Guest the nazis issued an official platform. Inevitably 25 points to it, and if you go down the list you basically realize they want minimum wage. They want to have a National Healthcare system. As you read down, you begin to realize, wait a minute, this runs against everything ive been taught. Because weve been taught, this is been an idea since world war ii that fascias and on the right, that fascias and some outright ring phenomenon. Hitler was a rightwinger but when you read the nazi platform you realize this is collectivism. This bears a realism of socialism and a lot of and if not the ingredients of obama, certainly the ingredients of elizabeth warren, bernie sanders. Host very quickly, definitions of fascism, socialism, marxism, and how close are the political philosophies . Guest socialism refers to the workers owning the means of the production. Later, communism talked about the state owning the means of production. Fascism is very similar. Fascism simply means that the states, walnut owning the meas of production, directs them. So states directed capitalism, thats fascism. Modern progressivism is more like fascism than is like socialism because if you think about it, its look at obamacare. Obamacare, does the government on the hospitals . No. Does it own, doesnt pay the doctors directly . No, they are private companies that do that by the government controls them. So modern progressivism being state directed capitalism is closer to fascism than socialism. Host you spent quite a lot of time with mussolini in the book. Why . Guest he was a founder of fascism. Many people link it with hitler but have never called himself a fascist. If you read mein kampf the word fascism almost never appears in the entire book. Hitler called himself a National Socialist enters the word again socialism. Hitler wanted to marry nationalism with socialism. The key difference was hitler was a racist hitler was an antisemite andy made this antisemitism and bigotry essential part of National Socialism p mussolini was not a racist. Mussolini ultimo represented usa. Fascism. Mussolini came to power in the 1920s pickell he came to power in the 1933. Hitler revered mussolini. Hitler said that mussolini as a last of the caesars. If youre looking for fascism at the beginning, at its point of origin, you have to look at mussolini. Host you are saying that fascism is a leftwing political cause . Guest fascism was recognized to be leftwing not only by the fascists but by the antifascists. This is all at the time. Later there was a revisionism that came in and which progressive writers and historians redefine fascism and tried to move it into the rightwing column, but take mussolini. Mussolini was the most famous marxist in italy. He was the leader of the italian socialist party, the editor of its magazine, and his fascism grew out of socialism. Essentially mussolini goes the prophecies of marks are not coming through. Why . And out of that exploration fascism grew out of marxism. So this is actually, im not saying anything all that controversial. This is actual undisputed history. There were dozens of original fashions in germany, italy, in spain, in england all of them came from the left. They were from the labour party in england, the socialist party in france, the communist party. One of mussolini closest advisers woodhead of the Italian Communist Party after the war he went back to becoming a communist. This is a history i excavate in the book. Why . It has burning relevance to whats going on today. Today we have antifascists who dress like fascists. They look exactly like the blackshirts of mussolini. They behave like fascists. They go out and they beat people up, burn things, overturned cars, block speaks of speaking. This is what the fascists did, but they call themselves antifascists. They claim to be fighting fascism. How do you fight fascism while doing fascists stuff works thats the paradox i unravel in the book. Host why do you think since world war ii as you say we have considered fascism, nazism to on the right . Guest the fascism in the 30s was very much in bed with the left and, in fact, win, when fdr came to power he did not admire hitler by the revered mussolini. Fdr actually felt mussolini was much ahead of him in implementing progressive principles. Fdr would dispatch delegations to italy to study the fascism fascism to bring sugar all of this is a history of our country. After world war ii, the gas chambers, irish with, nazism auschwitz became morally aboard, he can associate with the holocaust and so the progressives who were come to dominate the academy, they were like this is bad news. People associate fascism with the left, we are through. Weve got to figure to move fascism into the rightwing column. In order to pull that off you need to be very dominant in academia, dominant in the media. In other words, you have to be up to pull off a big lie. The big life itself is a fascist concept that was promulgated by hitler. Hitler says people can catch a small lie because they can compare to their experience. But if you give them a big lie it was hard to get your head around it. Its so big that you dont know where to attack it. It encompasses a lot of small allies. Part of my expose indie book edition one of the biggest lies were living with now is, fascist bake like him is fascism is wrongly attributed to the right where it is always been understood be on the left turn what you call it transference. Guest transference is a phenomenon psychology which people take things that they do and playing them on other people. Hitler did that. Hitler said that the will pose a threat to the world. Hitler, they are trying to take over and make everybody liked him. Thats what the nazis do that when they took over the enforce the culture conformity across germany. Ironically hitler was taking his own homicidal destructive powerhungry ideas and trying to place them on a scapegoat, the jews. The left is blaming the right for patterns of behavior that it itself indented and indulges in. Host in big lie java chapter on george soros. Guest theres not a chapter on george soros but its a section because he claims to be the great antifascist. What i do as i said okay, heres trances of talk about the fact inspired by libertarianism, by the open society. In reality, as you look at his past, a secret history, you realize that soros along with a mentor of his was a kind of collection point for hitler. This is pretty harsh to say but its true. It was discussed by steve kroft in an interview with soros in which cropped asked he said you go around confiscating the property of the jews entering over to the nazis, right . And how can you feel good about that . And soros goes, i dont feel bad about that at all turkey goes, lets remember that if i didnt do it, somebody would do it, right . This gets me thinking, because i remember a very powerful thing, this actually involves josef mengele, the killer of auschwitz, the crazed doctor auschwitz. He escaped after the war and went to argentina in one of his sons fact him down and confronted his father and said, dad, how could you do the things you didnt auschwitz . Guess what mengele said . Mengele said if i didnt do them some else would have. In other words, here were these captive people and i as a scientist simply saw the opportunity to make them into research specimens. So dont blame me because the bad stuff would have gone on anyway. So heres an repair eerie paral between what i would call the mengele defense and george soros out of his own mouth not as a young man, i dont think anybody for the did at the age of 15, but as a mature george soros and reflected reflecting on his past, theres a lot of dark secrets. Host tell me if im wrong in my reading of this, but you connect mengele to planned parenthood in some come in an art . Guest i connect and in this way. The collectivists on the left have always had a problem, that is what do we do with disposable people . The collective view of society, with the top are going to run society, but there are some disposable people we need to get rid of. Now remember, the nazis started not with gas chambers. They started with sterilization. Where did they get those ideas . They got them directly from the left, the american left. Why . Because he never left was in forefront of the eugenics movement. Margaret sanger was an inspiration for the early nazis, and in 1933 the nazis composed the american eugenicists, not voluntary but mandatory sterilization. The nazis moved on to that. The next id was euthanasia. Where did they get that . On the american progressives. American progress of a saint if sterilization does overcome euthanasia. One of the american eugenicist leaders said we need gas chambers. He literally advocated gas chambers, and the nazis got it from him. Now, mengele when he went to argentina was in hiding. He was sheltered by neonazis of there and it told of listen, if you want to support yourself you need to have a profession. Guess what was his profession. He became an abortionist. Im not kidding. Mengele at the shop as an abortionist in south american carried out abortions until his death by drowning. It is not a flight of the imagination. Theres a deep connection between the same kind of eugenic philosophy that led Margaret Singer on the one hand, and the nazi Sterilization Program on the other. Host this is the latest book, big lie exposing the nazi roots of the american left. Thank you for being on booktv. Guest my pleasure. Booktv has covered many books by Dinesh Dsouza pic if youre interested in hearing more from this bestselling author, go to our website booktv. Org and in the search bar type in the nest the shoes of books and youll find a large archive the nest the surge of books. All of these programs are available to watch online. Is a look at some the current bestselling nonfiction books according to the los angeles times