speaker@heritage.org. posting our guest today is martin dunlop who served as ronald reagan distinguished fellow at heritage, a conservative movement leader, she serves as chairman of the conservative action project and advocates for heritages american conservation ethics and advances energy and national research policy in general. she served as heritages president for external relations and most recently led our restore america project. we are joining heritage in 1998 she served as secretary of natural resources for the commonwealth of virginia on the cabinet of then governor george allen. she served significant roles in the reagan administration as deputy assistant to the president for presidential personnel, shall assistant director of his cabinet office as well as senior special assistant to attorney general ed meese and at the interior she was deputy undersecretary of the department as well as an assistant director for rick fish and wildlife. join me in welcoming my colleague and friend, becky norton dunlop >> let me add my words of welcome to you, we love having people to come to the heritage foundation online or on television so welcome. but you know, the heritage foundation has promoted the american conservation ethic. we call it land of liberty, stewardship of american environment and the number one principal that we outline is people are our most important unique and precious resource.and our number eight principal is that the most successful environmental policy is derived from liberty. so when i read the opening sentence of chapter 1 of the book that i got from encounter, i read this sentence. this book is about freedom? >> i knew i had to read the rest of it. the author of this book is with us today. he has gotten actually the final copy of his book "green tyranny". and the author is rupert darwall. he's been in business, finance, he's been in an investment banker. he's been in the public policy arena. he's been in government. he's seen this issue from a lot of various angles. and he studied at cambridge where he studied economics and history, a great foundation for writing this very fine book reagan let me just tell you what a couple of our noted friends have said about his new book "green tyranny". michael barone is a friend to all of us here at the heritage and well-known across our country said rupert darwall has written a definitive and clear eyed history of global warming alarmists. its success at listing western elites in its cause, wow. very, very important. morton drudge said rupert darwall has told the story of frauds and fools thoroughly and well. the proof may be inconvenient to some. and finally let me say that charles moore from the daily telegraph road rupert darwall is a wonderfully lucid historian of intellectual and political movements which is just the job to explain what has been inflicted on us over the past 30 years or so in the name of saving the planet. many very fine people have read this book are recommending it to all of us. we are very fortunate here at the heritage foundation to have the author, and talk to us a little bit about his book but what prompted him to write it and take your questions. so welcome to the heritage foundation, rupert darwall. [applause] >> thank you peggy for your very kind words. i was in washington almost exactly a year ago and it's extraordinary how much has changed since then. nowhere has the change been more profound or consequential and more necessary then in climate and energy policy. the united states is going to withdraw from the paris agreement , the climate treaty and all that name that the president obama didn't have the guts to send to the senate for its advice and consent. no one should underestimate the historic importance of president trump's decision. this is the third time that a republican president has rejected the targets and timelines for emissions. the first was the original un framework of conventional climate change and the second version which is repudiation of the kyoto protocols. president trump's decision i think is the most important. it is devastating for the un climate process. you'll architecture of the agreement has been designed to further requirements to obtain the senate to advise and consent. this will freeze america to be the world hydrocarbon superpower which enables epa administrators scott pruitt to rollback the green power plan. all this is happening because of what happened on november 8, 2016. and it wouldn't have happened but for the tremendous work undertaken by conservatives and libertarian think tanks in the city and across the country, notably in chicago and in austin texas. they took on the climate industrial complex. they prepare the intellectual ground for what needed to be done and what needed to be done. america owes a huge debt of gratitude to the scholars and thinkers of heritage to lead us to the forefront of this great effort as do i, so i'd like to take the opportunity to record mythanks for the experts at heritage who helped me in various ways with "green tyranny" . altogether with his freedom, president trumps nominee to lead the council on environmental policy and stephen graves, now occupying one building in washington is more powerful than this one because this is something bigger than energypolicy. it's bigger than economics , the mining jobs and new jobs by the oil and gas sector from michelle revolution and i'm thinking of all the manufacturing jobs being restored thanks to america's energy superabundance. this is about something more fundamental but ultimately this is about a battle between the administrative state and america's constitutional order. it's about how america is governed and in a word, it's about freedom. to return to the store the end of my remarks, i'd like to tell you how we got here and why the age of global warming and that could be the age of wind and solar. global warming wasn't meant to be like this. the original idea was that nuclear power was going to be the solution. the politics of global warming began much earlier than most people suppose. politicians over years started to talk about global warming in the late 1980s but as i'm sure you will know it was in june 1988 that massive scientists and climate along with james hampton in his testimony to the senate energy and natural resources committee. sweden has already been obsessing about global warming for a decade and a half. in 1974 when al gore was still an orphan, british minister would say climate change would be the biggest change at the end of the 20th century. sweden, the country of the progressive left wants america to be, it's welfare state, the social engineering, the foreign policy based on moral preening. the longest period of one party rule in any western democracy. a social democratic party claiming direct dissent and the party bernie sanders was the democrats to be. there's a lot of reading "green tyranny" for the reason. roland oxford served as scandinavian correspond to the new totalitarianism. one would argue that the swedish democrats were pioneering a new form of soft totalitarianism. and a few centuries before napoleon, sweden developed a centralized administrative apparatus in the social democrats form their government in 1921, it gave them a political system that what says adapted to this with intentions of the central bureaucracy. legislatively we, the executive strong and for centuries the real path laid in the government administrative machine. does that sound at all familiar? sounds to me like what obama's administrative state wanted to become. the swedish state became the perfect instrument to carry out the 20th century's most prolonged and thorough experiment in social engineering started by the soviet union and communist china. it pioneered a cradle-to-grave welfare state and place the family and abolished the patriarchy. cooperated in a eugenics program chapter by swedish economists and scientists alike. a student protests in the late 1960s and 70s it used anti-americanism as a safety valve and aligned sweden with the vietcong, khmer rouge rooted feet out castro. sweden as everyone knows policy of neutrality in the napoleonic wars. many know that throughout the cold war, we actually had a second secret military alliance with washington or that farmers job turned to sweden from his studies at cambridge college was in the cia weighing of the swedish intelligence service.sweden is not what it appears. so when in the late 1960s, sweden lost the war on coal and then with global warming. it would i think might be nacve to take this at face value and think that he was motivated by concern about global warming. he was an immensely talented and sophisticated politician. in a newspaper interview where he first talk about global warming, caller explained a vision of utopia has the same function as a mirage in the desert. mirage , you wouldn't get to the next oasis. global warming perhaps is a political mirage and sweden's social democrats were bound to embark on the world's largest in terms of gigawatts per capita. but nuclear power wasn't at all popular with many swedish voters. so when social democrats decided they had to frighten swedes by claiming the alternative to nuclear was worse. sweden does not have control of its own so they played the card by hiding of acid rain. these forests will die and his legs will fill up with sulfuric acid. acid rain became global warming. and palmer's friend was a scientist for berlin berlin both. he said any report in the world anywhere on acid rain, this report has a familiar ring. replace acid rain with climate change and it reads like the prototype of an ip pc assessment report. nearly any single individual can claim for the creation of the intergovernmental panel on climate change and sweden more than any other country will route the ipc into being. as you will find in the pages of my book, global warming was politicized right from the start and make no mistake , global warming was first deployed for political reasons. sweden succeeded in putting acid rain and then global warming on the international agenda but they completely failed when it came to nuclear power. even that sweden started the global warming scare to get nuclear power, how did we end up with wind and solar. in my first book i touched on the local environmentalism dealing with the darkest chapter of europe's history. chaplains happens to be a historical fact that the nazis were the first political party to champion wind power which they did in the 1933 election. weeks after invading the soviet union, he convinced his companions that wind power was the future. you might say in that regard he got something right but for the few decades after the second world war, west germany was a liberal western democracy. many complain that german social democrats have replaced their struggle with the american way of life. that began to change in the 1970s. no other country had such a high proportion of far left as north germany. the survey in 1969 found 30 percent of high school and university students came to marxism or communism. in the 1950s, the marxist intellectuals have returned from the united states to frankfurt for the student protests, particularly in the vietnam war and in 1967, a student demonstrator was shot and killed in westford berlin which was the shock that was west germany on the course to evolve into the progressive country it is today. in fact, the west berlin recently fire that shot was a agent of the east german communist state. in the 1970s, radicalization of students turned into terrorism, culminating in the german order of 1977 and the plane was hijacked, the head of the west german station was kidnapped and killed and imprisoned leaders of the bottom line half gang committed suicide. germans were appalled at the violence. the left found itself walked out from the west edges of society. they soon find a way back. like social democrats, the sbc wanted a string of nuclear power stations. the program awakened something in the germans that had lain dormant since the nazi period. there were huge spontaneous demonstrations against nuclear power, the washed up student radicalsbecame bennett . the green party was formed in 1980, the new left was student radicals by then aging middle-aged radicals taking the leadership of the new parties and absorbing the old ecological guard of ex-nazis, neo-nazis and other far right nationalists. to do this the agents to radicals from the new left didn't have to perform at all. they just caved. they took the left-wing concepts of the past and dress them up in ecological guard we see today. instead of marxism's catastrophic vision of capitalism and catastrophe, instead of a socialist utopia a new ecological one. instead of the gods of the factory, the cold was a terrorist instead of the color red, metallic green. it was written by paul berman, a liberal new york intellectual in an essay first published in the new republic in 2001. putnam writes of the german student radicals from 1968 as being motivated by anti-nazi is in. looking for nazis hiding under every bed and near every cupboard, becoming so twisted they ended up being the state of israel as a crypto nazi state. as berman summarizes the situation, quote, i've set out to fight nazis and its democratic guises, only to have ended up in a modern left-wing guys. green tyranny takes berman's analysis one step further. not only to the new left share these irrationality's of the nazis, they are ending up embracing the nazis green ideology. at left and green makes brown and here we come to an unpleasant tree, one that can't be sugarcoated. people who are on the wrong side of the cold war came out on top in the post-cold war era. the greens helped send the kremlin backed up peace movement into a mass movement to prevent, to try to prevent the atlantic alliance from countering the threats posed by nuclear missiles as marcus president neutron put it, pacifism is in the west, the missiles are in the east. they advocated so-called equidistant, not to the west but more to ourselves. and they argued for what they called nonviolent social defense of the sort norwegians had used against nazi occupation and the second world war and the checks had done so successfully after product crushed by soviet tanks. in other words, abject, total premeditated surrender. say the peacemakers would be a gift would be understating the matter. it was heavily penetrated by eastern bloc intelligence. heavily financed and local communist parties were very critical of the soviet bloc. if the greens had got their way, the europeans of the atlantic atlantic alliance had become detached as it would have effectively lost the protection of the american nuclear umbrella. in short the west would have lost the cold war. >> the german greens being on the wrong side of the cold war turned out to be a career enhancing move. by 1997 there were nine red green coalitions of germany and in 1998, the first red green coalition was being formed in berlin. two years later the german parliament passed the renewable energy act. by giving the highest types of most inefficient renewing technologies, the output put germany on its path to energy insanity. the renewable energy law had not been included in any party manifesto or any election campaign but the mps voting on it didn't know what was in the bill. but that's how germany ended up with more nuclear power than any country in the world and unleashed a solar manufacturing boom in china. where germany led, the rest of europe followed. european leaders agreed to renewable energy directives, thereby sending germany's renewable energy policies to the rest of europe. i put it in the book the greening of your was the price the west paid for winning the cold war. energy transformation was the word germans use for their their road to energy ruin. a more accurate term would be energy the formation. the first outtake of renewable energy is the opposite of the creative destruction described by austin economist and what he called the central fact of our times. rather it is the example of destructive destruction at the hands of the state to over substitute regulations of one parent or another. i devote quite a few pages to analyzing the destructive economics of renewable energy and pull apart the deceptions used by the obama administration to justify killing power plants that i'd like to make a direct point. when you put green ideology and environmentalists in charge of energy policy, the outcome is certain. it will be a car crash. in 2004, the energy industry is 70 energy would cost germans the equivalent of a scoop of ice cream on their monthly energy bill. nine years later, the successor recommended the cost at b,1 trillion, nearly $2.33 million. that's some ice cream. systematic defeat is not a bug. it is a feature of the propaganda put out by the industrial complex. in the book i wrote a revealing speech made in 1986 by german civil servants whose fellow government bureaucrats, his officials disarming the candidate put empty phrases to put forth the environmental agenda. ecologically equilibrium is an example, a phrase he said quite rightly that was meaningless. another was the claim that ecology and the economy were not in conflict. i myself have made this claim , noting it to be less than truthful. just remember that whenever you come across claims about green growth or green energy job bonanza. as i take a contrast to dissimulation and deceit, i'd like to mention the books code indicating. singer is a model of a great scientist. a speaker of scientific understanding and a great communicator of it. before featuring in the climate war, he sat on a panel ofscientists convened by the reagan white house to review the science . it also had a leading role in unmasking the spurious silence of the nuclear winter. another example of where the people had been on the wrong side of the cold war emerged as victors in the post-cold war era. with the exception of two individuals, virtually all the prominent scientists who sign up to the soviet inspired nuclear winter subsequently became prominent supporters of the global warming consensus. now people are referred to by government around the world. i tried to quote what tune is a priceless exchange involving fred. in 1994 nightline gave airtime to al gore and his allegations about who was funding climate skeptics or reminding viewers that the cosmologist carl sagan had predicted massive environmental damage and an alleged climactic apocalypse after the first iraq war. he predicted if there were any smoke it would declare victory as ted koppel told viewers, the record shows that in this instance mister sagan was wrong and doctor singer was right. he went on to accuse al gore of resorting to political means to achieve what should ultimately be resolved on a purely scientific basis which brings me to what the historian peter gates wrote in his back on the enlightened, what he calls the science of freedom. the most important sign for us. the enlightened despot of the 18th century believed they knew better than the people they govern how they should be governed. they have at their disposal a perfectly expedient bureaucracy, all the knowledge possible for him to gather and unlimited authority to translate this program onto law. do i need to say that this is what the climate industrial complex demands of the united states? a form of government americans rejected in 1776 in favor of the truths and bodies in the declaration of independence. america's uniqueness lies not in the fact of its independence but that it became independent to create something without precedent, government dedicated to liberty. the demands of the climate industrial complex and preservation of liberty are incompatible. . the government stands, the global demands more, demands a degree and quantitative data to hold their tongue and that dissent be silenced. as global warming harbors a strong impulse towards the absolutist, and the political culture of the totalitarian. that what makes america unique. ultimately, global warming is a battle for american soul and that's why we're here today. thank you.>>. [applause] >> thank you so very much. we want to have plenty of time for questions so if you have a question, please raise your hand. wait for the microphone to arrive so you can ask your question. >> who has the first question? >> very good, i'm going to go first. and then we will go with the audience. >> when the soviet union fell my name is mike, i'm an investor, and over the hill retired physicists interested in climate change, global warming and all that kind of stuff. when the soviet union fell, they listed lots of confessionals. you've made a good case that this was the soviet union and the international communist conspiracy, shallwe say had a role in this . but it was absent in all of the bad things they admitted doing to us in the papers that were released at that point. is there any documentation or turncoat spies that said they were global warming and some of these other things that are in your book or were left-wing conspiracies? i asked set the left-wing conspiracy but like we are talking about the election, it was a direct collusion? >> i think global warming was not conspired, it really came to be cooked upby swedes . although what is the case is in the 1970s the soviet union, the kremlin exploited environmentalism after the helsinki course which for the west was about human rights. so the soviets tried to shift the argument about that so resident made a speech about the environment. they didn't have to do anything but it was all about demonstrating to credulous people in the west that the soviets were on the right side of the environment. onnuclear winter, the evidence is clear . this was andropause and the kb kgb's prime achievement which was the nuclear winter scare which was taken up by carlsagan and lots of americans in washington to play out this threat . it was really to undermine the reagan administration and the nuclear arms buildup and as i said, they got theirway. the outcome of the cold war would have been very different . >> okay, yes, right here in the back and then we will go to you. >> paul larkin, heritage foundation. i've read a few newspaper accounts that surmise the russians are involved currently in efforts to fund opposition to fracking for the same sort of long-term purpose that you described. is there evidence that that is actually going on? >> i think it's certainly the case that the russians have a huge interest in preventing fracking which has done immense damage to their economy in terms of the collapse in natural gas prices and helping america from inputs of natural gas as an exporter. i don't review the evidence in this book. what i do highlight is how the green oligarchs of silicon valley, people like eric schmidt of google have funded anti-fracking campaigns and thereby essentially waging war on the hydrocarbon economy on the heartland of america, middle of america depends on the and if you like you've got an economic civil war within american capitalism for the two against the middle. >> the gentleman in the back. introduce yourself please. >> i have read your book. >> introduce yourself please, your name? >> you're a citizen? >> i have read your book but what you said over here, it's the first time in my 80 your life that somebody has taught something related together issues to reject some weather scientific here or not. the question is that is global warming happening or not? if it's not happening or happening, doesn't have anything to do with whether it was done by german greens or the soviet union or a war movement or anything else. why question is will global warming actually happening or not? >> very much. >> as it happens i got a paper that's been produced and been published today by a different think tank looked at the science and in particular what scientists themselves say about the certainty or rather the lack of certainty regarding climate science. in the global warming hypothesis but the key thing in the book, most of it is important. i think why this was put on the agenda is an important thing to understand but the prototype of the global warming scare in my view is acid rain and there it's very clear that the science was found out to be wrong. at the national academy of science here and in canada, sweden and britain, the said the science on acid rain is no more certain than that on global warming and they turned out to be wrong. and when the truth emerge, what was interesting was that the epa just was pushing through the clear clean air act amendments through congress. they suppressed that finding, black and the name of the scientists who was a principal scientist involved in the consensus science acid rain was wrong and to this day, none of the academies have retracted or admitted they got the science wrong. so i would put a big? over the credibility of these organizations when they say the science is certain because there's a previous analog where they said that and they got it wrong. >> we do not also say that one of the issues we are dealing with here is the fear mongering that's going on? in other words, going to stem with questions, we started off with a global warming crisis. then it became global warming. and then it became climate change. in other words, they seem to be admitting themselves that we don't have a crisis here, whatever the change in weather is and don't you think that fear mongering is the tactic they are using to try to affect the government's policies? >> not only do i think that, i demonstrate in the book that actually that was absolutely embedded right from the word go. there were two conferences, this is the ipc was being formed in the villa in austria and italy and what's clear from the documents is that to get government to change policy they had to reverse engineer the catastrophe. the discount rates mean traditional discount rates are so low you can't show that there's that much damage occurring from climate change, therefore you have to assume that there's going to be a great big catastrophe down the road and that enables you to justify the policies they wanted so there's actually the case and you can read from the document summarizing in the book, they reverse engineered catastrophe to get the policy response they wanted. >> any other questions here? let me then say as we bring this to a close, we have copies of this book available for you. "green tyranny" exposing the totalitarian routes of the climate industrial complex. one of the things that i think is important for us to keep in mind in the united states of america is we want to encourage people to speak the truth. that's what we are all about and i might say one of the most impressive things to me in addition to just the content of the book is that when you get to page 267 , there are notes that reference other research material. that goes on till page 314. in other words, if you want to speak truth, thefirst thing you should do is get a copy of this book . and then read it. and then go to the footnotes and get those materials and read them. in other words, don't be supplemented by fear mongering, scare tactics and politicians. get rupert darwall's book "green tyranny" and seek truth. let's all thank rupert for being here today. you all very much. >>. 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