged a billion dollars of american tax money to fire the prosecutor in ukraine who was investigating the company hunter biden sat on the border. The prosecutor that replaced and represented in his Opening Statement, guess what he did . He took him off the wanted list and dropped the charges. Hes really opposed to corruption. Who is the big guy . Are you sure about that . Im a thousand sure because when he did his deposition he said i dont know who did it, even though he was copied on an email that said they will hold 10 for the big guy. Theres other Text Messages that back that up that have been produced. They took them from subpoenas directly from the icloud that back up the fact that hunter knew. The brand, the one who showed up who took phone calls and meetings and lunges and with his Business Associates. You referenced in your Opening Statement may 4th, 2014 you were at a party at a restaurant in new york. Can you tell me who else was there . There were more than a hundred people there [inaudible] i think you referenced a phone call that took place. Tell the committee what happened with that phone call, who was involved with of the phone call . There was myself, hunter and initiating it and he called his father the president is that accurate . Tell me what was discussed on the call. [inaudible] talked about being good to his boy did you get the impression joe biden was expecting the call . It was an arranged call. This was coordinated. He calls his father then Vice President and i think in your deposition you think he said this, im here with our friends that i told you were coming to town. So its our friends and i told you this was going to happen would suggest that it was most definitely coordinated. A russian billionaire [inaudible] shes the wealthiest woman in russia and had already given money to hunter biden and his business before this a business meeting in may and subsequent to that committed to getting more money, is that accurate . So subsequent to the coordinated call, the arranged call with the Vice President of the United States, the wealthiest commits to give millions of dollars more to Hunter Bidens business, is that accurate . That is accurate, yes. And this was a pull aside at this meeting and you know that it was coordinated. Is this what they call access to the brand, access to the biden lift is that what you would describe it as . Units followed the motto. It follows the statement that you all agreed to say it, forget it, write it, regret it. This was a phone call on a speaker theres no writing about this. It was all done that way. That is how the business operated. Is that correct . Yes. I yield back. The chair recognizes i want to make an observation ive been on the Committee Investigating committee for over 20 years and as an attorney before that, i had sufficient training and experience to say that with high confidence that when you review the entire record of evidence of the hearings going back over the year, youve actually provided more evidence to impeach donald trump for the third time van so much as laying a glove on President Biden. We keep hearing about the biden family. When you hear someone say the biden family, that translates into we had no evidence so we are going to use the biden family to try to implicate President Biden. The shifting arguments here youve done nothing more than exonerate President Biden. We heard initially for months about the hunter biden laptop, and you know there were absolutely some embarrassing photos on that and some awful information about Hunter Bidens personal life, i will admit that. Then you bring in your own witnesses and legal experts before the committee and have them testify. What they said is amazing. Theres no evidence to even suggest that there was support for articles of impeachment against the president. That was your legal experts, the republican legal experts that said that. Then we have statements by mr. Jordan saying that mr. Smirnov was the most corroborating witnessed that the republicans hand, the strongest witness they have and of course after that, we find out through the trump appointed prosecutor that all of the information provided was fabricated, false and submitted by the inducement of russian agent is going after President Biden and trying to undermine our democratic system. Now we come to a point where since that witness blew up, now we are going to prison, and we are reaching out to witnesses who have been convicted and sentenced to prison for stealing 80 million from the pensions of innocent workers. We cant get any lower at this point. Thats the star witness. I want to remind people hes sitting in prison. Thats why he cant be here today. Hes sitting in prison for scamming workers pensions. I mean, how low can you get, then its the republicans idea that this is the best guy they can get to testify. This is the best they can get. You talked about your own direct involvement and said your mission was to dig up dirt on President Biden. Can you talk to us about the coordination between yourself and mr. Giuliani . Thank you for being here. Thank you, congressman. I was his right hand and basically the point person to not only dig up and validate and search whatever needs to be done to try to some corruption against joe or hunter biden to be able to present. Once i would receive whatever information i received i would then meet with him, john solomon and other members of the team to discuss what we found. Add to that point, he would then go to the white house and to share with the president and that was the line of communication. You said also in your testimony that members of the committee and the Republican Leadership should have known before smirnov was invited that this information was fabricated. Can you talk about that . Not that they should have known but they would have known what was going on. It was anywhere from left and right field and being pushed straight to the halls without. My time is expired. Before i recognize mr. Palmer, id like to enter into the record the testimony with the committee on february 13, 2024. It corrects the record of representative garcia who did not provide your entire testimony. The understanding of who invited you, without objection i would like to enter into the record the entire transcribed interview of tony. I would like to enter for the record texts reveal more ties per key witness. Daily beast. Without objection. The chair recognizes mitch palmer for five minutes. I have very limited time and i want to get through a lot of information so please answer these questions with a yes or no if you dont mind. Youve met joe biden, is that correct . Correct. In fact you had a meeting is in that correct . One of those times was before the conference in los angeles in may of 2017 is that correct . You provided a great deal of documentations to the committee. I want to show you some messages between you and hunter biden on the screen here in may of 2017 before you first had a meeting with joe biden. These are messages between you and hunter biden do you recognize these . I do. At the bottom he wrote not in now until 11. Lets me and then meet at ten at the Beverly Hilton where hes staying. This is President Bidens brother, correct . Correct. The next set of messages if you put them on the screen is another business associate of Hunter Bidens and you, his name is james. Do you recognize it . I do. He writes about to meet hunter, jim and joe at the Beverly Hilton hotel. Joe is now president , joe biden . Correct. This chat between jim biden, joe bidens brother, you write great to meet you and spend some time together. Please thank joe over the time it was great to talk. You met with joe biden, hunter biden and jim biden the night before in 2017 is that correct . I did and he perjured himself by trying to deny that. That was at the Beverly Hilton, correct . Correct. You can provide more details around that meaning what was the purpose of the meeting. I didnt ask for the meeting so i wish hunter biden was sitting next to me and could under oath describe it but the only reason why i was meeting with joe biden, and of the only reason i was there is because i was the ceo of the enterprise that they were putting together with the Chinese Company cfc. Can you give me a little more detail of what was discussed in the meeting . Before joe biden showed up, hunter and jim biden coached me and asked to sort of outline we wouldnt go into a lot of details so through the 45 to 60 minute meeting i had with joe biden about 10 40 p. M. After he flew across the country we talked about my background, the families military background and different Business Ventures, the family i worked with, joe spent time talking about his family, some of the tragedies they lived through and at a high level, hunter actually introduced me to joe because before he came and sat down with us, he said give me five to ten minutes i need to read my father in on it. When you are referencing joe and hunters father you are referencing joe biden . I am. Of these images, the message you sent you spend more time with joe and jim this morning. Its correct its President Joe Biden also saw them last night including hunter. These images show a pretty clear record in may of 2017. Hunter biden during his transcribed interview testified the meeting did take place and during the trip he stated he met with him in the lobby of the hotel and when asked who attended he replied my self but when asked whether the meeting at the Beverly Hilton between joe biden, jim biden, hunter biden, jim testified absolutely not. The stories dont match up. Mr. Chairman, jim biden also told the committee that they didnt meet the Chinese Businessmen. Mr. Chairman, it appears to me that there are material inconsistencies between the testimony. The witnesses statement appeared to me to be irreconcilable. Someone appears to be lying to the committee. The testimony seems to come from jim biden the president s brother. Lying in congress is a serious offense. If anyone else has come before the committee and glided to the committee i strongly encourage the committee to pursue criminal referrals in the department of justice and one last thing i want to ask, have either of you heard for anyone involved or associated with were a partner to the Family Enterprise corruption investigation . Im sorry. Anyone being suggested that a pardon might be in order for anyone associated . Ive not. Thank you. I yield back. A parliamentary inquiry. We have heard for months now the photo with the cracked screen, did the committee have in its possession the data for the phone for which hes allegedly taken these pictures . I think we need the data they keep referring to. We have the images that we have shared with you. I saw the picture but do we have the underlying text referred to by my friend mr. Palmer . He previously said he would be happy to turn over his phone. We have pictures of all the text message screenshots we provided with everyone on the committee. He is given obviously once hes selected i wonder whether we could get all of the texts and i would move the committee to subpoena the phone on which messages with hunter biden and the partners were saved. He stated that hes ready to provide so it should be rather simple. Theres a motion to subpoena. With of the text referenced. The chair recognizes mr. Jordan. There is a motion to table. The motion to table is not debatable. Tabling may signify by saying i. Although supposed signify. In the opinion of the chair, the motion of the table what we are doing is tabling evidence you keep relying on so im going to ask for the recorded vote. A recorded vote is ordered. We will suspend for a moment. We dont have the clerk. Will somebody go find the clerk . Did he say under oath . Mr. Speaker . Mr. Minority leader, do you think it is possible the witness would voluntarily just give it . I understood that he volunteered when he was asked about this to simplify things if you would turn it over with a blackberry. He did very clearly say that hes happy to turn over the blackberry to the committee. We asked britt of the deposition and asked the majority you are out of order. In suspension waiting for the clerk to come so we can take the vote that your side of the aisle requested. Mr. Ranking member . I want to underscore the importance and sorry the gentlelady is out of order. You can talk with him back here if you want. Mr. Chairman, mr. Chairman . We dont even have [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] mr. Chairman, an invitation to regular order we have democratic groups that are faithful to the rule of law and if you are waiting for a clerk we will be here to watch and document the work. If you want to conduct with the democratic clerks, we can do it. A recorded vote is ordered. The clerk will call the role. [roll call] [roll call] [roll call] [roll call] [roll call] i vote yes. Mr. Charan votes yes. Ms. Is not recorded. How is mr. Turner recorded . Mr. Turner is not recorded. Mr. Turner votes aye. Mr. Frost is not recorded. Mr. Frost votes no. How is mr. Fallon recorded . Mr. Fallon is not recorded. Mr. Fallon votes aye. How is ms. Porter recorded . Not recorded. No, ms. Porter votes no. Will the clerk tally the report . Mr. Chairman, on this vote, thus aye or 21 and the nays are 16. In your deposition you were asked about taking a picture of your phone and you said, and i quote, i still have that phone. I could put it on the table right here and every person in the room could look at that individual text and validate that its a legitimate text and the date and time stamp on it. Are you willing to provide the committee voluntarily with the blackberry referenced and the phone . Im willing to sit in the room with both the chairman and the Ranking Member with my phone and other staff and we can go through each and every text message. As i said in my interview i had a forensics expert love into my blackberry someone whos done extensive work for over ten years with an interest of pulling all the data off the phone so i can provided to the committee. Unfortunately, they were using software that the fbi uses and they were unable to pull the data off the phone, so im more than willing to sit in the room with the chairman and the Ranking Member and other staff with the blackberry fully charged and we can go through each and every message. Thats some progress and i understand that but you understand im sure by the committee wants to look at the evidence on its own. This is my time. You could understand why we would want to look at evidence while we can make our own determination. But thank you for your willingness to cooperate at that level. You observed back in 2023 and a letter you sent to the chairman that there were examples of giuliani interfering in ukrainian politics. Why would a giuliani the interfering in another countries politics . Humor to do whatever he needed for the purpose of getting the information he wanted to secure donald trump for the 2020 election, so a prime example of one of the things he did he had a close relationship with vladimir who was then the mayor in ukraine when the new president came over there was rumors about staying in office in ukraine. They met with Rudy Giuliani and then on a meeting that we had in spain that was relevant and had to do with announcing an investigation into joann hunter biden at that meeting he also brought up the situation that basically told that President Trump and of the American People would be very upset because we love him and he needs to be in their. So was he just doing this on his own because he was a patriotic american who loved donald trump or how to somebody encouraged him to engage in this interference in another country . I think he was encouraged by donald trump. Personally . Thats your testimony . Thank you. In your letter you also said that mr. Giuliani was, quote, to deliver a precise message in very strict words. With respect to the administration, what did you understand a very strict message or very strict words construed and what was that message that you delivered thought was in very strict words . Yes, congressman. He told me not to be nice, to be very stern and we had a message that unless he had an investigation into the bidens, this was on sunday, there would be no cooperation or aid and the Vice President that was scheduled to appear for the inauguration would not appear to the inauguration. That would seem to corroborate that very famous and beautiful telephone conversation between President Trump and zelenskyy basically saying that i need a favor and hinting the withholding of military aid until the favor was delivered. Is that fair . Absolutely. I was part of setting up that phone call. Your testimony is important and under oath. Thank you and i yield back. Ms. Taylor green from georgia for five minutes about his role in his families businesses. In 2020 he stood up on stage of a president ial debate and told the American People that his family didnt take any money from china. That was a lie. Not only was it a lie, he knew it was a lie. He knew it because he met with his friend hunter biden chinese Business Associates. I want to talk about cfc which is the China Energy Fund committee. Who is chairman he . The chairman. Gym biden told the fbi and irs that he was the protege of the leader of china and the Chinese Communist party. Rob walker told the committee joe biden met the chairman. Are you aware of that yes or no . I am now. I wasnt at the time. Joe biden also met with you is that right . Yes, twice. Who was the director . The number two at cfc. The executive director . The number two executive, but the point person i worked with and the biden family worked with and the individual hunter biden was shaking down at the end of july, 2017 demanding that they fund the 10 million directly to Hunter Bidens account. Thank you. I want to show you a text message that hunter biden sent to you and his other Business Associates. Im holding it right here. I have an idea in light of the fact we are at an impasse of sorts and most employer and my chairman gave an emphatic no i think we should all meet in romania. He is speaking about my chairman. When hunter biden came in for his deposition, he said he was referring to the chairman and that the rest of the group referred to him as a different chairman. Does this make any sense to you . That is a lie. I never heard in your reference and i directed communications with the director over we chat, met him in romania, met him in moscow, around the world trying to develop this business and he was never referred to as the chairman. First of all. The second of all, that makes absolutely no sense in the context of the message because we are discussing the holdings. So he wasnt the chairman, just to clarify. I want to show you another text when he said his chairman, this is from wall rob walker. He said this to you when hunter was talking about his chairman, he was talking about his dad. When rob walker came into give the transcribed interview to the committee, he basically said while hunter was high or confused or mad, and he said he was just trying to calm things down between you and hunter but that doesnt answer the question about who hes talking about. Hunter biden lied to the committee. So, here clearly he says hes talking about his dad. I want to be clear we have established that hes not the chairman obviously, is that correct . Correct. Let me show you another message. This message doesnt call him the chairman, does it . It says the chinese want to do business with of the bidens as a matter of fact both coming to be my partner, to be partners with the bidens, he has implied the number one has made it clear and available. Who is the number one . The number one, the president of china, yes or no. The leader of the communist party, the ccp, is the number one . That is the number one hunter was referencing in that message. Lets be very clear this was in 2017, but i would like to make it known for the committee joe biden told the press in 2016 as a matter of fact, i quote, yes, i am, im going to run in 2020. He was running for president of the United States in 2020. So here is the bidens doing business in china when Everybody Knows he was planning to be president of the United States. Do you see that to be a serious problem . I wish the committee would thoroughly investigate it and talk about the evidence that they have on cfc. They have fisa warrants so they were including and i wish they would disclose that to the committee. Thank you. I yield. The chair recognizes mr. Krishnamurthy. Rudy giuliani tasked you with a mission to travel the globe to find dirt to damage the bidens reputation and the 2018 and 2019 timeframe. This was on the effort to secure trumps reelection. Evidence of wrongdoing or criminality . In your travels you found precisely zero proof of the criminality, right . Is it true youve looked for dirt around the world in the same way joe biden in particular all failed the evidence of criminal wrongdoing . Not only that but the former ukrainian president stated theres not a single word of truth to the allegations about joe biden, right . Yes. Now there is a guy thats the former prosecutor general of ukraine and he also confirmed that nothing ties the bidens to criminal activity in ukraine, right . Correct. And theres another prosecutor general who also said he had no evidence that either joe or hunter biden interfered with ukrainian law and the reason you know this is because you talked to each of these people. And your job was to try to dig up dirt and manufacture but weve conducted months of hearings and because theres no evidence of wrongdoing, you called this whole inquiry a wild goose chase. Interestingly, weve heard from the other side of that the real quid pro quo wasnt donald trump. It was joe biden when he tried to hold up foreign aid when he was Vice President in exchange for firing the prosecutor in ukraine that was investigated and the corruption from his son. Now again you looked for evidence to support this claim. There is no evidence, correct . Firing the prosecutor would make it more likely that they would go after the company in question, not less, right . The reason why the majority and ukraine and at the Obama Administration wanted to get rid of him is because he was corrupt, not because he was investigating but he was stalling investigation looking into a 23 million they wanted to get out from and they stalled that investigation. The logic is just the opposite of what the majority claims to be the case. Namely that they say that somehow joe biden was held to fire the prosecutor to reduce the chances of a prosecution. But actually in firing the prosecutor, he increased the chances of prosecuting, right . So let me talk about what some of the other witnesses in this inquiry have said. The constitutional expert, the republicans brought forth said theres no evidence of which he was aware to support impeaching the president. You agree with that . 100 . A colleague of ours said last week have i seen anything that is impeachable, no i havent. Do you agree with that statement as well . Our republican colleague who is about to retire said that evidence of wrongdoing by President Biden, quote, doesnt exist right now. It doesnt exist now and it didnt then. Thats true. How many times have you met donald trump . Well over ten times. Id have to count, but lots of times. Is there anything you would like to relate about the conversations with donald trump that would bear on the conduct of these proceedings . Donald trump was aware of everything going on that day in the red room when we were white house, after rudy bringing donald trump up to speed and then trump approached me, said thank you for all youre doing, keep up the good work, patted me on the back, took pictures and i was off to bring him back here to meet with lindsay graham. Thank you so much. I yield back. Mr. Cloud from texas for five minutes. Thank you, chairman. We have heard time after time he had no knowledge whatsoever about the business dealings and the change. He never allegedly had any conversation with hunter and they moved the ball to say he didnt have any business dealings. He wasnt involved in the financial contributions since then weve uncovered about 20 Show Companies and have bank records that bring light to that and while we cant cover all 20 in five minutes, i want to focus on one and that is rosemont. Rosemont it is interesting, devon archer testified and said in his testimony he said that this was used as a common entity on the handshake deal between devon and hunter splitting the chairs. That was your word. Do you stand by those words . And devon archer, he said hunter was a corporate secretary and had a handshake to get the ownership deal is that correct . Correct, yes. Primarily the company was set up to initially place to hold equity on the harvest is that correct . It included money paid from the 50 million. If this were illegally and id theres no propriety, its concerning because it is set up to compete against Americas Energy interest at the behest of the ccp. Then we had others from and we know about the salary providing no actual function. We had 1 million going through rosemont to hunter biden and meeting. Theres the 300 at the end of the 142,000 that goes into this and then the next day went to a porsche dealership for a car for hunter biden. Whats interesting about all of this of course is that each of these not only fluid money through the companies to hunter biden but each of them also involved important meetings with of course President Biden. So we had coffee with jonathan who was one of the members who started the harvest and was connected with the ccp. They were having trouble getting licensed to work because of course they had to give permission to that. Until hunter flew over with his own air force with Vice President joe biden at the time. They met with jonathan lee, hunter introduced them. Joe ended up writing a letter of recommendation to Jonathan Lees daughter to get into college, and then we see that this relationship continues. Of course in ukraine, we know that april 16, 2015, joe biden had dinner with the officials at cafe milano, seemed to be a popular spot because joe biden also had dinner. All inflow to going here. And of course as pointed out several times, this all comes down to eventually the one big guy who gets 10 to the big guy. We know this goes through to get to hunter and 10 went to the big guy. Congressman outlined the big guy is clearly joe biden. The details of some of those transaction is not involved in. That is excluding how they operated. Quickset is the pay answered. And mr. Galanis use of the begetting hunter did not provide any propriety asset value or anything of the sort. His entire value was the brand, is that correct . How did you state that . We did rely on him for any product other than delivering the biden. Of a question for you mr. Galanis. Did you offer to provide information on hunter biden and devon archer back in 2006 into prosecutors and the sec and what happened there . Yes. Specifically on that. And also the same thing to the exchange commission. Were told to quash that interest. I understood that to be in order to determine i yield back. The chairmans time has expired. Recognize mr. Goldman for five minutes. Thank you, mr. Chairman. I only have five minutes mr. Bobulinkski im going to try to move quickly i would appreciate if you answer the question. You testified joe biden was involved in your Business Venture and hunter biden. I want to drill down on the crux of what your testimony is. The suit Business Venture you are referring to correct . Im referring to what . Any business you do with the bidens. Might reference are the holdings llc owned 50 of that. Rachel. A knight holding was a 50 that was on the american side of that deal, right . 50 the biden side of it. Hes not an american. Click sorry fair enough. It was a joint partnership memorialized incorporating document, correct and equal shares divided among five partners is that right . Eight asking that what you are holding up . Where there equal 20 shares among five partners . In a what . In the final sign a document is that what youre asking . Yes very. It is not complicated. You are filibustering now. You are filibustering, i get it. There were five partners, hunter biden, jim biden, rob walker, james gilley art and you. Each own 20 . They did not each of the llc owned it. Theres a material difference because you see joe biden llc related to joe biden on this . I dont know if joe biden owned jim biden llc or hunter biden llc i will leave that up to the committee. Do you know when this agreement was entered into . The posterboard legal document that was signed . Whats the agreement sir. The agreement was signed may 22, 2017. Who is the Vice President then . May 22 you said . I think it was mike pence. Was the president . Donald trump a. When did you first meet hunter biden . It first met hunter biden early 2017. When . One and 2017 . The day or month . The month is good too. I believe i briefly met him in new york. The first meeting i had had exte time with him was early may 2017 brickwork cells from the same time you have the two meetings with the joe biden, right . Whats prior to that. You have said insert comments or can i please reclaim my time sir as i said we have to move quickly here. Unfortunately in your testimony earlier today what if my one ofy colleagues asked you about that meeting at the bar at 45 minutes, 60 minutes you were also asked about that in your transcribed interview. And neither of your answers did you mention any discussion that you had at that meeting with joe biden about the Chinese Business venture. Yet in grandiose terms here today you have declared joe biden was involved. And you have the mountains of irrefutable evidence to support it. So lets look at the mountains of irrefutable evidence. You provide the committee with a screenshot of a text message that is between james gilley art and you dated may 11, 2017. I dont know if you can see this. It is just you and james, right . You remember this text message i am sure products generally yes. In it he writes you are right. Lets get the company set up till families the high stakes and get joe involved. Two days later he sent an email and hunter biden in which she suggested a division of the company and included a proposal 10 held by h for the big guy . You remember that, right . The infamous email with the big guy, yes, i do. It in them and respond to that email . Yes they did numerous times. Youre right. Did respond to it. Youre going to filibustering to replay my time its running out. I will say no and responded to the big guy reference checks thank you for making my point they did not have to respond. They all they do the big guys joe biden peroxide reclaim my time please controlled the witness. I would like to get a little extra time mr. Chairman i want to read what mr. Said to the wall street journal. Id like to clear up any speculation for former Vice President was involved with the 2017 discussions about our potential business structure. Im unaware of any involvement at any time of the former Vice President for the activity in question never delivered project revenue you should print what joe biden involved that is why hunter biden. [inaudible] i the chairmans time is expired. Recognize mr. Higgins thank you for being here today we appreciate the candor of your response which is reflective of the way you handle yourself in private testimony and deposition thank you for speaking truthful to the American People today. I am going to ask about the China Energy Fund committee. Are you familiar with that, sir . Site m. Is assigned multibillion Dollar Company like a fortune 500 company at one time . What is even bigger than that. If you go back and look at its financials in 2016 and 17 as one of the five Largest Private Companies in china. Exactly. So this was a major, a major operation. A lot of money and apparently im going to hold up a memo here. This is a chart from the sink and second bank memo. It shows the disbursement of almost 24 million for diamonds. You have a major Chinese Company a lot of company on diamonds and apparently diamonds were used as a means of payment for the biden family. We know the bidens admitted having to diamonds. We suspect there are many, many more 23 million worth of diamonds. Are you familiar with the exchange of valuable assets to pay the bidens other than electronic transfers of money . Are you aware of payments in diamonds . Payments in cash . Payments in board memberships et cetera . In my generally aware of it . I read it jim biden and Hunter Bidens transcript multiple times. Jim biden and the transcript references to biden or to diamonds given to hunter biden. When he implies was in 2015 by an individual who he could not recall his name at the individuals name is scott o who is a surrogate for cfc and apparently a second diamond at a meeting in miami. I really want to set the clock record clear i was not at that physical meeting. I was in miami but i was not at that physical meeting breed that is what i told the fbi in my interview projects are you aware mr. Bobulinkski a pattern of a bribery of a bribe payments coming from the China Energy Fund committee . I appreciate that question wish everyone on this committee would read the 1200 pages of testimony. An eight day trial on the actual trial trial was going on that accused numerous executives of corruption, bribing,. Exactly brickwork soup political figures of africa. So exactly. So mr. Bobulinkski for your perch within the biden family operations and their interactions with the major businesses in china they exchange millions of dollars are tracked through bank records, through suspicious activity reports a. Two females, to communications this committee has documented. There is no debate. Millions and millions of dollars flow into the biden family bank accounts. The existence of other forms of payment is fascinating. Because diamonds are untraceable. We do not know how many diamonds the bidens received. We dont have for some it is been china 10 plus time, hong kong. Hundreds of people working one point i never got a dime. I got never got a dime. I shift quickly at gentleman named james. Its only when you are face to face as a response saying they should be paranoid about things. And then there is a response saying for real. So, what is mentioned by dont mention joe being involved for prettily when youre facetoface. I know that they are paranoid pick brexit up of the bidens operate not specifically the cfc you have galanis testifying and numerous other witnesses im getting a tremendous amount of evidence that outline these for the create layers of obstruction thats the reason Robert Walker was getting sent and millions of dollars instead of hunter biden. Those hunter directly. In plausible deniability. Race mr. Norton from d. C. For five minutes. Thank you for peering appearingvoluntarily for this hg from alabama. I understand you are currently serving 189 month sentence in federal prison almost 16 years after being convicted of not one but two. One, not two, but three different schemes. Victims of your schemes as the judge who presided of your criminal prosecution included in here i quote one of the poorest native american in the country. As well as Pension Funds held for transit workers, longshoremen, housing authority, workers and the city employees. Hard working people every day people among others. The court also noted you personally benefited from these schemes and again i quote using over 8 million. Almost 9 million for lavish personal expenditures jewelry, expenses, sign your own encounter with prosecutors. Exchange Commission Charge you in 2005 with accounting fraud in connection with your investments, your involvement rather with the penthouse magazine. And in 2010 you were convicted of attempted tax evasion were sentenced to five years probation in order to pay nearly 10 million in restitution. And noted you are and i quote an extremely extremely talented man. Extremely gifted in his interpersonal skills uncommonly so. He is very persuasive. Those were the tools in his tool bag. And the people he ensnared his intelligence comes interpersonal skills, his charm if you will. This comment referred to as con artists. Another judge who presided of your case referred to you as your republican colleagues are relying on to carry their water in this sham impeachment inquiry. After the last star witness the infamous fbi form 1023. This time he put an end thank you very much for more than a year now leave here innuendo, propaganda, no facts, no evidence but several expert witnesses who came together their witnesses agreed with that. Nothing remotely approached the level of proof needed to support a finding of high crimes and misdemeanors. We come back again today the majority is to witnesses. The designated conman to charm d by two different courts. Someone who deploys talent exploiting native American Indian tribes and then mr. Bobulinkski a lot of rhetoric and hot air but no facts of high crimes and misdemeanors impeachable offenses against the republic. The kinds of offenses james mattis said are great attacks on the republican celt great affronts to our republican form of government. And nobody on the other side can even tell us what is the impeachable high crime and higd misdemeanors which suggests they are moving in the direction of criminal referrals and start by looking at their own witnesses arch get back to you. I like to remind the witness was partners with hunter biden. That is why he is here. We have their partners they could have invited partners but you invited this guy per. Donald trumps partner. Mr. Parnas per. A chair recognizes per. In a variety things like to go through. But first mr. Lynch compare complaint about testifying from prison so i would like to ask unanimous consent to enter into the Record Department of justice own press release announcing the sentencing of democrats that led parnas to prison. The objection. Thank you. Now mr. Chairman we had originally hoped wed see if you want witnesses here today. They are not here. Id like to run a brief dictate because i showed up today hoping ill be asking these witnesses a little bit more about this tape. I know there is some mystery or some people feel it is still ambiguous as to how this prosecutor was fired in ukraine and at this tape goes a little bit more to shed light on why the prosecutor was fired and why we want hunter biden and mr. Archer . Got ukraine. I remember going over convincing our team that we should be providing out of the 12th or 13th time and i was supposed to announce theres not a billiondollar loan guarantee. Id gotten the commitment that they would take action against a the state prosecutor and they didnt. They said were not going to give the billion dollars. The president said i said. Im telling you youre not getting a billion dollars. The prosecutors not fired and he got fired. And put in place someone. I just wanted to put that up there. I do eventually want further efforts made to get hunter biden mr. Archer we have joe biden himself bragging they got rid of a prosecutor who would have provided his sons business dealings. With more observation. Ill put it that way. Now mr. Bobulinkski and previous interviews with this committee you said joe biden not only knew about the Family Business dealings but enabled them and participated with them. You went so far as to say its clear to me joe biden was the brand sold by the biden family. Could you elaborate why he felt that way . Corrected. Thats where the challenging things ive had to deal with over the last four years with the focus of simply telling the truth. Around these facts are just beyond insane. Ill use a meeting at the Four Seasons Hotel in washington d. C. I was not at but apparently eight 10 chinese executives were at with the chairman and director. Interacted with extensively. And james was in that room. Rob walker, hunter biden my understanding based on rob walkers testimony is joe biden walked into that room. Sat down, shook hands of people spent five or 10 minutes talking about his family i guess. I was not in the room. Like joe biden was walking in there to ask about the weather. Robert walker said the chinese did not even know joe biden was a former Vice President of the United States which is beyond absurd. The power at those 10 chinese individuals had to go back to Mainland China and say they were in a room with joe biden is the value of what they were giving. To give plausible deniability. I would just point to all the different Text Messages and communications they call him the big guy. I was not involved or mr. Archer theyre giving numerous data points they did not use his name you werent supposed to talk about it. You personally met with the Vice President. I did twice. Did he say anything you wanted him to help us on that sort of thing . He thanked me for helping a son and his brother and asked me too keep an eye on them as i walked him out to his car after he gave his speech on the second meeting. I just went to follow up this may be a big question but id like to know but one of the things that disturbs me about that is the interaction with the chinese or thats were dealing with today that obviously other countries as well. That apparently in their own mind the way you deal with the United States is the way you deal with a corrupt city council or something. You give them money and you get what you want too. Do you want to comment on that or hear the stories about that . Do you hear stories they were surprised at easy it was to buy the u. S. Government . Answer the question please feel free to answer the question. There is tremendous evidence believe they are bribing the biden family and they were doing at the hunter biden. Those kind of shameful thank you. Very good. The chair recognizes for five minutes. Think it mr. Chairman. Can you tell me about your meetings why you believe the Trump Campaign uses services . Yes. I was sent to meet with demetri because he had a resources he is in oligarch in vienna waiting to be extradited to the United States he was very close with a Vladimir Putin lots of characters not part of the world. My objective was to have him help us lean on them and get dirt on the bidens per. What type of dirt were you trying to get . Was searching for hunters hard drive we were told was out there. We were searching for bank records to validate certain bank records that were given to meete hunters personal bank records. I was given to me he said he got from the fbi. To validate certain payments going for car purchases. That objective was to try to find a link from any of the payments that were going to joe bidens accounts for. Who told you to get this dirt . Cooks who told me, Rudy Giuliani perfects anyone else that she remember . Jon i meet everybody this part of the team for. To bill barton know you were involved in getting this dirt . Absolutely. Bill barr was notified of our investigation for the day took office but. Did you have a conversation with a built bar being lenient towards demetri in his role as attorney general . They personally did not i was a witness to victoria and joe having a conversation with bill barr. What did they say . Basically they were telling him the chargers were false and he is to drop the charges and end the case for. Where they tell him to drop the charges on the Russian Oligarch . Because demetris going to help us getting dirt on the bidens or whatever else the Trump Campaign needed for. My understanding issue of the Trump Campaign telling you to talk to Russian Oligarch to get dirt for political reasons. Someone from the Trump Campaign was talking to drop the charges. Because the foreign nationals helping to get dirt on the potable candidate. In the indicate willingness they came back and what you know if if bill barr told her to say that . Any evidence of bill barr would have indicated to signal to demetri the charges to be dropped . Only from conversations or Rudy Giuliani. What did they say about what bill barr said . Works he basically told me this to be taken care of as long as they played ball thats the message they relayed to me. They said bill barr was conveying that to them directly . Yes after meetings there are several meetings there is a private meeting bumped into bill barr at the Trump International hotel he is that is a moment to take him aside and speak to them. There are certain official meetings through official channels where victoria met with them. So it yes. You know if anything was done with the charges . To this day demetris not here. Do you believe bill barr should be investigated for his conduct and potentially dropping these charges . Like absolute believe that. Not only that i believe bill barr should investigate into the cover up and trying to silence me too get the truth out of what really happened in ukraine for. Explain the cover up what you believe should be investigated with you last minute . My arrest was set up strictly to shut me up to seal my documents, take away my information and turn me into a crazy man that i have no way to prove whats going on. But the real story was bill barth was trying to save donald trump from impeachment and use me as a scapegoat. When he did not realize his is hisdonald trump was not going to stop and continue doing what he want to do. Thats why blew up and bill barrs face. He hired special counsel at the time to look into ukraine but we tried to reach out my attorney to, special counsel brady he never returned her phone calls. Nobody wanted to hear anything i had to say that had to do with ukraine. Legitimate yield quester. Thank you. I just want to say we do not hear bombast rhetoric but you are telling a true story you conducted yourself with great purpose and great dignity. I know your son is here with you today happy and the rest of your family are proud of what youre doing for america youll backbite. Thank you. Gerrit recognizes ms. Odonnells in florida for five minutes per. Thank you chairman. It is been an interesting hearing so far us get to the actual paper trail of money flow from cfc into the bank account for President Joe Biden. I want to start they texted minutes is july 31 between hunter biden and one mr. Is our part really quick who is mr. Tsao . Congressman id like to spend 20 seconds. If you noticed congressman straight out of your very quickly. I am actually disgusted as i sit here he did not address me based on the fact im sitting here in front of the world trying to testify to the truth. October 2020 of messages on them and their produce on the democrats and the republicans sent to me saying you have always demonstrated to me you are nothing but it on us with the highest integrity individual i was begging for him to go on cnn and tell the world october 2020. I have extensive emails with congressman in 2021 and 2022 where i begged him and his staff to sit down with me and look at my blackberry phones the democrats are so focused on to higher forensics experts and go through all of the factual information that i had. The fact he did not address me and it scurried out of here is disgusting to me. Alright mr. Donald ill answer your question now. Were going have to come off that now or three minutes 30 seconds. Mr. Chairman for the record i went to submit into the record text message one july 31 between hunter biden and mr. Zahl which stipulates hunter biden was to be able to move on from get the contract resolved get the deal resolved and says see it is willing to cooperate with the family on august 31 there was another exchange. This time august 3 excuse me between hunter biden in this message the stipulations of the arrangement between the biden family and cfc for the record mr. Chairman for. Without objections or to pay. The money flow this is where the rubber meets the road. On august 3 they stipulate through whats app Text Messages the stipulations of the deal on august 4 100,000 as a wired into a pc seat efc infrastructure mr. [cheering] to submit for the record a portion of the Bank Statement for the time. August 3 of stipulating a wonder to thousand dollars going from cfc into the bank account of hunter biden. s objections ordered. On august 8, 4 days later 5 million is transferred from Northern International capitol account 5 million to hudson west the third point hudson was the third is a bank account controlled by hunter biden and kevin who is the cfc associate. That money comes in the Northern International capitol a bank account a bank account tied to the cc pete mr. Chairman adjustment for the record the Bank Statement demonstrating that transfer. Objections ordered for. Okay moving on. On august 8 the same time. There is a Wire Transfer form the thousand dollars to pc from the hudson west the third bank account. That form the thousand dollars mr. Chairman i of the transfer records and the bank account from the august time. I would just admit that for the record. Without objections so ordered. This is where the fun stuff comes innovative got a minute to get going get it done. On august 14 there is one or 50000 that is transferred which is controlled by hunter biden to lyon hall group is controlled by james biden. I have the records are mr. Chairman won a 50000 that has gone i want to submit that for the record. Without objections or to pick cotton august 28 that we have a screenshot for everyone in the room. On august 28 we have the withdrawal tickets from Lion Hall Group that is signed by biden hit was the wife of jim biden for 50000 to withdrawal from the group. I went to submit the withdrawal receipt for the period. Without objections ordered. On september 3 of the deposit reference into the biden account on the same day i went to submit that for the record. Without objection so ordered progress last document septembes personal account there is a check written to joseph biden junior the president of the United States today for 40000 signed loan repayment for a loan repayment by the way joe bidens own personal accountant mr. Eric as no record for. Going to submit that for the record mr. Chairman fairplex of that objection sorta perplexes the members of the committee its clear the source of this money came from cfc it is a company directly linked to the ccp and action of the chairman of the ccp eight chairman of the chinese, his Party Chairman xijinping it without a yield pic looks very good. Mr. Chairman and got a request . Go ahead but. White house the staff report of the Minority Side the unit in trump world tower. To determine one or 89 months in prison ordering him to pay restitution of more than 80 billion for three criminal fraud conspiracies and other investors progress that objections order. The chair now recognizes for five minutes. If i were not here somewhere around the country watching. Congress of the United States and this case 15 months hold these hearings on hunter biden and 15 months as you can see today as a result of that. This is a donothing congress. Which we do the jobs which we are sent to do which is not to have investigation hearing after investigation hearing over and over and over again and then to her favorite tv outlet to give interviews after his weary sit here to get a job done. Taxpayers are looking at all of us. Meanwhile americans black, white, asian, latino native american and their families are wondering what is going on. Is this another investigation hearing in the 15 months that has yielded nothing at all . It is the donothing congress but you thought harry truman said 1948, anyone can say it today but look at what we have done in 15 months. Virtually nothing. Nothing at all. Senior citizens sit in their homes and watch cspan or some other outlet carried this for some sitting in nursing homes. All of them worried about losing the social security. They are on fixed incomes they expect congress to use it time and its energy to deal with things that affect them directly. Students are divulging on loans to colleges all over the country. No one wants to talk about that. Healthcare isnt adequate. Most places in this country. Disease are ravaging our communities and people assume that at some point the congress will do with that. And so whether it is cancer, cardiovascular disease, kidney disease, diabetes, hiv, stroke, the disparities in the Health System say please, please give us a little bit of your time also when you are not done with hunter biden and when you can prove hes done anything wrong. Crime is out of control. White collar as well as black color. Assault weapons are still being used every day. The shooting kills innocent children and americans. We are sitting here talking about something we have talked about for 15 months with no substantial evidence. Can get humanitarian aid to palestine. Cannot get military aid to the ukraine. Children are looking and wondering what is going on. Is that what politics are about . We are doing a disservice but i know im supposed to be asking questions and mr. Parnas i may have one or two for you im so outraged at a donothing congress. Just pointing the finger, pointing the finger over and over again and people are hurting. Looking for real help. Cannot do with immigration because donald trump calls up and kills immigration bill yet people say thats a major issue, is it . I have not seen the sort of attention we thought we were put into that or anything else. And so this particular hearing will probably be followed by another hearing and another hearing and another hearing until this congress expires in january of next year end we have not done the thing to move the ball forward. Except make accusations. Life is too short. Maybe some of you have a guarantee youre going to be around forever, but i dont. I came to this body first in 1987. I worked under Ronald Reagan and the first bush and bill clinton and donald trump. And now joe biden. This congress is not doing anything. Its not like the previous congress, trust me. That is my people have such a low esteem of those of us on congressman soandso. People on the street dont buy that. They do not see the action. I am done i know ive exhausted my time. Mr. Parnas a couple quick questions and i what you go. Is it your understanding Rudy Giuliani work for an individual identified by the Company Trump administration as a russian agent . Yes. Do you know what these russian light actors were trying to do quickly . Pushed a Conspiracy Theory about the bidens brickwork said you know did you warn Rudy Giuliani . Yes, i did pick. What was his response to cinque lee . Lexi told me mickey agreed with me but then proceeded to work with these people behind my back too. And these people been identified as russian agents . Yes, sir. We have a meeting here of mr. I am disgusted, as most people are about this process. The only way we get to a point where we get things done as we learn to talk to one another across the aisle without having another Conspiracy Theory after another one after another one. You dont buy trust that way, you by contempt i yield back exit chair recognizes her five minutes. Think you mr. Chairman. I want to start off by saying i think most americans are taught at a very young age that you are who you surround yourself with. Keep that in a premise as i sat here and listen to everyone talk about how hunter biden is this golden boy. Are we really supposed to believe hunter biden is the golden boy . His associates are felons convicted of fraud. Yet he is the golden child. I want to talk about examples of the bidens influence peddling scheme. This time it was romania. It follows the same general pattern as we have seen with other countries like china, russia, ukraine and kazakhstan. Here is the pattern its really simple a corrupt foreign oligarch needs access to the u. S. Government. Hunter biden the oligarchs pay up lets just take a deeper dive into this romanian scheme. Mr. Bobulinkski who is gabriel . He is a businessman from romania probably worth hundreds of millions of dollars i would envision. Is it true that he faced corruption charges in romania in 2015 kuester. It is. When you were in europe with the bidens to close on that deal with the chinese you separately negotiated to get a 17th payment is at also it alsocorrect question. I did. But he did not want to pay him, is that correct . Correct your talk at modest 17th payment that would go to rob walker Robert Walker would distribute to hunter biden. That is correct. It is because hunter biden failed in the work he was engaged to do. Which was to get the corruption charges dismissed by the romanian authorities. Isnt that correct . It is two things they failed to do that. But also joe biden had left the white house at that point. Okay i get 16 payments while joe biden is in the white house. Correct spread. After joe biden leaves the white house coincidentally the payments stop. Correct to pray. Just want to make sure we can connect the dots very sip simply pick. Obviously is not a coincidence. I am not much for coincidence which neither are the American People. But what do you think he wanted hunter biden to do . I dont have to think because gabriel told me personally he expected and did not want the details he expected hunter biden, Robert Walker and james to do whatever it was necessary to impact his case in romania. How do you know that . Lex because he told me that. From his mouth . Yes. There is a another. We can connect with that be a Conspiracy Theory question. Us on a Conspiracy Theory pricks okay thank you for it i would encourage you to interview gabriel. Thank you. Lastly, after claiming he wanted a public hearing, hunter biden decided to skip today. Why do you think he skip the hearing today . Is at a rhetorical or serious . I dont think you want to sit next to me because obviously ive emphatically stated he perjured himself and transcribed interview with the committee as did his uncle jim bided and for every fact he claims her wants to say i was high on drugs or i can show a document, a text message, a recording that confirms he is lying. Tot lot at the facts get in the way of a good story, right . Here are the facts are. Highly disappointing is that youre that pig. I would agree, i would agree. Here are the facts hunter biden was engaged by a foreign principal. It is wellknown hunter bike and met with the ambassador to romania in november of 2015. Hunter biden was not registered. He stopped getting paid as soon as his father leaves office. Until you got popovich to send hunter bite it one more payment. Seriously, what services was hunter biden providing to the romanian oligarchs for millions of dollars . We have yet to hear it too. As far as the committee knows hunter biden was never registered under the foreign registration act. If the department of justice applied the same standard it did in the case hunter would be in more case than he is already in. Mr. Chairman there are real issues here that we need to continue to look at but with that i thank you for being here and i think you mr. Chairman. Absolutely thank you good job for the chair recognizes from new york. Thank you mr. Chair. Mr. Bobulinkski, i heard your Opening Statement, submitted to the record part of our proceedings. I have a quick question, simple. Is that your testimony today that you personally witnessed President Joe Biden commit a crime . I believe the fact he was sitting with me while i was putting together. A jew witnessed the president commit a crime customer is it your testimony today . Yes. What crime have you witnessed . How much time to have to go through . Its simple you name the crime did you watch them steal something question. Corruptions statutes rico. What is the crime sir . Specifically. You asked me too ask the question to answer the question. Ricoh youre obviously not family with corruptions statutes for a quick sixers excuse me sir. Excuse me sir. Excuse me sir. Ricoh is not a crime it is a category. The category of crime you are then charged with the. You have charges. Sir please name. The statute under ricoh customer gets funny in this Committee Room everyone is not here. I reclaim my time. I reclaim my time but i reclaim my time. Thank you i reclaim my time. Clearly, what we are seeing here today is a continuation of the 15 month saga of the republican majority lost in the desert. Impeachment 101. The Majority Party or whoever is raising impeachment must accuse the president of a high crime a specific high crime or misdemeanor i would like to submit for the record h rez 9. 8 the House Resolution to open this impeachment inquiry perfect without objections to order. This does not outline a high crime or misdemeanor it is not here. When we compare the opening from the previous opening hes talking about ukraine. A blockbuster piece of information in a classified skiff room. Inside that room alleging President Biden extremely furious. What happened . What happened a month ago mr. Chairman . That document the fbi arrested the person a person who offered the allegation for falsifying his testimony to the fbi. The entire impeachment inquiry is based on an actual, approvable, individual who has lied. Responsible leadership with withdraw an inquiry based on that. Withdraw. Instead, what we are seeing is this committee was warned long before that or invite trump secretary of state mike pompeo get they proceeded anyway the chairman proceeded anyway. This committee was warned by Rudy Giuliani after that document about the falsehoods of this. Then held hearings her own expert witnesses said theres no grounds for impeachment and free proceeded anyway. Finally, as if none of this was enough the fbi arrested the individual who was the source of the entire to quote the chairman part of the manner to launch this impeachment inquiry and proceeded anyway. At this point the story is not the fact the basis of this impeachment inquiry is wrong. The story is what its proceeding anyway. Why is this committee proceeding based on false charges . By the way no charges i have yet to hear in the chairmans opening the allegation they are specifically charging the president of the United States with. I am hearing about biden family. Im hearing about this and that. I am not hearing the specific allegation by this committee. What is it . It is not here and that is the problem. This committee knew their work with falsified evidence. That is the story. With that i yield back and fix potential it yields back the chair recognizes ms. Mays from South Carolina for five minutes for. Thank you mr. Chart march 4, 25 for joe biden stated he did not interact with hunter or jim bided Business Associates. I like to ask you knows consent to enter to be record your post article biden insist he did not interact by. Objections order. Were going to go faster strictly yes or no questions. On that note the New York Post article joe biden also said read the record of every single witness. So i did. I first read devon archers deposition he interact with joe biden by donna read the transcript of george burgess, kevin morse, Tony Bobulinkski and jason. In every single one of them interacted with joe biden. Thats just the people we interviewed. My first questions are for you. That hunter biden call joe biden on the line on may 4, 2014 yes or no . Yes for. And that called it hunter biden stay on this call with joe biden that everything is good we are moving forward . Yes he did pick. Okay on the same call to joe bided in the call was saying okay then you begin to my boy . Yes he said that is well requested agreed to put 20 million into one of Hunter Bidens business projects days later sent to this phone call . Yes. It hunter biden ever take a call from joe biden in new york . That is right. It hunter biden ever take a call from joe biden while dependence of our new york . Yes he did pay. During this call that hunter might update joe biden on progress in landing a Business Partnership Harvest Fund Management . Yes but. Was harvest a three billiondollar Chinese Financial Services company closely tied to the chinese Commons Party . Yes it was very. Is hunter biden involved with harvest . Two ways. Yes or no. [inaudible] brick hunter biden involved yes or no . Yes. As part of the deal to hunter biden with the company to deliver board seat prejudged biden . Yes by. Okay did henry the Chinese Businessman one assurances joe biden would join the board yes or no . Yes he did. Okay. And an email as well. Okay thank you printed hunter bided drafted email stating please offer the conversation about a board seat for certain relation of mine. Then a golf without relation earlier this week we discussed is very id again. As always been very keen on the opportunity. Here is a photo of joe biden and devon archer and hunter biden golfing days before the alleged email draft. Do you believe a certain relation of mine refers to joe biden . Consider that theres any question. s scenes in that picture but. Did you ever meet with devon archer were hunter took calls for his father . Yes we. Are one of these phone calls that hunter by until joe bided date needed help getting quote getting across the finish line . Yes that is correct for. Okay if you recall receiving an email the possible giving 10 ownership to joe biden threat to biden . Yes but. My last questions are for both of you very quickly. Mr. Bobulinkski and mr. Galanis you both stated to told not to use joe bidens name is communications, correct . Yes it. Yes a progressive joe biden participated phone conversations may Hunter BidensBusiness Associates and foreign interest yes or no . Mr. Bobulinkski. Yes he clearly deborah. Yes or no. Yes. Hunter bidens deposition he said he did not involve his father in his business and hunter biden lie under oath yes or no . Mr. Bobulinkski quest for. Yes. Mr. Galanis . I said thats what he said yes. Okay as joe biden lying when he says he did not enter their Business Partner support interest yes or no . X yes. Mr. Galanis . Yes. And debate october 22, 2020 joe biden denied hunter biden made money from china Hunter Bidens a Business Associates port it is a good buddy from Chinese Businesses and Business Partners and or interest yes or no . Mr. Bobulinkski . I am sorry. It hunter bided make money from chinese. That hunter biden make money from Chinese Business interest yes or no . Yes. Yes. Trip biden has repeatedly claimed he was not involved and hunter biden, jim biden into their biden business deal today art witnesses have proved otherwise. Today we establish a biden lied about interactive Hunter BidensBusiness Associates it is my belief joe biden is the closer for hunter biden, jim biden and their Business Associates and foreign interests. Good luck to the left of per the otherwise but thank you you back. Attention when it yields back the chair recognize mr. Porter from california. The title of this hearing is influence peddling. Examining joe bideds abuse of public office. The impeachment inquiry is dead. If it was on life support mike coley aoc just killed it. There is no allegation of a specific crime. President biden did not do anything wrong gives you evidence of that and still both democrats and republicans and the immediate treat these hearings like the super bowl. But no one ever wins and americans always lose. Ive got a fresh direction for this hearing. All we have to do is cross off the part after the colon. There, just influence peddling. We should have a policy discussion how to stop from using their positions to get money or favors that is a real hearing one that nearly every american regardless of party once us to hold. We can start by talking about how Senior ExecutiveBranch Officials can leave Public Service wait just one year to legally become lobbyists for big corporations. Scoring new employers employers profitablegovernment e regulations. They can even be paid by the big corporations during that short one year. While they are waiting to become lobbyists as a down payment for their future ability to pedal influence. That is wrong. For the panel of witnesses, by show of hands out americans what our witnesses support excitedly when youre waiting. Two years . I would. There we go. Republicans, democrats even convicted criminals. Everybody supports we should do more to stop influence peddling. Its a government reform americans of all political stripes support and i should know. In 2022 i pass an exact reform as an amendment to the National Defense authorization act with a bipartisan majority vote. What happened to that amendment . Why didnt become law . The answer is simple. Nearly 500 former members of Congress Work for lobbying firms. To any people around you and to follow their footsteps. And dont want to make it hard for government officials to be lobbyists. Ultimately lets the mma get stripped i offered up the amendment again Republican Leadership under then speaker Kevin Mccarthy never put the amendment up for a vote. Other and address the real problem but the American People believe that the rules that prevent corruption our way to week. To stop politicians on both sides of the aisle from peddling the community should be working together in a bipartisan way to change the culture of congress to crack down on peddling and just as importantly, to stop the perception of it. Let me give you some facts. I dont even need a white boardd for this, 400 members work for lobbying forms. 467 members of Congress Take corporate pack money. Seventyeight members of congress violated the stop act last congress. Clearly we have our work cut out for us so lets start the conversation today on what a bipartisan reforms ethic package could look like. The organizations that could have come today as witnesses so we could have had a productive conversation. Oversight staff do you have your notebooks ready . The responsibility common cause, project on government oversight, public citizen, with the right witnesses and commitment to doing with the American People want. Of the committee can have a real conversation about the problem of influenced peddling and we can pass legislation to create a badly needed ethics guardrails. That would be real work. Not a circus. I yield back. Before i recognize, i think you are sincere and i look forward to working with you on that legislation. Can we take a five minute break for the bathroom . Let us get one more and then we will do that. The chair recognizes mr. Timmons for five minutes and then we will take a break because we have boats coming up anyway. A scheme to the biden concocted to sell the biden brand almost 30 million for various numbers the scheme was repeated with romania, russia and ukraine. Im going to spend my time on one instance involving burisma. The commitment to conspire to bribery for extortion under the 18 usc section 1951 and if you want a refresher on those, look up senator menendez in his wifes indictment. Lets start with this. Ive got an email here from the secretary of burisma and hes advocating hunter biden intervened with with officials to facilitate communications expressing their positive opinion of the president of burisma to the prosecutor general with the ultimate purpose to close down any cases. This is dated november 2nd. Keep in mind they are being investigated by the Inspector General of ukraine and he needs help so here weve got bank records galore of hunter biden receiving prior to this email over a Million Dollars after the email, 2 million and you will find out so again the 3 million. Next, what happens . This is great 11 days later we have the u. S. Embassy announcing the Vice President is traveling on december 7th. Interesting. Vice President Biden travels to the country. Here we have a great photo of him touching down. So vice President Biden leverages the policy to achieve a favorable outcome. Weve all seen the video he brags about leveraging u. S. Foreign loan guarantees to get the Ukrainian Government to fire victor to end of the investigation. Weve got the email saying that we need to leverage you who havent provided value for your Million Dollars in service, he brings in the big guy, biden leverages the u. S. Implements and withholds the guarantees to fire so if that is not enough, weve got the victory lap, and email a few months later saying less than a year. So this is straightforward. Pay to play. Its bribery, paid 3 million at the lowest point in his life he testified in the deposition that he was drug addicted and that hes never been to ukraine yet hes paid 3 million to get his father to go to solve his clients problem. Does this sound like the scheme you have seen the biden family do . I wasnt involved in ukraine but the facts surrounding this are very similar. This is the thing. If hunter biden were here, we would be able to ask some questions, but he is not. Whats interesting is just yesterday, the federal prison in miami for four months for not showing up in front of the january 6 committee and i want to point out to everybody the committee was defective under house rules, procedurally because the minority leader did not get to appoint members to the committee. The United States house of representatives oversight and Accountability Committee is a procedurally perfect committee and we have authority to subpoena hunter biden and he has to show up. He has to answer these questions and tell the world that his father didnt leverage the Foreign Policy so he would get 3 million. This is no different. And of the American People are not buying this nonsense. We have to restore, we must restore their faith in our institutions and we have to stop this ridiculous where the department of justice persecutes President Trump and hides hunter biden behind every corner. This is not the United States of america that the American People deserve and we have to get our country back on track and with that i will yield. Did the Committee Subpoena hunter biden today . The chair recognizes pursuant to the order at the request of the minority witnessed the chair declares the committee in recess for ten minutes, then we will come back and may have to recess again for a vote