a longtime friend and contributor two the library hugh hewitt. my wife and i have been friends of the library for a wild. i came of age during the nixon years and have vivid memories of the 1968 republican national convention watched on a black and white tv late into the night breathlessly hoping for his nomination. we have come to learn more about richard nixon and that marquis left on our country and world and as i look at the state of our nation in the world today i reach into the archives of the 72 campaign, nixon now more than ever. we have had the opportunity two meet wonderful people through the library tran and betsy hewitt among them. hugh is a frequent figure at library interviewing authors panel discussions, participating in debates and as we saw today conducting his nationally syndicated radio show. he served in the nixon administration as a speechwriter and was critical in the construction of this facility and for that a debt of gratitude by all who have benefited from it. hugh hails from ohio claiming to be some form of buckeye. [laughter] he did however, choose to purchase his law degree from the hated university of michigan something i do not understand. [laughter] >> he is a practicing attorney professor of law at chapman university and a remarkable influence in the republican party at all levels across the country. he is a frequent guest, a nationally prominent television shows, networks that would not otherwise have my patronage except for sporting events. most prominent, i believe, is being the host of best talk show in america. he has the most impressive array of guests senior elected and appointed government officials authors opinion writers and national influencers for heat oh's educational series with the president of hillsdale college that is a graduate level intellectual experience. his style is insightful and engaging. he is respectful never talking over his guests and always allowing them too have their savior and he provides a platform for those with whom he disagrees as well of those he does disagree dry out from them the challenging questions and engaging in an intellectual exchange. it is smart radio and all who listen to turn one's show are better informed people to read he is an author and tonight object of our attention rather than he orienting our attention on someone else. direct "the queen" is his recent release. i think you will find be on the astute analysis of the former secretary of state is a bit of a fortuneteller, rolling the dice on such a long shot that she may consider a second run for the white house. hugh the gamble has paid off. i have not read read "the queen", holding out for a free copy. [laughter] so, it is with great anticipation i welcome to the podium hugh hewitt. [applause]. >> thank you very much. i cannot-- i bent traduced a lot of times and i'm highly honored that general spiese and filomena and he would make a special trip to the library. they are dear friends of it that the admin and we first met downstairs at an event here where former secretary of defense rumsfeld was a guest of honor and i was downstairs and you have to remember i married the daughter of a marine corps colonel three my brother-in-law is retired marine corps colonel so you would think i would have figured out i was talking to a marine or about 20 minutes downstairs when he was active duty at the time and he has since retired and i didn't because i was a little dense and i finally said, wait a minute are you a marine because they had been laying on the ocean side comments and i got married at camp pendleton so i said are you marine and he said, yeah. are you active duty because if he was given his age that meant there would be a couple of stars on his shoulder and he said yeah. i said are you a general and he said yes as very self-effacing as general legals are and isa general, i'm sorry i have been rambling on and on thinking to myself my father-in-law were he alive would be so deeply ashamed of me. i have grown to know and love and respect the service that both of them have given an merle it's military spouses serve alongside their men and women in uniform, so filomena would you stand up and let everyone say hello. [applause]. >> i went to thank the library for having me tonight. i brought along a bag of props, which will explain themselves as we go along and i also want thank my los angeles home the answer the media group of which i am apart and we have great sponsors that are here tonight first off. the money guys california deluxe windows at radio would not exist in america but for great terrific sponsors like these and across the united states if you listen to the radio and the people who put the radio on because without it it would go away and patronize them. i want to thank my partners at eric fox they allow me a great deal of ability two go back and forth across the country and the last three weeks i have appeared in secession on meet the press, face the nation, state of the union with chuck todd and john dickerson and jake tapper and that means i'm not practicing law during that period of time and a kind of overlook that as a go back and forth and with associates who pick up the pace. i very much appreciated. i'm here to talk about this book, "the queen" and i'm holding that up for the benefit of our c-span friends from book tv. hillary in the coming of the second clinton area, there is a law called the once law. if you have watched frank luntz you know he is the best media analysts in america when it comes to understanding public opinion and words that work and frank told me what-- once if you don't say the name of the book seven times you won't sell the book, so i will talk about "the queen" on my long and if i mention "the queen" a lot it's because right tomie if i don't say that "the queen" seven times you will remember "the queen" and then you won't find "the queen", so i think i've already said "the queen" six times and without i will put it aside and come back to "the queen" a little bit later. [applause]. >> i was downstairs talking with general spiese and filomena about leadership and mel serves an extraordinary role helping people-- become leaders and i'm currently going to talk tonight about getting ready for something i'm going to be asking questions at the presidential debates and this is because of their rights. rights previous is a great chairman of the republican national committee and he has brought order out of the chaos of the last debate schedule. he has brought order to the primary calendar and he has brought the convention two cleveland, ohio, four which i think he can be canonized. [laughter] >> as a son of the great state of ohio i'm glad the cleveland convention will come on the heels of a brown super bowl in a second consecutive national championship for the ohio state buckeyes. general spiese is his ally and i. i think that football, don't they? i'm not sure, but i think they do. because rights and the republican national committee looked at the fiasco that was the debates, 2012 and they said they would do this differently. they said we are going to organize nine at least nine and maybe as many as 12 debates and we are going to have media partners and if a candidate goes to a debate not on our schedule than they won't be in our schedule. those are rules. you need to bring order and by the way they will be our media partner and they will include conservative media voices, which is what a surprise what a shock that in the gop presidential primary system you would actually allow someone from their side of the spectrum two ask questions that might be a primary interest to gop primary voters. that does not need you exclude and it will not be excluded great journalists like chuck todd and meet the press or j tapper of cbs. i believe chris wallace and brett there and make them telling all the rest that fox ought to do their journalistic best, but at the same time journalists who are understood to be not merely observers, but participants in the process will be welcomed in too ask key questions, and i think this is going to revolutionize the process and it went to talk tonight about how you prepare because wherever i go in the united states, i have just come from colorado kurt-- christian university for a week where i was teaching young conservative leadership conference. hundred 50 young people in the western conservative summit that was held in denver colorado and i interviewed scott walker in front of all these folks and everywhere i go, what are you going ask and it's not the candidates and their team that are asking, though, they are always listening to its republicans and conservative spirit what are you going to ask you whenever one says what are you going to ask i have a suggestion, so i listen and how do you prepare and i am happy to have been selected for this thing. i want to talk about how you prepare for it, but it has launched a weird thing. at this moment i am still the only conservative who has been officially named-- i will be doing the three debates and i will be asking questions here i'm not the moderator thank god. i love donald trump, but i do not want a moderate his debate. it is going to be very hard. donald trump has been my guess all of the republican nominees will be guest-- have been guess on the radio and the one who is most interesting and entertaining is always donald trump and he covers that side of the line and he does not stay in his lane and it really doesn't matter what the question is that you ask. [laughter] >> and that's okay. that's five your it's great radio, but i have been preparing and there was a cover story written about me too read i was a little amused by this term i have never been a coverboy before and he said i was having a media moments that makes me laugh also because of media molding is like the rain we are having in california today in june. everyone notices it and it doesn't mean a damn thing. is going to be over before you know it and nevertheless i take very seriously these debates. and i don't believe in _-em-dash questions. i believe in preparation and i want to talk a bit tonight about how you prepare to do this sort of thing. and how you prepare to earn the praise for someone like mel spiese, which is high praise indeed there and when someone says you were on the best radio show in america and he is a to start marine general and when his colleagues talk about stanley mcchrystal that is the best interview by a longshot that i have ever done. when craig morel writes that in my book i am happy. had you get there? how to get ready for a debate? that's what i want to talk about my. first i want to thank book tv for being here and i go to my bag of tricks. there are a lot of them here. first, i hold up a book called "sundays at eight" and if any of you it came to my studio and we spent three hours talking together. he's my model of an interviewer and i hold of the second book on the first ladies of the united states by susan swain who is also along with brian lamb's book tv and i urge all of you to letter were no that book tv exists as an oasis on the weekends for people like us who love the books appeared to die next in library invites here always authors, so does the reagan library. in the land of soundbites actually have conversation and i think brian lan and peter and others who work at book tv and susan are so relentlessly fair and thorough that if everyone studied the wet-- them the way i have studied brian and charlie rose does this well you would have a lot better media and in fact the one we have already mentioned, j tapper, chuck todd john dickerson, they are all themselves authors. they have written very good books. the stranger by chuck todd john dickerson wrote a great biography of his mother, nancy dickerson turn of course, j tapper wrote the outpost about command post in far off providence of afghanistan, a history that is riveting a movie and actually very emotional to talk about and read about and if you take the time to watch the best in the business they are not only journalists they are writers. they are readers and so i have been preparing for a long time for these debates by doing one thing, which is what i want to encourage everyone in the audience which is too read widely and deeply with things which you are not familiar. i will hold up if you books here as example of this. coming soon to this library the fellow is in my studio yesterday, evan thomas, wrote this book, which i am holding up for the benefit of the camera. mi doing that that right, guys? it's called being nixon. this is an unusual book. evan thomas is part of the georgetown set to refuse a harvard man but he was working for katharine graham and he has dug deep into the nixon story and i know there are some lovers of this book and not lovers of this book within the nixon family of which i'm a proud member, but i found it so compelling that i had him on for two hours yesterday, nearly two hours talking about being nixon and he's coming to the library and i was glad when i saw evan even though he was not part of the nixon administration or part of the nixon family he was able to treat fairly the strength and the weaknesses of a great american. when i asked him was he a great man he said yes i read a segment about that about saving israel in 1973 we talked about it and evan thomas is relentlessly fair. yes, there are downsides in nixon's career and upsides in nixon's career, but their relentlessly and chronologically covered in a fair fashion. that's what we want our authors to do. the day after i'm talking to you i will interview ted cruz about his new book "a time for truth" and a day after that i will welcome into my studio ambassador michael oren to talk about his new book, ally which is this is not my reading copy. my reading copyist patter. this is my signature copy to put in my collection. this is a moving book about the history of being an american who becomes an israeli who becomes a warrior and then ambassador. i will ask about israel and about this horrific deal we are about too sign with the ron to the investor this week because i will have read his book and he fairly chronicles and understands the perspective of the territories here he has been there and he has waged war there and he has been in gaza and he records it all and it's an amazing book, but i will be prepared to ask questions of these candidates not because i know anything about gaza and i have never been there. i been to israel, but i've not been to the west bank, but i've rented eyes of someone that has and i deeply impressed as a result. last week i have to keep going up and down. is not good for the cameras i know. not-- last week daniel silver was on here at how many of you listen to my silver interview? if you have not read his novels this is number 15. he comes one-- comes on one hour every summer. i always get it early and some of you are listening for this. it's a reader's you can't have it. i told my kids at colorado christian university that they would read the novels beginning with the english killer. the killer angels is what is called actually care his first novel and then read for they would have a history of modern times told through fiction, but also deeply enmeshed in vladimir putin and they would understand the world in which they live through fiction not all just novels hat is that get me ready to talk about a? because novelists take you to places like vladimir putin's kremlin and they talk to people and imagine places and get you ready to ask questions of the vladimir putin primary. i have been asking each of my candidates as they come to radio and i will ask again for the benefit of american people, what you think lattimer putin would think of you as president because that is the putin primerica read who would you least like to be the president of the united states. and we rather have the former secretary of state whom he knows and gave him a button and read poorly in russian? didn't really say reset and i will come to that again. or i asked chris christie this a couple of months ago and he kind of laughed at me who do you think vladimir putin would least like a guy from jersey and there are some quality to that. combativeness is a quality to that. after that, to books i want to talk about three in fact. i'm getting ready because the left wants you in discussion about silly things and these are the things that we want to have a discussion about and you have seen this will be on the "new york times" bestseller list read mary catherine and guide our friends but in a discussion is vitally necessary and we sped a whole day when they were my cohost trying to bring up the things that the left does not want america to talk about. when to end the discussion and effect we will not do that. we had to open the discussion, but with questions framed in such a way at the debates that they will listen from 16 republican candidates, informative looks into how they would govern. is next two books are about the great war in which we are engaged in one is by stanley mcchrystal king of kings which is change the way i do my radio show already. i'm sure i was talking with joan specie downstairs and the reason the mcchrystal group are in demand in the private sector is because they bring clarity to a lot of confusion. they bring absolute certainty about method, but not resolve rigor and in team of teams when he talks about the war and he talks about how in iraq in 2003 to cover special operation by the time he left three years wrote later it increased by 1700% the number of missions they ran on a daily basis. how do they do that? can think of anything else i has improved 1700% in the last five years? know. when he got up i leadership? you talk to people who have actually been in the middle. how does that help me get ready? i want to know from these president of candidates what they think of the current military leadership and what they think of the pentagon and if they judge it too be has broken as the veterans of this world believe it too be and is it underfunded. this is a chilling book mike morel was here at this library probably at this podium, the great war of our time. former deputy director of the cia two read not without his own controversy, 33 years in that agency, two of them as acting director. in the great war about time he he talked about the fact that unless you understand in the story that was after the end of the looming tower and i talk about the looming tower always and i have asked all of the candidates, all 16, have you read the looming tower to read why do i do that? i don't think you understand the enemy that we are engulfed with whichever the looming tower and understand where radical islam is of the sunni variety comfort. mike morel in his book walks you through from 911 to the present when he left the cia where we are and we are in a dangerous place. attack this past weekend and what happens whatever this united states in the next 16 months will frame and i wish to ask these candidates and i wish to ask the queen are you ready to win this war were recently went to be in the white house to observe it because right now it does not appear to me as though we are engaged in winning the war. the metastasis that is occurring within the islamic slate and indeed within orion sponsor terrorism is deeply troubling. i need to ask them these questions, so i read these books to get ready. there are a few other books i think that are a great deal about journalists. for journalists and take their. david brooks and his road two character. talks about the great george marshall. i want to know from these candidates if they have the ability two find and select people like george marshall who were the essence of self effacement. it's very hard sometimes two find people in the modern culture who do not advertise themselves two report talkshow host this is quite an admission. it hardly a moment goes by that i don't send the radio, follow me on twitter@hugh hewitt or by "the queen" three to be on the radio is to be in the business of self-promotion of your the least felt more promoting person probably in the last 35 years america was george marshall and he may have been the essential american. david brooks makes a good argument that he was very at the same time there is a new generation of journalists coming up who have all been on the show in the last month. gretchen carlson, amazing story in getting real. kristen powers, amazing story and the silencing. the wonderful in a paris know who makes me laugh every time she comes on my radio show and the good news is. these are journalists who didn't exist and they all have very very different approaches. dana perino was press secretary the president of the united states so she knows george w bush it and is a fan and innate is a george w. bush loves us. gretchen carlson is a serious journalist, a hard-working up from nowhere, concert violinist, stanford graduating ms. america pageant plane and nevertheless hard-core journalists who work richman, clevedon and dallas before she got her gig at cvs and foxnews. all three of those people have one thing in common. all of these offers-- authors have one thing in common they are all relentlessly fair. they don't have agenda as they set out to interview people. the last book in my back though, is the most important in informing how to go about preparing for these debates. the last book in my back-- does anyone have a guest? you might have heard no no, no that's the first book in my bag. "the queen" by 10 copies. david axelrod's believer. chris, did david axelrod come to the nixon library? he should. this is that opened carmona. this is a life spent on the left elegantly and wonderfully written by a former journalist during he served harold washington and president obama and everyone in between. he is the rove of their time and he wrote a book about how he won two elections and in extraordinary fashion for each should know the second one. cindy, can be an orca took us down as a big mitch romney guy but if you want to understand what questions to ask the republicans you read the democrats books. collision 2012 terrific book on the election of 20 telford jonathan alters, the center homes. another book on the 2012 election. how do you prepared asked republicans questions? in you read the book of everyone who is them salivate journalists , of warriors and especially democrats and then you sit down and you begin to ask yourself, what would you ask hillary if you had a chance as the former secretary of state a question. from that process came "the queen" three now i want to talk about this book. a year ago kate hartson who is my editor called me up and said, would you do a book on 2016 and i did not intend to do a book on 2016. i've written a lot of books. two years ago i wrote the happiest life which is acquired a memoir on seven gifts for seven givers and i really enjoy the and i thought i'm done for a while. but, 2016 matters a great deal and at the time that kay called up i was in that series of that hills dialogue with the present hillsdale college and they are all available, three years worth of dialogue, the hillsdale dialogue. you can binge listen and i would strongly recommend that you binge listen to read we start with homework and we are at this present time at the fifth lincoln douglas debate. we have covered a lot of ground in three years. but, at the time kate called what were we doing x we were talking about the prince. the prince was published 500 years ago give or take a year. there is some uncertainty as to when he wrote it and to when it was published. we were deep into the prince which is the most amoral book ever written. it's called the dividing line of political theory for reason. it's about assembling and using power not necessarily for good purpose. it contains the most famous line of all and is better to beat beard than love. it talks about how you keep a dynasty going and it is written from an opponent of the regime. that's what's most interesting about it. had he been unofficial in the republican florence which was overthrown so he writes from exile having been imprisoned and tortured, he writes a letter two lorenzo on how to govern called the prince and he said how should i think to advise a prince. how should i a republican think to advise mrs. clinton and sometimes-- he write sometimes you can only see the plane and sometimes you can only see the plaintiff you on top of the mountain so sometimes if you are a democrat yet to listen to a republican and sometimes if you are republican you ought to read the democrats books and so "the queen" is my advice two hillary and some people are mad at me because it's pretty good advice. [laughter] folks who have read the books say are you giving away too much and i said for warm his forearm for our side to read none of this is tongue-in-cheek or chuck todd asked me if this is and i said, no. if i were her, this is the platform on which i would run a crucially this is how way would approach each of the 16 candidates who you might be facing opposite to read are not going to tell you everything and "the queen" because then you won't buy "the queen" and the purpose of writing a book is to have you right and my real purpose and if you are listening, foster, i want you too buy 100 million of these so when ms. clayton opens the "new york times" every single weekend she sees "the queen" and she is aggravated. [laughter] >> because the nixon library doesn't sponsor political speeches. this is not a political speech but if you act like a queen you ought to be expected to be talked to like a queen and be advised like a queen and thus far former secretary of state clinton is indeed acting like a queen, so here's the platform in rough that i have given her. i thought really give her what would win. the 70%, not the primary or dc right now she is running a primary campaign plagued by senator sanders of vermont and only mildly disturbed by james webb p read dismissive of vice president biden, casting john kerry in switzerland who is preparing to have a couple schmidt to contrast with her accomplishment free tenure at the department of state. she is in fact, a dreadful candidate. she, in fact, headache catastrophic tenure at the department of state, so if you are a dreadful candidate with addictive-- difficulty connecting people are raising issues as karl rove raised about her health. if you cannot run into the age issue as ronald reagan ran into it and you have to confront squarely and if you have nothing on which to run, what do you do? i suggest to her a platform that has five large planks and i won't go through them and each other double to you briefly. i think she ought to run and let the people decide the campaign. she ought to campaign vigorously against the institution of the electoral college proclaiming it embodies white male privilege from 18th century. which, by the way was written by white males in the 18th century. not many people understand the genius of the elect oral college for it is easily a lampoon. it is easily run against and if it is ever done away with you will never see a presidential candidate in kansas again and that his wife it exist to make sure that regional concerns are matched by national candidates. and that there is a certain quality and location as well as density of population, but hillary does not need that. she needs to sell the american people on the idea that it is unfair that not everyone vote count is less. and indeed it doesn't. i'm here to tell you how many of you are californians? you don't matter. [laughter] you don't matter. in this election, florida, virginia, ohio and colorado matcher. to a lesser extent new hampshire and nevada and maybe arizona but really the first four matter, florida, virginia, ohio and colorado. that's who matter spirit that's where everything will be sent. that's not who gets nominated for the people necessarily that when in those four will get nominated by our side because we have a less than ideal system buried again, the rights reforms have made it better, but given that reality if you run against the electoral college it takes-- makes a lot of sense that you don't matter. secondly, she ought to run against the 22nd mimic, which by the way is a very bad idea 22nd amendment limits presidents 22 terms and as i write in the queen, if she runs against the 22nd amendment she runs in favor of president obama's return for it she against george w. bush with the idea that bill clinton would've done a better job in 2000 and george w. bush did but she appeals to the bush library-- letters. she appeals to everyone who has always felt strongly their candidate was the best ever. the 22nd amendment was a reaction two fdr, it was not unprecedented for other people to run for a third term. teddy roosevelt actually tried to run for what would have been the equivalent of a third term, but fdr actually did and succeeded because he was the necessary man in 1940. but, the republicans didn't like that and the reflective knee jerk reaction was 22nd amendment as soon as they could push it through and it was a bad idea. she ought to run on that, a leading the people decide. ended to do away with term limits, which might be very bad for us if an election comes along if you think about it and what if we had been in the middle of presidential election when 911 happened? how badly that would have distorted outcome and how terrible it would been for the country two campaign in the middle or how you would i'm not appointed to changes forces midstream if you have been forced to do so. the third plank i talk about his rebuilding our national defense. there used to be something called scoop jackson democrats and i'm sure a few of you are old enough to remove her scoop jackson for her he ran for president 1970, the first and i was ever involved in three he was drunk democrat the author of the jackson moment which brought soviet jews a measure of relief and freedom and was often called the senator from boeing because he believed in buying everything that-- [inaudible] >> scoop jackson lives on in the reagan democrats were the scoop jackson democrats who were disenchanted with jimmy carter in 1978, 1970 and 1979 and akin to our party turned in my book "the queen", which, of course. you can buy at amazon.com, barnes & noble.com. says that she ought to ron on a platform of rebuilding as jimmy carter did in 1980. i'm sure general spiese will remember the turnaround that occurred in 19791980 that was led by then secretary of defense harold brown, encouragement jimmy carter or that is not happening now. although ash carter is a terrific secretary of defense, i think and bob work is terrific under-secretary. i went to the retirement ceremony of general spiese and it was great. there were people like me and there was the speaker of the assembly of california. there were democrats and republicans at the retirement of a warrior and serviceman of this country would they be great if everyone supported the department of defense of that passion again-- [applause]. >> we would not be trending towards 2.5% gdp spending, but up to 5% in the third platform ice suggested wishy run a 5% plank are good times and bad times and you will spend fighting-- 5% of gdp. we will buy ships and airplanes we don't need and bombs we will never drop just so we don't have to and we will keep the marine corps at 200,000 special forces second to none which we already do, but we will spend the money because as ronald reagan said, prepare for war and it will not come. don't and it will. [applause]. >> the fourth part of the platform i recommend is talk like a republican and tax like a democrat when it comes to energy. right now the democratic party is in the grips of the tom stier climate change extremist enthusiast and i'm not a climate denier that the climate of the earth has gone up about a degree in the last 100 years. we don't know how much mankind contributes to it and we don't know if we can stop it. is not in our game anyway. if the chinese in the indian if in fact that is in reason. when she has the nomination at which point she ought to become the queen of fracking. she ought to become the best advocate for energy exploration and exportation combined with a severance tax free by the way, it would not be bad for republicans to believe ivester is not that hard to find the oil we know where it is in the natural gas very few put a well in the northeastern ohio and you can get gas. put it anywhere and you will find natural gas. fracking takes a lot of the mystery out of it. why not have a severance tax? i think she will embrace that the men shout to build without a prate-- patronage system and 50% of that tax to go to deficit reduction and 50% about to the states, but not too be set-- spent by the existing assemblies , but by local boards appointed by hillary clinton. there's a lot two be said for patronage and there is not enough of it right now. there are only 3000 appointees in the federal government who were brought in by the president. the framers did not see it that way. that is a progressive idea idea born out of progressive movement that has brought so much pain and suffering to this country. patronage works because the people in the administration work for you, not against you. so, she ought to embrace patriotism. all that being said, there are the things i will not cover. i have specific advice for her about what to do about bill clinton what role he ought to serve. i go-- ghostwrite speeches for her and put them in "the queen". i have been ghost writing since i worked for the man for whom this library is named in 1978. recently i edited mint ronnie's 2012 campaign book. i am not participating in this election cycle at all, but i would hope anyone dropped a nomination speech. i'm pretty good at it. i believe in the republican party but i am staying out of the 16, but i do all that but then i also give her in section number two my candid assessment of what she ought to think about the 16 people who are running against her, their strengths and their weaknesses through a country of this weekend because i did not pay close enough attention two my notes and i skipped carly fiorini. don't ever skip carly. you will never hear the end of it. [laughter] >> i have since seen her twice. she has reminded me on both occasions that i skipped her name. so, i will go carefully through this list and tell you what ought to worry the former secretary of state about each of these people. i am doing it now enough medical order. so you cannot accuse me because i have got no dog in this fight and i'm going to be relentlessly fair. former florida governor jeb bush. his greatest strength is clinton's greatest strength he has been around the track at presidential level six-time street his father in 1980 his father in 1984, his father in 1988 his father in 1992 his brother in 2000, his brother and 2002-- 2004p regard is that matter? because mrs. clinton has been around the track that many times as well, almost. she ran with her husband in 1992, her has been in 1996, she was in the white house in 2000. she was a noncompeting 2004 but supporting of senator kerry's candidacy, so she's not really in the 2004 election, but she ran in 2008 and she knows the primary circuit said she ran into thousand 12 as secretary of state looking at a candidate right for reelection and she is running again, so what does job-- to bush had the reclaim has? the experience that only comes with it running the. there is a reason that they build facilities all of the united states to train marines and other people in the united states military in simulation of the combat that they will be in. that is because you cannot possibly experience combat, but you will get close to it carried you can't possibly know what it is to run for president's. the, the tiredness, the ambush situations, the fact that you are always on unless you have done it before and the more times you do something better at it you get pure do you know how the interviews i've conducted since i began my career 1990 on the radio? more than 25000 interviews and that does not include callers to the radio show. it adds up if you do 15 hours of radio a week. four hours today. action, five. you learn how too do an interview and you will learn how to run for president and first timers don't have that experience to read mrs. clinton and jeb bush know was coming. enormous advantage. there is also the problem that bill clinton likes jeb bush. the clintons like the bushes in the bushes like the clintons. that makes a big tough to get into eight tough night fight politically. if it tough, but it won't stop mrs. clinton. then carson what does she have to be afraid of ben carson? he's an unlikely nominee, but i saw him speak again at close distance in the green room with his wife as he spoke on sunday night at the western conservative summit. he is truly a gifted order. he is also truly an inspiring story. without question no one has his story or close to his story in this race. everyone is privileged with possible exception of rick santorum compared to then carson and where he came from and none of us in this room unless there happens to be at pediatric neurosurgeon here can say with any degree of 30 that they know the healthcare system as well as he does from the end of the knife. that's a learning curve that no one else has. deed man of faith. extraordinaire like chris mc charismatic and she should be worried about him not so much because he will be the nominee, but because he will be a purchase that if the republicans are smart at every step of the process all the way through the next eight years of a republican presidency and maybe lightning will strike. i don't know i think probably fear he and not an carson and donald trump are long shots but nevertheless things happen. may i remind you of jimmy carter. things happen in the primary process that you can never tell. krist christie who announced her present on the day i am making a speech. is stored in a charisma, the big guy i call him in "the queen" and he is as blunt as they come. he is jersey path and she is very very resilient herself. but, what chris christie has been himself required to do is speak in explicit terms a great deal about things that trouble as whether its entitlement or anything else turn she has be worried about that kind of persona because to the degree he is blunt, she is not speared to the degree he is straightforward she is hidden for it to the degree he will tell you exactly what is on his mind, she never reveals her that contrast does not do her well and i talk about that. ted cruz, senator cruise i write in this book "the queen", is the only presidential candidate in my knowledge who has ever argued nine supreme court cases and one of them. he is probably the greatest constitutional scholar two seek the presidency since william howard taft and is probably superior of the man who would go on too become chief justice of the united states. that is ted cruz and it than not shopping or he knows the constitution and my advice two her in "the queen" is if ted cruz is the nominee do not debate him. [laughter] >> refuse. now, you might ask yourself cannot be done? who did it last? we are in the nixon library. richard nixon refused to debate george mcgovern in 1972. you bet it can be done and hillary clinton would be out of her mind to debate ted cruz. he would take her apart muscle and joint and that's why i recommend that she simply declare the republican party has chose to nominate barry goldwater. i will not honor or respect responsibly and will not engage senator cruise in a debate. i recognize he is a better debater is therefore i won't do that. that's why i wrote this book by the way. forewarned is forearmed i think that's what she will do. when i write a lot ted cruz in this book? he could lose goldwater like work landslide. i don't know. it depends on lightning in a bottle. you have no idea about these things. carly free arena this is the peril of writing a book, the year before the election and publishing it right in the middle of a surge of a person you dismiss as a non- candidate. i have had to tear eighth view pages out and chew on them a bit because it said don't engage don't respond, don't talk to her, it's she's dangerous. great advice, is that? hillary is following it and carly's anatomy because i write in this book you have no upside in engaging carly and that's why carly is rising in the upholstery chicos right at mrs. clinton every time she's given opportunity. most recently on my show tonight. lindsey graham with whom i never agreed on anything until the republicans in the house in the senate and the president decided to cut the retirement benefits of active duty military of 20 years and lindsey graham and i got together and we helped change that while because it was wrong. it was very very wrong and lindsey graham stands for one thing in my mind, which is a very strong military. he served in uniform in the us and only two of our candidates three lindsey graham and rick perry. that's a unique experience that makes you singularly able to-- the three warriors who were recently elected in the intake in the senate and the vice presidential role that richard nixon played in 1952. if we nominate someone up great experience and vast competence. they may case take a swing on one of our warriors in the senate because they will bring real world experience to this. i have to quickly talk about mike huckabee and he will be on my radio show tomorrow, so this is area after he will be on. might husk-- huckabee is the story teller in the bunch and the most able campaigner charming and wonderful man. i saw him in the hallway sunday morning when i cannata my hotel room and mike is working on the hallway didn't miss a beat. how are you? [laughter] >> mrs. huckabee will with him and you run into a million journalists and i don't expect to be recognized. everyone always calls me dennis prager anyway. [laughter] >> by the way dennis prager is a very bad man. don't buy his book, the 10 commandments, just because it's a best seller. don't go to prager university because it will change your life three don't do any of that stuff. bad man. that is what he is and i warned her about that and i suggested she co-op because of their shared arkansas experience in turn his strength into her strengths. to identify as an arkansas native even though she isn't but she did live there and she did work the back roads like mike huckabee. bobby gentle i don't know if they have an iq test for president he would win. he is the only man in america politics that speaks faster than i do. he is trouble getting traction early on, but watch that space. he sued the federal government over common core. that's his issue. common core is the most explosive domestic policy issue i have seen arrive on the political scene in 25 years. that elites in washington have no idea yet how badly screwed up homework is at the kitchen table. there is nothing worse than a mom and dad that can't dusek a grade math. [laughter] >> they are mad and this is an issue that is growing and bobby gentle who originally embraced common court as did governor bush, as did governor huckabee as did a lot they all did they all thought sanders would be great. it ain't working and bobby gentle has stepped up and sue the federal government because the federal government took over common court and the large education consortium has their financial interest in an general took it on. that's his secret strength his secret sauce, i warned her about that pilloried the governor of the greatest eight of the union, 17 to state of the union. it has produced the most presidents because we don't count them from virginia born on english soil. produced the people that invented flight, therefore american air power. and the first man to step up from this planet two another one, neil armstrong. john kasich is full of energy and he made decisions, which do not go down well with the tea party, expanded medicaid in ohio and my advice two mrs. clinton every single sentence bring up his medicaid expansion. , john kasich is a great governor and he embraced obamacare and do that again and again because you don't want to run against him in a general election because he carried 86 of 88 counties in ohio. he is blue-collar, deep blue, gm loving, uaw, united steelworkers employing. why did he do that? he is in credit-- incredible gifted politician at the retail level, so she doesn't want to run against him so she has to talk of his medicaid broken arm all the time. reminding primary voters to put up side the fact that he will win ohio. no president has won the presidency without ohio. remember that map board, virginia, ohio, colorado. that's a big advantage. ran paul, excuse me, i almost skipped george pataki and he doesn't deserve to be skipped. that many people taken that seriously. he sit up when america was flat on his back and lead in a time of crisis and prove that he was able to do so. his appeal to bipartisanship is the same as a number of people who say they can walk across the isle, but he did it and that his great strength. rand paul's great strength is in an era of worry about surveillance of the opium hack the worst national security nightmare with more than 20 million files including mayor. i filed an old days when i was in the government and i had three fulfilled background investigations done on me and they were all in files with the fbi. a background on all of our nuclear scientists as is everyone in the witness protection program as is every fbi and cia agent they are all of the opium files, which has been hacked with the surveillance state is a constant as mike morrell said on my radio show and he confirmed we will put it that way, mrs. clinton's server was almost certainly monitored by the chinese and their russian and the iranians of a probably have everything. we ought to ask them to fight about the 30000 e-mails that are lost. [laughter] [applause]. >> the common accreting concern that we have about the surveillance is what powers ran paul as well as his giftedness in connecting with young people and that is real, he sought the sweet his deep ethic a christian service and it goes on missions medical missions two place like what amal and performs free eye surgery or he walks the walk in that matters in america. he is the real deal. the rise of the islamic state in clips perhaps some of his anti- intervention of talk, but maybe not. we will see. governor perry was my guest today on the radio show. the most underestimated along with rick santorum of the candidates. it seems to be a time where scott walker said to be if you want to be someone from the past you beat come up with a name from the future. that might be true, but watch out for rick to your he has been around the track and like rick santorum he is done this before your human mistakes and he knows how to improve your he is not running after back surgery or running on vicodin here he does run with a gun and he does shoot coyotes and he is a texan and if it wasn't for texas we would've had negative job growth in the united states over the last six or half years and he reminder that continually. he is good in his glasses just like mine. [laughter] >> marco rubio as was described to me by one of the 16 is right now the hottest commodity. he is right now the flavor of the month according to one of the 16th, off the record. why is that? because i've never seen a more gifted order because whenever i see him speak i look around the back of the room and the wait staff comes out. why? because in this happens with ted cruz also because they see their son or daughter at the front of the room because marco rubio's father works the back of the room and if you've not ever interviewed someone you don't how impressive this is kerry i have done many and long interviews senator rubio and he has never had a note. he has had instant and total command and recall of everything about which i ask. he is never at a loss. in that he shares with ted cruz and amenities-- amazing eloquence in preparation and when he speaks in spanish as does governor bush my heart sinks because if you read jonathan alter's book or you read believer, as i have, you realize in the last campaign a lot of american citizens consume most of their media in spanish. a lot of those american citizens consume most of their media in spanish live in virginia florida, ohio and especially colorado. year where we were most surprised, virginia, ohio and florida went by margins of roughly 100,000 votes to president obama. colorado went to president obama by 120,000 votes out of a much smaller number. it was a blowout in colorado, almost 5% and the other states were 1% states. why? because of the latino vote in colorado. because spanish consuming american citizens were in title two vote and wanted to know the republican party understands that like the irish-american before them and the italian-american before them the latino american that whatever bridie and there are lots of varieties wish to be respected for their ethnicity and culture, but they want to be understood to be fully american and involved in the political process. seven-one, mitt romney was out specter gets told me, in person on the radio and a private his biggest mistake was made in not addressing spanish speaking media and we cannot make that mistake again. marco rubio's greatest strength is there, so would lead buys mrs. clinton? take him out. the opposition research. what a surprise the "new york times" is running marco rubio anti- opposition research. wears a coming from? it's not coming from our team. speeding tickets, really? a fishing boat that they call a speedboat. that he had a big mortgage and a lot a student debts or its constant. they have identified him as one of the greatest threats and are methodically moving to reduce him. rick santorum should be told he is most likely of anyone in this race. he is an italian catholic from western pennsylvania and sadly he is a steelers fan. [laughter] >> i have barnstormed with rick when he wrote his book blue-collar conservatives are dime catholic. he is catholic. he is a couple of years learned-- youngers than i am. he speaks to reagan democrats. in a way that very few people did. he won iowa for a reason for people like him in a small room. the national news media does not like rick santorum but he won pennsylvania twice or he only lost of the venue because it was the blowout year 2006. watch him. he remains consistently the most underrated candidate. donald trump i have already spoken about. his pt barnum meets alan keyes and throwing howard dean. [laughter] ahis colleague is my law partner robert o'brien. he was asked by every candidate. i have law partners in every corner of every republican team and a lot to like hillary. it doesn't matter. i asked why did you go with walker? he said he is a winner. he has won three times. o'briant who is part of team romney knows what it takes. been around the block. pcs in scott walker this quality. that's the 12 candidate. the last candidate hillary. what is your best strength? she is freaking indestructible. she is the most resilient political figure in america. she is like queen elizabeth. who became queen in the post world war ii england and his queen today. we've had for popes and one queen. five popes. she has been there since 1992. i joke on "meet the press" when i was asked, like according implant that no one told you you had. should been interview position since 1992. but think of what she has survived in the course of that. think of all of the scandals all of the controversy. she is the grandmother of obamacare. she was hillary care. edited to stick and she got back up off the floor after that defeat. the scandals of the second term. she ran for and won a new against record glossier. she made one mistake. she's good. 10 years first lady of arkansas and she really did care about children's health. she's a great mom, a wonderful grandmother. she is a dreadful candidate but she doesn't have to quote indicates because the media want her to win. they have the money. they have most of the media. they have a machine and they have a map your they have the voter vault of team obama. but mostly they have for resilience. she really can absorb anything. here's what i want to do when i do the the debate. here's what it did when i wrote this. i try to put myself in this mind. i want to ask the question of republican candidates that will help the republican voter understand who is best equipped to beat hillary clinton backs because that's what matters the most if you're a republican primary voters. so i'm looking for the things. what divides republican candidates? would you enforce the drug laws? some say yes and some significant asked them all would you break the rules of the tight senate to filibuster in order to repeal the obamacare? some say yes and some say no. the art issues that divide but in the final analysis the question i want to ask is why are you the one who can beat the queen lex all the other stuff is secondary if you don't win. thank you so much for coming out tonight. going by "the queen." [applause] >> booktv is on twitter and facebook and we want to hear from you. tweet us twitter.com/booktv or post a comment on our facebook page facebook.com/of tv. >> fox news contributed mary katharine ham and guy benson argue the political left silences that are political opponents through manipulations of discourse. it's next on booktv. >> thanks for coming. it's very exciting to be in the greater dallas-fort worth area. this is such a beautiful backdrop. has always think of as ammonia i was legally required to take a selfie with this in the background. we figured we would talk about "end of discussion" and how we wrote the book and how it is really for better or for worse better for the book, worse for the country much irrelevant been for what we are living out everyday in the news cycle in this country. i guess the beginning to the genesis of "end of discussion" began ironic with a whole series of discussions that mary catherine and i would have over the phone that we lovingly refer to in the book and chapter one we called and had explosions where we will get on the phone with each other maybe five times a week it feels like at least in some weeks and can you believe that this whatever fill in the blank happen or this is never think of how is this a thing? >> we probably had this moment where this is not -- summed it is. it blew right past because it's brand-new offensive. we find those everyday now and that's how it sort of begin. >> we were going back and forth and find i guess we realized this was a therapeutic experience that would sort of give to each other much cheaper than getting real therapy which and when you live in washington, d.c. and so it sort of do that for each other and the theme, the shutting down of debate, the boxing end of record and permissible thinking became a recurring problem that came up in our head explosion conversation. and, finally what tipped us over the edge was this event last year with brandon knight was the ceo of mozilla out in california. turned out he had donated the proposition eight in california which was a statewide basically ban on gay marriage which passed in california in 2008 on the same day president obama carried the state overwhelmingly and very blue state, so he donated to prop eight and usually was elevated to ceo of this company that he had helped found. there was a massive storm among some employees at mozilla and some outside activists to get it essentially fired or just a down from his position as ceo. he was hounded after they gave him a choice with tens of thousands of signatures on the petition, either renounce your views on this issue or get out. he sort of halfheartedly defended himself out of the gate and then the storm grew louder and louder and the average industry did it's thing. it was if the executive of his who is gay who came to his defense and said i have worked with him for a long time. we would discriminate on this issue but it's never impacted his leadership. it's never impacted any sort of country. is never discriminatory. but that wasn't good enough. his behavior wasn't good enough. >> it had nothing to do with his record or leadership or whether he discriminated. it was about a political view he held that was unpopular with the people who are launching this campaign. when he was ousted from the position we both went this is pretty scary. by the way we both happened to be -- reference and colleagues who disagree with on the issue with whom we have plenty of time to conversations. because we don't start from the point that anyone who disagrees with me is probably a terrible terrible bigot. that's the point in having a conversation, not missing that about someone who disagrees with you. our side is able to have those conversations but we looked at each other and said i disagree with brandon eich on issue but that doesn't mean people should come it doesn't should be hounded out, made a national pariah because you happen to disagree. it look like a scary turn that we taken as a countries would decide if i get off write something about it. >> we thought holding a mainstream political position and donating your private money to a political cause ought not be a fireable offense in the united states of america. even though it is a cause with which we disagree. that is sort of the beginning as you say of having a genuine conversation. and we think part part of the dysfunctional state of our national conversation is be imposed on both sides. our subtitle says how the left makes america less free and fun. we do argue in "end of discussion" that this is primarily a product and a problem on the left but we are not without our outrage merchants on the right certainly illegal, sort of call out their own side in the book including ourselves personal in certain circumstances because we did want to see some on our side are not good about this. that's tacky. we've done it, too. but i think the problem with the national conversation is how some people as was the most on the left in our view begin a discussion like ending it by sending the very worst about the other person, or the other side. the worst possible moment. at which point a genuine exchange of ideas is basically impossible. >> one of the things we said that makes america less free and less fun we represent the left free part because if you can't hold possibly a mainstream of minorities opinion about a political issue of the day and also hold your job how much free speech do you really have? that's what we need to think about. and we want to be that kind of country? on the other hand i was around we talk about less fun it's important to me because i like fun, if you look around and you think man, america used to be a place where we prided ourselves in pushing boundaries when it came to speech, and taking everybody off and everybody would get offended and everybody would complain. but that was sort of the spirit of the country. and now feels like the dominant is to set up new boundary. i'm offended by that and i'm offended by that and i'm offended by that. that should not be taken a person should not have a column and a person puts that on facebook should probably lose their job. that doesn't feel like the sort of rockets, freewheeling, free speech and of country that we want to live in. i think a lot of a ray of hope we found in researching "end of discussion" because they can get depressing when you come up with these stories, a ray of hope that i was this comedian. you saw that this week with jerry seinfeld and delmar jay leno has said in the past like look -- >> chris rock. >> chris rock who does not perform on college campuses either. look, this is killing comedy. those guys know that their livelihood is experimenting with words in public. if everyone has a video camera and a looking to be offended then they can't do that job. if every joke to tell the michael over online becomes a national news story, they can't do that job. the immediate reaction from the activist left is hate with exception of chris rock, aren't you guys mail and rich and white? i think we've heard enough out of you. here's the thing. those guys are rich powerful. what happens to the comedian who's just starting out he doesn't joke that goes over the line? he has no wealth and power to fall back on. jerry seinfeld will be fun. chris rock will be fun. which are losing is the new comics and people who decide never to do comedy because it's not something that's going to be inviting or be in a fun. and so that part of the book i was good for to providing professional realizing that this is a problem or frankly cooler than us because you needed to carry that message. and what kind of country do we want to live in? one what comedians can't tell jokes? spent by the way to thank all the sort of comedy stuff has just been happening the last two weeks, i don't know how many of your seinfeld fans but when jerry seinfeld came out and make the statements were thinking this is gold jerry, gold. because we have an entire chapter on the war on comedy in the book because we really it is an important part of "end of discussion" and so the chapter is entitled the uptight citizens brigade, and we quote, we had a cool exclusive interview with adam corolla for the book aloud some fantastic adam corolla -esque quotes. >> uncensored spent i think they might've actually, there's some stars in their for certain words but you very much get the message. we also promiscuously quote joan rivers was sort of a hero of ours because she was so should such contempt for the end of discussion mindset and culture with the people constantly agreed about everything, their little sensibilities have been dented and they demand apologies for every perceived infraction. the rules for which change constantly. she would just say no i'm not sorry. go blank yourself, they said was a joan rivers response. we are not pro-religious in "end of discussion." we believe in the golden rule and treating people well but sometimes when the mob is out of their they can sell blood in the water, sort of half apologetic and backing away and joan is a really well in which is absolutely not. next question. and they don't know where to go from there. they are like what do you mean you won't apologize speak with the beauty and the part of that is they don't have another story after that. the apology story is supposed to be the next star. when she doesn't get one they go, guess we better find someone else to get mad at. >> which they do. when we were researching "end of discussion" there's this classic quote that we thought was from boulder. -- voltaire. it's something i think we as americans would here's the quote and not -- and not along with which i may disagree with what you had to say but i will defend to the death your right to say it. an american say that's true free speech, free expression that's great. what we are seeing is how that term and how that is being twisted and perverted into an entirely new message which is we may disagree with what you have to say and therefore we're going to find a way to punish you for saying it. so it's sort of them without political correctness with us for decades at this point it is not a new phenomenon. what strikes us as bit and sort it getting worse is how this outrage is weaponize to and it is turned against people anyway where there's actual retribution for thinking the wrong things are saying something the wrong way. it sort of board on college campuses their college campuses are crazier things are going come a whole chapter on speed they are the opposite of college. places that were supposed to be about free and they are the exact opposite. >> actually so funny it's like this kid was trying to make it into the sql event. when jerry cycle came out and made his remarks and college junior at the university of san diego took it upon himself to write a column for the "huffington post" to explain to jerry seinfeld about humor. to jerry seinfeld. about humor. he was like no look you know, being sensitive to people's feelings, that's our job as learners. and so back off, jerry. and secondly i'm all about being offended at him all about being provoked. provoked innocent until the cows come home, jerry seinfeld, except to other things that you cannot provoke and off in the about. i would love to have been a fly on the wall with jerry seinfeld reading this column, and i'm sure snarking about it. >> is dictated stood up and read that column today, i would have laughed out loud. so he had that going for him spent a red light satire. please provoke and offending comic sections of law in come and hear are the things that you may not provoke or of any and actually these are things that can no longer be allowed in comedy. like straight up don't, shut up end of discussion. >> some people have said i'm interested in a national conversation that's a real one. province it's a good rule of thumb, the person who says they want a national conversation is least likely to want to engage in conversation. i am interest in debt. sometimes your buzzwords like national conversation and dialogue, if you may think we are the civility police but it's a part of end of discussion that is about other people are always yelling at you to be civil, it's another form of silencing. they are only asking once i to be sober and other side gets uncivil to know what has an issue. we are very i would say several commentators. even though i sent across from juan and bill -- >> whom we love. >> i maintain my good humor but i do think it's fine for people to yell sometimes. it's fine for people to get upset sometimes. we can all put on a big boy and go pats into effect sometimes people disagree. sometimes they are not as nice as they should be and just -- does not help us. >> maybe we can end on this point unless you think of something. we sort of keep going and we feed off each other and all of a sudden 20 minutes our past. one of the things come again we mentioned earlier, why we decided on what this book at this point was we felt like things were getting worse and different and i talk about the weaponization of outrage. another element of "end of discussion" is we also started to recognize this trickle-down effect where these rules and the outrage were not targeting public figures. to some extent been signed up for this nonsense. we live in washington. we give our opinions were living on tv and radio and in print your politicians are always walking on eggshells about how they are saying things are not going to alienate people by the fact that this is starting to bleed down and really permeate all corners of american life and impacting just average people. if you have a twitter account if you have a facebook account, you are in some way sort of possibly a public figure in this new media constellation and use the average normal people punished for things that are so deeply unjust. so we have, we their absurd examples. some examples we've given in "end of discussion" you heard of because they made national news. some of them you haven't heard of because just a private citizen getting fired for his or her job in a tiny town somewhere over something preposterous. one example is there was a dj in chapel hill, north carolina, where unc is and he was -- >> one of those edgy college towns. >> right. he was playing as a dj can avoid it in america at the time which was blurred lines by robert fick, a song i don't care for. she likes it if we argued about that. we wasted lots of time on that but he played blurred lines out of college park and the number one song in america. this do-gooder lefty chick decided we can't have is because -- >> personal, check is offensive. >> no, you are my progressions in this talk. this whole talk from the whole book is my progression we apologize deeply for writing it. but she decided that because there's some suggestive lyrics you know i know you want is one of the lines in the song, this could be a trigger for victims of sexual assault and therefore, because someone might be triggered -- she didn't claim to be triggered. someone might be triggered she dignity stopping the song and he was like what? this is the number one song. we are at a college bar we are playing the this on. at this point went back to her dorm got the feminists riled up if they wrote a whole petition saying this was perpetuating rape and demanded a boycott of the bar. at the bar was like wait we don't want to be associated with rape culture. they just fired a dj. to wake up you never spin here again. you special snowflakes are safe from the number one hit in america at our bar, and that guy lost his job for blank the number one hit in america as a dj. that's nuts. there was another guy come and example we give in "end of discussion" to work for a gaming company, a videogame company. remember the whole donald sterling thing, the owners of the clippers have been recorded by his lover making some deeply racist remarks sort of sequel he did know you've been recorded in his own home is a huge uproar at a loss to team hummer to applause for donald sterling. he's a racist, and we are not defending him but there's this twentysomething and working for the gaming company who just tweeted this is an unpopular opinion. he gave that caveat. problem number one donald sterling as an american has the right to be a nasty bigot in the privacy of his own home without being secretly recorded and destroyed by. bill more that a great monologue on hbo as well. -- bill maher. maybe shouldn't be subject to secret according that can ruin your life in a private of the oh, no. the guy who tweeted that was fired immediately without even though he wasn't even called them. they fired him publicly on twitter. so we tracked him down and he is so distrustful of the media -- >> understandably. >> he flirted with the idea of talking to us. ultimately, he did something like i can't come i can do. the discussion has been ended. he's been scarred by this. just an average guy. these examples, these are not the types of things that we want to see happen in a country that we hope to live and think and write and exchange ideas in for the next god willing few decades. we are like look, this is a problem, this is not what america is about. let's write "end of discussion" and at least shine a light on what's going on. how it happened, who these people are and how what seemed to be organic outrageous are often coordinated deeply undemocratic and deeply unfair. >> i will just close by saying in the past week i was chatting with a friend over lunch before we left new york and he told me about several outrages that have popped up that week, outrageous that i'd missed because they just come so fast at the clip now but the first one was a principal down in miami who lost his job for putting up a totally innocuous facebook comment on a miami news herald story about the pool party. he sided with the cops. i happen to disagree without a penny but also don't think you should get fired for it. there was no vulgarity, no racism involved, just a comment. lost his job as the principal. then there's the guy the scientist of late who made the somewhat awkward joke about women in labs falling in love with scientists and then falling in love with women. imagine that a scientist makes it awkward to joke about sex. i believe he was a nobel prize winner -- >> doesn't matter. >> very, very high up and you think how did and how did and how do. these things -- how did. they are happening so fast. he can keep track of them and it makes me sad to think of how many people are hurt in their own communities and in states and maybe doesn't make it to the national news level all the time who are losing jobs and lives and livelihoods and their families are hurt by this kind of thing. that ain't a fun american i think we would like to bring a little bit of that down a notch spent it is ruining our campuses to it is poisoning our politics. it is toxic to our culture and it is making america less free and fun. that's why we wrote "end of discussion" and we would love to take some questions for a couple of minutes if you have any. it better be good because the c-span is your speed and i look forward to reading the book. will i learn techniques on how to become a classic in the discussion packets of? >> we talk about a couple things. we offer advice and we do not claim to have a quick fix because this is a cultural shift. >> the name of the town or the top of the chapter is advice, sort of. >> but we offer some for different types of conservatives, liberals, moderates but we do also say one of the tactics that are not shy to bring it together but one of the tactics is remembering that the outrage mob is actually quite small. we have this incredible silent majority of people who just like edwards to chill out a little bit. but we very rarely come together. we thought about a coalition to chill back out out of we could gather most americans into. >> like it a huge petition of people literally just saying we don't care. chair yellen. >> -- carry on. >> i think getting that coalition together helps. i think guy will agree when i say get think we can do to help is by and a copy of "end of discussion." >> most important thing we can do. >> we did right in such a way that we wanted it to be approachable for our friends in frenemies on the left and moderates in the middle who can pick it up and to i do not agree with these opinions but i did not hate this experience. one generous amazon reviewer put it, are not monsters. i do think -- >> that's an actual quote. we should put that on the book. not monsters, raged amazon reviewer john. thanks, john. >> i do think that half of the battle and having discussion is actually starting a discussion with someone who disagrees with you actively. and so we did not want to alienate those people within a discussion comp instead want to offer something they could pick up until interesting. interesting. >> this may sound like a self-serving answer, it is true. the thing is we didn't want to write an outraged book about outrage. that sort of defeats the whole purpose. we are not going to fix our terrible national conversation by just preaching to our own side. that typifies the problem compounded the table and sing this sucks and this isn't fair and look awfully other side is on this. everyone gets angry and then what? we really did approach writing this book in a way to make it accessible and sort of fun to read. we've heard some good feedback. we tried to be funny. we failed in some circumstances but succeeded in others because it wanted the book to be enjoyable as much as a candidate on a topic that serious. if that sort of this joyless slog like killer clinton's campaign, no one is going to want to read that and we want people who don't necessarily see eye to eye with us to pick up the book get right out of the gate like these people are not here to like totally tried to convert me ideologically. we are right, you're wrong, get with the program or if you want them come close to our site please do but that's not the purpose of "end of discussion." one of the coolest things, this is anecdotal, there is a kind of follow me on twitter a few weeks ago and he is a self-described i want to get this right lgbt eco-socialist atheist activist, whatever that all is. >> sounds like our audience. >> this is not our core audience. he was debating whether or not he was going to buy the book and finally i wore him down with our relentless emotion and debris ordered it on amazon and in it had not arrived quickly enough and he would've wanted to the book it turned out to put up with to barnes & noble and bought the book. so now he has two copies which is awesome and he's never the entire book. he tweeted back his review of into the discussion and said look, disagree with some things. i think you didn't give your side enough criticism but over all really important topic or it was fun to read and you guys are really right about the core thesis. >> even started fighting with fellow lefties on twitter who are attacking our book having not read it but he's read and he is not one of our people so speak. we are like yes if an if in lgbt eco-socialist atheist and great "end of discussion" and not hate it, that's good. that's a promising thing. next question. >> to your point about buying more books i will do that. how do you suggest sending to your frenemies other than in a plain brown wrapper of? >> we actually did get permission in the preface if you're a nonconservative and you have this book and you're out on your public transit and whatever you do at you don't want your fellow public transit enthusiast to sort of judge it you can just take the jacket off off they don't have explained yourself to your friends but no what would recommend this if you're a conservative, we are conservatives of the book is most going to be read by conservatives, one of the things, that the best things about liberals, you know, at their core is at least their values of open-mindedness and tolerance and love those coexist bumper stickers. i think challenging that politely and nicely with their own values of if you're at our open-minded person which attach yourself to be here's a book that is not so infuriating that you read two pages and have to put it down. and makes some points about the state of our national dialogue. would you do me a favor and read this and in return give me a book from your site that you'd like me to read and just do an exchange. then talk about it. data we should be doing in america. >> so all the outrage usually comes from the liberals -- millennials. do you believe that's an innate quality or have their minds just been co-opted by the elite? >> it is so the question was with millennials millennials are often deeply engaged in the outrage initiative whether that's an air quality that they have or whether they have been taken in by their higher education. i have to say as a grandma of the millennials because i'm the oldest possible melinda cooke now, i'm right at the cutoff speed is so old. >> so i collected them. it is disappointing to see a generation in many ways is a entrepreneurial and address anything outside the box so often they're willing to say yes, free speech is great but not like that speech. so i hope that that is a maturity issue and that they can be something i would we talk to each other about and can be worked out. i also think that with young people in particular stripping them of entertainment choices is not a great way to convince them that this is the right path to be going to your americans love fun. young people in particular like they're fun. let's be serious. college campuses, liberals are. it's. a fancy then those radicals but they are puritans. they say you cannot watch mainstream movie. we would not be showing that movie on campus. >> american sniper attempted to be banned bent on several college campuses. >> piece of modern art have been too edgy for college campuses and the liberals have pushed them off. i think that kind of behavior doesn't necessarily fit well with millennials. there does need to be a discussion about what free speech actually means and what it means when he said sure, free speech is great but not that speech. >> by the way, melinda college students they think it is a better experience in your four years of college do not have chris rock come and perform could not have jerry seinfeld because he is too edgy? is that seriously what you think would make a college experience better fewer and and fewer viewpoints but how do we get to a point where there is the assumption among too many college students that it is their right not to be subjected to any ideas or people that might make them feel uncomfortable? that's the opposite of what this ought to be. we do discuss in the book this increasing trend toward disinviting commencement speakers because of ideological disagreements like its condoleezza rice, the first black woman secretary of state was basically disinvited at rutgers because about 200 students and some faculty raised a ruckus. >> christine lagarde, head of the imf and french economist and the woman french economist, too conservative for a college campus spent at an all girls school. >> but i do have some hope that young people come millennials if you look at the polling in the way they live their lives there so many ways in which they lived their lives boldly and mike wanted nothing to do with the three-year career in one specific topic they want to jump all about and trying to think and technology allows them to do that. i would hope you look at free speech and assembly incirlik at this outrage industry and to this is not comport with the way i live the rest of my life and i want to live boulder in this way, too. >> one more question. >> you mentioned at the beginning about joan rivers but i think we should all become joan rivers because she was unapologetic. but do we see things the kind of hope in hollywood? mel brooks could never make lazing saddles today. he's a genius. so is there anyone that is bold enough to actually stand up and do something like that nowadays? >> one other thing, and this is sort of a darker note within "end of discussion" but we did reference "charlie hebdo" massacre in paris and also remember the whole sony hack at the north korean threats about this ridiculous terrible comedy involving -- >> and wasn't that terrible. >> it was pretty bad. less generous. anyway, we will discuss this later i'm sure. there was this weird moment where here's what hollywood putting out a comedy where you this dictatorship halfway across the world sang we are offended by this and we're going to basically bomb movie theaters if you show it. a bunch of movie theater said if the daycare doesn't like the movie, they might, they just pulled the movie. that was a very disturbing moment. since when are we letting like crazy autocrats determine our common choices as free people speak was that was devastatingly. of americans will not sign up for comedies fable and up for nothing. this is what we cherish. it was a tough week. >> there was a backlash about it was released. i watched the movie on principle. watch the entire thing on principle. >> as you should have. >> exactly. george clooney was very outspoken about this. he came out as i try to get a bunch of heavy hitters in hollywood to stand for speech, stand for arkham stand for expression and very few people want to join him because i think less so because they were worried about bombs or whatever the north korean regime but i think they're more nervous about what those sony e-mails might have said about them. so everyone, sort of complicit threat of blackmail. it was a very, very toxic speech. >> what does help these days that people are coming up in the entertainment industry is the diversity of outlets the fact you can put a tv show on netflix or even to a web series on youtube. those outlets that didn't exist before. even people who are very poppe somewhat like a chris rock and start something outside the major companies that is edgier enkidu stuff like that. i think there are opportunities for that. that was a rate of focusing these guys stand up for this. this conversation has been going on in comedian circles for quite some time because they have felt this him inventing. i'm glad to see that and they think a lot of those guys will start getting together and women, start getting together and perhaps pushing to invoke a little bit more on purpose. i'm not allowed to be offensive? watch this. >> he did a monologue was i defending child molesters spilled definitely about child molesters that spooky was pushing boundaries and making a point. one of the things we love chris pratt, the start of like the new jurassic megahit, he issued a pre-apology, a satirical pre-apology for anyone they might have been during a promotional tour. it was done really, really well and that is the this. we tried to capture in "end of discussion." sometimes the best thing to do is ridicule these people because they are so serious about themselves. so self-righteous and just sort of popping the bubble come no we are not buying it. with a smirk i think is worthwhile. we are americans and we will start. i can offer coming to we love to take pictures and sign books and more books. thank you. and thanks to barnes & noble for hosting us. [applause] [inaudible conversations] >> you are watching booktv on c-span2 with top nonfiction books and authors every weekend. booktv, television for serious readers. >> now here are some programs to look out for this weekend on booktv. >> where are we? >> without the world-famous schomburg center for research in black culture. >> why world-famous? >> because it is arguably the most important repository for studying global black history founded 90 years ago this month. >> who is schomburg? >> he is the founding curator of the collection that carries his name today. the collection arrived here at the 135th street branch of the new york public library 90 years ago. he was a bibliophile who migrated from puerto rico in 1891 found a job on wall street working in the mailroom. saved his pennies, worked really hard and bought anywhere or unique book he could find that was by or about black people. he became famous for this collection. people would go to his home in brooklyn to see the library, to borrow from the library your people like winston hughes. when the librarian at the library on one of 35th street decided that he had a lot of black patrons coming through the library, said i've got to find material for my patrons. ultimately schomburg's collection of 5000 items was purchased by the carnegie corporation and arrived your 90 years ago and make made up the core of what not to do this 18 million item collection at the schomburg center. >> how did the center into a 135th in haarlem? >> because this was a settlement zone kind of ground zero for what came to be a negro mecca of the world. that is harlem u.s.a. for black folk. most people today think about harlem in relation to the apollo or the baptist church, 125th street is the commercial corridor of harlem and the public imagination. but it turns out that the first african-americans to really settle in this committee settled on 135th street where we are today between lenox avenue and seventh avenue. better known today as malcolm x boulevard and adam clayton powell junior boulevard. it was that one block that received some of the first black families and property owners. is why the ymca the first colored ymca is across the street. is why harlem hospital which was not for black patients in its founding became the main center for training black physicians and nurses and, of course, receiving black patients is directly across the street. this is an institution of residential home for black harlem. >> what is the schomburg center relationship with harlem? >> it is the official repository of this community. it is the archives of the place for telling the story of the history makers from langston hughes to james baldwin to maya angelou to harry belafonte and sidney poitier who grew up in this committee the malcolm x. this is the place that those people walked through these doors in search of information inspiration, fellowship and walked out of the store smarter, more committed, more passionate to to the store to do the work to help change this country. >> dr. khalil gibran muhammad, what is the relationship with the new york public library? >> new york public library owns and operates the schomburg center as part of for research divisions of its large municipal library system. the new york public library was the broker of the deal that helped to bring the collection you along with the carnegie corporation and innocent enough the national urban league. the library itself was committed to serving the patrons of this community by finding this collection, and for these past 90 years the new york public library supported the operation of this venture as it does other research center associate with it. >> okay, 10 million pieces, objects. what's in that 10 million? >> a lot of paper and a lot of books. we have about 400,000 volumes in terms of books and those books represent our purchases over the 90 years, including archer wrote schomburg better known as his original clutch hitter would also have a very substantial manuscript collection which has about 800 unique collections. and in those 800 collections begin at one from the playwright of a raisin in the sun to malcolm x mike angelo, it is those individual pieces of paper, the correspondence, the diary entries, the unpublished manuscript that add up to the numbers. with hundreds of thousands of photographic images, from naked to print to born digital photographs which, of course, represents more recent mecca of the we have a collection which represents the original jazz albums, unpublished material including moving images going back to the 1960s and '70s whether a lot of documentaries were made and we had that footage. finally, we have actually an art collection which rivals frankly the best art collections that exist in the country. we have argued this for kind of has taken issue with this that we may have in terms of serving a library museum the best collection of 20th century african-american fine art. so the collection is vast in range and a significant in what it represents for telling of african-american history and global black history. >> available to the public? >> yes. we are committed in the new york public library system to every single item that i've just described in general terms being available to any kind of researcher or individual, self-described, lay, expert young adult who is seasoned experienced, member of this community can come in and ask to see a rigid material can have it materials delivered to them so that they might see, touch feel, read for themselves. >> are you funded solely by the new york public library? >> no. the library receives about 60% of its general support from the city of new york. there is a substantial endowment that helps to fund the overall operations of the library. roughly speaking we get to 60% of her money from the city of new york vis-à-vis the new york public library and 40% funded from endowments and restricted funds and other grants that we are awarded in the course of our fundraising. >> what is your role? >> my role is to set the vision and direction of this institution they manage the leadership of this institution to make sure that our patrons who number more than 300,000 in terms of bodies to our doors every year, which i might add is three times the number of people who come your -- my job is to make sure that this place runs smoothly. that we are responsive to community needs in terms of programs, art exhibitions. somewhere that are funding shortfalls i focus on addressing them both short-term and long-term. i am a booster and to advocate for the important of institutions like this that are committed to history committed to diversity, committed to education, particularly one that expands our public sphere that helps people to feel a part of our democracy, engaged by it. so i carry a lot of water in terms of representing the institution external. >> how did you get your? >> i arrived here by way of a traditional search process but i was a history professor at indiana university for six years prior to coming here. i taught u.s. history with a specialization in race relations and african-american history. and the particular circumstances of microlevel coincided with the departure of my predecessor come and the search committee that was interested in france doing a reduced generationally, so it's able to talk myself into a pretty good gig. >> you have been here five years now. what significant changes would you like to see happen or have happened? >> this is the start of my fifth year, and i would say that we have worked very hard to make the schomburg center a relevant to younger audiences as it was in the '60s and '70s and 80s at a time when the schomburg center was very much engaged in the lives of young cultural reduces an artist and other activists i've already named. so we focus a lot on our program, bringing in different talent that would speak to those younger audiences. by that i mean in a setting like this we're talking about people from 25-or five years old. as a result of some nutella we've seen as i mentioned our numbers of people through our doors triple to over 300000. we've also increase or educational footprint. the schomburg center has a saturday program which is focused on college preparatory african-american studies. we use the collections to work with middle and high school students to increase their critical reading and oral analytical skills. and then we expose them to ways of communicating and expressing themselves from dance and spoken word journalism, scholarships so one is so forth. i focus a lot on taking the program and securing its finances as well as making it a model for other kinds of organizations around the country who are interested in doing more out of school time work where history is important. we have a lot of of us on stem science technology engine and mathematics. a lot of enrichment sports performance but very little on history. you know for program history is a big part of the nonfiction world and a big part of what we think is lacking and the overall popular culture. >> you've been quoted as saying i want to be the google of historic literacy. what do you mean? >> well, we want to be a resource in the way that bridges a millennial sensibility when it comes to technology and the speed and access of information with substantive and rich engagement. so google is the portal to universe of information and we want to be on the backside of that universe there to provide quality content and to be a source of inspiration for further learning. the last thing we want is for people to an experienced either in real-time are virtually that turns them off to the kind of deep engagement of ideas of scholarship and literature we are focused on. >> where did you grow up? >> southside of chicago. >> and college? >> college i went to the university of pennsylvania. i studied economics and decided late in my tenure that i was going to be a public account. i made a mad grab for accounting classes to i cried with a degree in economics and started taking summer courses with account and started as a public account for deloitte. >> how did you get from deloitte to history professor? >> well, college is a fascinating journey. the best a college is another gene to expose one to various endeavors of humankind. so for me all of the kind of liberal arts that i was exposed to in english and history classes and african-american studies classes none of which were my major, turned out to be the most interesting to me once i got out of college. i decided it was going to have to be a smart as i any duty as an accountant gaap so i could make sure that financial statements were accurate, i would rather be that smart in history or the smoke and african-american studies, something that was much more important to me intellectually and something that was a passion. so that's what after couple of weeks i said i've got to switch careers. i stayed in public accountancy for 22 must but decide to go to graduate school. i went to rutgers university and studied for a pulitzer prize winning author. >> and ph.d from rutgers as those. speak with yes spent is african-american history american history, or are they separate? >> it is absolutely american history. there is no america without the black experience being central to understand how this country essentially came to be the world leading superpower. you could tell the story of american history that starts with the european settlement and the indigenous population in the early world and conquest over land but you wouldn't get very far through the founding of the nation or the concept of freedom of the debate over slavery or even the economic destination without putting black people at the center of the historic. >> this is a quote from you and i will seek you can explain it further. something broke between the parents have been the purveyors of cultural knowledge from the '20s to '30s to the '40s to the '60s. that parents at some point, my parents generation, decide that they wanted their kids to go to wall street. they wanted their kids to be physicians. they wanted tickets to be lawyers. they wanted their kids to assimilate into american institutions in ways that are compatible with the old school approach. they did it with the best of intentions but too many traded on the opportunity of the 1980s. >> yeah, so that's an interesting quote. >> are you surprised by that code speak was not really. sounds about right. i think that the black experience has always been one about seeing the whole from the margin. and the moment after the 1960s move the margins to the center at least conceptually. and then shift the margins particularly for a burgeoning black middle class, people who felt like the work of reconciling the possible of the american dream with the reality that the legal infrastructure no one was a barrier to that comment meant that a significant number of african-americans lost that sense of skepticism about holding those principles in mind against the reality that people are experiencing. so my generation unlike my parents generation were not handed the kind of critical sensibility that had always been heart of the journey that have been thinsulate person, had been sharecroppers sensibility had been the early civil rights activist understanding that they as lawyers, privilege educated black people have an obligation to make sure that the coach was living up to its possibilities. ..

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