War college in carlyle, pennsylvania. And these are legitimate questions. What would we have done or should we have done or both. I threw a lot of information at you tonight, but at least there were pictures, not totally words. But i must remind you that it is very complicated. I spent a long time trying to figure it out. It is a big puzzle, but a very interesting one. And there are several books, several blog sites and now we have the template from afghanistan being reproduced in iraq and syria. This is what Osama Bin Laden wanted to do, take over afghanistan. I dont think he realized or believed this could happen. But now we have a caliphate deck lated in iraq and syria and it comes directly out of the model from afghanistan. So when we took our eye off the ball in 2003, on march 19th, went into iraq, that sent another signal to the world, that we werent serious about afghanistan. And if you talk to a lot of many of you must have military friends or friends that are still serving or exmilitary. Now that they are not wearing the uniform, they might tell you how they really feel. And it would be it is an interesting conversation. Yes, they were following orders. But now that they have the freedom to discuss it, what do they think . And it is interesting to go to west point or to annapolis or to the Navy War College or to the navy post graduate college, which i did in monterey, california, and talk to them. They are not happy. But they are also tired. So with this challenge in iraq and syria right now, it is really exponentially more critical. But that 2001 question but thank you for having me. [ applause ] id be happy to talk later outside or whenever wherever possible. Thank you, crystal. Thank you. [ proceedings concluded ] tonight on cspan 3 in prime time at 8 00, women in congressment the historian of the house of representatives Matthew Wisniewski and curator Ferrer Elliott present photographs related to the history of women in the u. S. House, beginning with the election of janet rankin in 1918. And then the house ways and means committee, hosting chair paul ryan, Ranking Member sandra levin and Cokie Roberts whose father served on the committee. And after 10 00, another american artifacts, looking at the Senate Caucus room. Donald richie describes several history hearings held there, including the trueman Committee Investigation of world war ii expenditures an the 1954 Army Mccarthy hearings. Tonight on cspan, the Security Threat posed by isis and the recruiting efforts and the use by social media. Here is assistant attorney general john carlin on how isis lures young people. Isil and its business model, it is encouraging people to commit attacks wherever they are and whether or not they actually have any other connection with isil, theyll claim credit for the attack. And how does that reflect in terms of what were seeing in the homeland . Weve seen a dramatic increase in the number of arrests related to the shift in the threat. Weve had over 50 arrests for criminal prosecutions in the last 18 months. In the beginning they tended to be foreign terrorist fighters, those wanting to go over seas to commit may ham on behalf of the terrorist groups but more recently were seeing individuals inside of the United States that want to conduct terrorist attacks here at home and they are encouraged by isil to do so on social media. And linked to the fact that it is social media and who is on it, were seeing a definite change in the demographics that were arresting. It is younger. So were seeing now of these arrests over around 80 are 30 years old or younger and of those about 40 are 21 years old or younger. The Aspen Security Forum featured panels on intelligence, threats to europe and special operations. Watch the program in its entirety starting at 8 00 p. M. Eastern time. Recently the Senate Aging Committee held a hearing on the increase in the number of unwanted phone calls and scams aimed at senior citizens. Despite laws allowing people to opt out of receiving marketing calls. We heard from someone who was a victim of one of the phone scams as well as a federal i think were going to begin right away. Thank you all for staying in place. Were going to move quite quickly through todays program. My name is jack gillis, im director of Public Affairs for the Consumer Federation of america and i would like to welcome you to todays panel on investigative reporting. For consumer advocates and those working with the media, investigative reporting is one of the most critical components in being in an effective advocate. Today were going to talk about something near and dear to the hearts of advocates and that is investigative reporting. The traditional, and as a result of the nnf, the increasingly difficult business channel and the increasingly difficult business challenges facing news outlets. Well look at how this is impacting a key pillar in consumer advocacy. Because the media is so critically important to advocates, there are new questions being raised that will effect the way we are able to change policy. Who is emerging as credible news sources on the internet . Do the new Business Models effect editorial content. What is the relevance of print and broadcast outlets to the internet partners . How do news recipients, how do we consumers address the concern that the internet content may not be as carefully edited as daily print content. Our blogs, real competition to traditional news outlets. And what are the challenges in integrating blogs, social media, usergenerated content into organizations like abc, nbc, yahoo, the wall street journal sand propublica who have new and blue chip reputations for unbiased and carefully researched content. The bottom line is well look at where investigative reporting is going in the next five years. As we ask these questions, the news about the news is kind of scary. A recent pugh report discussed that the continued erosion of news reporting resources combined with the new Media Opportunities present growing opportunities in politics, government, and agencies and corporations to take their messages directly to the public without a filter. Here is a snapshot from the pugh report. Newspaper newsroom cutbacks put the industry down 30 since 2000. In local tv, sports, weather and traffic now account for an average of 40 of the content. Cnn, the cable channel that branded itself around deep reporting has cut story packages in half. Across three of the major cable channels, coverage of live events and live reports during the day, which requires expensive crews and staff, have been cut by 30 . Here is where it gets interesting. To combat dwindling resources, a growing list of Media Outlets such as Forbes Magazine uses new technology to produce content by way of algorithm. No human reporting necessary. This adds up to a new industry that is more undermanned and underprepared to uncover stories, dig deep into emerging ones and to question the information put in their hands. And all of this is happening at a time as howard kurtz said, that the average consumer can in effect create his own news, picking and choosing from sources he trusts and enjoys rather than being spoonfed by a hand full of baked media conglomera conglomerates, is what we have here, the big media conglomerates. Almost every year for 20 years weve examined the media from a variety of perspectives and weve had some incredible participants. Without question, this year we are honored to have what could be considered the best collection of Investigative Reporters in the kurn. So thank you all very much for joining us. So what i would like to do today is ask a series of questions, encourage the panelists to interact with each other and most importantly encourage you to interrupt, ask questions and be part of this discussion. The first question goes to brian ross. Brian is abc news chief investigative correspondent reporting for world news, niteline, Good Morning America and 20 20. He began his career prior to nbc where he was before abc in waterloo, iowa. While hes a chicago native, hes a graduate of the university of iowa which explains that waterloo, iowa, which i couldnt understand when i read his bio. Hes received some of the most prestigious awards, seven duponts, six peabodys, six pullks and five overseas awards and five edward r murro awards and many more. I could spend an hour listing stories brian and his team have done to generate these awards. A couple of them are worth noting, however. Exposing the dangerous conditions at factories in bangladesh, making clothes for Tommy Hilfiger and walmart. A toyota report that prompted one of the largest automobile recalls in history. Pay to play grading systems by the better biz bureau and exposing walmart overseas child work for america. And in fact, i was just at walmart and there are pictures of brian all over the place. Dont let this man in. There are many more stories. It must have been when he was 10 years old, brian broke what remember as a very important story and that is the ab scan story so i guess, brian, you can be credited with the great movie american hustle. In introducing brian, i have to acknowledge cindy galley who is in the audience today, probably one of abcs star investigative producers and someone who i know many of you know quite well, so cindy, welcome as well. So brian, one of your awardwinning stories was done in cooperation with the center for Public Integrity. How did that come about, what was the relationship, what do you see as the future for joint investigative reports and if there is a future, what protections do you engage in when selecting a partner to avoid the appearance of bias . Thank you, jack. It is nice to be here. We partnered with the center for Public Integrity on what is happening to coalminers applying for benefits under the black lung law and what we discovered working with a great researcher at the center, chris amby, is one doctor at the most prestigious hospital, john hopkins because the goto doctor. And over the course of 1015 years, in every single case he failed to find black lung. Every single case. He thought it was a remote bird disease, he had a lot of explanations but never found blag lung. And what what ham by did was to go back and compile the medical records of 1700 or 1800 cases and examine the findings and some of those people had died and after they died, the autopsy showed they in fact, had black lung. So chris came to us from the center and with producer matt rosk, we worked together using the incredible research and frankly the kind of research that we probably would not spend a year and a half doing and that is what chris hamby did and putting that together with our ability to sit down at Johns Hopkins and interview this doctor. After our report, that program was suspended by hopkins. The department of labor since moved to reopen every single case where miners had been denied and again and again there were many miners who died who had been determined by their own doctors they had black lung, after this doctor at hopkins said they did not, the governor reached out to take back the benefits. Some were in debt for 50,000 or a 60,000 because there was a claw back of the benefits. That for me was one of the most powerful stories in recent time and led to a number of awards but more importantly it led to real changes in how the law was administered and how that program is now being looked at again by the department of labor. And it was partnerships are not without their issues. We all seek to have credit and try to share the credit as much as possible. There are a number of awards. The center won a pulitzer prize. We won the goldsmith award and a number of other awards for it. And it was one of the more rewarding projects i think. But frankly, as i said, abc would probably not spend a year and a half as ham space by did and go through every file. And he did incredible work. And we brought the ability to shape the story and to give it as broad as possible broadcast and it went on every Single Program on abc news. So is this something that could happen in the future, and again how do you work out the issue of this organization may bring a particular bias that you want to try to avoid . Well we dont want to work with any group with any bias and i dont think the center came with any bias. We worked with propublica on joint pros pecks. We are picky and there is management on who we would and would not work with, in that kind of joint effort. We are prepared to interview people and do stories about all kinds of groups. Were actually going into the trenched together as journalists, were very picky. Great. We have mike issicoff, the chief correspondent at yahoo and prior to that, with nbc, and with news week and a reporter for the Washington Post. Mike has broken repeated stories and won numerous awards for his reporting on the government on terror, governments war on terror, u. S. Intelligence terrors, abu ghraib scandal, and congressional ethics abuses, president ial politics and the coverage of the aftermath of 9 11. What is particularly mike is wellknown for a couple of major stories. In fact his exclusive reporting on the lewinsky scandal gained him National Attention and his coverage of the events actually led to the president bill clintons impeachment. In doing so, he earned a whole series of awards for news week, the National Reporting award, the headlining award and the edgar poe award. And white house correspondents award as well as the gerald r. Ford award for journalism. Hes the author of two New York Times bestselling books and as a result, both of those books have chronicled much of his reporting. And in 2009 mike, along with brody, who youll meet in a couple of minutes, was named as one of the 50 best and most influential journalists in the nations capital. He graduated from wash u and received his masters degree in journalism from northwest. So mike, were familiar with nbc and newsweek, which maybe today were not so familiar with. Tell us about yahoos news philosophy and how are they reaching the audience with news. Well, thank you. And actually, this is sort of new unchartered territory for me in the Digital Space. But and it is evolving. Yahoo has made a commitment to as to be a serious news player, it is invested heavily in recruiting people, katie couric is the sort of chief global anchor, matt bye is the political columnist, i came on board last year, were hiring other people. And were trying to basically although yahoo is a huge Silicon Valley player, it is in the news side, it is sort of like working for a startup because we are inventing it, we are trying to see what works, exploring, experimenting with different ways of delivering news, both written and video. But a couple of things stand out. One is, the incredible reach that we have. Yahoo has Something Like 8 Million Viewers globally. When i write stories for yahoo now, i rarely see numbers. There are people that track these things. But you get a rough gage by looking at comments. I dont i never read the comments on my stories. Thats a true way to go down a rabbit hole. But i do look at the numbers to give you an idea of what is out there and the numbers of comments on what i do now at yahoo is 1020 fold greater than anything i would get when i wrote for news week or or online for nbc news. There is a vast audience out there in the Digital Space that sees your stuff, that is one reason why a lot of major news organizations have wanted to partner with yahoo. In fact we have a partnership with abc that was just renewed and that was a sort of highly comments other networks wanted to partner with yahoo. We chose or yahoo chose to continue the abc relationship. And that is because to the extent that more and more people are getting their news digitally and mobile, this is where the audience is increasingly going to be. So in some respects, although in in Silicon Valley yahoo has a reputation of somewhat of a legacy company, it was one of the early internet companies, it is, i think, very much a pioneer in the in news on the web. And weve got resources and there is a commitment and im sort of very excited about the opportunities. Thanks, mike. So youre famous for the indepth investigative stories, penn state story comes to mind, youve spent hours and hours. How does that translate to two paragraphs on a yahoo page . Well, the stories that im doing at yahoo are a lot longer than two paragraphs. Maybe that is what people might see on their mobile or something. But it is all there. Weve been able to do some pretty interesting investigative pieces. There is one that got a lot of attention last year. Ive done a lot of reporting on the governments war on terror and particularly drone strikes and the effectiveness of those. And we discovered a drone strike in yemen last year that killed a bunch of innocent civilians in a town, caused a huge uproar in that village. Antiu. S. Protests and backlash because one of those killed was a anti was an antial qaeda imam who spoke out and denounced al qaeda. A Police Officer was killed. And this has led these sorts of errant drone strikes have led to a real question, because the whole Drone Program is cloaked in secrecy. What does the u. S. Government do when it kills innocent civilians in a foreign country like this. When the u. S. Military inadvertently killed civilians. There are procedures for condolence payments, and they will make compensation to the families. What happens with Drone Programs have been cloaked in secrecy. We found a guy who was