Transcripts For CSPAN2 Meghan OGieblyn God Human Animal Mach

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Two men on intense personal journeys that converged in a single shocking act. I took five steps and fired. Five shots. I literally held john lennons heart in my hand. It was an unthinkable crime that left millions in mourning. The murder of john lennon next. Its a chilly night at around 10 45 p. M. Police respond to a report of a shooting at the dakota. An exclusive Apartment Building on manhattans upper west side. When we drove up to the dakota, theres a man standing in the middle of the street, pointing to the archway saying thats the man doing the shooting. We got out of the car, we approached the archway on each side of it. Looked in and saw a man with his hands up. Five shots had been fired. All but one found their target. So i grab the guy around the neck. The doorman, jose, said hes the one. Hes the only one. He shot john lennon. I was totally shocked. I threw him up against the wall. I said you did what . Former Beatle John Lennon has been shot with four hollow. 38 caliber bullets at close range. Police rush him to Roosevelt Hospital but its too late. Shortly after 11 00 p. M. , the Emergency Room doctor pronounces John Lennon Dead. Former Beatle John Lennon was gunned down as he entered the gate. John lennon, shot and killed in the dakota Apartment Building. It was really shocking. 40 years old, john lennon of the beatles. How could he be dead . How could this have happened . The city was in shock, not just people, my generation that grew up listening to their music in the 60s. I think just about everybody felt on so many levels it was wrong. It was terrible. I mean, i think the way so many people who didnt even know john felt. It hit me so much more because he befriended me and he didnt have to befriend me. In new york, cnn Investigative Reporter has come up with new facts about john lennons accused killer. The killer was identified as Mark David Chapman, a 25yearold fan and drifter from hawaii. Nothing from his background set off or would have caused to set off any alarm bells whatsoever. Chapman apparently was well liked by most people he knew. The most common description was open, friendly, a hard worker with a ready smile. I dont think i have seen anybody get mad at him or say anything bad. I couldnt believe it. Just didnt seem like the type person. Normal, really. I think he was just fine. I couldnt have asked for anything better. Most of those cant believe hes the same person charged with killing john lennon. Everybody that we interviewed, and there were a lot, every one said hes a nice person. Not capable of doing Something Like this. It was a tragic conclusion to an extraordinary life. John lennon, cofounder of the legendary beatles was gone. During the 1960s, the beatles were the biggest rock group in the world. Their influence and popularity were unparalleled. I think the beatles spoke to young people in the 60s in a way that no other band did. They influenced so many people, not just musically but socially, politically, culturally. They were the touch stone for everything going on in the 60s. Among the millions of American Kids who worshiped the beatles was a shy, Reclusive Teenager named Mark David Chapman. He was an especially fervent fan of john lennon. During their heyday, the beatles were open about they are use of psychedelic drugs. Like his idols, chapman begins experimenting. The defendant described there was periods of time in his life when he was more of the hippie nature, tried experimental drugs, as many people during that time did. But in 1971, chapman becomes a born again christian, he quits drugs and rejects rock n roll, the beatles and john lennon in particular. Well, i became a christian when i was 16. And that lasted about a year of genuine walking with him, through my life, off and on, i have struggled with different hinges, as we all do. And at those times, i would turn to the lord. Chapmans new found faith comes into conflict with his feelings about his former idol. According to friends, chapman was notably bothered by lennons song god in which he states i dont believe in jesus. And his hit imagine with lyrics, imagine theres no countries and no religion, too. Chapman wrote his own words imagine John Lennon Dead. The defendant claimed that he was offended by the statement that john lennon had made that the beatles had become more popular than jesus christ. It was an offthecuff comment made during an interview in 1966, but it caused a lasting furor. A number of people in the bible belt young and old took this comment to be oh, youre bigger than jesus, youre bigger than god, this is blasphemy and how dare you say Something Like this. He was totally misquoted what he meant to say was more people paid attention to the beatles than paid attention to jesus. And he was only making an observation about that, not putting any context to it. Or not saying that was a good thing or a bad thing. The beatles weather the storm. But in 1970, the band breaks up and lennon embarks on a solo career with his new wife, yoko ono. A year later, the lennons move to new york city and take up residence at the fabled dakota apartments. The dakotas Gothic Facade had been featured in the film rosemarys baby. It was home to the worlds most famous actors and musicians. I think they viewed america as being a breath of fresh air for them at that time. Little did they know what trouble awaits them. In new york, john and yoko adopted a high profile, politically and musically. It drew the attention and ire of the nixon administration. In the early 70s, the United States government began a campaign against john lennon to silence him. They were really concerned that he would influence young people voting in the 1972 election. And they didnt want that to happen. They were conducting surveillance operations. They were monitoring him. Cars would follow him around. They did the whole intelligence enchilada. After nixon was driven from office by the watergate scandal, the pressure on lennon let up and by 1975, he had withdrawn from the public eye. He was not in hiding. He was not a recluse. What he was doing was devoting full time to raising his son sean. That was his priority. During those days, lennon and ono became familiar figures in their neighborhood. He liked the informality of new york, he like the architecture. He liked the ability to walk. You you hear stories of john lennon walking down the street and people would walk up to him. Like whats it like to walk in manhattan. He loved new york because people didnt bother him. In new york, they respected his privacy and say, hey, john, hows things going, theyd shake his hand and say john, i like your music or something. But they didnt pester him. In november 1980, lennon emerged from retirement with an release of Double Fantasy, an album he recorded with ono. Lennon had just turned 40. To many, it seemed john lennon had entered a promising new phase but this image of a happy contented husband and father would only serve to enrage a young man in hawaii. A oncedevoted fan Mark David Chapman. He was in the house, sitting naked in front of his Stereo Listening to really loud beatles music and invoking satan to help him have the power to kill john lennon. At zales. The Diamond Store well, well, well. Look at you. You mastered the master bath. You created your own style. And you yes, you turned a sourdough starter into a sourdough finisher. 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There was nothing that we learned from the extensive interviews and investigation of the defendants background that suggested that was much different than any other 25yearold person. At least on the surface. Chapman grew up in georgia, the older of two children in what seemed like a typical suburban family. The defendant claimed in interviews with psychiatrists that he had a rough childhood and had a less than ideal relationship with his father, but there is nothing of his background of such an extreme or extraordinary nature that would suggest some sort of latent insanity or Mental Disease or defect caused by some childhood trauma. After high school, chapman begins to drift through a series of jobs and halfhearted attempts at college. In 1977, he flies to hawaii where he plans to kill himself, and he reportedly tries twice, but fails. Chapman stays in hawaii. Over the next three years, he is hospitalized at least once, gets married, takes a job in a print shop, then quits. And goes to work as an unarmed Security Guard at a luxury, highrise condo. He is obsessed with jd salingers Catcher In The Rye. Chapman identifies closely with the books Protagonist Halden Caufield who rails against the phonies he encounters. Chapman claims that by the summer of 1980, he was coming unhinged. J. D. Salinger who has been reclusive for years wrote the Catcher In The Rye and read by and admired by millions, and i wonder what he must be thinking if he is watching this. In 1992, larry king interviewed mark Henry Chapman via remote feed from aica prison. Mark, why are you blaming a book . I am blaming myself for crawling inside of the book. I want to say that j. D. Salinger and Catcher In The Rye did not cause me to kill john lennon. In fact, i wrote j. D. Salinger i got his box number from someone, and i apologized to him for this. In october 1980, chapman turns his resentment against phonies towards john lennon when he reads an article about the upcoming release of Double Fantasy. This thing started with the dakota, im angry at seeing him on the dakota. And i say to myself, that phony, that bastard, i got that mad, i took the book home to my wife and i said, look, hes a phony. This is his calendar from December Of 79 to december of 80. It leads you through the manic months before his death. Writer jim gaines spent hundreds of hours between 1984 and 1985 interviewing mark chapman. And you can see it becomes crazier and crazier with crossingsout and things to do. Chapman told gaines, his mind had been like a war zone occupied by opposing forces he described as the big people and the Little People. He had a whole population of Little People living in his head. To whom he gave instructions who had meetings about what his activities should be. I mean, it was extreme. Seething with anger, chapman buys a fiveshot. 38 revolver. The gun was traced by new york authorities to jns enterprises, a gun shop a block away from the Honolulu Police department. A Sales Receipt shows the gun was purchased by mark chapman october 27th of this year. It shows chapman paid 197 in cash for the gun. Just before buying the gun, chapman had quit his job as a Security Guard when he signed out for the last time, he inscribed the name john lennon in the condominiums log book, then crossed it out. Six days later on october 29th, mark chapman flies to new york city. Armed with the gun he bought in hawaii, he stakes out the dakota, waiting for his chance to take revenge on the hero he believes has betrayed him. But john lennon is not the only potential victim, chapman, it seems, has backups. So he brought the gun with him, came to new york. And had planned at that point to kill someone who was a celebrity in order to bring attention to himself. Lennon wasnt his only target. He had a list of substitute targets, if you will. If he couldnt get to lennon, he would have attempted to kill walter cronkite, johnny carson, george c. Scott, Jackie Kennedy onassis or marlon brando. Any of these people were his potential targets after lennon. Lennon was his first choice. Even so, chapmans agenda included a wild scheme to kill scott while the actor was on stage at a broadway show. The defendant said he had front row seats, and his plan was to stand up in the middle of the show, takeis gun, and fire into into the body of george c. Scott. It wasnt a particularly adroit plan because he was told that in new york, you cannot buy bullets for your gun. After two weeks in new york, chapman flies back to hawaii. He reveals to his wife hes obsessed with john lennon and plans to kill him. She convinces chapman to make an appointment with a psychologist but he doesnt keep it. 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