Transcripts For CSPAN2 Jim Mattis Call Sign Chaos 20240713 :

Transcripts For CSPAN2 Jim Mattis Call Sign Chaos 20240713

Full house before i start i want to give a few housekeeping item items. We are more than happy to have you take photos but please turn the flash off and put your cell phones on silent. If you want to post anything on social media please tag politics prose and gw events. I am the partner manager at politics and prose and want to thank all of you for coming out on a vent we are out with George Washington University Joint venture also to bring jim mattis in conversation tonight. First a few other Exciting Events coming up in partnership with gw september 11 we have an event with Malcolm Gladwell it is a live recording of a podcast on npr on september 12 and james comey on september 16 septembe september 24 we will discuss the year of the marquis. We hope to see you at some of them this month. Secretary jim mattis a Pacific Northwest nave it is serving for decades at the marine infantry officer following two years of secretary of defense he returned to the northwest and is now distinguished fellow at the Hoover Institution at stanford. Callsign chaos is the account of his career through wide ranging leadership roles in three worst ultimately commanding a quarter of a million troops across the middle east. Along the way he recounts the foundational experiences as a leader exacting the lessons he has learned about the nature of war fighting and peacemaking and allies and the strategic dilemmas now facing our nation. He makes it clear why america must return to a strategic footing not just to continue to win battles but fight wars. Mattis divides his book into three parts of direct leadership executive leadership and strategic leadership in the first part he recalls his Early Experiences leading marines into battle when he knew his troops as brothers in the second part he knows what it means to commit thousands of troops to ensure the intent is understood by the most junior troops so they can form their own mission. In the third part he describes the challenges and techniques of leadership at the strategic level where millet terry leaders reconcile wars with the grim reality of the human aspirations the complexity rains and the consequences are severe or catastrophic. Callsign chaos is a memoir of a life of war fighting and Lifelong Learning as he rises from recruit to fourstar general a journey about learning to lead and a story how he threw constant study and action developed a unique leadership philosophy making him into the man he is today. General mattis will be in conversation tonight with david brooks political and cultural commentator and currently a commentator on cbs news hour and all Things Considered and meet the press the author of on paradise drive. March 2011 he came out with his third book social animal. Which was number one New York Times bestseller and the latest will not stop flying off the shelves published in april. Please help me to welcome to the to the stage. [applause]. The first time i have ever seen an author work the crowd before the event. [laughter] that the campaign has begun. [laughter] there are many surprises i loved reading your book. And there are many bet the first was that you are hitchhiking around the west at age 13. Give us the basic facts about your family but give us the emotional tone. What kind of house did you grow up in quebecs military quick. No. I was not brought up in a military family at all. We liked being outdoors we would go camping on weekends. My mother and father traveled the world as young people my father was a merchant marine for 15 years my mother was in the army g2 cryptoclerk in south africa working there at the consulate so the world was a place to be explored they didnt know i was hitchhiking. But it was a more trusting time you could be picked up by the crosscountry truck driver in the afternoon not knowing where you would stop that night or those coming off duty they would drive you to the next town it was a great education. You are not the most devoted student in high school or college but you are one of the hardest working people i have ever met but when did that kick in quick. I never thought of what i have done was work but just enjoyment of being around the people but i wanted to be outdoors and explore the world. But i dont think i was much of a student because it seemed to structure to me and everybody has a different way of learning. When you join the marines everybody has to read certain books. There is a reading list when you make corporal there is a new reading list and with sergeant guess what heres another progressive a matter of fact when generals make general there is a new reading list to go back to work. They werent interested in your midlife crisis when you dont have time to do the reading. They were adamant so little by little i didnt like a lot of the jobs in the marines but i loved being around the young infantrymen who would do the dirtiest jobs in the most dangerous i learned to hate minefields at age 21 but i loved being around Young Marines who would crawl there to bite their lip still in their teens probing for something they did not want to find because if they misted their buddy would get killed. The only way i stuck around that lowpaying outfit is i like those young see others in marines who made up the units. This book is almost a love letter to the marine corps when you are in with the troops especially infantry you can feel your happiness. Hanging around 7111 day and then it turns into something different. First of all we are all volunteers so i came in at a time i probably would not have joined. I cant say that for sure but i probably would not have if not for the draft. You had to go. That was all there was to it. You could duck out but you dont want to look like youre not a man. s white will some went off to canada so we thought we would never be allowed to come home for parents anniversary or our brothers wedding. So you signed up to go do your duty and while there thats where i found the marines value valued. I ran an Obstacle Course once and another platoon ran through the fastest i realized i was going to be this guy easily because physical things came easy didnt give it everything i needed and i still beat him and then you climb the rope and touch the top. The Gunnery Sergeant laid into me you were giving it 100 percent. I am fed up with you he accused me of being a communist sent to destroy the marine corps. [laughter] let me make it clear young man. When you give 100 percent i will be 100 percent satisfied 90 percent 100 percent dissatisfied when somebody that big is inyourface you get the idea so you start learning about the word commitment and apply it whether your family or community or wherever you go that stays with you. Its a formative experience. Theres one passage in here where commitment to excellence is uncompromised and personal things are irrelevant. When i read that sentence i thought the last 60 years of American Culture just crumbled because personal sensitivity isnt making you feel bad is a high priority. Thats a good point. On the battlefield there is no secondplace much last night. You have got to win so you are brought up with a very grim set of skills by people who have been there and done it and are not really interested on why it cannot happen simply you have to carry through but pretty soon what carries you along you know everybody beside you will also be there when trouble looms they will come even at the risk of their life. It is humbling but is energizing your now part of something bigger than yourself and that is what expands you. It does not shrink you it expands you to have that. Earlier in your career you are running recruitment in your own area it sounds like you are working 80 hour weeks and an officer didnt want to do that and you bus to him and ended his career. What about Work Life Balance quick. There isnt but everybody does everything they can so you dont dump more of the work on someone else. And in this case i made it clear to the young man you can be a marine or a quitter but you cant be both i will not care more about your career then you do so tell me what you want to be. If you want to be a marine i will coach you and be with you all the way through he decided to test it but remember especially with the number of students who are here tonight you always want to help people but i wont waste my time and thats what i did 95 percent of my time in the marines i was a coach but i will not waste my time coaching someone who is not humble it is worthless just give it up. If they are not humble enough to recognize they need coaching if im not sure youre not then really you cant help them and any organization to become a leader you dont get to be a leader because you have a rank on your caller or a title on your Business Card your juniors determine if you are a leader and on the battlefield they will follow the 19 yearold if the 28 yearold doesnt know what they are doing. Just remember even jesus of nazareth had one out of 12 turned to crap on him. [laughter] i missed that part of the gospel. [laughter] did you have somebody who really coached you quick. I had to think about who are my mentors because now on the tour you look back the whole point of what worked for me not to follow blindly but to say does this make sense. When you are in the infantry you rise and fall on your nco with your sailors and marines hear the last officer in the chain of command to represent all the orders that have come down from those who are in our line of work to go into the killing zone. My first platoon sergeant was from the british indies and the caribbean. His name was Corporal Wayne Johnson he was only 21 years old and i was 21 at the same time. Of course with a name like Wayne Johnson everybody called him john wayne he was overseas for a long time he told me what not to do leave that alone let other people starting to handle it then i started to learn delegating and decisionmaking and responsibility. My second sergeant was also a corporal in the 1973 timeframe he was an immigrant from mexico in the same way, stern but yet who can get down to show a marine who was having trouble how to do something right i use to admire the way in a few sharp words could give someone to tension and turn them in the right direction, mostly spiritually and the physical and mental followed. Then a Staff Sergeant 15 years in the marine corps so i was also learning about the immigrant role in the us military and how they were overrepresented and it was broadening experience because somehow from my hometown 99 percent of the people were native born the military by its very nature will expand you in a way no other organization will in terms of diversity. Mentors come in all shapes and sizes and from all parts of the world. One thing that comes through the book is your affection for the marines i assume leading any size unit you have to be unpopular so you Close Friends with those around you or was there some distance between you and your command quick. I was taught that officers should come as close to the line that separates them and their troops as they can to be themselves without giving up 1 ounce of authority because there will come a time when the chips are down and you will have to point to someone and the enemy and tell them to go. And at that point everything in that young mans body will say dont get up. And you will need that authority. But you used a very critical word because it took me the word trust and respect if you dont have that as a leader that probably wont accomplish much. I knew the troops respected their leaders between 40 and 60 percent of those who tried to become officers but why were some units so good some 40 man platoons as good as 150 man infantry . It took me a long time to figure out the other word was affection in four months around it to start had 29 sailors and marines and informants all of them were killed or injured or wounded around me when you get around 50 percent in the sunni triangle is very tough fighting day in and day out. But what held them together wasnt affection for each other they would keep fighting the matter what happened affection is different the popularity. That brings favoritism thats why you see the military so anti anything to bring other impulses to inside combat assault units. Because to send them forward reading very old textbooks about one favoritism rotted a unit right out from underneath. So affection does not rest it is not about being popular making people get up and move when they dont want to telling them the first thing we have to do with a clean uniform is to jump in the mud puddle you want them to be reluctant to hit the deck youre not doing things that make you popular but that youve been honest with your troops and if they trust you they will stick with you for example deep inside city be watched boys taken half way through and the enemy is on the run and were told to pull out and then the Television Camera is put into someones face the reporter says this is terrible you must feel terrible you lost your buddies it is terrible now youre told to feel that he was a slow talking kid he just looked at the camera and said doesnt matter will hunt them down somewhere else and kill them. It shows the spirit of these young folks who sign up this blank check payable to all of you in this room to protect this experiment we call america but i would also tell you that if we had not been honest with that young man all along and kept him informed and if he didnt trust us he couldve said yet is terrible. And when morale goes down in a combat unit you know you will lose more people so affection builds on the trust and respect but not popularity. There was a grand study from 1940 that followed those from world war ii those colonels and majors and privates and to know what correlates with success it wasnt iq or socioeconomic status or courage but relationship with mother and they knew how to give it to their men with a deep emotional reservoir. You mentioned falluja this was the first battle which was an unpleasant moment you were given orders to take a town you didnt like being told to take it or stop what you started. How do you yourself march your men and women there are in operation you think is a mistake quick. To give some background, we were in a place the enemy was rising up what would be known as the sunni uprising against us. Had plenty of help and we were outnumbered and we were under troop caps so we cannot bring in additional troops even though they were waiting in southern california. Shortly after we took over the district from the Second Airborne Division foreign contractors in the battlefield used to be upset they wandered into a town called falluja and got killed and burned and bodies hung up and people were very angry. It was a tribal town so we knew we could get a hold of the tribal elements who basically to the people who had done and get the bodies back and find the people who had done it to hunt them down and kill them but going into their homes at night that sort of thing i didnt want to charge into a city of 350,000 people so after a couple of days of arguing about this i finally received the order to move in and stay and fight. My boss and the boss above him agreed with me that was a good fight they are called orders you dont have to like it use have to do it. Then what you have to do is say i will do this as well as if i thought of it you have to embrace it because going into that half way people will suffer. Only had two assault battalions innocent people as many evacuated as we could and then we went in swinging and i would tell you that the one qualification is im going but dont stop me. Deep inside the city they were had very effective Information Warfare with the artillery rounds crashing into falluja we never fired one i would have if we needed it but the helicopter gunships were giving us what we needed. But it was played as if we were doing that on abc and other networks i think they call them trailers so we were stopped deep inside the city and then we got order to pull back and thats when the young machine gunner was asked you just have to do the best you can because im on sometimes life doesnt go the way you want to go so you give 100 percent. How do you command a battle like that busting through walls and houses . How do you command quick. First of all layout very clearly what you want. The commanders intent is what it is called my aim is to destroy the terrorist stronghold inside falluja at the least cost to the innocent as possible and i want to move quickly with a two assault battalions and will bring them in as soon as possible but you must move fast enough they cannot resupply. We knew they had not gotten ready for the battle. Then you talk to the assault units and literally walk the line and pull them together in small groups and say ask questions that they ask and you go back and forth. If you could draw out of them what was concerning them inside then you would have the unit ready to go. That is the leaders job. If you train your people and they were very very well trained as assault units than you take your hands off the steering wheel. You give the initiative if you trust your young officers than they keep that social energy they call for the support and they do their job they will blow holes in the sides of buildings and go blow off the front gate. They know what they are doing. They know what they are doing. Either in the battlefield or somewhere else . Absolutely, you can feel it. You are trained to overcome it. Your body and mind will help you get through t through that and e things down. But the most important theres nothing strange about fear. Its going to be there. Its part opart ofevery fight. You are well enough trained but what drives you forward because you are probably going to be very, very tired i cannot even explain how tired you get in combat. Some of you here know what i am referring to. The fear is going to be coupled with a fatigue. Theres going to be also times of doom or acceleration going fourth moment by momenforth mome adrenaline is an thing and pretty soon you are pretty tired out and anyone can get tired enough that it just doesnt work that what keeps you going really is the affection, the love for one another that i dont care what happens, im not going to please him uncovered until you are back up on your knees firing for your body and the muscle memory kicks in. Memories are good at socializing people at the level of commitment wh

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