Are profiteering on the back of migrants. Can you talk about that is one of the opening points in your book . The work you are doing is so important to in my in the American Public about the vice grip the cartels have at the border. So one of the things that is really important to eliminate in chapter one is the Caravan Cartel that they could not do it alone not just to have explicit conspiratorial is out there to make billions of dollars of profit to endanger lives and wreaking violence and havoc but the fact that benevolent charities and religious organizations that may think they are doing good deeds and of course we know about the kinds of roads that good intentions pay but those religious organizations on both sides of the border are enabling the drug cartels to make as much cash as they do. We have seen the ill legal alien caravans come into your state and beyond. And the support money that subsidize the shelter networ network, especially churchgoers is from their own pockets and collection plates they think of helping their neighbors and Homeless People in their communities. But it goes straight to the network and i name many of the shelters all the way into the interior of the United States that are subsidized by the Catholic Church the jesuits and others and in concert with nongovernmental organizations like Doctors Without Borders to create those magnets and pull factors that they exploit. You are making a great point. So what i would like to explore further is the extent to which the cycle of smuggling and cartels are at the central operational control. And how it works a lot of people dont understand the extent to which people are driven off and cartels for profit with illicit organizations is a 2 million for the profit they were making not narcotics but people and the way they do it is exploiting the laws the asylum lies but i know that you know a lot about and they come across the border and then people are brought across by Border Patrol to go straight to the ngo and all of this is completing the cycle of smuggling can you talk about that exploitation . It hits the nail on the head because your average news consumer even if wellinformed has the impression they tried to evade and you know thats not true they are marching right up to the station because they have been coached not just along the route that they hear it on the radio in their home country so word spreads fast and quickly and we know now its not just Central America all these african migrants as well has been coached and what is alarming congressman, people around the world are far more informed about Immigration Law and then next and bolts on the nuts and bolts of how it works that what the American People are about the rules and the laws that are to protect us. See you have illegal alien parents that are already here. May be protected status 25 years ago with an earthquake in el salvador. Temporary is never temporary in a country with open borders and then they have the children back home they pay a coyote to bring across the negative the final passage everybody makes money. That they have these ngos who get their own cut of the profit so what is most offensive to people understand the way this works this is a global human smuggling racket to operate under the umbrella of compassion while they accuse the rest of us to be racist and heartless it always comes up about we are in a wrap themselves in the mantle of the flag that isnt in the constitution of the United States and if you look even and the statue of liberty doesnt calling it resettling in the entire world. You raise a lot of important points so i want to close the loop on the consequences. He mentioned that humanitarian reality and endangerment and vargas was murdered last summer thankfully the person that perpetrated that crime was just prosecuted and found guilty but this is a reality in america but also the migrants who come here were abused those with the illicit organizations when you said the important part about compassion this is that open borders is good for migrants it is empowering these organizations but if you talk about these in your book into your point on the on a different chapter. I agree that a massive systemic exploitation of innocent people who want better lives for themselves and their children, it breaks my heart. The number of ponds in the cruel and inhumane game of open borders is incalculable. It doesnt just stop at the border i lead in the dc swamp area and in Montgomery County area. But you could already see the signs of ms 13 taking over the Public Schools and local malls and it has gotten worse it is incredibly important to point out its not just american citizens that are victims but largely other members of the migrant communities that are victimized and raped and murdered. So what has caught my eye in the book i will Say Something that will shock you im a bald white guy. [laughter] and in chapter four of your book called hate machine the southern poverty law center. He is a lifetime Law Enforcement officer defending of orders and enforcing our laws, they call him a bigot. You see this all the time, can you speak to the on your perspective on what youve gone through in your life and why you take particular offense to that. Yes i want to go back to my very first appearance on cspan in 2002 when i came out with my very first book invasion on the first Year Anniversary of the september 11 terrorist attack, we are talking to each other on the 18th anniversary of those attacks. It was because of the love of the country that my immigrant naturalized American Parents inculcated in me that field me too write that book and now it is 17 years later coming back to the topic and really flushing out the global financing in this immigration chaos. The idea that you have an entire infrastructure that is hellbent on demonizing and smearing every Immigration Enforcement advocate, every group out there that does the research and tells the truth about the negative impacts on our culture, on our schools, on a Public Health system and welfare, but a low national security. It is really daunting because you realize these are not random people tossing out these smears. It is very well focused rated and very wellfunded. In a large part it is coming from groups that enjoy taxexempt nonprofit status. The chapter that i wrote on the Sovereign Poverty Law Center startup the way that you read because i encountered this mere machine very early on, now everybody is aware of it with a large number of d platform in that we are seeing a prominent conservatives, independents, Trump Supporters and other organizations that have found success on the internet. But very early on it was immigration that motivated groups like the national council, the Antidefamation League and a number of subgroups under the umbrella of the open Society Foundation to come up with their own guidebook. A book of code words that youre not allowed to use and for me in 2006 or 2007, theres a video that attacked me for using the academic concepts every conquistador, the idea that demographically that many of the open border sources were able to overwhelm cities that they would amass electoral power. All you have to do is look at the numbers and see that is happening. But to talk about it without being labeled a conspiracy theorist is nearly impossible these days and it helps that of tlc which itself is a highly discredited organization that even mainstream liberals in magazines like feeling sick have completely exposed and now you have internal whistleblowers who have talked about harassment and Racial Discrimination within the organization. The poverty should no longer be quoted by any Mainstream Media organization and yet cnn and the Washington Post continue to confer upon it absolute moral authority to be able to judge you as a white supremacist even if they have a brown skin as idea. I wonder, you spent a lot of time down on our southern border and i will obviously. Out to rio county which is 100 miles from the rio grande along the laredo sector. I spent a lot of time in laredo, you have two, you been to the border in texas, arizona, new mexico, california and i wonder if your perspective is the same as mine. It is often brought out, the charge of theres a racist tinge to believing in Border Security. I have two thoughts on that, i want to get your feeling on it. One look at the brave men and women on Border Control and has one agent who is on diaper patrol instead of Border Patrol who are so overwhelmed another agency there in a sector where they only have three guys and gals on the line trying to protect a 70mile stretch with a 2mile stretch of 70 miles in laredo where you can drive a car alongside the river. You cannot see the river through the king, you dont have a cell signal. Were asking to do the impossible. Heres my point the majority of the board of report patrol officers that i have come engage with i believe are hispanic, hispanic americans who believe that border is part of our sovereignty. That the rule of law matters. Thats why people seek to come here. That would be one point, the second point with respect to the rhesus charge. How is it somehow good for people of any color to be abused on a journey coming here and have open borders that empower the Legal Organization to be stressed earlier in the show and how is that a good thing from a race standpoint at all. On the first point i agree with you. I cut my q newspaper journalism in los angeles in the early 1990 and not only did i report on the perspective of american citizens and lawabiding and organs who were Early Morning about immigration chaos in the state and trying to take control the back then. But of course started building on many sources on the Border Patrol and ice then i moved up to the seattle time and was able to speak the perspective of Border Patrol agents in deportation and removal officers who worked on the northern part of the border. We spent so much time talking about the southern border and they neglect when they see themselves as doormats for the world and in large part harboring islamic extremist groups that can traipse across the northern border because all that is stopping them are orange rubber crohns, it is alarming and they have been under seas for a long time. Congress and the washington swamp Pay Lip Service to wanting to fund the more and increase their ranks but they have been purposely turned into as you say a diaper patrol because too many special interest dont want them to do their job effectively and another important point you make, the Border Patrol agents come from all backgrounds and in all colors, brown, white, black, yellow. Many of course in the southern border sectors are families that come from lawabiding hispanic families themselves. In colorado, my adopted home state, i visited the aurora and the ice ages there and the other people that work there from the private contractor, many of them are proud and recently naturalized americans who understand that to preserve the special gift of being able to become an american and you need a orderly system that is able to vent properly and decide do we want to lead in, who should stay here and how we should remove the people who do not belong here in the first place. I was about to move to business injure open border inc. , i cannot resist commenting on the overall situation. A group of folks stormed out the ice facility and turned upside down to abolish ice and raise the mexican flag. I went to that facility that saturday morning the day after that occurred in you and i talked about this. I went in there from 1200 people, i found tvs, i found ipads, i found three square meals a day, i found internet access, jims, hughes interesting point here point. There were people in the facility from 57 countries, 57 countries from around the world, pakistan, india, indonesia, this is not just a northern triangle in respect to mexico. Is worldwide and i remember when you tweeted the picture of you outside the rural facility and inspired me too do more in my own home state and not long after labor day just recently, we had a stand with ice rally that drew 200 people on a holiday. There is a hunger and a thirst among citizens to show their support in a way that has not been done until now and was so many of the ice facilities under siege being lied about with agents being docked and harassed which i talk about in the book in chapter five which i call the 18, abolish ice in antifa, again this is will sensitize and underwritten by forces that are hospital and what is actually going on i was stunned on congressman and you these detainees and many criminal aliens, repeat offenders and deeper patient fugitives who have free access to lexisnexis. They have telepsychiatry appointments, fullservice pharmacy and Colorado State department of corrections phil sees, those that dont have a fraction of these amenities and if you believe the hysteria driven squad its absolutely ridiculous the incitement to violence is not just speculation. In all the targets and the shots that were fired in san antonio, the cocktail throwing at the cis office in florida, and obviously attacked by the antifa in tacoma. If they had fallen on the other side, this would be declared an epidemic in congressional hearings out the walls do of how to prevent the epidemic of violence from continuing. You make a great point, i will add one more point about the ice facilities, one consequence of the massive influx, almost 900,000 people who have been apprehended since last october 1, that is not counting apprehended as you know. 600,000 have been caught and released. A huge number that we have to find a place to put them, where are they going, theyre going to ice facilities. When i was at the facility in aurora, i was told that 80 of the 1200 are people who had come across the southern border recently, what does that mean to your point, criminals, were not being able to do as much interior enforcement because we dont have a place to put them, by interior enforcement, were talking about hardened criminals, dangerous people, people engaging in battery or assault or murder or whatever it might be and having a tougher time doing our job because theyre all overwhelmed, Border Patrols overwhelmed and ice is overwhelmed. I wish we could shout it from the rooftop, every single day. The problem is when we talk about the policy consequences, these are hitting cost, it is not just a viral photo of you nella sanchez that you can photoshop onto a time cover and exploits this ability to tell the visceral stories but we can tell the stories of the hidden impact of other types of victims of crimes that we cannot know about in the displacement and places like the aurora ice facility of hardened criminal repeat aliens like you say with these people who are searched across the border and enabled by the ngos and the entire open border that i have exposed. I moved away from Montgomery County to colorado thinking it was escaping in the point for Everyday Americans across the country, there is no safe space for open border inc. You cannot be more right, the mayor of texas in san antonio did a press conference in san antonio. Because of the dangers that are now posed, 50, 60, 70 miles from the border, we have a real impact for folks. Its in colorado and Montgomery County. And people are coming here illegally from the northern triangle. In the book is titled open orders inc. , there is a correlation in a tie to the Business Community, one thing i said before, i think we shoul should its wrong to stand on the rio grande with a no trespassing sign but then wink wink, nod nod hold up a help wanted sign. We do that a lot in this country we need to have a robust conversation of whats actually going on. You talk about big business, amazon and how that plays into all of this. In fact most of the Silicon Valley overlords have their own vested interest if not nearly virtue signaling to spread money around to the racist project in texas that provides Pro Bono Legal services to illegal alien family members, i suppose the problem would not be so intractable. But for a lot of the Silicon Valley companies and i wrote about this is the focus of my last book sold out with a former American Software programmer turned lawyer for american it workers who have been harmed by the cheap labor pipelines from china and india. They are explosive goals are to bring in as many cheap laborers as they can who outsource the work. The problem of course, a lot of the Silicon Valley companies have invited the f tlc into their inner chambers to help them identify their worst political opponents into d platform them and completely throttle them from telling the truth. It is connecting the dots of the money, tim cook and jeff bezos have donated to many of these deeppocketed nonprofit organizations that are crusading for illegal alien rights, you wonder how it is that they have instant representation in court to sue over every last Trump Initiative to enforce the law. So big business and the u. S. Chamber of commerce are