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Get informed straight from the sources on cspan, unfiltered, unbiased, word for word. From the Nations Capital to wherever you are. Because the opinion that matters the most is your own. This is what democracy looks like. Cspan, powered by cable. Next, a discussion about the ongoing challenges at the u. S. Southern border, with a former immigration and Customs Enforcement official, a former judge, and the parent of a man who was killed by an undocumented immigrant. They talk about border detention policies, a National Security concerns and an event hosted by the heritage foundation. This is about hour. I am a Senior Research fellow , this event which i called catch, release and then what because i want to try to find out what would happen to millions let into the United States on President Bidens watch. I did it twice in the year i have been here which is welcome to heritage and this event which i called catch, release and then what because i want to try to find out what would happen to millions let into the United States on President Bidens watch. I did it twice in the year i have been here which is two times as many as President Biden has as an elected official. Cities and sent all over the country. I started thinking what will happen to them. If you will imagine that in 2024 we elect a president of either party who believes in enforcing Immigration Law and maybe appoints officials at Homeland Security who believe in doing their jobs and i believe the rank and file and Border Patrol and customs and ice want to do what they are paid to do what would it look like. How would an enforcement minded separation make it better than it is now. I put together three experts with more experience than i have and complementary experience and i look forward to talking to them about their views. Before we do, that i hope you will bear with me five minutes to watch a short video put together mostly with footage i took with my camera so it is low quality but the people here made it look nicer to give you an idea what i saw in case you dont follow this closely what is happening down there. The u. S. Mexico border is sparsely populated with desert, mountain, farmland for as long as as United States of america and mexico have been in existence it is a vitalle conduit for trade. The border has always been vulnerable to smugglers but in the last two years we have seen historically unprecedented illegal crossings mostly from people far farther than mexico like peru, indiana, poland and cuba. It is a result of the policy of the Biden Administration to enevery program by previous administrations that kept the border under control. He stopped border wall construction his first day leafing gaps and piles of unused materials and kept them outside of the United States. His d. H. S. Began releasing them in mass numbers. The word spread at the speed of social media that the u. S. Border was open. This decision to allow them into the country despite knowing they will not qualify for asylum has effected not just border communities but the whole community. Nearly 2,000 died trying to cross in the last two years. Agents and border and state military risk their lives and more rail on the Border Patrol is low and hiring is hard. Around 60,000 americans die every year from opioid overdoughs mostly by fentanyl which comes through mexico. It is a big story. The border is 2,000 miles but lets zoom in one spot, yuma, arizona. They grow 90 of the lettuce. Beyond there is the Colorado River and wall. There is a gain where a gate was never finished. It is the preferred spot for aliens to cross. To make it easier d. H. S. Under the Biden Administration did not use some of the lights and monitors in place. The gap is next to an indian reservation with only small barriers to stop vehicles. In the day you often wont see people so you can find traces they came through leaving trash, coins and documents showing they come from all over the world. Even though they want to surrender to Border Agents they dont want to use documents because they have been granted alum before coming to the United States like this venezuelan who had status in peru. The real activity starts when day turns to night. Now they walk around the wall and give up to the Border Patrol and wait. The Border Patrol gives them a luggage tag to claim the bags. One typical night we met people from 16 Different Countries none with a visa. Mostly looking for work. Opportunity. Nonetheless the Biden Administration wants to let them in so they assume they will all ask for asylum. Only about 15 are approved most of those released wont qualify. They never qualified for visas in india. Flying to mexico and crossing illegally is safer. They get on buses. They get sent to processing camps run by d. H. S. And they get a notice to appear in court to begin the process that would remove them. Sometimes they just get a letter telling them to investigative the most convenient ice office then they are sent to processing officers who are paid by federal grants and left to fend for themselves. Sometimes they get clothes and shoes. The n. G. O. s give them a plane or bus ticket and they have no money to go anywhere they want. Americans need to fly using a real i. D. That asks you to prove who you are. Illegal aliens can just travel with the document from the d. H. S. At the same time many have entered without being arrested. Some brought across the desert and hide. Then they are driven north. This travel makes it coyotes very rich. U. S. Agents have signs that over 1. 5 of these have entered but we have no idea who they are. They are increasing the number allowed to apply for parole using the phone application and inventing new programs in violation of the law and congressional intent. Never before in 4eu69 have so many in addition missable aliens been allowed. The cost for them are over 150 billion but there are plenty other costs that cant be counted in money. What happens now . To help me answer that question i would like to welcome our panel. First we have andrew author a resident fellow at the center for Immigration Studies and former immigration judge. Next to him tom homan visiting fellow at heritage and a long career in Law Enforcement. Next to him Don Rosenberg the president for advocates for victims of illegal crime. Tom, i would like to start with you. What we see every day if we watch the right tv channels is this normal . Can you put it in Historical Context . No, it is not normal. Under the last administration of President Trump, regardless of what your opinion is of President Trump you cannot argue the success of his administration on Border Security. Illegal immigration was down 83 , 4year law. Unprecedented by any president. I worked for six president s from ronald reagan. Every president took Border Security seriously because you cant have National Security without Border Security. No one did more than President Trump. This is based on raw data. Great success the joe biden is the first president in history who came and unsecured a border. He abolished pretty much everything we did. We went to the most secure border to historic illegal immigration win months. Within months. Not by mismanagement. By design. What we see today is incredible. It is a lawless border and now that the d. H. S. Claims they have had success they move them through the port of entry. When they were losing, if the judge based it on the parole statute im not a lawyer but i can read. They can proehl a half Million People we know of. When i was ice director a year and a half i think i did three paroles. They did over a half million. They are becausing the parole statute to move people through the port of entries. That way they can claim illegal encounters are down and claim victory. Border patrol i think they had over 5,000. You add that to the thousands coming through port of entry, the numbers are historic. It is a shell game. As long as they continue to do this with no deterrence to enter illegally they will keep coming. That brings me to the next question which is about the heal aspect. Can you help us understand what is actually happening to the people we saw lining up . I was under the impression that if you arrived you were supposed to be detained. That is what the immigration nationality act says. In part it has says since 1903 with respect it the rest of them since 1996 they are supposed to be detained from the moment they are an pretended to granted asylum. You mentioned i was an immigration judge. I was an many segregation judge in york, pennsylvania. They would put them in the york county jail. That was under obama. This isnt a republican or democratic thing this. Is joe biden against everybody else. When they release them it is under protocol which is supposed to only be used in the case of somebody who needs emergency medical treatment or is a material witness in a criminal case. The Biden Administration has paroled 1. 4 Million People on a casebycase basis outside of those parameters. Im not making up the parameters. The former i. N. S. In 1982 said that is what was intended. 890,000 of those people came in through the ports or were apprehended. The other way they are releasing them is under 236a which is the general arrest and release authority in federal law with respect to immigration. That only applies in the case of somebody who is arrested on a warrant. It wont surprise you the Border Patrol agents are not there with warrants asking simon i have your arrest warrant. They are abusing that authority and releasing people on their own recognizance any sapbs. The recognizance any sapbs. The only time you do that is if they are not a danger it the United States or a flight risk. With respect to whether they pose a danger it the United States, Border Patrol doesnt know. They only have access to u. S. Information data bases, class n. C. I. Things like that. They might have some fortune information. I refer you to the case of a brazilian who was arrested in somerset, massachusetts. He was appear apprehended in arizona. He was convicted of murder in brazil. He had been arrested in connection with the assault on a Brazilian Police officer and he was a member of brazils largest cartel. They released him in the United States because they didnt know anything about him. But a judge in a decision that he issued in florida versus the United States on march 8 said they dont know anything about the people who come into this country. That seems a good segue to ask don, if we take a given pop lease of people say 10,000 released every population has a percentage of people with criminal records. What is the impact on American Communities from releases thousands of people some of home are recidivist criminals . My impact of where im coming from, from advocates, my son was killed 13 years ago by an illegal alien. Thats what got me involved and looking at the statistics. Where tom certainly tries to keep them out and art is involved in trying to do that, i get it at the back end. We get it we the crime has occurred and we have a victim that we are trying to help the family because their child, spouse, grandparent has been typically killed. Trying to find numbers on how many people is almost impossible because a lot of the crimes never even try to determine if the person is illegal. For example, i live right outside the city of los angeles. In 1979, the city of los angeles create wad they call special order 40. Special order 40 basically forbids the police or Law Enforcement from determining whether the person who has committed a crime is here illegally. Now, they have certain openings but how many have committed crimes just in los angeles in the last 44 years . If you look at numbers, a good place it look is g. A. O. Issues a report i guess three in the last 18 years where they talk about criminal alien crimeed a they are looking at it from the back end. These are people in jail, have been identified as being here illegally and committed crimes. Just to give you one number, this is the 2016 report which covered maybe four or five years, the people in jail here illegally were responsible for over 33,thou3,000 homicides, manslaughter convictions. That is one little time. And that number constantly in the report they are reminding everybody that that is a minimum number. Because a lot of people are not caught. They leave the country, dont spend the time in jail you need to to qualify. So the numbers are outrageous. You are talking about crimes in that period in the millions. You bring in 2. 5 Million People we know of and another million and a half or closer to two million, even if it is a small percentage it is a lot of crime. I was devastated to read that story. And, as you say a crime happens to an individual. Tom, we hear secretary majorca say like the border is secure. He says aliens refused asylum will be swiftly put in remove proceedings and if they dont get asylum deported. Ferrell if his lips are moving he is lying. He lies and he is being impeached. The republicans need to get it done. I watched a hearing and he wouldnt answer the question about how many illegal aliens had been removed. That is close to zero because i talked to leadership and here is what is happening that people dont understand. Why are they being released. Why are they not descend when they should be. If we look at the data the last 10 years in the many segregation court you said 85 failed it is 87 so nine of 10 never get relief because they dont qualify or dont show up. So, why are they detained . Go to the report the seconds report if you are in ice you are removed 99 of the time but if you are not, you leave 6 of the time. So they know what they are doing. They know this administration has the same data points nine of 10 will fail but if they are not in detention they what leave and what is said on recordment being in the country illegally is not enough so it is set up that they cant be removed. Our next administration there are millions of people unlawfully released in nine of 10 cases dont get comfortable. We will come look for you because if you dont have execute the judges order, the due process means nothing. The left cant keep saying they have a right to due process. Ok. But we that due process ends in a judges order in has to be executed or it is battalion up. Shut down the immigration court. If the order doesnt mean anything shut them down. But let me add one thing about when you get an order removed and it is not executed what happens . I used to take phone calls from republicans why did you remove that . He didnt have two kids when he entered the country and ordered to move. Now that he went he is immune and the order means nothin