Him and him having Wikipedia Page, that makes them crazy. I was pleased i guess to see you dont have a Wikipedia Page. Most conservatives like me, you can go through your Wikipedia Page and if you know them well it makes them more crazy. I am thrilled to have you on. I was going to ask about that made you crazy on wikipedia that were not accurate. We do want to have you above the radar as you talk about steve bannon, your work on white house dossiers exposing so many things that have gone on in the last several years at the white house and through today, it continues to be a passion of yours. White house dossier is something i started in 2010. I have been a mainstream reporter for many years and i was so good at hiding my political sympathies which are fairly conservative that no one except a couple new that i was a conservative. Maybe that is why you dont have a Wikipedia Page. I am thankful for that. I didnt have to put my age on in addition to whatever else they might put their. I was so successful at hiding my sympathies that i was once offered a job in frank lautenbergs office and yelled at by Ari Fleischer for asking questions i never would have asked the democrat when little did he realize i probably agreed with everything he was saying but felt it was my duty to hide my political sympathies something that is much less so in the mainstream media. The white house dossier, the idea was to do accountability on president obama and a sense of humor and analysis and news and credited the white house still as a reporter with white house dossier, all through most of his presidency i held him to standards and pointed out things he was doing wrong, things that both objectively and from a conservative standpoint as well as today with donald trump sometimes it is saying wait a second, what are you doing but also the media is treating him unfairly, so that is the purpose today is that still continues and that im passionate about. Sometimes people take offense when actually one of the most liberal trial lawyers, plaintiffs lawyers, democrats, a three day seminar, and jump across and shake his hand. To explain something, that is troubling people. You have seen it too many times today and got questions. And to come after you and be aggressive and certainly gave bannon fair treatment in your book so i would like to get to the book, which you start with a prologue as the rebel. You go through, got quotes from the family, who did you talk to. I talked to all his siblings, two sisters, older brother, younger brother, older sister, younger sister, it was a closeknit family. He goes home to richmond, when, with his crushing schedule, at the white house and still now and they adore him. Interestingly among siblings, i since no resentment among them for his success, only pride in it. The most startling person i talked to in his family was his dad. He was 95 when i talked to him and now he is 96. I saw bannon at an event. Host on top of things. Guest sharp as a whip, has this ironic sense of humor and is able to remember little vignettes from the 1940s about how he was drafted as a professional baseball player but didnt pay like it pays now. Host it was 50. Guest Something Like that. Trying to get him to come on but didnt report, 75, they were open to it and got it. Guest he and his son joke he was a holdout. But back then, the country had come out of the depression, a much more stable job, going to get married and so forth and work with the phone company and that is unfortunately, professional baseball career, ended with his dad. Very sharp, fungi, chapter 2, born fighter but chapter 2 seemed to expose the guy who is getting into politics. Tell us how he was run into politics. Guest he was at Virginia Tech and he was involved in this and that, he decided to run for student body president , but wasnt the next in line. Even then at Virginia Tech there was an establishment to oppose. Every organization, there is a group and expected success, he was the rebel. The fact about bannon, his rebelliousness is always for something, fighting for some particular cause. He is a rebel by nature but not a thoughtless Rebel Without a cause. They are trying to get students more involved in decisions they were making, a lot of changes, he decided to challenge the orthodoxy, represent the average man, the average student at Virginia Tech, and a little bit of political acumen early on. On his ticket. To run with him on the ticket. They had worked together and respected each other enormously. Today i spoke with her, speaks glowingly about him. Fighting for the same thing the is fighting for like the average student fights the establishment and they work well together and thing in the last decade or so admitted women, more and more women in the electorate, and that helped towards the victory and became student body president. Host very much actively involved the Vice President , quite influential and positions they took. Guest you here today that she said that as a woman, he empowered her entirely and i spoke of that in the book about how he let her do her thing, wasnt overbearing, and complete confidence, in the 1970s, participating in the student government. Host with steve bannon and donald trump, they had unsuccessful marriages and the president seems to be in a successful marriage now, and there mil on milania was and the kids and she looked like an angel but a lot of people think that with regard to steve bannon and the president must not be very good and working with them because have had failed marriages. It is a bit of a dichotomy there because stephen and the president have worked successfully with women. We have done the research, talked to the women he has worked with from what you say in the book you work with very well. Did you find any women you worked closely with that had problems with him, overall negative opinions . Guest i didnt hear anybody express that opinion. I talked to a lot of people from college and today at breitbart many women working on staff, when he was in the white house his key aid, julia, a brilliant young conservative women who worked for him at breitbart, focusing on immigration and other issues, and so smart that almost impossible. She helped him a lot and a key assistant of his. He is close to his wife susie. It was just the 2 of us but his first wife susie had been there with his daughter, hanging out in washington and so forth, just didnt pick up, he can be a rough guy, he will admit this, he has a bit of a temper but i dont think it discriminates whether it is male or female in the line of fire but if any of the southern gentleman in him would refrain a little bit from far and away. Host not sure about that part. Something that was driven, but they seem to be much more forgiving but they immediately tell you they may disagree, on the wrong track, they wont think anything out. They seem to be very blunt and may disagree, but ten minutes later, that is not supposed to be carried on because we are moving on, we are beyond that. Guest what people told me as it is not personal. It is about the job. He will get very blunt and does have a temper. It is because he wants to get whatever job needs to get accomplished done. He has very high standards, maybe too high. He works endlessly. There was one time i was trying to get in touch with him and someone said try him at 1 00 in the morning, text him then because then he is easier to get, he doesnt sleep much, works hard and expect that of other people. In the book, his businesses, people would say i dont have it done or my kid is sick, that is your problem, personal problem, get this done. He can be tough, even unreasonably tough sometimes but he is driven like you say. Host many of my communications with Andrew Breitbart were 3 00 or 4 00 in the morning, late nights at work, i wondered if that helped draw them close together, they both endlessly and up much of the night, i do that a lot myself but always had a great rapport with andrew and in fact knowing andrew, he introduced me to bannon, he never said a whole lot when i was around, when andrew was around, but he has plenty of opinions but it surprised me, i was going four years, bannon finished, got his degree at Virginia Tech. He has no military commitment, he is free and clear, he has Great Potential offers coming, he did so well, smart guy, what was the purpose of that. Guest his friends at Virginia Tech, his family said that, an offer from Phillip Morris in richmond, do a lot of things. That was the employer there and had a major off of their, had been raised with a sense of duty, kennedy democrats like oldstyle democrats. The first catholic to have a great shot at being president , a lot of catholic families whether they are republican or democrat, each one of us. Did you get that feeling from the family . A sense, kennedy is in the navy, a hero, and wanted to be in the military. Small technical issues served in world war ii, there was always a sense of fulfilling this mission, a large part of his motivation, what i wanted for the family, you go out on a destroyer which he did and sail around the world and used to be a fighter when he was young, a sense of duty, it did surprise a lot of people that fit with the way he was raised to go in the navy six years ago. One of the hits on people, it is true in 2008, we saw the work Goldman Sachs come out, unrestrained greed to the forefront but this seems to be such a mutually exclusive part of a person, here is this guy that would work for Goldman Sachs, a reputation after 2008, it is not them. He walks away from all of that, goes and joins the navy, not just for one or two years, how long was he in . Six years, three years in washington as an aid. And enjoyed the time and was very reliable and some group he was part of, supposed to help in emergencies come up with solutions. Guest when he was in washington, bannons attitudes, a bias towards action. His superiors in the navy could get out of line a little bit, and got things done. Weather was on a shipper washington, when he was in washington there was a task force formed by one of the senior people, through the bureaucracy, and bannon was involved in that. Host it helped draw bannon and donald trump together. Similar personality, dont wait. Sometimes maybe trump moves too quickly, there is a similar personality like that. Host chapter 6 is generation 0, explain generation 0. What caused you to name that chapter generation 0 . Guest generation 0 was the name of the movie bannon did which talked about the 2008 crash and the idea was the future was being robbed, americans given the wealth that was loss and what is being accumulated, the generation that exists now which is the millennials and younger people, when you look at the size of the deficit, we will have nothing left. Host where was he working in 2008 when the crash happened . Guest he was still out in california doing his own business but he had left Goldman Sachs a long time ago. He went out to california and without their to drum up business for Goldman Sachs but then formed his own firm, doing his own business, but increasingly he got into documentaries, making his own conservative filmmaking. Initially made one about reagan in 2004 and in 2008 started making other documentaries related to the tea party and conservative movement. How the elite especially got off scott free in the crash. To the establishment host that was the head of Goldman Sachs, former head, lets Lehman Brothers go because he couldnt stand them. Fair and balanced so to speak. Hank paulson targeted them. He was out there and got into the moviemaking business. Where did he get the title generation 0 . Guest you talk about generation x and generation y, the generations may have nothing less, the debt continues to build, to meander along and her president obama we see a revival but there is as you know. A great parallel out there in that 20 trillion in debt and when you look at entitlements, Something Like 70 trillion that is owed, conservative maybe, maybe it is more than. That is the idea, the elite in washington, they will do okay. The average people face something. He took that from his dad, and host so consistently, it worked for at t. Guest he had put his money away for years. Traditional savings, save like a regular fellow and had a little money stuck on retirement, he hoped to pass that on to kids or grandkids and so forth and all of a sudden the over lending that has occurred, rapacious profit motive. Host profoundly affected them. Guest he loves it. Host his dad lives so much and stays faithfully all these years. Guest he lost all this money, others go running to hank paulson and say help me out, give me a break here, nobody to help someone like his dad. Host ironic to see all the comments from the antagonist bannon to say he is about the money but you read the book and start tracking his life, his life has not been all about money. You talk about a place he had on long island, had a chair, a caught, called it sparta, it was in florida. Guest he did go, this was, people will see this as an inconsistency, he did go to Goldman Sachs, made himself a multimillionaire and part of that was growing up when he did, sort of a middleclass family and the way he i asked about that, he said what money did more than any give me freedom and gave me the freedom to do things i wanted and also the contents, he wanted to make a lot of money and did that. If you look at how he lives, someone told me he had several houses, and put books on them. He doesnt live lavishly, and interview him in his home on capitol hill for a total of 10 hours. Breitbart embassy, it is not a lavishly awarded place. Not terribly concerned about material possessions. That freed him to do with what he wants in terms of promoting what he believes in. Host they say not only is he about money, but might be a white supremacist when you dig into his life. That is not steve bannon. Going back to college it seems you gave us a lot of foreshadowing during College Years for things to come. He goes out when nobody to be coowner of an election, yet they are running mates running together and a little foreshadowing for his embrace. Running for Vice President , you spend some time explaining how he could see such greatness. He wanted her to be president , but she was one who would come to washington and stick to her guns. Unlike you, so many people come to washington saying one and maybe even believing it and just forget about it and once they are here they get caught up in special interests and need money to get reelected and so forth but what you say about raids. In terms of people talking to him personally, there was nobody i could find who said he was racist, antisemitic. Even if you look at breitbart most of the Senior Leadership at breitbarts jewish and breitbart was jewish. It becomes difficult. Host andrews closest friend larry in california, deeply touching, larry and breitbart. Guest race as well. This wasnt someone i interviewed, a liberal Senior Executive in hollywood, came out and said i worked with steve bannon for years out there. I have to say even if it hurts me in hollywood the man is not a racist, the charge people put against him and allowed the Comment Section to have too many people with white supremacist views and so forth and the way he viewed that, the Comment Section, they do regulate it, you are forewarned and it is a tough place but in terms of breitbart stories, when you look at the stories, they dont have racist content to them and even a New York Times article in august which said breitbart is not the alt right in terms of the articles as perceived today in terms of articles that are produced. On a personal level there was nobody that felt he was a racist. Grew up as a liberal, his mother was very liberal in richmond, virginia. Several people who knew him said she was very vocal about africanamerican right at a time when people do not want to hear about that. That was part of his thinking and upbringing. Host we are affected by outspoken moms. And talk to a lot of people, bribing with this or that, seems to be the most emasculating effort come from something called being a team player. We thought you were a team player. I am a team player. But more than threats, more than promises, that team player intimidation, nobody wants to be viewed as just a fly in the ointment. Want to be a team player. Seems to have disengaged so many from the things they came here to do, and having talked to steven, he sees that it drives him crazy. In the humane economy i thought that was an interesting title for a chapter burt thats writ gets into some of his feelings and he has seen the way it affects everybody. Skin color doesnt matter when people are hurt by an inhuman economy, its deeply troubling to him. You had some good quotes in there, around 98, as we were talking about it and id ask if you would mind reading that guest this is where it what youre talking about, he i think carrying about money as well and elite. He wants to turn the Republican Party, i found out, speaking with him, basically into a working class party. He feels that the democrats are beholding to sort of identity politics and things like that. He thinks the republicans can go and take the working class from the democrats where a lot of. The have traditionally been and bring them into the Republican Party, and its ironic because people criticize him as this arch conservative but a lot of his ideas can sound almost sort of liberal to a lot of republicans and that his he wants his focus not so much on Corporate America and k street, which are the lobbyists here in washington, but on protecting the middle class, protecting the working class, making sure the working class doesnt disappear so his agendas to go out and convince average working class people that its republicans who have the best policies for them. Mess talking abo