Thank you. You are watching the tv on cspan2 with top Nonfiction Book and authors every weekend. Book tv, television for serious readers. Secretary clinton, lets talk about the book what happened. You write the first warning sign was North Carolina. Walk us through that evening. Yes, well it was a poor that in North Carolina coming in pretty quick succession. We always knew North Carolina would be hard for many reasons but we thought we had them, a good lead going into election day because it was early voting in florida so when those numbers started coming in that was quite surprising and disappointing. It wasnt the end, by any means, there were a number of ways we thought that we would get to 270 electoral votes but it was a very long night and around midnight when michigan and wisconsin and sabina came in we knew that we were going to be successful. What was going through your mind . At first i was worried but not alarmed with the early returns because again, as i said, our numbers looked very good in pennsylvania, michigan, wisconsin, as did everyone else been consulted. As the evening went on and we were getting not only the broadcast numbers but reaching out to people working with us in those states, it had some surprising outcomes that we were following closely and concerned about. What went through my mind was there was nothing i can do right now and i went and laid down, shut my eyes for a little while because i wanted to collect myself and i had not prepared a concession speech. I thought i was going to win and then when the news came in around midnight i had to do some very hard, painful thinking. Obviously, there were questions we had and i raised some of those questions in the book about what was really going on but as of this moment i had to call donald trump, who seemed to be pretty surprised about the outcome, and there has been reporting since saying that he was. I called president obama and decided working on a concession speech. You pick up the phone and the donald, its hillary. Then what happened . Well, basically i said congratulations. It looks like you will be our next president and i wish you well and if there is any way i can help you, call on me. It was short and very much thank you and thanks for calling and then he went out to address his crowd. In your concession speech the next days of the following you said we owe him an open mind and a chance to lead. Yes, and i really believe that. Nine and half months into his presidency, how is he doing . Not very well. Its sad to me. I take no pleasure in any of this. I knew the kind of campaign he iran which i found very deeply disturbing. I said many times that i didnt think he had the experience or the temperament that would qualify him to be president but people say and do things in things all the time. You cover this from start to finish and so, i was hoping that we would see donald trump emerge who understood the gravity of the position he was about to assume. I think it has not worked out the way i would have wanted for our country. Instead, i believe we are still seeing starting on inauguration day, a lot of the same irresponsible, impulsive behavior that is ascending a lot of wrong signals here at home and around the world. In your book and you talk about the state dining room and the white house and the letter that john adams wrote to his wife and in part he said they found but honest and wise men ever rule under this roof. Yes, i did. Would you put trump under this category . No, and the reason i put that in his because i went down sometimes at night and walk the first floor of the white house and i think about the history that happened there and ending up before the fireplace with that engraved at the top of it and i had lost to one of the number of republicans were seeking the nomination and i would have been disappointed. I would not have agreed with them on many of the policies they were going to pursue. But i do not think i wouldve had the doubts and worries i have and in fact, im sure of it, with respect to president tremendous behavior. I just came back from a trip to england and wales and korea and there is a great uncertainty out there. What does he mean when he tweets and what are his real objectives and what is he trying to achieve on behalf of america and the world. He has created so much confusion in the minds of so many. Have you talked to the president sense hes taken office . No, i have not. Other than after the inauguration and a right in the first chapter bill and i went as a former president and first lady and we thought it was our duty to do that and it was hard because his speech was not at all what i had hoped for. I thought it would be a perfect opportunity for him to reach out and embrace all americans, those who supported him, those who do not and is what i intended to do if i had been in that position. Then of course we heard him talking about carnage and it was dark in devices rhetoric that we got in that moment. After words i went to the lunch and i shook his hand, said hello to him, wished him well but that is less than 15 them. If you could sit down with him and give him advice, what would you tell him . I would tell him to take a deep breath, slow down, be willing to listen to people who may not necessarily already agree with you. Have an open mind about some of the tough decisions and be more open to facts and evidence the consequences of your policies. I would certainly is a former secretary of state talk to him about korea and iran and i would talk to him about the threat russia poses to europe and to our internal wellbeing because of the continuing attacks that we know who is undertaking against our own unity at home. I would do my best to lay out the case and i would say, mr. President , you have the opportunity to change course. Look, i know we are all fully formed adults and we get into this office but that doesnt mean we stop learning. It is like you love to play golf and most former president s like barack obama and do and youre not averse to having some pro give you some tips about how to be an even better golfer. This job is so demanding and you have to have a more regular schedule and you have to have an open mind so you can take in information and listen to people and please, get more people who know things into your government. The state department is missing so many of the top decisions and these are people who speak the language and know the culture and you are dealing with north korea, iran, and they have expanded can help you. I would try and i know others have tried and i talk to people who been in the oval office, trying to help them, trying to provide support and it might last 24 or 40 hours and then he feels compelled to return to the attack mode and the insult mode and he has to dominate and overcome people especially those who disagree with him and hes in his fight with senator corker and hes in a fight with congresswoman wilson is in fight with all of these people all the time and it takes energy and you need to be focused on solving problems, not settling scores. Is in a fight with the secretary of state . I think he is undercutting the secretary of state. One of the saddest tweets that i am aware of and there have been a bunch of them was when tillerson was doing his job to try to get us on a diplomatic track which is what we must do bringing the chinese into the forefront, as well as japan and korea and others so tillerson was doing his job and basically the president tweets forget about it, there is only one way to go. If you are the secretary of state you have got to be perceived as speaking for the president and for the nation and that is what tillerson thought he was doing and his president in front of the world basically humiliated him. How do you solve the north korea problem . I was just in korea and i was asked to speak about that and other matters. There is no easy solution. I am well aware of that and i have followed this closely for 25 years. Both in the white house when my husband was there as well as a senator and secretary of state. Here is what i know. The chinese have to be persuaded and i think that they are closer to being persuaded than they have been in the past. The behavior of kim jongun and is dangerous to them and dangerous to piece and prosperity in the region. The chinese have always taken the view that they can balance off north and south korea and by doing so keep the United States on a back foot. Now, with the behavior of kim jongun and and frankly, the very rude attitude he has taken toward much of the chinese leadership and his pursuant Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles with a Nuclear Warhead the chinese now have a huge stake in helping to rein him in and enforcing the sanctions that have been tightened at the un. And getting korea, by working through the pla, Peoples Liberation army and the military in north korea and to get them to negotiate the table and there is no substitute for just sitting there day after day. I started the negotiation with iran and i was the one who sent out the feelers and sent out the first people to meet with the iranians to see if something was possible and it took years. I know what happened in the irish Peace Process and it years. You have got to have strategic patience and some people dismiss that but in fact, in a world where unless you want to cause a nuclear warfare, which i hope no one wants, you will have to but at the same time that you are working patiently to get everyone to the table and convince china to play a more active role, you do need to say there will be consequences if you send a missile over our allies that we are sworn to protect, japan and south korea, or our territory like ron, or you begin testing missiles that could reach hawaii or the west coast of our country, there will be severe consequences. Make no mistake. But you do not say that in a tweets. You do not say that in an insult calling him rocket man and all of that because that plays into his hands. You do it in a calm. Clear way that delivers the message. Of course, we have to continue to defend our allies which, if i put Missile Defense in south korea, the chinese do not like that. In fact i was asked about that in school because they are for cutting certain korean businesses and the answer is dont boycott people trying to protect themselves from what could happen to them but help us contain and deter the north doing anything. s when senator corker made reference to world war iii, what was your reaction . I have worked with bob corker and hes very conservative and sober but a very good person to work with. Ive worked with him particularly as secretary of state on the new start treaty to Lower Nuclear weapons in both russia and the United States. He does his homework. He studies things. He comes to a thoughtful conclusion. What he said is we could have a war fight total miscalculation. When you are using twitter to communicate and when youre insulting instead of doing the hard slow work of actually putting together some kind of diplomatic response, someone can miscalculate and that somebody is certainly could be kim jongun. Hes already flown to missiles over japan that we know of and has already threatened guam. He threatened the United States and if he believes that there is no appetite in this administration, at least by the president , to deal with some of these bigger issues who knows what he might do he might not even intend the consequences but unfortunately they work slow. At what point did you say i would write about this campaign is to mark it was interesting. I had no intention of doing it after the election. I was suspended and devastated and somewhat in a state of shock because i couldnt be out what had happened. You come back to the concession speech and walk us through that afternoon. Well, i gave the concession speech and there were a lot of friends and supporters there obviously a lot of hugs and tears and finally bill and i leave and we get in the backseat of our car and i felt like every ounce of adrenaline was draining out. I was so exhausted. We basically sat there. We got home and on came the sweats and the police and just trying to catch up on sleep and play with our dog and we started the next day to go for walks in the woods which we like to do but i was in a state of total confusion. I didnt know and i related in the book about what it felt like and the walks in the woods and yoga and cleaning my closet and my chardonnay and all of that. We began to see analyses or commentary about the election and i thought people were missing a lot of what i thought was critical to the outcome. We were just understanding what the russians had done and after the election the Obama Administration actually came out with even more information about what the russians had been up to and began to sanction certain russian individuals and institutions for their inter parents in the election but it took weeks and months and we are still learning about the russians were up to and how effective they were. They are masters of propaganda and this wasnt their first rodeo. They knew how to influence voters in the used social media and they used box and trolls and socalled content farms and fake news and they were rolling it all out. Of course the question that is being investigated is where they coordinating with the Trump Campaign and we will find the answer to that. I thought it was important that people began to Pay Attention of what the russians did because it was an ongoing threat. It is not going away. We finally learned that they had intruded into election systems and maybe as many as 30 or more states. What does that mean and how do we protect ourselves from a foreign adversary . There was that piece of it and that was not getting the coverage i thought. Then as we remember there was a big debate that started after the election was it economic anxiety or cultural anxiety and i thought that was an important question. Forster was economic anxiety but it was also a clear theme in terms campaign, appealing to anti immigrants, to race, to anti islamic attitudes, to sexism, on and on. Then, slowly information started coming out and independent respected third parties looking at independent data and in exit polls for people who said the economy was the number one issue i won those people and maybe despite the best efforts to prevent my message from getting across people heard me talking about jobs and income inequality and the like which i talked about endlessly. That was an important question for us to explore and then Voter Suppression. Every day that goes by we are going more information particularly out of wisconsin where there was so much evidence of Voter Suppression and there has been excellent studies that i think are compelling. As this went on and as i said to myself what happened was a bit . And i wanted to know what went on and i could only figure out how to do that was to immerse myself in all the information as it was becoming available, to sort it out, to try to get through the evidence as best i could and as i thought about that i thought maybe there is a book there and i felt like i owed an explanation to my supporters, all 65. 8 million of them and to myself into history so i wanted it to be personal, political and historical. Lets come back to the book but sean hannity has been critical of the uranium one deal that the president is saying was regarded and thats a real story in all of this. What would you say to those critics . Is the same baloney theyve been peddling for years. Theres been no credible evidence by anyone. It has been debunked repeatedly and will continue to be debunked. Here is what they are doing. I have to give them credit. Trump and his allies including fox news are really experts at distractions and diversion. The closer the investigation about real russian ties between Trump Associates and real russians as we heard Jeff Sessions finally admit to in his testimony the other day and the more they want to provide on the wall and im their favorite target and president obama and we are the ones they like to put into the crosshairs. Yes, i am not surprised but i think the real story is how nervous they are about these continuing investigations. I blame myself in the worst fears about my worst fears as a candidate came true. I try to take the reader through the thought process that led to my finally deciding to run and number one i was worried that its a hard historical trend to try to succeed the president of your own party. My husband and the chapter i write about this process i went through, he says you can lose because its a hard historical burden to carry. I worried that i would not be as effective in taking my brand of leadership is every time im in Office People give me high marks for but translating it into a campaign. I write about this and there seem to be a kind of mismatch between what i consider the seriousness of the responsibility of laying out for the American People what you would do as president and the performance aspects of running for president. I say look, donald trump was our first reality tv candidate. I, for better or for worse, was a candidate of reality and i tried to match that the best i could but i wasnt going to go after immigrants and i wasnt going to revert to racism and homophobia and anti muslim talk. I wasnt going to do that. I saw in the primary campaign how effective trump was in insulting, attacking and dismissing 16 or 17 people he was running against many of whom had one tough elections and have experience in had policies they wanted to put forth. That is when i realized this was a Different Campaign and its a campaign right out of reality tv which is what he had been involved in four years. How do i match that and how do i try to deal with that. Then there was the whole other question of sexism and misogyny and the double standard. I knew it was alive and well and i thought that i could get through it and demonstrate that i was not only up for the job at best qualified for the job. Running against an unapologetic Sexual Assault or who was after women going on to people in the media and going on to me and it made it hard because on the one hand as i write about the second debate with him leering and lurking and trying to assert his dominance over me on the stage, if you turn the sound off he looks like the big alpha male and he is there and im ready to take on all