Walk us through that evening . Guest yes, well it was actually florida North Carolina coming and pretty quick succession. We always knew North Carolina would be hard for many reasons, but we thought we had a good lead going into election day because of early voting in florida, so when those number started coming in, that was quite surprising, disappointing. It wasnt the end, by any means, because they were a number of ways we saw week would get to 270 electoral votes, but it was a very very long night and then around midnight when michigan and wisconsin and pennsylvania came in, we knew we werent going to be successful. Host what was going through your mind . Guest well, at first i was worried, but not alarmed with early returns because again, as i said our numbers looked very good in pennsylvania, michigan, wisconsin as did everyone else as we had consultant, but as the evening went on and we were getting not only the broadcast numbers, but reaching out to people working with us in those states, it had some surprising outcomes that we were following closely and concerned about, so want to enter my mind was there was nothing a could do right now i laid down, shut my eyes for a while because i wanted to collect myself. I had not prepared a concession speech or guy thought i was going to win, and then when the news came in i would say around midnights i had to do some very hard painful thinking. Obviously, there were questions we had and i raised some of the questions in the book about what was really going on, but as of that moment i had to call donald trump who seemed to be pretty surprised about the outcome and there has been reporting since that suggest he was. Called president obama and started talking about a concession speech that i decided i would deliver the next morning. Host you write you pick of the phone, donald, its hillary and then what happened . Guest well, basically i said congratulations. Looks like he will be our next president s. I wish you well and if theres any way i can help you i hope you call on me. It was shorts. It was very much just think you and thanks for calling in many human out to addresses crowd. Host in your concession speech the next date is of the following we oh him an open mind and a chance to lead. Guest yes, and i really believe that. Host nine and a half months into his presidency, how is he doing . Guest not well and its sad to. I take no pleasure in any of this. I knew the kind of campaign he ran, which i found deeply disturbing. I said many times i didnt think he had the experience or temperaments to qualify him to be president. But, people say and do things and campaigns all the time. You cover this from start to finish and so i was hoping that we would see a donald trump emerge who understood the gravity of the position he was about to assume. I think it has not worked out the way i would have wanted for our country. Instead, i believe we are still seeing starting on Inauguration Day and a lot of the same irresponsible impulsive behavior that is ascending a lot of wrong signals here at home and around the world. Host in your book you talk about the white house. You were there for eight years and john adams wrote to his wife and in parties may not but honest and wise men ever fool under this roof. Guest yes, i did. Host would you put trump in that category . Guest not yet, no, i wouldnt and part of the reason i put that in is because i would go down sometimes at night and walked the first floor of the white house and think about the history that had happened there, ending up before the fireplace without engraved at the top of it. Steve, if i had lost to one of a number of other republicans who were seeking the nomination i would of course been disappointed and would not have agreed with them on many of the policies they were going to pursue, but i dont think i wouldve had the doubt and worries i have in fact, im sure of it with respect to President Trump and his behavior and i just came back from a trip to england and wales and korea and theres just a great uncertainty out there like what does he mean when he treats, what are his real objectives, what is he trying to achieve on behalf of america and the world because he has created so much confusion in the minds of so many. Host have you talked to the president says he took office . Guest no, i have not other than after the inauguration as i write the first chapter, dont bill and i went as a former president and first lady. We thought it was our duty to do that and it was hard because his speech was not at all what i had hoped for. I thought it would be a perfect opportunity for him to reach out and embrace all americans who supported him and those who did not, which is what i intended to do if i had been in that position. Of course, we heard him talking about carnage and it was a dark and divisive rhetoric that we got in that moment. Afterwords, went to the lunch and i shook his hand and said hello, wished him well, but that is the last time i have seen him. Host if you could sit down with him and give him some advice would you tell him . Guest i would tell him to just take a deep breath, slowdown, be willing to listen to people who may not necessarily already agree with you. Have an open mind about some of these tough decisions. Be more open to the facts and evidence about the consequences of your policies. I would certainly has a former secretary of state talk to him about korea and iran. I would talk to him about the threat russia poses to europe and to our internal wellbeing because of the continuing attacks that we know Vladimir Putin is undertaking against our own unity at home. I would do my best to lay out a case and i would say mr. President , you have the opportunity to change course. Look, i know we are all fully formed adults and we get into this office, but that does not mean we stop learning circuits like you love to play golf as does my husband has to former president s like barack obama. I bet you are not adverse to having some pro give you some tips about how to be an even better golfer. This job is so demanding and you have to have a more regular schedule. You have to have a open mind so you can take in information. Yet to listen to people and, please, get more people who know things into your government, the state department is missing so many top positions and these are people who speak the liquid jetting of the culture and youre dealing with north korea, iran, russia, anywhere else and there are people who have experience to let help you be the best president. I would try and i know others have dried. I talk to people who have been in the oval office trying to help him, trying to provide support. It might last 24, 48 hours and that he feels compelled to respond return to the attack mode, insult mode especially those who disagree with him. Using a fight with senator corker, hes in a fight with congresswoman wilson, a fight with all of these people all the time and it takes a lot of energy and you need to be focus on solving problem, not settling scores. Host is unify with his accuracy guest when it is saddest week that ive been aware of was when Rex Tillerson was doing his job to try to get a site that somatic track, which is what we must do bringing the chinese into the forefront as well as japan, south korea and others and he was doing his job in beijing and basically the president tweets forget about it. Theres only one way to go. If you are the secretary of state, you have got to be perceived as speaking for the president and the for the nation and thats what Rex Tillerson thought he was doing in his president in front of the world basically humiliated him. Host how do you solve the north korea problem . Guest i was in north korea and asked to come speak about that another matter spirit theres no easy solution im well aware that. I follow this close report 25 years both in the my husband was there and also as secretary state. Here is what i know, the chinese have to be persuaded and i think that they are closer to being persuaded that may have been in the past, that the behavior of kim jongun is it dangerous to them and dangerous to peace and prosperity in the region. The chinese have always taken the view that they can balance off north and south korea and by doing so kind of keep the us on a backlit. Now with the behavior of kim jongun and frankly the very rude attitude hes taken towards much of the chinese leadership and his pursuant of Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles with Nuclear Warhead the chinese now have a huge state in helping to rate rain him in and enforce sanctions that have been tightened at the un in getting korea, by working through the pla, Peoples Liberation army and the military in north korea to get them to the negotiating table and there is no substitute for just sitting there day after day, you know i started negotiations with iran and i was the one who sent out the fuel or send first people to meet with the iranians to see if something was possible. It took years. I know what happened in irish Peace Process and it took years. You have got to have a strategic patience and some people dismiss that, but in fact in a world where unless you want to cause nuclear warfare, which i hope no one wants, you will have to, but at the same time that you are working patiently to get everyone to the table and convince china to play a more active role you need to say there will be consequences if you send a missile over our allies that we are sworn to protect, japan and south korea for our territory like warm or you begin testing missiles that could reach hawaii but the west coast of our country there will be severe consequences, make no mistake. But, you dont say that in a tweet. You dont say that in a insult calling him rocket man and all of that. That only plays into his hands. You do it in a calm very clear way that delivers the message and of course, we have to continue to defend our allies, which is why we are putting Missile Defense and south korea. The chinese dont like that. In fact, i was asked about that insole, because they are in response boycotting certain korean businesses to the answer is dont boycott people trying to protect themselves from what could happen to them. Contain and deter the north from do anything. Host when senator corker made reference to world war iii luxury reaction . Guest i have worked with bob corker and hes a very sober guy , very conservative, but very good person to work with. I worked with him as a secretary state on what was called the new start treaty to Lower Nuclear weapons in russia and the us. So, he does his homework he studies things and comes to thoughtful conclusions. What he said is we could have a war by total miscalculation. When you use twitter to communicate, when youre insulting instead of doing the hard slow work of actually putting together some kind of diplomatic response someone can miscalculate and that someone is certainly could be kim jongun. He has already flown to missiles over japan that we know of and threaten qualm. Hes threatened the us. If he believes that theres no appetite in this administration at least by the president to deal with some of these bigger issues, who knows what he might do. He might not even intend the consequences, but unfortunately they would flow. Host at what point did you say im going to write about this campaign . Guest steve, had no intention of doing it after the election. I was just spent and i was devastated and somewhat in a state of shock because i couldnt figure out what had happened. Host let me stop you there. You come back after your concession speech walk us through that afternoon. Guest well, i gave the concession speech and there were a lot of friends and supporters there, obviously lots of hugs and tears. Finally, bill and i leave and get in the back seat of our car and i just felt like every ounce of adrenaline was draining out. I was so exhausted and we just basically sat there. We got home and on came the sweats and the fleece and just trying to catch up on sleep and play with our dogs and then we started the next day in a walk for the woods for a walk in the woods which we like to do, but i was just in a state of total confusion. I didnt know and i relayed in the book, i talk about what it felt like, you know. The walks in the woods, yoga, clean my closets, my chair share of chardonnay, all of that, but the nicene analyses or commentary about the election and i just thought people were missing a lot of what i thought was critical to the outcome. We were just understanding what the russians had gone and after the election the Obama Administration actually came out with even more information about what the russians had been up to, began sanctions on certain russian individuals and institutions for their interference in the election, but it took weeks and in fact months. We are still learning about what the russians were up to and how effective they were or could they are masters at propaganda trick this wasnt their first rodeo. They knew how to influence voters picked a used social media. The used bots and trolls and socalled fake news. They were rolling it all out and of course, the question that is investigated is, were they coordinating with the Trump Campaign. We will find the answer to that, but i thought it was important that people begin to Pay Attention to what the russians did because its an ongoing threat. Its not going away. We finally learned that they had intruded into election systems and may be as many as 30 or more states. What is that mean . Had we protect ourselves from a foreign adversary . There was that piece of it, which was not getting the coverage i thought and as you remember there was a big debate that started after the election, was a economic anxiety or cultural anxiety and i thought that was importance. Of course there was it economic anxiety, but it was also a very clear theme in Trump Campaign appealing to anti immigrants, race to anti islamic attitudes, sexism, on and on, so then slowly information started coming out, very well respected independent third parties looking at a lot of data. One of the things that struck me was that an exit polls with people who said the economy was minimal and issue, i won those people and maybe despite the best efforts to prevent my message from getting across people heard me talking about jobs and income inequality which i talked about endlessly. That was important for us to explore and then Voter Suppression. Every day that goes by we are getting more information to early first data wisconsin where there is so much evidence of a Voter Suppression there have been excellent studies that i think are compelling and end it as this went on and as i said to myself what happened i thought i want to know what happened in the only way i could figure out how to do was to immerse myself in all of the information as it was becoming available to sort it out, to try to get to the evidence as best i could and as i thought about that, i thought maybe there is a book of their nfl like i owed i felt like i owed an explanation to my supporters and to myself into history. I wanted it to be personal, political and historical. Host as you know sean hannity on his program has been critical of their uranium one deal with the president saying with regard to russia that is the real story in this. What would you say to those critics . Guest its the same baloney they had been peddling for years and there have been no credible evidence by anyone. Its been the bonked repeatedly and will be continue to be debunked. I have to give them credit. Trump and his allies including fox news are really experts at destruction version, so the closer that investigation about real or russian ties between Trump Associates and real russians as we heard Jeff Sessions finally admit to in his testimony the other day, the more they want to just throw mud on the wall and on their favorite target, me and president obama are the ones they always like to put into the crosshairs, so yes, im not surprised but i think the real story is how nervous they are about these continuing investigation. Host in the book you read the following i blame myself, my worst fears about my limitations as a candidate had come true. So, what were those limitations . Guest i try to go through the thought process that led to my finally deciding to run and number one, i was worried that its a hard historical trend over to overcome to try to succeed a twoterm president of euro party. My husband in the very beginning and the chapter i write about this in the process i went through says you could lose because its a hard historical burden to carry. I worried that i would not be as effective in taking my random leadership, which every time im in Office People give me high marks for, but translating into a campaign and i write about this that there seems to be a kind of mismatch between what i consider the seriousness of the responsibility of laying out for the American People what you would do as president s. And the performance of running for president. Donald trump was our first reality tv candidate. I for better or worse was the candidate of reality and i tried to match that the best i could, but i wasnt going to go after immigrants. I wasnt going to revert to racism and homophobia and anti muslim talk. I wasnt going to do that and i saw in the primary campaign how effective trump was in insulting, attacking and dismissing the 16, 17 people he was running against many of whom had one tough elections with experience, had policies they wanted to put forth and thats when i realize this is a different kind of campaign and its a campaign riddell of reality tv, which is what he had been involved in four years and how do i match that. How do i try to deal with that . Then, there was a whole other question of sexism and misogyny in the double standards. I knew it was alive and well. I thought that i could really get through it and demonstrate that i was not only up for the job, but the best qualified for the job, but running against an unapologetic Sexual Assault or who was just after women starting with Carly Fiorina and going on to people in that media, going on to me made it really hard because on the one hand as i write about the second debate with him leering and lurking and it just trying to assert his dominance over me on the stage, if