The white house is still there. I think about the wonderful times we had. And 40 miles a week which is a lot. Thinking about the good times that we had and how thankful i am now to have the superb bipartisan support existed in the seventies. Is there republican in the congress or senate that you enjoyed working with that you became friends with . Howard baker from tennessee was a minority leader and was a great personal friend of mine i got wonderful cooperation from the republican side and a minority leader the house of representatives also a great supporter of mine so during the last couple of years i was in the white house so they took away a lot of very liberal democrats with a moderate and conservative democrats and republicans. What about sam nunn . That is very important. He was a young senator then and was my floor leader on some of the key issues applied to nuclear power. He was very knowledgeable about it and working his way up to be chairman later on of the Defense Committee in the senate but besides being a friend in the legislature working very closely with me both made it very difficult which is the most courageous what i believe they have ever cast 20 senators voted for the panama canal they run for reelection that year and then only seven of them came back into the senators that voted with me but herman was later defeated in the next election one of the reasons was because he voted for the panama canal treaty it was very unpopular at the time. Host Walter Mondale had to be the deciding vote. It required a two thirds vote we had to get 67 that is what took so long with a large number of republicans to vote for it in spite of the fact that at that time Ronald Reagan was making a crusade against the panama canal treaty. Why do you feel reagan and john wayne and those conservative leaders were so vehemently opposed . One reason he disliked reagan very much. John wayne dead and also he had been to panama several times and he knew the leader. So john wayne knew me quite early he would be in favor of the treaty and wrote a letter accordingly which i used with maximum advantage with the opposition against ronald reaga reagan. Host did you talk to talmage that it burned him out . Do you feel you pushed the canal issue to quickly . During the early stages of Dwight Eisenhowers term. With the unfair treaty back in the early 19 hundreds and when johnson was in office they had a big altercation and a group of people were killed. And they wrote diplomatic relations with the United States and they organize the third world powers because the panama canal treaty was signed in the middle of the night i think john haywood was secretary of state and they never saw the treaty was negotiated by a frenchman who had been to panama in 18 years but it was a treaty from the very beginning. You went back to panama as the expresident to call noriega out as a fraudulent election. Do you feel the fact you are the architect gave you a credibility in the last of Central America and latin america . No doubt. As a left office one of the very first important elections was in panama and noriega was the head of the military and natural car on National Guard was a cook and tried to steal the election and stuff the ballot box. I knew it was stuff and then announced the whole election was fraudulent. When they tried to qualify the National Guardsmen on noriegas orders but they never took office. And eventually of course he was arrested and put in prison for a long time. And then that was an honest and Fair Election in this hemispher hemisphere. You think noriega should still be in prison . He served his time. He was there for 40 years. But he has been rearrested because some abuses he perpetrated against the citizens of france. He was extradited to france to be tried on another crime after he was finally serving his term. Host has he reached out in any way . No. Hes not my friend. [laughter] but he was one that at that time we were innovators. Now we just finished our 81st election this month in new guinea. So we have done major elections in the palestinian area when they changed into those democracies. And then i have to give noriega credit. [laughter] because i had to denounce him as a kirk. [laughter] host tell me talking about the white house you are jogging and in the white house diaries and on the campaign trail going to texas you say youre going on a jog and then when you are inaugurated you do the famous walk. What was the idea of walking come about . One of the senators was talking about physical fitness and suggested walking would be a symbolic gesture and at the time i could see there was a great deal of distrust and animosity between the people of america and the government of washington just like this past election with the tea party with a lot of disillusionment with washington. So we discussed it and decided we would walk just to show we trusted the American People. Back in those days we had just experienced of the disgrace of watergate and vietnam. Not too long before that kennedys were assassinated and Martin Luther king junior. So what the caa had perpetrated crimes against elected leaders for those who did not approve of the politics so it caused americans to doubt the government and the confidence of the government i wanted to walk down pennsylvania avenue to show i was one of them and they could have trusted me is to make use to mention douglas hes to do walks around the canal. Did you ever thank you would run around dc your was that too hard with secret service . Sometimes i would jog in other areas. For instance we laid out a 7mile jogging area inside the white house grounds several laps through the rose garden and that sort of thing and then on the weekends we would jog at camp david but the canal was the best place. And then became a National Park sponsored by douglas. It is 108 miles from Downtown Washington all the way to west virginia. And the canal in the potomac region was very important that there was a 12foot wide path to pull the barges down the canal. Host of all aspects of your presidency that will be treated well is jimmy carter as a conservationist to create the department of energy but also solar panels on the white house. With that part were you upset that reagan took them down . I was. There is a difference of philosophy between american between me and reagan i thought we are showing our excessive dependence on foreign oil so as i worked to get that package passed and i did before i went out of office in fact when i was inaugurated we were importing eight. 6 Million Barrels of oil per day and within five years because of my Energy Policy we reduce that by half. And then he said america doesnt have to conserve. We can use as much as we want to we are the city on the hill. s and so we will do away with these foolish things that president carter imposed on the American People as constraints. I put the solar panels on the white house. There were 36 to provide hot water but also it was symbolic to the people and as soon as reagan was in office he removed the solar panels and said its a waste of money and a waste of time. I believe a Small College in maine purchased those 36 panels and they started a crusade about one year ago finally convinced obama to put solar panels back on the white house. Then this year i was in china now the largest producer is in china they bought one of the panels that used to be on the white house. So when i was over there they should be the panel. Host do you still like the idea of solar are you studying wind power . What we used to call alternate sources of energy not oil primarily that but to reduce the dependence on foreign sources is the major focus of my goal. So we put into law we required motors and refrigerators and stoves to be made highly efficient and a stamp put on every one with a degree of efficiency so not to waste energy we passed laws requiring houses to be insulated for the first time. And we also imposed very severe constraints on automobile efficiency but unfortunately we left a loophole in that so the president could back out of it and then of course when he came into office he backed out. So when obama came the efficiency of automobiles was down almost as low as when i went into office so there are things you never dreamed the president would do with reagan and his successors did to waste energy but the laws are still on the books. Do you worry the industrial military complex in the eisenhower Farewell Speech . What do you do to control the industry better why do they have so much power . What can americans do. The oil industry and others extremely rich, unbelievably rich and influencing congress. And National Elections were president. They put as much money as they could into campaigns. This includes us like the energ energy. One of the most stupid things the Supreme Court had ever done was last january and took off all limits on corporations to make contributions to political campaigns and then remove the requirement so now even in this election in 2002 theres been a massive influx of money from corporations without the donors to be identified so that is what has happened with the election and it changes the whole character of american politics. For instance when i was running up against gerald ford and four years later against reagan, we never dreamed of using a negative commercial we looked at each other as a distinguished opponent. The reason for the escalation and now the universal use of negative advertising is because of the enormous influx of money. And then they spent a lot of that to destroy the reputation of their opponent and it happens on both sides. Not just republicans democrats do it to. Although the American People disagree it continues. By the time the election is over one of the candidate prevail prevails, but both sides have convince the public that neither candidate was worthy of holding office. By the time they get to washington and they still carry that highly bipartisan animosity. That do not prevail at all when reagan was first elected they had a wonderful bipartisan support now there is no such thing congress is much more polarized even in the months preceding because as you know im on some major programs that president obama put forward heating get one single republican vote in the house or senate so republicans have acted almost completely irresponsibly during the first few months of president obamas term. After this election may will have some responsibility because now they control the house this will be an improvement over what it has been up until now. Host what about the start treaty . Its wonderful treaty is good for europe, the United States come it starts a downward trend of the excessive arsenals of nuclear weapons. In an ordinary time when i was in office or even with george w. Bush it would have been approved by the majority of us senators. But with this boycott you could say republicans are against obama and they are preventing him from being reelected in 2012. He will be lucky to get enough republican votes to put him ove over. Host what should president obama do at this point . Use executive power or somehow find a way to work with congress . If you were congress in this climate what card will aid you play . What he is likely to do in the next two years to be much more resolved and determined to stick with what he wants to get done and to stop trying to induce very few republicans to support his position. He will not permit and extension of the tax breaks for people that are very rich. I think he ought to do that and when he said hes going to do and then with the extension of the bush tax reductions to those who make less than 250,000 per year. And then one vote only and not permit any possibility of extending the reductions for the very rich. If he does things like that he could have success but only when he used it very well known technique that george w. Bush had used like reconciliation but that plays tough now democrats say they will do better in 2012 speaking as a democrat if he hangs tough and i think he will. Back to conservation by december 1980 you had a remarkable Land Conservation act over 50 million acres it will be legacy as the world gets more populated your name and conservation will be on that short list with Lyndon Johnson and fdr. What happened . How are you able to succeed so wildly so high in the conservation field . First of all it took me almost four years to do it. I memorized enough of alaska. Halfway through i saw we were not going to get support from the two alaskans senators. So my associate came up with the idea of using a bill from the early 19 hundreds, 19 oh seven, designed to save monuments. And thinks those for the future should be preserved he gave the president almost unilateral right to do so. So we set legislation on large areas of land designated as National Monuments is nothing that congress could do to override my decisions than what we set aside is National Monuments in alaska and other places was as large as the state of michigan. Host did you actually have a map of alaska . Absolutely. In the house the very famous house member who was my partner and others in the senate but we would sit around the table with maps and say this is precious so i would set it aside to say that and then set it aside permanently as a national monument. Although the original bill reflected a specific area but we use that is areas are precious land and it was that leverage that i used from the congressman from alaska and also the alaska lands bill and then it prevaile prevailed. When i was defeated in the it election and 80 thats when it passed. We set another area aside almost as large as the state of california. We doubled the size of the National Park service and triple the size of the wilderness areas in america with that one bill. All the very unpopular than in alaska because senators convince them i was taking away land now its one the most popular things i did even with the alaskan people because they see how much it meant to them. Host what about the drill baby drill and and more refuge . Do you think that should ever be allowed to have oil . Never. Host have you been there . Absolutely. Host why do you say never if people say its empty tundra with nothing there . This is a 140,000 animals when they cs they would split and go by there was a wolf then that had 30 walls and and just off the coast of northern alaska where we observed a group of muskrats and then when deserved they formed a circle to protect the females and the cavs and then we go fishing in alaska quite often, flyfishing so i have become quite familiar with alaskan the state parks up there. There is a tremendous pressure from the Oil Companies to bribe members of congress to save anwr this beautiful area up there and to make it available for exploration from oil. This was set aside by president eisenhower in the 19 fifties. I just preserved what he pushed aside and thats what alaska became a state. When i left office the only way you could do that if the president both houses of congress voted to let Oil Exploration be done in anwr i never dreamed we would have a president that would do so by president reagan and h. W. Bush and president george w. Bush tried and sometimes came within two or three votes to get that required legislative support. I hope that never happens. Over time i think more americans are realizing we need to preserve the special area. Host what about offshore drilling . Shall wants to drill offshore. I dont think so. Thats for the islands are in the musk ox are up in that region. When we passed the alaska lands bill in late 1980 we opened 95 percent of all coastal areas for oil drilling this 5 percent is a special area where they are prohibited for oil drilling. I think 5 percent is not too much to save because it is just like god made it. Host why do you feel sarah palin is part of her discourse . Is at her personality or have you ever met her or have any views what she is contributing . Ive never met her but obviously ive watched television i think shes one of the most dynamic and attractive speakers we have ever seen. She knows how to appeal to a crowd, shes extremely eloquent, she has a very clearcut political philosophy that she expresses and them appeals highly to a group of supporters but within the Republican Party and the tea party element, she will be a formidable candidate if she decides to run in 2012. I would not be surprised if she gets the republican nomination. However even within the Republican Party, the majority of republicans dont think shes qualified to be president. But she does have the capability as the extreme outsider, maybe to get the nomination. Host any connection to yourself . Shes a governor, you are a governor, and the odds seemed very odd and came out of nowher nowhere. Iowa and New Hampshire in the peanut brigade. Obviously coming from the democratic side, do you see any connection with what shes trying to do . Not really. I finished my term as governor. [laughter] host reagan never quit you never quit will that hurt her . I think a large group of supporters dont hold that against her. She has proven that. I dont see any parallel. But i do see a parallel between the times when i went for president in 76 in this past year with the Tea Party Movement because this group of wellmeaning people in my opinion who are completely dissatisfied with whats happening in washington and i had the same kind of benefit against Wonderful Group of other candidates who are my opponents most us senators and very distinguished. And i could present the bill primarily because i kept eyes on the satisfaction is the driving force from the tea party. Host looking toward the iranian hostage crisis eventually they all came home do you ever hear from them . Yes. Quite often when i go on a book tour normally one or two will send word ahe