Next, governors of south dakota and mark of wyoming testify on all School Related conservation and Landscape Health designated by the bureau of Land Management. They discuss states rights and concerns over land use. Force management and Economic Impact to self businesses in rural communities. This is just over three and a half hours. [background noises] committee on Natural Resources will come to order. I declare recess at any time. Meeting today to hear testimony on representatives bill hr 3397 to require director bureau of Land Management for Land Management related conservation. Good morning everyone. A little earlier starting time but hopefullywe will get on earlier today. We are here today to consider each are all is socalled action and Landscape Health goals this rule would devastate local economies under the is the pool only further this administrations rifle preservationists and half the Us Population lives within one also be out families on access blm lands were reopened, Outdoor Recreation, timber production for these activities are all part of the blm will use sustained yield management which creates hundreds of billions of dollars in sustains 783,000 jobs now the this morning to open multiple use and in the western way of life will be to lease land you defined conservation leases, you said traditional will use skype designations of new areas of Environmental Concern the greatest concern is how will uneasily change the way areas and sustained mandates that a concentration for use with policy Management Team 56 also notes thereby bypassing congressional authority. Blm is this socalled 10 year Conservation Police to address conservation of the rated landscape and one of the problems with this is blm seems to preservation is the same conservation its certainly not this playbook is not new form of iron in his nose he will decide their policies are classically atrocious you all the initiative which was rearended the number of you find old the proposed conservation rule is by and it fails to even define they consider conservation permissible under a conservation lead while the definition goes so far as will activities this is in itself letting as many members of the access federal land which was short by the addition be excluded as a lifelong hunter and fisherman im deeply concerned this will have devastating effects on the door recreation econ which depends on figures and guys. Cool space landscape be temporarily close to access yet remains silent on how long these closures collapse being the American People that the blocks from accessing his conservation lease for the majority or entirety of the lease term are from a staff aggravated blm these and many other questions yet the agency has been toget answers and visible. We hope three hearings where members have been able to engage with Agency Officials on mobile including secretary then haaland witnesses have shared their opposition members expressed concern about the blm itself has only about three in person listening sessions on the role in densely populated cities denver, albuquerque and reno these areas do not represent the impacted communities. The agency also failed to respond letter i sent with my colleagues asking them to extend as period on this will hold more in person listening sessions this is where advancing hr 33 97 which would require the director to withdraw this devastating role prevent the blm from issuing a substantially similar rule in the future forward to hearing our witnesses definitely wind this legislation is so critical to push back on overreaching regulation. Citizens in rural areas across the less deserved matter of blm harvested bureaucracy really would like to thank governor christie noh, having served on the more shes now soft, as we all know traveling to dc to testify is in subject is great to hear from the real world where these policies will have devastating impact and i look forward to hearing of the owners and with that i yelled back my time and recognize the Ranking Member haaland class appreciate the opportunity to talk about blms newly proposed public lands will even appreciate the concepts with which this discussion is happening the proposed rule is long overdue. As an update to how we manage our land layout the policy, blm is the mandate to manage our platform uses in a way that will best meet the present and future needs of the American People to make use of our future no passing conservation ismultiuser equation. Fortunately conservation has taken a backseat to all other uses of mining,oil and gas extraction. These other uses of long people access as set as it lies and expectations. Conservation does not is important to see the by an administration restoration will the proposed rule establishes a framework to promote restoration, provide for responsible help out the landscapes as it stands 90 percent of the land into commercial the is not backed up for drinks, if you lose areas where americans, fish, bite or progress. Many of the agencies around jewels are found on the acres of Natural Conservation land, areas that national sandstone Desert National monuments in my home state. Considering these special places is not a radical idea, but the American People want your after year the state of the rockies bowl shows a majority support increased conservation is important to point out the is responsible for managing was already personal and archaeological resources asked by local communities will support conservation of their Ancestral Lands is way past time we start listening to those rules is not just does just that to create an opportunity for the time to incorporate feedback on the role of the vision of ecological knowledge and outline out the administration submitted to the running of 25 kilowatts of Renewable Energy on public land 20 i the proposed rule by creating a new mechanism to her on public land is a proposed rule will help blm establish balance will best meet our present and future needs revealing this will praise is as Global Sustainability burden of which our future generations will be forced to bear. I look forward to discussion today as a guest, mister chairman. Ranking member of the download which consists of representative john kearns from utah isabel sponsor and i live in paris buying five minutes on hr march 3, 1997. User during for holding his hearing and harvesting was witnesses for being here im sitting here on parttime and nicely there is one member across the aisle the this meeting and to is here and now this is the same question of those in the east coast would like to come to the last toss housing as well as what that easy that for decades and decades and decades, the appeal of utah have managed these plans and responsible way are better mister ranking number one definition. Nothing of this definition for land use off little tries in this land and now we have east coast in my district are the last to fly over it underage california tell us that they know better than you how to manage these lands is simply not true based on a fact that yukon sees lands out and we, ill be taking care of them and house recreation withagriculture , with extraction, with the many duties in this area. First of all i would like to go on record and say that in the last, we know are better managed these lands and have done better days and decades and the bureaucrats in the east coast and dream of my district, but all of my district is for 90 percent federal lands and forecast. 90 percent of logistics doesnt get property tax doesnt have the ability to manage their own land 90 percent our state is 60 percent inour witnesses have similar percentages. And yet people from these have never been there want to tell us how to manage these lands and what we can do with this land and i will say decades and decades environmentalists in the world who by the way they need to be called environmentalists, farmers and ranchers are have been taking care of and preserving and protecting these lands. This rule undermines our real conservatives, conservationists like farmers and ranchers who keptlaughing. It will increase the likelihood of wildfires. Poor management of these lands will increase the life of fires. This will increase our Food Shortages and our energy shortages, none of these things are good. Let alone the United States but only the last. The field of this designation is critical to our management of these lands are german witnesses in worrying here through the course of this hearing today will understand truly manage these lands to preserve the air of our beautiful resources in the last with that misterchairman i yelled my time. To about two hours of witnesses and gordon open ill just remind you that under the rules you must let rolls into five minutes, your entire statement will appear in the hearing record and in your testimony press the on button on the phone we use and lots and when you begin a lot will turn green at the end of five minutesthe loss will turn red. I ask you to put your stigmas if you do so at that time. I would like to introduce representative johnson from the state of southdakota is reserved for us. I think we all know a lot of politicians who will be whatever you want them to be the political winds changed they will change the artist thats not proceed on know your work on time. Ive seen her at the scene were set decisions and time again i see her decisions not on the basis of what would increase political comfort what would better serve her office you guys percent of paradox that will you make those decisions, and of becoming a popular thing they way she has led Public Opinion that way she has a great decision state that when she has been a great leader so that you may only show up just a right by saying this im the only member of dizziness, thats risky nolan and shes my daughter. And you are as is an arm of the year i was ready for some kind of something and to respond to thank you for that is enjoyed watching you sir. So i appreciate all your service to our state and people. Thank you, good morning chairman and Ranking Member or members of a minority not all of you today is that staff just gave me my old nameplate from as me when i had the chance to serve all of you which is incredibly specialty up here today use it except for i dont to sit where you said this is not a decision i will get a chance to make this is a mathematical authority and you today i sit in front of you as the owner and asked over our and rancher someone who recognizes the depredation that if this rule would go forward would be on our people. I remember vividly my time serving here on this company and i remember fondly working with many of you who sat on his name with me as well and good work you are able to do in preserving our Natural Resources. Today at of the great state of south dakota want to direct my comments to a piece of legislation you are considering are 397. This would require the director of the bureau withdrawal rule Conservation Landscape helps. This rule is not many highlights reaching an elected bureaucracy something to perpetuate rival Environmental Policies they ignore stewardship practices that have been this on our lands generation allowing will uses to say that people in my which i presented today. Mister sharon i made several specific reasons why this will be so devastatingfor our staff. I think it is impossible for them to forward this to responsibly conserve our land. I encourage all of you to read that actually in addition to testimony i signed a letter with the owners of utah, idaho, nevada and my friend sitting here with me . Wyoming is a voice and always concerned with buying and associate director on this proposal let me where conservation is just a theory is blame you for many generations. I was raised by that was in the upsell lands because god not making a more land from the time i was a young is to him well and the immediate ground conservation practices management decisions. Either the Scientific Data and Research Want to operate on i also learned why he cares so much working life just a job as a culture only preserved the work is just injury but also remind us of the Natural Resources that were not grew older i learned more of the importance of keeping all areas of our country to stabilize the economy every part of our mission is to reduce the cost during a difficult time. Counselor was to be energy independent,s admissions and 30 was elected better elected a fellow rancher s name was larry rose and to our knowledge about her in the history of the nation both spent our lives from culture to understand as well as anyone farmers and ranchers. Our land customers. We present it to pass is branches. My experience in business and Office NationalSecurity Issues as reaffirmed my belief is in the United States of america they never need to fire a shot to the customer. They may not need to. Theyre going to be surrendering our freedoms by becoming more dependent on them for our needs. For gas, oil, medicine and more. Supply Energy Supply will cancel us and freedoms will be gone we cannot allow this to move forward and stops for a stop and independence. Youre the 98 percent of the lands are raised raising is an Conservation Strategy in the old 76 active producing wells 6000 7062 acres. These figures are recreation and including hunting, fishing, hiking and more and we must maintain a access in order for these lands to benefit both south dakota residents and visitors that i am smart and i realized im time you can be successful that much more i like to share today on buses is wrong with the school and why it is worth, the is it, the unnecessary burden stops the number one concern for the is that conservation is already incredibly a part of every single management Practice Patterns on the last to create a medicine such as an conservation lease to be bought by thirdparty, not necessarily in our own country and give authority over these lands is dangerous , not dangerous, dangerous to our economy and energy independence, reducing our own and is dangerous to america. You are writing this legislation that mistersharon i will yield. We will have the time for questions. We will get to delve into the details of your testimony even more. I now recognize that only two issues are second you will recognize. Its so wonderful to see both of you today. There are a lot of differences between washington dc and wyoming a lot of them is traffic you notice that . I apologize for the a few minutes late is wonderful to see both of you here today is my honor to introduce some of the great daughter mark. He grew up family ain understands first and the difficulties dealing with overburdened federal regulations. He is an experienced service as well treasurer from october 20 fall january 2019 and he was working as hard as our allergies here in the interests of many farmers, ranchers, creationists and have been left out of the conversation on the socalled landscape rule imposed by the blm this rule is either conservation or Landscape Health. It is about control i look forward to going to incessantly in that regard those of you consider this will be a great conservation effort with minimum impact to listen to his testimony understand the significance of this proposal will have on land and many others if we dont do anything about. Thank you for being here today and im. Members of the committee, is wonderful to be here today. On behalf of the people of wyoming as our rancher outdoors and conservationists let me thank you for this opportunity to share my support for hr 23 97. Is my opposition to the bureau of last was Conservation Land usual more than 40 percent of wyoming is federal service is the pencil is substantial managing 18. 4 million acres of public land , and 42. 9 million acres of federal mineral estate is 29 percent of let while in service plans, and more than west virginia. Well. Writers and teachers and all interview to conservation in concert with all his principle of federal law and vietnams existing wyoming routinely lacks personage and forecast option second production on offshore federal in 2002 7 and a half million tourists visited the quality state Service Spending 4. 5 billion, glad and recreation contribute substantially wyoming sector raising on public lands is the dedication to search on the land while supporting a domestic food supply members of the committee, wyoming ranchers are as use of the public lands and work well with agencies on raising issues from my rash was recognized for excellence in range management by the society for rash management is lies in core habitat in 2014 my life and isolate with the others when we sign the first candidate conservation assurances within then secretary of interior jewels will she said we have going on here in wyoming but the example of state and private land owners working in cooperation with multiple federal agencies these systems in perpetuity. Mister sharon, my point is not what weve done conservation but the fact that wyoming ranchers Industries Working are conservation minded and thats true throughout the last and worst of tables, conservation means this as much as it does protection. Wyoming people respected the importance of conservation from the early days of state would be established admissions game and fish agency respecting private <