Transcripts For CSPAN2 Washington Journal Noelle Straub 2017

Over the rights of westerners who should have more local input the monuments were too big so they needed to be smaller. What was the decision for expanding the money men at the time. President clinton expanded one and president obama created the other. Both were created under the antiquity sack which is a centuriesold law that allows president s to unilaterally protect areas of cultural or scientific significance. Both president clinton and obama said these are areas that have cultural meaning for native american tribes who lived there. They have special scientific and archaeological qualities. So they created them as National Monuments. With the previous president s applied the antiquity sect, should they apply versus others . This is been used by both parties throughout history. President obama used at the most. He created the most National Monuments. President Teddy Roosevelt signed it into law. He was the first to use it. Will continue their conversation about this act yesterday. If you want to ask questions about the decision and implication you can call in. We have heard from President Trump yesterday at the capital before signing the decision. Theres a little bit of his explanation. The families and communities of utah no one love this land the best. And you know the best how to take care of freelance. You know how to protect it. You know best how to conserve this land for many generations to come. Your timeless bond with the outdoors should not be replaced with the winds of regulators, thousands and thousands of miles away. They dont know your lan, and truly, they dont care for your land like you do. [applause] but, from now on that wont matter. Comes utah to take historic action. To reverse federal overreach to restore the rights of this land to your citizens. She said you know how to manage the land take care of it who is you . Guest hes talking to local residents. These are federal lands. It depends on your point of view if they should be managed by the federal government as a National Monument or local people should have more input on how their neighborhood should be managed. Host who are the main supporters of this . Guest the entire utah delegation, theyre all republicans. Some of the local counsel all supported it. People who dont support it, environmental groups, native american tribes, Outdoor Industry record recreation fol folks. Host and they have a story about those, five american tribes that were mad about shrinking the area and they said they declared war on us. There will be a lawsuit filed by five of the tribes and it will be called Navajo Nation versus trunk. If you like the federal government and their tribes are in dispute over the issue. What about Natural Resources within the lands . Guest in the proclamation it says grazing will be allowed, mining, gas development, atv use, motorized vehicles on the lands again. Host our first call is from tulsa, oklahoma. David is on with our guests. Go ahead. Caller i oppose President Trumps actions yesterday. I think the native American People were here far before the people of the United States and the europeans who migrated west. I think this is an abuse of power once again i think theres going to be a lot of artifacts from the tribes that will be destroyed from mining. You summed up the arguments of the five tribes were strongly against this action. Their ancestral objects may be stolen or damaged or destroyed. The supporters of President Trumps actions would say the plans and the lands will made private land so just be managed differently. It depends on your point of vi view. Caller the comment i have is that it is sad this country is still ceiling landis i see it and that in fact just roiling for trumps investments a pullback better toasty citigroup most americans is really a travesty of justice. What more can you say . He is into Oil Investments in is destroying the country. When it comes to federal Land Ownership 60 of alaska a combination of 11 western states it comes down to history. Some of the lands were not able to be settled where that homesteading act was in place they can it be settled most of those were not inhabited another map tells us the land in the west. Almost all the public lands and its a big issue out west. That plays into the western d. C. As trump kept saying the bureaucrats are thousands of miles away and so there is a Cultural Divide between because of other actions could have more control over . So they made recommendations to President Trump in the summer of what National Monuments might be shrunk. They came down to half a dozen. Yesterday they declared the turn utah that they shrunk. Mr. Possibly two more and theres one in nevada. So those might be reduced in size. A morning i like people to look up in the dictionary native. And before it was america there was Indigenous People here that makes all of us from england and other parts foreigners. We have foreigners voting against foreigners. I like also for people to look in the dictionary and look up the word conserve. Host how does that apply to the action of yesterday . These people have no right to take a way land. And i would like them to work up the world welfare. Host who are you referring to . The settlers, the pilgrims. Guest thats an issue that will be decided in the courts. The five American Indian tribes are following the lawsuit today and this is something they will argue in courts and im sure it will be argued for years to come. Good morning. Just as the disclaimer i voted for trump and he never ceased to disappoint me. These are federal lands. People like myself from eleanor are some of those who contribute more to the government then we get back, all these projects we find and underwrite. Getting upset that in a more sympathetic to the native american argument but the people in utah couldnt live there for more for my water project. Everybody in the country because we own it equally should have a say whats being done with these lands. These are federal lands known by all americans equally. The question centers on who should manage them and how much local input. These will remain federal lands but will create a counsel that will have input over how the lands are managed. People differ in their views of who should be on that counsel. So depends on if you live there not and how federal lands should be there there is legislation in congress that would have a Co Management team. Lorne is up next. Hello, i myself spend monthly good up to the National Parks when i can. There National Parks in the making. Larson speak yesterday and they talked about the monuments giving people access today, so they can raise cattle, people can hike and bike. Out of them. It is important people realize and work to keep the places in tact. Here is more on the chopping block. There is 27 in total, these are just the first two. Concerned about this can you talk about the economic aspect and expand on that . Guest absolutely. The author recreation industry is very involved in the issue. Several of the Big Companies have put up what is on the front dapage of the website yesterday and today, one of them says that the president is feeling our land. The recreation industry is very open arms about this and very upset. Because they make a lot of money off of people and go and buy hiking inequipment, camping fishing, etc. On the other side, people say that, critics say that the main economic driver of this land should be mining, grazing, more Extractive Industries. So you have tension between the two. Host can they coexist . Guest that is a good question yes. The lands are made for multiple years. Depending on how they are managed. If they ntare made into nationa monuments and it is definitely more restrictive. More of the uses will not be allowed. Host to the utah representatives on the state level indicate how they plan to use this new access of land now that the president made this decision . Guest yeah. 60 days after the proclamation signed, 60 days mystery, the mining claims will be allowed. They will start considering so that will all move forward quickly. Host and we have the Natural Resources editor. Tell us about what this is. Is a fantastic publication that covers environmental and energy issues. We are all online. It is information you really cannot get anywhere else. They cover every environmental issue. If you have any interest in the fields it is an incredible useful resource. Host have we had any response neither president clinton or obama about this decision . Speech of president obama, i do not know but yesterday but in the past he has been very defensive of the monuments. And various forceful that he had public input and consider this in great detail. He has been very defensive of his efforts. Host lets hear from in georgia. Democrat line. Good morning, thank you for taking my call. I will direct this question two noelle straub. Donald trump, commanderinchief, it appears that the only types of situations he wants to get involved in is tearing down. If the people that were affected by what was created, you have freedom of speech. Id enough time to say this is harming us, this is harming us. But he seems to want to go about his way of, when something is going okay. What can i take off of the chopping block today . To me, being commanderinchief has nothing to do if you are democrat, republican or independent. This man is ruthless and my vote is for impeachment. But i wanted to have your opinion on this tear down that is going through my mind. He wants to tear down what others have created. Thank you for listening to my question. Guest this is an unprecedented move, for sure. He took 2 million acres out of National Monument status. That has never been done before. I should say, other president s have taken some land but it has only been 1 4 with what President Trump did. And this will be challenged in court. There are 10 environmental groups are banded together to file one lawsuit. The American Indian tribes also filing a lawsuit and then several state attorneys general that have also threatened to File Lawsuits . Maybe three different lawsuits. So it remains to be seen whether the president has the Legal Authority to do this or not. Host several tweets came back yesterday after this decision. Secretary ryan zinke putting out a tweet same as a restricted local voice of Land Management in utah. Thank you mr. President. There is also a response with you did the people of utah a great favor today by rolling back harmful landuse restrictions. And another treatment from a democrat on the committee. Including senator cantwell sent on polluting public land, with mining and drilling we cannot to an economy after the the past into the future. Guest became almost along party lines. Democrats are very opposed, republicans are for this. We are sort of expecting what came out. Host the independent line. Steve is next. Angood morning. I wanted to touch on the history and how we got here that you started talking about a minute ago. I was born out west. I do not think a lot of people on the coast understand just how deeply this goes. Really, my understanding is what we are dealing with is kind of comments under the states, 150yearold injustice. Some of the western states were created under the lincoln administration. In order to reelected during the civil war. And they were created with very small numbers of people and as a result, there were certain provisions under which they were created that makes them almost well, makes them secondclass states. The truck that he put up a minute ago really understates the issue. And says 11 western states, 46 percent of the land is federally controlled. States like utah and nevada that is up to 80 percent. That several of the state constitutions actually contain subjugation clauses. That the states would be subject to. No other state constitution in this country contain that. And in fact, your chart bears it out that, why would 46 percent of the western states be controlled as opposed to 4. 2 percent of the other states . Host thank you for the input. Guest a letter this goes back to geography. These western states, like i said before, a lot of them transfer the areas that have been protected are very dry, their rugged, mountainous. They are not suitable, necessarily for farming or ranching the wastage of the east of the mississippi were settled. There were a yelot of residents out there and so they remained federal land. Host in texas, health joining us on the democrat line. Al joining us on the democrat line. Good morning. He had this thing with a picture of Andrew Jackson and navajo and then using pocahontas as a slur. The native american casinos competed with his casinos and he is on record saying, these indians do not look like indians to me. And he is also doing the same thing with the nfl for his endeavor. Host out of all that applies to yesterday, can you connect the dots for us, please . Is just saying, im not going to any sympathy for native americans. Im going to do what i want to do. I was lost this week, they do not make us strong. He wants to get credit for what he tears down in who he hurts. That is his, that is what success is to him. Host thank you al. Guest to be fair, not all native americans agree on this issue either. There are some navajo, a county commissioner standing behind the present when he signed the proclamation. So there are some native americans that definitely support the president s actions. The majority, the five tribes are suing but is probably not fair to say he doesnot take any native americans into account because he definitely has some supporters. Host for michigan, joe is next on the democrat line. Good i morning. I just want to point out, a good left good luck to native americans. There are zero trees have been upheld by the United States government with the indian tribes. The badlands. The government said you can have this land but nobody else wants it. They are bad lands. You can have it as part of your reservation. Unfortunately, gold was discovered. And i think we all know the story about the sioux. And this will last forever until friday. Whichever comes first. Thank you. Guest the five tribes that are suing where the five that petitioned the government to create bears ears. So president obama last year decided to create this in large part because the five tribes pushed hard for it. Theyre incredibly upset and angry and do feel disrespected. Like i said, the issue will play out in court and we will see what happens. Host from illinois, democrat line, cindy. Go ahead. I have a question that obama donald trump made it sound like he was returning the land to the people so that they can take care of it themselves. How are the Oil Companies and Gas Companies going to take care of those lands if they are going in there and drilling them up . It sounds like that is the only reason that he is doing it. Host thank you. Guest the lands will remain federal. Even when there is mining or gas drilling, the government will oversee it. They will have to go through environmental analysis eebefore the land is leased. The government will still have oversight of these Extractive Industries but they will have more of a chance to go on the land. Final quote from illinois. Tom, go ahead. Thank you for taking my call. Is it possible in the future the oldest be overturned and be stated in law if congress overturns it . And if we get control, democrats get control of the house, the oval office and so on and so forth. Is that possible . Host thank you very much. Guest the answer is yes. Congress has the entire power to do whatever it wants to public land. They are the ones who can create protections, take them away, congress has full power. The legal question is whether the president also has the power. The president definitely has the power to create National Monuments. But the statute did not say that the president would have the power to reduce or get rid of a National Monument. That cois the question. Congress can definitely do whatever it likes with the land. Could Congress Change antiquities at altogether . Is that even a discussion . It is. There is a republican, the chairman of the house Natural Resources committee has legislation that would reform the antiquities act. That will come up and be a hot debate in n congress as well. Host noelle straub, editor for eme news. If you like to see more you can go to the website. Thank you. Guest thank you for having me. Cspan2 washington journal live every day with issues that impact you. On wednesday, al green will talk about articles of impeachment and a republican congressman will be us to talk about the rising military tensions with north korea over the Nuclear Weapons program. And where live in tallahassee, florida for the next stop on the 50 capital store with the Florida House speaker. We will discuss Sexual Misconduct and update on the impact of hurricane irma. This is live seven eastern on wednesday morning. Join the discussion. Tonight on cspan2. Senate leaders discuss the congressional agenda for the rest of the year. Then, politico hosts a womens leadership conference. Later, Senate Debate over tax reform. Following Party Meetings at the capital, National Monument<\/a>s. With the previous president s applied the antiquity sect, should they apply versus others . This is been used by both parties throughout history. President obama used at the most. He created the most National Monument<\/a>s. President Teddy Roosevelt<\/a> signed it into law. He was the first to use it. Will continue their conversation about this act yesterday. If you want to ask questions about the decision and implication you can call in. We have heard from President Trump<\/a> yesterday at the capital before signing the decision. Theres a little bit of his explanation. The families and communities of utah no one love this land the best. And you know the best how to take care of freelance. You know how to protect it. You know best how to conserve this land for many generations to come. Your timeless bond with the outdoors should not be replaced with the winds of regulators, thousands and thousands of miles away. They dont know your lan, and truly, they dont care for your land like you do. [applause] but, from now on that wont matter. Comes utah to take historic action. To reverse federal overreach to restore the rights of this land to your citizens. She said you know how to manage the land take care of it who is you . Guest hes talking to local residents. These are federal lands. It depends on your point of view if they should be managed by the federal government as a National Monument<\/a> or local people should have more input on how their neighborhood should be managed. Host who are the main supporters of this . Guest the entire utah delegation, theyre all republicans. Some of the local counsel all supported it. People who dont support it, environmental groups, native american tribes, Outdoor Industry<\/a> record recreation fol folks. Host and they have a story about those, five american tribes that were mad about shrinking the area and they said they declared war on us. There will be a lawsuit filed by five of the tribes and it will be called Navajo Nation<\/a> versus trunk. If you like the federal government and their tribes are in dispute over the issue. What about Natural Resources<\/a> within the lands . Guest in the proclamation it says grazing will be allowed, mining, gas development, atv use, motorized vehicles on the lands again. Host our first call is from tulsa, oklahoma. David is on with our guests. Go ahead. Caller i oppose President Trump<\/a>s actions yesterday. I think the native American People<\/a> were here far before the people of the United States<\/a> and the europeans who migrated west. I think this is an abuse of power once again i think theres going to be a lot of artifacts from the tribes that will be destroyed from mining. You summed up the arguments of the five tribes were strongly against this action. Their ancestral objects may be stolen or damaged or destroyed. The supporters of President Trump<\/a>s actions would say the plans and the lands will made private land so just be managed differently. It depends on your point of vi view. Caller the comment i have is that it is sad this country is still ceiling landis i see it and that in fact just roiling for trumps investments a pullback better toasty citigroup most americans is really a travesty of justice. What more can you say . He is into Oil Investments<\/a> in is destroying the country. When it comes to federal Land Ownership<\/a> 60 of alaska a combination of 11 western states it comes down to history. Some of the lands were not able to be settled where that homesteading act was in place they can it be settled most of those were not inhabited another map tells us the land in the west. Almost all the public lands and its a big issue out west. That plays into the western d. C. As trump kept saying the bureaucrats are thousands of miles away and so there is a Cultural Divide<\/a> between because of other actions could have more control over . So they made recommendations to President Trump<\/a> in the summer of what National Monument<\/a>s might be shrunk. They came down to half a dozen. Yesterday they declared the turn utah that they shrunk. Mr. Possibly two more and theres one in nevada. So those might be reduced in size. A morning i like people to look up in the dictionary native. And before it was america there was Indigenous People<\/a> here that makes all of us from england and other parts foreigners. We have foreigners voting against foreigners. I like also for people to look in the dictionary and look up the word conserve. Host how does that apply to the action of yesterday . These people have no right to take a way land. And i would like them to work up the world welfare. Host who are you referring to . The settlers, the pilgrims. Guest thats an issue that will be decided in the courts. The five American Indian<\/a> tribes are following the lawsuit today and this is something they will argue in courts and im sure it will be argued for years to come. Good morning. Just as the disclaimer i voted for trump and he never ceased to disappoint me. These are federal lands. People like myself from eleanor are some of those who contribute more to the government then we get back, all these projects we find and underwrite. Getting upset that in a more sympathetic to the native american argument but the people in utah couldnt live there for more for my water project. Everybody in the country because we own it equally should have a say whats being done with these lands. These are federal lands known by all americans equally. The question centers on who should manage them and how much local input. These will remain federal lands but will create a counsel that will have input over how the lands are managed. People differ in their views of who should be on that counsel. So depends on if you live there not and how federal lands should be there there is legislation in congress that would have a Co Management<\/a> team. Lorne is up next. Hello, i myself spend monthly good up to the National Parks<\/a> when i can. There National Parks<\/a> in the making. Larson speak yesterday and they talked about the monuments giving people access today, so they can raise cattle, people can hike and bike. Out of them. It is important people realize and work to keep the places in tact. Here is more on the chopping block. There is 27 in total, these are just the first two. Concerned about this can you talk about the economic aspect and expand on that . Guest absolutely. The author recreation industry is very involved in the issue. Several of the Big Companies<\/a> have put up what is on the front dapage of the website yesterday and today, one of them says that the president is feeling our land. The recreation industry is very open arms about this and very upset. Because they make a lot of money off of people and go and buy hiking inequipment, camping fishing, etc. On the other side, people say that, critics say that the main economic driver of this land should be mining, grazing, more Extractive Industries<\/a>. So you have tension between the two. Host can they coexist . Guest that is a good question yes. The lands are made for multiple years. Depending on how they are managed. If they ntare made into nationa monuments and it is definitely more restrictive. More of the uses will not be allowed. Host to the utah representatives on the state level indicate how they plan to use this new access of land now that the president made this decision . Guest yeah. 60 days after the proclamation signed, 60 days mystery, the mining claims will be allowed. They will start considering so that will all move forward quickly. Host and we have the Natural Resources<\/a> editor. Tell us about what this is. Is a fantastic publication that covers environmental and energy issues. We are all online. It is information you really cannot get anywhere else. They cover every environmental issue. If you have any interest in the fields it is an incredible useful resource. Host have we had any response neither president clinton or obama about this decision . Speech of president obama, i do not know but yesterday but in the past he has been very defensive of the monuments. And various forceful that he had public input and consider this in great detail. He has been very defensive of his efforts. Host lets hear from in georgia. Democrat line. Good morning, thank you for taking my call. I will direct this question two noelle straub. Donald trump, commanderinchief, it appears that the only types of situations he wants to get involved in is tearing down. If the people that were affected by what was created, you have freedom of speech. Id enough time to say this is harming us, this is harming us. But he seems to want to go about his way of, when something is going okay. What can i take off of the chopping block today . To me, being commanderinchief has nothing to do if you are democrat, republican or independent. This man is ruthless and my vote is for impeachment. But i wanted to have your opinion on this tear down that is going through my mind. He wants to tear down what others have created. Thank you for listening to my question. Guest this is an unprecedented move, for sure. He took 2 million acres out of National Monument<\/a> status. That has never been done before. I should say, other president s have taken some land but it has only been 1 4 with what President Trump<\/a> did. And this will be challenged in court. There are 10 environmental groups are banded together to file one lawsuit. The American Indian<\/a> tribes also filing a lawsuit and then several state attorneys general that have also threatened to File Lawsuits<\/a> . Maybe three different lawsuits. So it remains to be seen whether the president has the Legal Authority<\/a> to do this or not. Host several tweets came back yesterday after this decision. Secretary ryan zinke putting out a tweet same as a restricted local voice of Land Management<\/a> in utah. Thank you mr. President. There is also a response with you did the people of utah a great favor today by rolling back harmful landuse restrictions. And another treatment from a democrat on the committee. Including senator cantwell sent on polluting public land, with mining and drilling we cannot to an economy after the the past into the future. Guest became almost along party lines. Democrats are very opposed, republicans are for this. We are sort of expecting what came out. Host the independent line. Steve is next. Angood morning. I wanted to touch on the history and how we got here that you started talking about a minute ago. I was born out west. I do not think a lot of people on the coast understand just how deeply this goes. Really, my understanding is what we are dealing with is kind of comments under the states, 150yearold injustice. Some of the western states were created under the lincoln administration. In order to reelected during the civil war. And they were created with very small numbers of people and as a result, there were certain provisions under which they were created that makes them almost well, makes them secondclass states. The truck that he put up a minute ago really understates the issue. And says 11 western states, 46 percent of the land is federally controlled. States like utah and nevada that is up to 80 percent. That several of the state constitutions actually contain subjugation clauses. That the states would be subject to. No other state constitution in this country contain that. And in fact, your chart bears it out that, why would 46 percent of the western states be controlled as opposed to 4. 2 percent of the other states . Host thank you for the input. Guest a letter this goes back to geography. These western states, like i said before, a lot of them transfer the areas that have been protected are very dry, their rugged, mountainous. They are not suitable, necessarily for farming or ranching the wastage of the east of the mississippi were settled. There were a yelot of residents out there and so they remained federal land. Host in texas, health joining us on the democrat line. Al joining us on the democrat line. Good morning. He had this thing with a picture of Andrew Jackson<\/a> and navajo and then using pocahontas as a slur. The native american casinos competed with his casinos and he is on record saying, these indians do not look like indians to me. And he is also doing the same thing with the nfl for his endeavor. Host out of all that applies to yesterday, can you connect the dots for us, please . Is just saying, im not going to any sympathy for native americans. Im going to do what i want to do. I was lost this week, they do not make us strong. He wants to get credit for what he tears down in who he hurts. That is his, that is what success is to him. Host thank you al. Guest to be fair, not all native americans agree on this issue either. There are some navajo, a county commissioner standing behind the present when he signed the proclamation. So there are some native americans that definitely support the president s actions. The majority, the five tribes are suing but is probably not fair to say he doesnot take any native americans into account because he definitely has some supporters. Host for michigan, joe is next on the democrat line. Good i morning. I just want to point out, a good left good luck to native americans. There are zero trees have been upheld by the United States<\/a> government with the indian tribes. The badlands. The government said you can have this land but nobody else wants it. They are bad lands. You can have it as part of your reservation. Unfortunately, gold was discovered. And i think we all know the story about the sioux. And this will last forever until friday. Whichever comes first. Thank you. Guest the five tribes that are suing where the five that petitioned the government to create bears ears. So president obama last year decided to create this in large part because the five tribes pushed hard for it. Theyre incredibly upset and angry and do feel disrespected. Like i said, the issue will play out in court and we will see what happens. Host from illinois, democrat line, cindy. Go ahead. I have a question that obama donald trump made it sound like he was returning the land to the people so that they can take care of it themselves. How are the Oil Companies<\/a> and Gas Companies<\/a> going to take care of those lands if they are going in there and drilling them up . It sounds like that is the only reason that he is doing it. Host thank you. Guest the lands will remain federal. Even when there is mining or gas drilling, the government will oversee it. They will have to go through environmental analysis eebefore the land is leased. The government will still have oversight of these Extractive Industries<\/a> but they will have more of a chance to go on the land. Final quote from illinois. Tom, go ahead. Thank you for taking my call. Is it possible in the future the oldest be overturned and be stated in law if congress overturns it . And if we get control, democrats get control of the house, the oval office and so on and so forth. Is that possible . Host thank you very much. Guest the answer is yes. Congress has the entire power to do whatever it wants to public land. They are the ones who can create protections, take them away, congress has full power. The legal question is whether the president also has the power. The president definitely has the power to create National Monument<\/a>s. But the statute did not say that the president would have the power to reduce or get rid of a National Monument<\/a>. That cois the question. Congress can definitely do whatever it likes with the land. Could Congress Change<\/a> antiquities at altogether . Is that even a discussion . It is. There is a republican, the chairman of the house Natural Resources<\/a> committee has legislation that would reform the antiquities act. That will come up and be a hot debate in n congress as well. Host noelle straub, editor for eme news. If you like to see more you can go to the website. Thank you. Guest thank you for having me. Cspan2 washington journal live every day with issues that impact you. On wednesday, al green will talk about articles of impeachment and a republican congressman will be us to talk about the rising military tensions with north korea over the Nuclear Weapons<\/a> program. And where live in tallahassee, florida for the next stop on the 50 capital store with the Florida House<\/a> speaker. We will discuss Sexual Misconduct<\/a> and update on the impact of hurricane irma. This is live seven eastern on wednesday morning. Join the discussion. Tonight on cspan2. Senate leaders discuss the congressional agenda for the rest of the year. Then, politico hosts a womens leadership conference. Later, Senate Debate<\/a> over tax reform. 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