Man now i call them blue collar conservatives to those said our working people most you dont have College Degrees, those whos still understand the importance of working and responsibility and the importance of family and faith that believe in freedom rand ltd. Different and in many cases they are not because the ioc them talking to the concerns that they have to create an opportunity for them in the American Dream. And a talk about satellite. Ted how they can give them things like Free Health Care is Subsidized Health care or able laundry list that does not benefit with a try to help the most dont want to be never met a program. They want to have jobs that are well paying that can support themselves and their families but unfortunately at is you know, tucker, we talked like the economist is we are wrapped up with our position soon to talk about balancing the budget or cutting taxes and then to cut government if you consider the average american you think where am i . What about those uc wages stagnating win in this is to the book is written for and for republicans to understand why they are not succeeding. It is of little perplexing because why wouldnt the Republican Party be talking to the working class voters . Guest there really requires you to think micro not macro and that is difficult for republicans those ideas are the rising tide lifts all votes. I agree unless the ball unless it has the of hold because then the boat will sink and youre not and a good decision so all lots have holes in their votes those that have lowpaying jobs maybe not having yet drug or Substance Abuse problem will whole laundry list of things some of us have holes in the votes but a lot of americans dont see the rising tide to help them so what i have done in this book is specifically address areas where the blue caller average american can see direct opportunity where i talk about specific sections of the economy where they can find employment in the area of energy or manufacturing and Service Industries related to those and on the other side is in Just Economics one is culture so we talk about the importance of marriage and the family. Obama talks about the rise of the equality. Is he right and should republicans me at the windows . The numbers dont bear the rhetoric things havent changed but they havent gotten better relative to europe and canada the opportunity of mobility is not as good as it is in some of those countries so the idea that the exploding gap of income inequality is not borne out by the fact but there are Serious Problems that need to be addressed and there are people who are not getting ahead and debating whether we are better or worse but just focus on millions of americans out there and what can we do to address those . Looking at the economy economy, agriculture and education. One of the things i talk about is a career track that 70 percent of americans dont have College Degrees so water be doing to provide those necessary skills in high school as well as after to provide the skills necessary for people to work with their hands . Host how did this happen . What happened to workingclass or ruler a cut . Something has changed. What is it . Obviously the economy has changed with globalization and open markets with competition neck comes from overseas. In there is a legitimate argument when they have that competition in june drive their own prices it is a good thing so globalization is a positive but also it could be a negative if youre losing your job as a result of the competition. I make the argument i am not against globalization i and a standard Global Economy but we have to be understanding of the impact case by case of a free trade agreements to the American Worker. Ive felt for free trade but i dont vote for nafta a because of that that would be devastating more than helpful bin did my opinion that has been borne out in research and they have been to improve the situation for america. But we need to look every trade and the fact that america hasnt been competitive because have a very high style Regulatory Environment under this administration and the litigation environment common educational gaps that we have proposed so the role that the government has played is pretty poor front and one of the reasons i wrote the book because they can be competitive if the government creates a level Playing Field for i have all whole laundry list of things that i go through that talk about how to do that. Host has resulted in cheaper Consumer Products for everybody which is a good thing but certainly has not helped American Manufacturing you almost never hear anybody complain about that. Why . Guest because most people have not lost their jobs or getting lowerpaid jobs a very small percentage of americans participate in manufacturing. If you are a professional working in the Service Industry for a substantially lower price you are happy to go to walmart put walmart is very focused how they tried to move things back to encourage ready facture in this countrys of those that have benefited see the benefits of having the products made here this conversation between henry ford and then head of the union and walking through the plant and said this machine will replace i forget how many of the workers and he responded but how many parts will the machine by . Yes we can replace the workers with foreign competition but you have to have the wages to buy the products in america. There is an understanding by walmart that the need to look to how we can be competitive. Look at the proposals they are not the subsidies the Regulatory Reform which government is heavily involved in this thing this that we can do with conservative politics to give us the opportunity to be competitive. The government exists for the interest to make Americans Free and prosperous so why not at the expense of other countries . We have the trade rules to you deal with. When that comes to new trade law that is one area that i dont get into that much because then you have retaliatory efforts on parts of the a other countries so i thank you have to be very careful to structure as a mobile Playing Field consistent with the trade laws in place in the limitations of what countries can do to favor manufacturing of one country over another. You dont mention immigration but if you have consistently high an employment you dont have a labor shortage so what about 1 million lowwage workers . How does that help . I do talk about the importance to have a trained labor force but certainly with ilLegal Immigration coming anything that we could do to solve the problem by a creatine in the form of amnesty to these workers will flood with more lowwage workers. If we had in immigration policy that to a is fairly generous we need to examine that and see how it impacts the American Worker where we bring in people from and the skill level and search of a factor that with the labor market of this country i dont think we do that candidly. We have in the past but immigration policy has been dealt with throughout the course of American History it isnt something we should be afraid to do to make sure they have the opportunity but my focus is not an immigration policy when although there is a point to be made i did when the deal with the concept of ilLegal Immigration because barack obama two years as president with complete control in the house and senate could pass any law that you wanted in never proposed a bill so that says this issue is not a substantive political issue but it is a purely political issue that the democrats will use to drive a wedge between republicans so my suggestion is we do not play that game. We say that first and foremost, secure the border with with 12 million Illegal Immigrants to make it a resolvable problem if you dont secure the border preventing on what you do then you create another problem because many of 12 million more because you created an amnesty for the existing group so for my perspective was has a discussion believed the other immigration issue aside. So lets just take the legal side because these people will become citizens and democratic voters but of course, the donors get rich with cheap labor so why is it good for the average american citizen looking at a walmart why is that good for him and to compete the works for much lower wages . One of the reasons Legal Immigration is a good thing because our country has not grown we are now below replacement rates of population in this country so there is something to be said that they do bring a vitality and in and energy to the country so it is still positive but it for immigration we would not be growing we want to be a country that grows and expands for the market. Are they competing against jobs . Yes but theyre also consuming idols see that as a zero sum game if people are coming illegally if you are getting a variety of different workers to be competitive i dont think that is necessarily a bad thing. Host if i hire someone paying minimumwage nobody can live on that sort is taken up by taxpayers they pay for that person to live. Why should employers in reality get a subsidy for cheap labor . The cheap labor is based upon the value that it brings. The subsidy is a decision the policy makers have made. We have made the decision that someone makes a certain amount of money we will provide support for them. Income support, food stamps stamps, that is a decision that i think is separate from the business decision and were not just subsidizing cheap labor but this is the value that it brings to the enterprising and to drive up the cost fought by higher minimum wage laws then what were doing is driving the cost of labor up with unemployment and a loss of jobs. Host there was a study that showed the top 25 Hedge Fund Managers about 29 billion when you hear that what is your reaction . That capitalist system works very well for people who have resources and the world of economics is one that encourages that to put forward the policy that favors backstops for people and if those risks dont come through than the federal government would back them up. We created a tremendous opportunity to do very well and not as strong effort before rule america. Roll america that is part of the American Dream that i do have concerns when you look at the tax on capital verses labor where reagan attempted to do with the tax cuts to say is back up that if you want less of something tax it if you want more of something subsidize we subsidize the labor the subsidized labor by having low Capital Gains taxes they will say we need to eliminate those then what he will do then is please keep investing in capital because you will get a huge subsidy but if you who has been very blessed. I love to work and work hard and very little in the way of investment. I cannot remember when i paid Capital Gains on investment but i have a fair amount of income for labor and guess what . I am taxed to the hilt so for me i have to work that much harder. But for lots of people they say whats the point . Is say discourage referral lots of people. Host dont you risk social instability at some point . The point you are making people that make huge amounts of money they will get back at 15 . If you work for that head turned operator as the administrator youre paying 2535 one year income and how was that there . I make the argument it really isnt we should not be rewarding one over the other and i use the approach i dont get it into detail with tax policy but to lower marginal rates to increase the demand for labor said to make it simpler below were those marginal rate. You were famous as the social conservative yet this does not really tackle abortion why is that . Volume one of the few conservatives who will talk about these issues most die under the table so with his funny you are known as a social conservative because you are one of the few that he answers the questions and is willing to articulate a vision. We do talk about the culture and the importance of the family and marriage as the economic good for society it comes from a greek word orchid home is the first economy it is the first everything in a childs life and the central foundational Building Block of society. So i do talk about marriage than the family as an important part of the economic wellbeing of our country and we as americans are losing this foundation for the 40 percent of children are born outside of marriage. 85 percent of men in prison were raised in homes without a dad. We know those social consequences of all of segments growing up it is not positive economically for those families so the real question is what do we do about that . Is there anything the government or the Public Policy can do . Yes. And they are important for us room to get the left with their sincere compassion especially single moms to structure these programs that depend on you not being married. I am sure that is not how they are designed but the net effect if you are a single mother with two children 15,000 a year working part time you get 38,000 in Welfare Benefits if you get married you lose them all. Is a to get married your husbands death to make 41 dash borden 50 grand it is possible but not highly likely so we have created a marriage trap a barrier for the people who it is important to have a stable and solid relationship with the man but instead we encourage that mother economically to not get involved have a dangerous relationship with the man living in the home and that is most dangerous for both the mother and the children. Were doing things that our destructive in the name of helping people went we have to change the Incentives Program least a the barriers from marriage. The constituencies is single women so it makes sense he is never called for people to get married as a solution but why not republicans . I cannot remember the last time reheard up republican candidate talk specifically of how to encourage marriage i do. I did in the last election. I found out about it so i used that on the stump repeated the. I read about it takes a family in direct response to Hillary Clinton it takes a village because i do believe the family is the photo in blocking and it is the essential public good not just the work done by Arthur Brooks to look at steadies over time and i address this in the book but it isnt even close very people are by far unhappier than single people with better prospects less drugs analysts crime but republicans have been hot style to embrace that because they dont want to be seen as telling people how to live their lives. But what we say is you shouldnt smoke. The government has all sorts of messages that hiring veterans is a good thing but we recognize a certain public good as a government and society we get behind them. So i suggest hollywood and the news media and Entertainment Industry the education industry industry, businesses and labor is something we should all agreed to develop a positive marriage. Day think it is a failure to use season unfashionable . If you think they dont want to see mccoy will . When i talk about this is the push fact you say that they are bad but i say we are in a situation where marriage is failing. One of the reasons receive the attempt to redefine because we lost what it is. It is important to reclaim marriage for what is not just a romantic relationship between two people and not just a contract were people received benefits but it is unique to provide a benefit to Society Mission for those of all other options that have children that are their children the natural mother and father raise those children in a home that is supportive it is good for the public to be raised in that environment also for men and women for a whole host of other reasons where that relationship benefits men and women so there is no reason to shy away and in fact, what i hear is many are recognizing that this came on the last six months within come in equality in every single study came to the same conclusion what overcomes income inequality is marriage if people get married before children or if they stayed married the results and a better economic condition. You see we are attempting in into we define marriage but maybe that debate is over . To you think that gay marriage will not be the lot of the land everywhere . It is a very similar debate from 40 years ago with the public good that should be pervasive if you look at this generation of young people the in august cohort that now you recognize just because it was affirmed by the Supreme Court does not mean society will except it because it isnt true. You take a human life and more people recognize the horror of that and are pushing back. The same thing will happen with the issue of marriage we lost the definition because we have lost what marriage is so it will take that losing something with the consequence with the flow of religious liberties for people to recognize maybe we made a mistake and a need to pull back. Host it seems to have a problem with libertarians i remember a couple years ago talking about ron paul calling and destructive. What objection to you have . It was just his attacks on meet saying things that were ridiculous and i called it disgusting i dont think ron paul is personally but what he was doing but i do have concerns of the impact because i dont take it is consistent with conservative thought with the arabia of libertarians and not libertarian conservatives that those who are little stronger on some of these issues with constitutional protections than the limitations. I respect that there is the very healthy de