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[background sounds] [inaudible conversations] >> host: gary shapiro, this year's ces, what are some of the buzz products? >> guest: well, ces 2018 is pretty big, and products, you know, there's a lot of focus on artificial intelligence in many different ways. so we have the smart speakers which, you know, alexa and google home. obviously, google's huge here, but we're talking about other products into the home and the car. we're also talking about artificial intelligence in another way, and that is smart cities. we have a big focus on smart cities for the first time. we have the secretary of transportation here talking about it and a lot of different groups focusing on it. and that's not about the consumer, this is in a sense of business to government, business to those investing and making our lives and cities better because two-thirds of the population will live in cities soon compared to one-third in 1960. other big things, of course, is we continue that movement toward self-driving cars. we know we're getting there, there's more and more companies involved, there's more and more demos and, of course, there's car introductions. we had a major phone introduction here. smartphones are getting better designed, longer battery life, they're easier to use, some of them are even losing keyboards, things like that. a lot of systems in technology are occurring and robotics, of course. that's one that will continue to grow every year, and it makes sense because robotics and smartphones and internet of things, as we get older, we need technological solutions for a lot of things, and that's one of the ways we will be able to take care of our parents and ourselves, frankly. >> host: we've spent a lot of time over in the robotics area of this convention. it's grown enormously. >> guest: of course robotics will grow. since i was a kid reading science fiction, this has been the future. robotics are growing in not only what they can do, but they're becoming more human-like, if you will. and they're going to learn what we like. right now a robot, their single function, they were a little awkward and bumpy, they're kind of like an old-and-a-half basal device. but -- navigational device. they're learning it better and better and know what we like. >> host: one of the other themes that we've found here is 5g, the advent of 5g. >> guest: certainly, the world is going to 5g. the u.s. has to be part of that. that's very significant and important. 5g will give you 100 times the speed to download a movie or to watch something. and it'll also give you close to zero latency which is the gap between sending and receiving. think about how important 5g to be part of the self-driving equation. when life or death matters whether your car communicates with another one or sees a pedestrian and responds, we need redun redundancy, and 5g part of the solution. it's also part of the solution to get broadband to the rural parts of america. it won't be the most expensive to put into place, it'll get a lot of information very quickly to people and allow all americans to become part of the developed world, if you will. >> host: we've talked about several of products here, but where's the policy and the regulation that goes to those products? >> guest: well, with 5g specifically we have to invest in infrastructure, we have to make sure the spectrum's there, we have to encourage economies, we have to finish the standardization process. with self-driving cars, under the obama and trump administrations, it's been the same forward momentum, the same vision of a world as secretary chao said at ces with where disabled and elderly people will be empowered and the rate of human error-caused action will go down dramatically saving thousands of lives and hundreds of thousands of injuries each year. >> host: sometimes when you come out to ces it looks like a car show in portions of it. >> guest: wedgier certainly this year we've grown about 27% in the size of our show. it's about 300,000 square feet for cars. vehicle technology as we politely say. and it is, the truth is the entire -- we're not a car, we're not selling cars to the public. this isn't this year's model we're pushing, we're pushing the possibilities in the future in a sense. a lot of the infrastructure johnson controls, qualcomm, intel, others are saying this is what we can do in the future, this is where we can go. so the entire ecosystem is here and, of course, the car companies themselves they're seeing it, they're also getting their own visibility, looking at their own concept cars. the technology world is not a world where you can be a single company and do great things. you have to partner with other companies. that's why we get the innovation leaders from around the world, because in four days they can see everyone they need to see that would take them several months otherwise to go around the world and meet with. >> host: gary shapiro, this is the first time we've seen you since the fcc's net neutrality rollback. i want to get your view and the view of cta on what they did. >> guest: well, it's a very complex, nuanced issue. i personally thought it was the right thing to do because the fcc change that happened just a couple years ago under the obama administration gave the fcc enormous powers it should not have. it should not have the power to regulate every device which hooks up to the internet including automobiles. the automobile companies and the technology companies that make stuff were concerned about this because we've seen depending who the political party is controlling the fcc, the things they could force on companies can totally block innovation and great development. i was part of the voluntary principals who worked so well for 18 years that we went around the fcc, convinced them to -- [inaudible] the broadband carriers agreed to provide and the companies that the internet uses, and even was happy with that. it worked great. and the truth is the different sides are not far apart even today. the republicans and democrats and broadband providers and broadband-using companies, they agree on net neutrality. it's the implementation that's wrong. and i think there's also agreement throughout america that what we really need is competition in broadband. in europe there's a hundred different companies providing telecommunications. their prices are a lot lower than us, and many some cases their speeds are better than ours. why is it? it's competition. we don't have that here. we need it. wi-fi provides a little bit of, fiber, fios through verizon, cable provides some of it, but we need as much competition as possible. and then the whole issue becomes so much less important because if there's any harm, if they could change their company out, it's not a problem. or if there is, even without that competition what could happen today is the ftc could step in, and congress would step in immediately. with or without this decision, the internet is not going to go away. my problem i've had with it is both sides have exaggerated so badly what's going to happen and concerned consumers that we are in a position now of, where there's people that have such malicious intent toward the present chairman of the fcc that he, his kids are being bothered, they're getting death threats. this is not american to go after a public official, who frankly, is a brilliant guy doing what he thinks is right with a lot of substance and nuance behind him and a lot of good people disagreeing on both sides, but the fringes and extremes are a reflection of a very bad direction that i believe the country should not be going in. >> host: what does it take to put on a show like this? >> guest: we plan so far ahead, and we try to focus on trends that we see in the future, and we aggressively reach out to have our own partners so we can see where the technology's going because wen't do everything -- we can't do everything. we also block out space in las vegas for the next 20 years, we have a full-time team of people who are aggressively around the world with, we want to guess the 60,000 people that come from outside the united states. it's important for the event, it's important for the las vegas economy, it's important for the companies that invest with global marketing budgets to be here and make it a great experience so the average person who comes here has over 32 meetings and is very, very efficient in what they do. >> host: ces takes over this city, and this is a city that's used toing have a -- used to having a lot of people here. >> guest: las vegas has more hotel rooms, we use everything we possibly can. we are thrilled we just broke ground on a brand new convention center that's supposed to launch the ces 2020. we look very much toward or -- forward to that. a stater of the art facility -- state of the art felt. entertainment, work or force around las vegas, the airport is only 15 minute away from virtually every major hotel and convention center. this is the best in the world bar none. >> host: how many square feet does ces take up? >> guest: well, we count ourselves by the amount of space that exhibiters buy, and we're about 2.76 million net square feet, but generally that translate toss 5 million gross. you could have a team of five people trying to see the show in four days, and those five people even if they split up will not see the entire show. our car -- the car show alone, portion alone is about half the size of vatican city. >> host: gary shapiro, one other thing you do out here is gary's book club. what is that? >> guest: well, i've written a couple of books, and they became bestsellers thanks to ces, but i think that opportunity should be spread to other people as well. we identify a number of authors based on dozens that apply as having something really relevant to say. i just finished an interview with john grisham, the best selling author. he wrote a book called the tumor, but it's about this new technology called ultrasound technology, i'm -- focused ultrasound. shall i 3, 2, 1 that? [laughter] they're looking at brain tumors, prostate cancer, and it's outpatient basis. no chemo, no surgery, and it's not a cure-all, but it's a cure a lot in a very unintrusive way where you can drive in yourself and drive out three hours later and your treatment's over. >> host: gary shapiro is president and ceo of the consumer technology association which owns and sponsors ces. thanks for your time. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ [background sounds] >> host: is and now we want to introdeuce you to frank soki. what's your title at intel and what do you do? >> guest: i'm the general manager for virtual reality rea. i focus on virtual reality and how we work with other parts of our organization including data center, the device side of things and -- [inaudible] >> host: how big a component is v.r. at intelsome. >> guest: oh, my gosh, i see this as a once in 20-year impact. from cloud to -- [inaudible] you need a platform -- [inaudible] you know, think about how immersive v.r. is, how interactive it's going to be, the data sets that have to give you an amazing amount of detail in this and be able to -- [inaudible] we're hitting on coms, it's an amazing opportunity. and when i say once in a 20-year evolution, i kuwait this with -- equate this when compute didn't even have an interface, didn't touch everything. virtual reality is going to transform -- [inaudible] >> host: how is it developed? >> guest: how was v.r. developed? >> host: yeah. >> guest: think of it this way. part of it is an evolution of what we have today. i'll use ad design as an example. you know, it's a flat experience. it's 2-d, you try to make 3-d model. if you take that to the next level, hey, me and you as design engineers, now i can see that in virtual reality space, i can collaborate with you, spin it around, change things really thyme, this is the way -- realtime, this is way people like to operate. there's a physicality behind that you're collaborating with somebody else. what we're doing is taking v.r. and bringing that to the next level. that's one example of how i see it evolving. and then i like to say v.r. is an element of giving us a were the ability to control things -- a better ability to control things. we're seeing that in two areas. one in sports, you're seeing the way you want to see it, not from a single camera angle, and we're seeing it -- [inaudible] we work with companies like liberty or be real. now the audience can be participate in that game from any point they want. we see those technologies evolving. so virtual reality is giving us the ability to work in a way that is the way we want to work, which is the way we've been kind of forced to work. >> host: what components of v.r. are made -- [inaudible] >> guest: ing so we make the cpu which is very important on the -- >> host: cpu, not a gpu. >> guest: no, i'll go through. there's several pieces. gpu is another element. on and compute side, certainly the applications, but to create these virtual environment, you have to demonstrate the ability to do the physics -- oh, my goodness. >> host: keep going. looks like we just had an electrical blowout here. with all the electricity, i'm not surprised. keep going. our cameras are rolling. >> guest: on the graphic -- [inaudible] graphic component to this, this plays a very important role. so we've been working very closely with microsoft so that our integrated graphics can have a value proposition in sort of the entry-level space of vsm r., and our next integration keep getting better and better and better. within a your or two time -- [inaudible] then we talk about what we're doing with storage and memory. taking those large data sets because virtual reality has large data setses and not losing detail, we have an example with smithsonian institute where you can see arts, and it's very detailed, and you want to go from exhibit to exhibit very quickly. the speed is important but i want to zoom in on the details. helps you to that. and then you've seen what we've done with htc and wireless technology. that was a pc-based technology that we're bringing to v.r., single wired technology -- [inaudible] i don't want to have three wires connected, i want one high-speed wire connected there. i can't think of what we don't touch that's needed for these types of virtual environments. >> host: is the cloud transformational when it comes to v.r., and how important -- [inaudible] >> guest: yeah. so the cloud is transformational for almost every kind of workload you can think of. you cannot ignore the efficiencies of a large data set. everything needs to be cloud-enabled. but we always have this dissertation about, oh, so you don't need a powerful -- [inaudible] yeah, you do. everything done at the edge, the way you balance -- [inaudible] why do you need so many cores and graphics, because these workloads keep getting heavier and heavier, and we need a balance. we need to think about edge. my hypothesis on v.r. side of thing is it has to be low latency. people get motion sick. and you have to have a bash teed quality of -- guaranteed quality of service that goes behind that. so between what's happening on the cloud and getting served up to the edge twices like pcs or phones, and then i would submit you want to layer security on top of that because some of these are collaborative experiences where i have automotive design, or i want -- [inaudible] end user. so there's a security layer we've got to be on that. but cloud and edge are going to be very important. then 5g, we're bringing it up to the client endpoint, you need the bandwidth. again, huge data sets. you'll lose the experience. so -- this is why it's -- [inaudible] >> host: we've all seen the videos or we've all had the glasses on and seen v.r. happening, but intel has a big tent down here. >> guest: yeah. >> host: what's in there? that's a v.r. tent, isn't it? a virtual reality tent? >> guest: ing in a way. we're demonstrating autonomous driving, so we're thinking about what does v.r. bring to autonomous driving. think of your car as another environment you're going to be travel anything and out of. let me hypothesize a future state for you on augmented and virtual reality. i think these a.i. and v.r. words or are going to disappear. we're going to be wearing something like i'm wearing and become completely -- [inaudible] and i'm going to be able to do that from outside of my building as i transition to a car that as a ton of -- that has a ton of computers, by the way. these are the kind of problems we're thinking about and working on solving. >> host: what tease difference between virtual and augmented reality? >> guest: ing oversimplistically, think of augmented as a see-through experience. i'm seeing you, and things are coming -- [inaudible] but i'm still seeing the real world around me. like my ability to go walk around, right, because i'm not -- [inaudible] on v.r. i go into something. so i'm not seeing the real world, but even there are exceptions there. there are cameras being put on virtually like glasses that let me avoid collision. so that is already happening, but generally that's how you see a.r. and v.r.. a.r. is see new, v.r. is immessive. >> host: how did you get boo this business in. >> guest: oh, my gosh. virtual reality? i would say it's a natural extension of some of my interests at intel. i like to focus on things that are on the cusp of happening, i'm always interested in what's evolving and what has a ton of potential. i like seeing technology come to bear, but i also like seeing the benefits that it brings, so i always look for opportunities like that. that journey has brought me through communications, workstation, data center, i was an iot, gaming kind of brought me here, i concentrated on gaming and then v.r. coming into its own finally even though it's still nascent, and i love things with tons of potential that do more than just entertain. the smithsonian's one, physical theater's another one, being able to do surgery and have better outcomes where people don't have to have chemotherapy because the fidel with which -- fidelity with which you can do surgery, so that kind of thing. >> host: so computer science background? >> guest: yeah. i have an electronics tree -- degree in i would say digital design, of all things, and i ended up at intel doing -- wasn't even my strength. i look for areas where i'm kind of pushing my limits but where intel's moving n. even 36 years ago in telecommunications. those were the opportunities i loved to look for. >> host: when you hire folks, do you look at gamers? >> guest: you know, we have absolutely do. so we're looking for people with a questionersty of experience -- diversity of experience. some gaming, some e-sports, some more on the tech side of things, we look for business development people who understand tech but have a strong business development angle. just the same way i described virtual reality, it's not about one specific element. if you get into this business, it means you have to be able to understand gaming, tech, business opportunity, marketing, you have to have business sense. you have to be a strong architect. systems architect as well as an architect at the silicone level. it takes a lot of good expertise to bring these things to fruition. >> host: frank soki of intel, thanks for your time. >> guest: thank you. i really appreciate it. >> host: and coming up next on "the communicators," more from the annual consumer electronics show in las vegas. [background sounds] >> host: now on "the communicators," or we want to introduce you to a gentleman named derek orr. mr. orr, what do you do for a living. >> >> guest: i'm the division chief for the research division at the department of commerce in boulder, colorado. >> host: the national institute of standards and technology. >> guest: you got it. >> host: why are you here at the ces show? >> guest: so the division that i'm in charge of in boulder is focused on looking at the next generation of first responder communications, and we're really looking at what does public safety need in the future, our fire, our ems officials to take that next leap into taking advantage of broadband communications and what's coming next for commercial users. so what we're doing here is that we have a number of opportunities to outreach to industry and academia through grant programs and prize challenges to involve them in solving public safety challenges and communications, and we're here at ces because there's a number of companies with interesting concepts, interesting technologies that have no idea of how they might apply to public safety's needs, and we want to get them interested in helping solve the challenges and problems of our first responders. >> host: all right. we just showed a little display you have here. why do you have this equipment here? >> guest: so this equipment really shows some of the challenges. people just don't understand the challenges of communications for public safety when they have to putin to these -- put on these ensembles that are very difficult to work in. you know, a bomb suit, a day to dare fire ensemble. think about wearing all of that equipment and trying to interact with a smartphone or a map and say, hey, you're going to love this new mapping technology, they didn't see it because there's smoke, they can't touch it because they have gloves. so what we have to figure out is what does that next generation responder have. do they have voice communications with the system without having to touch anything? is there feedback within their suit? there's a lot of companies around ces addressing these in different ways for commercial purposes. we want to bring those ideas and bring those experts in and address it for public safety. >> host: what kind of interactions have you had this year? >> guest: i've been doing this for 15 years. i haven't -- this is our second year to have a booth at ces. my third year to be at ces, but i've been doing this job for 15 years. this is the best interaction with companies we would otherwise never have an sewer action with -- interaction with than i've ever had. it's been phenomenal. it's almost been nonstop. yesterday i almost lost my voice because we had so many people to talk to. it's been fantastic. >> host: what's one idea that's come out of this ces or others? technology? >> guest: i would say one of the most important things that i really walked away from, and it was three years ago, it was really that year where virtual reality, you know, really jumped off the shelves of future tech and became a commercial product that people could buy. and i walked away from ces, and i was driving home from the airport, and i literally thought how can we use virtual reality to create a new test environment for public safety in which we can really envision future quites and heads up -- devices and heads up displays without them having to exist. so on the other side of the booth we have a prototype of -- >> host: walk us over there. >> guest: yeah, sure. a virtual reality system where we are going to recreate realistic public safety scenario, have tasks to be performed and then with those, giving public safety the ability to go into those environments, perform those task and be able to overlay all kinds of ideas for user interfaces, maps, biometrics, and understand which of those things actually allow them to do those tasks better. and we can measure that. and then industry can use those platforms to decide what to make and decide which things are actually going to work better and then go, you know, get money to do those things. >> host: let's see it. >> guest: yeah. hey, guys, can somebody, can somebody do this? so they're going to put on the gear, and what you're going to see is we built this burning mountain hodge, and so it's -- >> host: that's scott underwood. ledgerwood, sorry. >> guest: one of our engineers in boulder who's been a part of the team that led the design of this concept. and, you know -- >> host: now, what's he putting on? this is standard v.r. gear? >> guest: yeah. we really want to make this accessible to researchers and industry across country. we don't want to create a platform that nobody else can buy. so we're using off the shelf equipment so whatever we can do can be easily accessed by industry and academia. >> host: what's he going to do? >> guest: we're really giving people the ability to walk in and see what it would be like to conceive of having a burning building. he's going to walk into the room where there's smoke, and then he's going to be able to put out a fire with a fire hose and what we're trying to do is just show people proof of concept. but what we've done is, one, we just announced several months ago a grant program in which we're giving out up to $5 million to academia and industry to create a prototype of this system that we can understand how it would apply. and then also we have an active prize challenge in which we have an active prize challenge open right now in which we're asking people to use a platform like in that we're going to provide you and overlay on top of it some futuristic looking heads-up display for navigating inside a building, and the winners will win money. so this literally, this idea came from being at ces three years ago. >> host: thank you very much for your time. >> guest: you bet. thank you. i appreciate it. [background sounds] [inaudible conversations] >> host: so one of the companies displaying their wares here at the ces show in las vegas is damage, an icon -- is kodak, an iconic american company. the ceo is jeff clark mr. clark, what is kodak today? >> guest: well, peter, kodak is a vibrant public company with 6,000 employees and a billion and a half in revenue. we're still mostly known for film. film's only about 10% of our revenue, but if you saw "star wars" or any of the other major movies, any james bond movie or wonder woman, that's all still shot on kodak film. we have the last motion picture film factory in the world. but we're in commercial printing, and we're here at the consumer electronics show in las vegas because we're also into consumers. >> host: and what are some of the new products that you are displaying while you're here? >> guest: we have a 360 camera. kodak also for the first time in many years has gone back into instant cameras. we have today the kodak sure shot and other cameras that are available that you can print, take a picture and print it just like -- [inaudible] >> host: now, who would use the 360 camera? we have one at c-span. >> guest: well, it's used in reality if you want to show your home kind of 360 view, it's used for action. many people use it when they go out on an action ride or just use it when they want to get a much broader view of a particular area. >> host: so, paul, tell us about kodak's 360-degree camera. >> guest: okay. basically, we've been trying to create a new image which is a 360 image. so now we've had several generations of products that create 360 video. here at the show we're actually showing a new concept. this one is interesting because not only can we create a 360 image, if you actually close it, we have two different lenses, one on either side so it's recording all the video from all sides and all angles. [inaudible] >> guest: exactly. >> host: okay. >> guest: and then internally the software and the hardware will stitch those two images together, create what we call a rectangular file format, a regular video that's compatible with things like facebook and youtube. so any image you record here you can upload and share with your friends, and it's an interactive image so you can pan left or right and you're actually given a virtual reality -- >> host: and if you open this up or close this, however you want to say that, you've got two cameras. >> guest: yeah. both these lenses are 190 degrees, so when you create a flat image like this, you can actually use a stereoscopic to create a 3-d version of that image. so it's something that we see with virtual reality, augmented reality, that the future is starting to look at creating that real depth of perception image. we can create not only 360 video, but we can with also create a 3-d video. >> host: so this is just a camera. this is not video necessarily. >> guest: no, it's both. >> host: it's both? >> guest: it's primarily a video camera, but it also take still pictures as well. >> host: what's this one? >> guest: ing this one's more for industrial use. >> host: heavier too. >> guest: we have three lenses to give a higher quality image, a higher resolution. so in this case where we have a 4k image, this would be an 8k image. is so we're basically, when you look at applications for 360, you know, if you've been on the, like, restaurants or sometimes it's now i think real estate's becoming very popular, you want to tour a home, you actually can do it in 3-d, we would use some products like this to create those higher frame rates and higher, you know, pixel density -- >> host: is that the type of thing that mapping services use when they, they go out and map the world? >> guest: it's kind of. if you've ever seen the google car that drives around with the bill bug on top -- big bulb on top, it's kind of a miniature version of that where you're recording all video from all sides at a high resolution, enough for production that you can then share and create an interactive. >> host: so that camera as well is video and still, correct? >> guest: correct. >> host: and does it have audio? >> guest: they both do have audio, and we're still working on some of the features too that you could potentially plug into external audio. and on the 360 side, they're still working with spatial audio. so if you have a four-channel audio, as you pan left and right, you'll actually -- the audio will turn with you. >> host: well, forgive me if i'm simplistic about this, but how advanced is that technology? it's just a camera and audio, isn't it? >> guest: actually, if you look at the lens and stuff, we're bending the light from all different directions. and the difference of a normal camera, we have a sensor on either side. now you have two sensors that you have to merge those images together. so the complexity and the technology in these cameras is actually the stitching software to actually -- it's like if you think of a panorama picture how you used to take images from all different angles and then you would line them up and stitch them together, now we're doing it with video with very high speeds, high bit rates, frame rates. so in order to do that, it takes a lot of processing power, it takes a lot of memory. >> host: is this a competitive market, the 360 camera? >> guest: yeah. you've seen at the show there's a to whole bunch of companies trying to get out there. for us, this is already -- we have three generations of 360 product on the market now, and this is kind of introducing this to the future. we've been invest anything both the software and the hard ware for the future of 360. of. >> host: how, do you work for kobach? -- kodak? what's your relationship? >> guest: we're jk imaging, we're a subsidiary company, and we license for all the globe, basically, digital and video cameras for kodak. so we're a technology company that's developing new technology for, you know, future video, but we also support all the legacy kodak digital cameras. >> host: are these on the market, and how much would they sell for in. >> guest: these are not yet available. these are still concept products that are, have been in development. we do have two other products that are on the market. >> host: which ones? >> guest: these are probably be a consumer model here, will probably be in maybe a $5-600 range probably still several months out, and this'll be more of a pro-sumer mold, it all depends on the market condition when we release and launch the product. the other two molds, we have the orbit which is a consumer model, this one has internal stitching where we have two different lenses and then it stitches internal. this one's $500, and it's available today. we just started shipping about two or three months ago. and it also has another feature where this lens, we can change modes so you can do 360 degree recording, but if you want to just do a flat 4k video, you can uses the front lens, it's a 155-degree lens which'll give you a wide angle, flat video kind of like an action camera, video camera. and this one here is our dual pro. this is kind of our professional pro-sumer model that we've been shipping for the last year, and you can see we have two cameras here. this one requires a little bit more work because you have to download the file, and we do external stitching. so the professionals like that product because they're in control. it's not just the standard, you know, setting as far as light and stitching and overlap are. so they use high-end professional software to actually stitch the videos together to create it. that's pretty much -- we see a lot of opportunity in 360 still. i think a lot of people thought the market was just going to take off because of, you know, virtual reality and augmented reality. the reality behind it is actually the technology is catching up. >> host: so, mr. clark, you've been with kodak for a couple of years -- >> guest: two and a half years. >> host: kodak use to be in earn american's home. -- in every american's home. is there a lament that it's not anymore? >> guest: i think kodak has an incredible brand. in 1888 george eastman created a company based on bringing photography to the masses. and we all grew up with that. kodak still has that love, that trust, and we're bringing it back with photography products but also with new things. for the first time in 30 years, kodak came out with a new movie camera, and you can see it on display here at ces, and that i believe will bring people back to what we're calling the analog renaissance. there's so much digital fatigue going on, we have so much time on our phones, and much of that is a differentiation on the movie screens isn't so good. so we think film and analog is what people are going to migrate toward. >> host: another one of the great communications devices that you're advertising out here was a new antenna. >> guest: yes. >> host: what that? >> guest: so research labs are still an integral part of the company, and we have been able to create finish. [inaudible] to not have to sodder and -- to actually print antennas. we have a display here where we can print on glass. that has applications for home, but most interestingly, that has an application for the car. so from a car per educative, today you have the -- [inaudible] radio or cell coverage, now we'll be able to have multiple antennas in a car that can give you better coverage, electronics, and eventually it'll be a critical part of the driverless cars. >> host: now, your background is a technology background, isn't it? >> guest: well, i'm an economics undergrad, mba, but i've worked for technology companies my whole career from hewlett-packard to many others. and definitely from the technical side of things. >> host: what is your vision for kodak in the next five, ten years? >> guest: pretty much what it has been, it's going to be a trusted company where we make products that are easy to use. you push the button, we do the rest. we strive for that every day. products are complex. we always strive for easier products -- [inaudible] >> host: one of donald trump's goals was to bring manufacturing back to the u.s. is that feasible in. >> guest: it is for kodak, and i believe it is for america. so at kodak, in rochester, new york, we still manufacture film. we manufacture ink. we manufacture toners, synthetic chemicals. and even printers that are usually by our competitors manufactured overseas. we fundamentally believe in manufacturing as a critical part of the kodak product. >> host: what are you hearing from attendees here at ces about -- >> guest: people are pretty committed about everything happening -- excited about everything happening, all of the innovation. for example, we have one of the fastest drones in the show, we have one that came in fourth in a drone race, the kodak branded drone because, of course, kodak put in an amazing camera. we're excited about that. but we think people came in here looking for a gadget but love the antenna on glass. you never know what you're going to find, and sometimes you come looking for a drone and you find something else. >> host: jeff clark is the ceo of kodak. thanks -- >> guest: thank you, peter. [inaudible conversations] [background sounds] >> host: so, governor rick snyder of michigan, what are you doing here at ces? >> guest: well, this is a great place to be be you're from michigan. there's a convergence going on in our economy, or in our world economy and our society. and how the automotive and i.t. industry are converging into the mobility industry. autonomous and connected vehicles, all these wonderful things going on, and michigan is at the world's center of that. what this show is, is a showplace for the entire supply chain for both those worlds coming together to meet, to have dialogue, so it's important for me to be here to talk about michigan's role in all that and make new connections and relationships. >> host: there are times when you walk around this convention center in vegas that it looks like a car show. >> guest: yeah. well, and, again, that's relatively recent. if you've gone over the last five years or so, the rate of increase is really compelling and exciting. what illing say is this is going to transform our society in so many ways, the autonomous, the smart vehicle, smart infrastructure. but it also will provide challenges. so we need to be smart about that. so i view michigan's role in many ways is let all these companies compete, let's create the best environment for that to happen in a smart, responsible way that we i said both the -- we understand both the positive and the negatives to society. >> host: what has that connected, mobile world done to the michigan economy? >> guest: it's already caused a lot of great job creation, but let's talk about the long-term benefits. people overlook that. they like to talk about the technology. it's three major areas. first of all, it's about safety. over 90 some percent of accidents are due to human error. autonomous and connected vehicles can save lives and save accidents. the second thing is opportunity you think about how many people have disabilities, other challenges in their life, could be an economic disadvantage where they don't have access to transportation other than buses or something. this will help open up that world to allow people to get the job training, to work, to create new economic opportunity which is fabulous. and the third one is efficiency. particularly with our infrastructure. it's not just about the vehicles, it's about making smart highways that can communicate with these vehicles. we need to invest more in our infrastructure in this country, but if we can do it in a way where it's not just about adding more lanes but using what we have smarter and better, that's a huge savings for all of us. so it's really those three main benefit areas. >> host: well, when you talk about smarter roads and infrastructure, "the communicators" visited m city in ann arbor. but are autonomous vehicles going to leap beyond that technology? >> guest: no. you'll actually need both, and connected through the infrastructure will actually help the autonomous vehicle get through a transitional stage. because one of the challenges you have right now is there won't be that many vehicles that are autonomous and connected, and they'll have their highest value when the road's full of them and they can talk to one another. there's that interim phase where it'll be important, they can talk to infrastructure and back and forth. one pilot we're doing flight in michigan -- right new in michigan, because we are the world leader, we did a pilot with 3m about construction zones. 3m embedded an infrared various bar codes and signs that a vehicle can read to tell them it was a construction zone. so we have the human feeds, but now we actually have it so the camera could register and that video could understand the environment, it could look at lane markings, it could do many things in a context that you'd never believe possible. so these are the kind of infrastructure dialogues that i think can be important. >> host: let's go back to technology in michigan. not all always what people think of when they think of technology. >> guest: well, that's -- what part of history are you looking at? because i like to remind people you go back to the early 1900s, we were not just the auto center of the world, we were the innovation center of the world. all these industries, we were the entrepreneurial center of the world. and what happened is we created the modern corporation there. we were so successful, we sort of lost that entrepreneurial spirit. the good part is over the last few years we've gotten it back. we're the comeback state in this nation. and now not only are we back to a top ten state, we're looking forward about how to embrace mobility, these new concepts and lead our world in how to adopt them in a responsible way. >> host: is the michigan work force, the educational work being done? are they prepared for this new world? >> guest: we've made huge progress. it's a work in progress though. it's not done yet, because there's more to do. but we're leading the country in that. it's about competency-based learning, it's about learning about information technology skills. if you talk to employers around the country, they'll tell you the lack of skill trades they need, tool and dye people, robotics people, industrial automation people. we're leading on creating those programs, growing those programs, but there's so many more great career opportunities out will that we still need to educate parents and young people about, people looking for that next career. was in our society in this country -- because in this society, in our country we sort of told everyone they should get a four-year degree, and that wasn't a smart thing. we sort of broke our system. we're going to reestablish in a smarter, better way than we had in in the past, i believe, in michigan. and that'll be a role model. >> host: you have a technology background, don't you? >> guest: yes, i'm a proud nerd, as you know. [laughter] >> host: what is that background? >> guest: i helped run gate computers for a decade before i was governor. so is i love opportunities here. but the part i would share with you about it's not just the technology, it's how does it benefit people. and one word of caution i would give people is there are challenges and downsides to this transition that we also need to be responsible about. an illustration is if you think about as you bring in autonomous vehicles and these wonderful new technologies, what could happen with industries such as truck driving or delivery drivers? so we need to be proactive about how do we do retraining, look towards the future and not make this a crisis for people in their careers but we're responsible to say, hey, here are huge benefit, here are some challenges and problem opportunities, and let's address them both in a smart way. >> host: michigan, detroit have made a bid for amazon hq -- >> guest: yeah. >> host: why should jeff of bezos choose detroit? >> guest: i believe we should win. detroit is the comeback city in the nation. it's the most safe place for young people around the world. and young people from around the world are coming there now. 98% for housing in midtown and downtown. companies like amazon, google have set up operations in detroit. so these are exciting things going on. so it's that magnet for that cool, exciting, pretty place that's coming back. so i think it's a wonderful place to put a headquarters to say don't you want to be on the forefront of the next wave of the future and build on that? the other thing we have a unique attribute. we did a partnership between detroit and windsor. and one of the things, that'll create a great opportunity because we can actually leverage the best of both countries in terms of how to find the best people, how to build the best base, and that's something that detroit and windsor can bring together. >> host: and more trade goes across the ambassador bridge than anywhere in the world. >> guest: busiest trade route in our country, and we're building the new gordy howe bridge that's going to make it even easier. >> host: have you found that silicon valley companies are reaching out to your office? ?rsh. >> guest: yes. >> host: about relocating or setting up offices in michigan? >> guest: yeah. because it is about partnership. there's not going to be one company dominating this whole field, and i think hopefully you can get a good sense of that, peter, as you talk to people. many of these are collaborations of traditional vehicle company with a technology company, other companies all coming together. so it's about this whole ecosystem being formed. and if you look at it, we are leading the world in terms of activity. more activity in michigan than anywhere else. the valley's got a lot of great things. my view is i don't want it michigan versus the valley, why don't we win together, and why don't we help all of our country and our societies across the world do better by promote anything a responsible partnership fashion. >> host: in your time here at ces, what are you hoping to see? >> guest: i'm hoping to see a lot of cool things in terms of new technologies and ideas, but it's really a chance to tell the michigan story too. i'm on multiple panels talking about what does mobility mean, because it is new enough. as i talked about the benefits earlier, but also what are the responsibilities. and in the government, our role is to create the best environment to make it happen. so i want to listen to people and learn from them about what they see are the barriers, the constraints, the challenges and we create an even better environment in michigan to be that role mold for faster, better adoption of these great changes. >> host: rick snyder is the second-term governor of michigan. thank you for your time. >> guest: great to be with you. thank you, peter. 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