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if you are looking for a job, (202) 748-8000. if you are not looking for a job because you are happily employed or if you dropped out of the workforce, (202) 748-8001. if you are an employer and you hire people, (202) 748-8002. and if you have recently retired, call us at (202) 748-8003. you can reach us on social media , facebook.com/cspan, and send us a tweet at @cspanwj. welcome to "washington journal." before we get to your calls, we will look at headlines, hear from the president, we will talk to an economics reporter. here's of the headline from the wall street journal this morning. it says that the economy extends strong hiring growth. unemployment stays at 3.6 percent, laborforce declines and tight market for workers. the u.s. labor market extended a run of rapid job growth last month, despite increased economic uncertainty and jittery markets as employers rushed to serve waves of consumers shopping, dining out, and traveling more. here's a look at the hill newspaper, here is the headline, economy as better-than-expected 420,000 jobs in april, unemployment holds at 3.6%. the president was speaking about those job numbers in ohio. take a look. [video clip] pres. biden: today's job reports shows the strongest job creation in the modern times of the american economy. today's report showed we created 420,000 jobs last month and that means we have now created a total of 8.3 million jobs in my first 15 months in office with the help of the -- behind me. [applause] the unemployment rate stands at 3.6 percent, the fastest decline in unemployment in the start of a president's term ever recorded. again because of the guys behind me. black unemployment has been caught in half since i took office and unlike previous administrations, where the deficit went up, -- deaths when i'm every year -- deficit went out, every singly year we reduced the deficit. with everything we have done, we reduce the deficit by a total of $350 billion. that reduce the deficit. last year. this year, by the end of the fiscal year by october 1, we will reduce this year's deficit by $1,000,000,000,500 -- $1.5 trillion. never in the history of america has that happened before. host: we are joined now by a reporter for the hill newspaper, on zoom with us. hi, silvan, welcome to the program. >> thank you for having me. host: put these numbers in perspective with us. was this in line with what economists were expecting? reporter: this was sort of in line with what economists were expecting but bottom line, this was another strong month for the u.s. economy. 420,000 jobs added at this point in our recovery from the pandemic is still really good. the unemployment rate is about .1% higher than it was before the pandemic and the job gains we saw were pretty broad throughout the economy. we saw hospitality in the way again but we saw pickups in financial, health care, really everywhere but public education, so all in all it was a strong month for the economy. host: you said there were gains in the only place it has dropped then was public education? expand on that a little bit. reporter: that's right. there has been some unique issues facing state and local governments in terms of getting back to their full, pre-pandemic functions in terms of government workers. there was a big chunk for states locally and american rescue brian -- rescue plan signed last year. there are still concerns about getting the money where it needs to go but beyond those specific situations, there is a lot of, and the private sector at least, job creation. host: put the unemployment rate in perspective. i understand it is near 50 year lows at this point. reporter: sure. right before the pandemic it us, in february 2020, the on them limit rate dropped to 3.5%. that at the time was the lowest unemployment rate in 50 years. on april 2020, that shut up to 14.7% when the u.s. lost about 21 million jobs in span of a month when a pandemic it us but ever since then, we have been rapidly adding those jobs back into say the labor market right now is -- the percentage of americans think for a job and cannot find one is about the same as it was before the pandemic, even though we are on a different economy in many regards. host: talk about the labor participation rate. what is it and why is it important? reporter: the labor force participation rate is pretty important because it measures how much of the american population is actually -- working age population is out there seeking a job or is in a job or wants to get in a job. policymakers want labor participation rates to be high as possible, that creates economic productivity and means a lot more people can get by better. basically what had happened was during the pandemic is labor force participation fell sharply for reasons you can imagine. folks can i go to work because they were taking care of a loved one with covid or head over themselves, maybe their employer shut down and worked out an industry that it was hit hard by the pandemic. labor force participation has been priming since then but is about 1% below where economists would like it to be, or sorry 1% below where it was before the pandemic so a lot lower than economists would like it to be. host: what about wages? what is the latest report telling us about wages? reporter: wages grew 5.3% over the past 12 months. which is pretty strong and it is remarkably strong but is a little slower than it has been in the previous months. that is kind of a win/lose situation for the economy in some ways because you generally want people to be making more money, especially at the lower wage and of the spectrum -- wage end at -- end of the spectrum. economists were hoping the pandemic recovery would help bring those back up. now we are in the situation where wages have been going up so fast for so long that it is one of many factors that is starting to feed into this inflation we have seen throughout the economy. so now the federal reserve and central bank is in a position to try to raise interest rates fast enough to bring wage growth and the general pace of the economy back in line with normal trends but slow enough that we do not hit a recession. host: i was going to ask you about interest rate hikes and how that impacts all of this. also, the stock market is not doing so well right now. reporter: that's right. the stock market has had a bad week. thursday was the worst day for the dow jones industrial average and nasdaq composite since 2020 and markets are probably going to continue to have volatility as they get a sense of what these rate hikes mean for the economy. generally speaking, when the fed hikes interest rates, the pace of the economy slows as consumers and businesses are dealing with higher borrowing costs so they are spending less money overall. the issue is the fed does not want it to get to a point where the economy slows so much the u.s. stop setting jobs entirely. with 420,000 jobs in april, two hundred million jobs over the first four months of the year, the u.s. economy is in a good position, but at the same time, the fed faces a lot of different obstacles like the war in ukraine, covid chuck downs, ongoing supply chain issues that are all putting pressure upward on inflation, and that will make their job harder. host: finally, what are economists expecting do you think for next month's jobs report? do you think it will be just as strong or will it start to level off? reporter: economists are expecting job growth to slow a little bit as we get deeper into this recovery and interest rates get higher. even a slowdown from april would be -- host: thanks so much, a reporter for the hell, nice to have you. reporter: thanks for having me. host: we will go to your calls now. we are asking about your job situation. first up is tom in west columbia, south carolina. good morning, tom. caller: good morning. let me give you some real quick demographics about me. i have 81 years old, noncollege, divorced, and i'm not trying to be funny about this but i'm not a very tall individual. i'm looking for a job and i have some great training in my previous employment days. i call them my previous jobs that i've had, but when i apply for a job and show up for an interview and they see i'm short of statute, that i'm not college-educated, and i'm divorced, the door kind of gets shut in my face. host: what kind of job are you looking for? caller: i'm looking in sales and marketing, which is what i have done all my life ever since i started working when i was eight years old. and i am 81 now. so i'm pretty well educated in how to do that. host: and how long have you been looking? caller: the door gets shot in my face. i'm sorry? host: how long have you been looking for a job? caller: probably three or four years now. i have been retired about 10 years and of course an employer wants to know what have you been doing those 10 years? i've been watching the prices rise and let's make a deal. nobody wants to listen to me. i think i'm not by myself in this group. host: so you retired but you needed to come back to work? why did you come back? caller: that's correct. host: so why did you retire in the first place? caller: i want to come back in a -- why? i got retired. my physical appearance did not fit the -- what the company wanted to present to potential customers. host: tom, best of luck to you. that up is michael in north carolina. hi, michael. caller: hello. host: hi. caller: how are you? host: good. go ahead. what is your job situation? caller: currently employed and transferring over to a new job now, but i'm still employed at the end of the day, right? host: yes you are. why are you looking to change jobs, michael? caller: max lee separating from active duty and i just wanted to make a comment on the current job market. host: sure. -- i am actually separating from active duty and i wanted to make a comment on the current market. host: sure. caller: the numbers seem to be going down and down but realistically it is putting pressure on corporations that can afford to pay people a little bit more. the american public is not willing to work for -- i think the standard was $10 even though minimum wages at seven dollars, the standard was $10, something amazing not five years ago and now to see companies like amazon , for example, having to bring it back up to $15, which is great still with the rising housing market and cost-of-living in states these days but i think we are starting to see pressure on some of these big companies to pay the american public what they are worth. host: that is interesting. do you think those rising wages are going to put more pressure on prices to go up? somebody has got to pay for it. caller: of course. i think that is the big fear, especially like i forgot the gentleman's name but the rising interest on almost everything. i just got into a long-term loan lot too long ago and it is higher than i was used to but i know the past two to three months everything has been going up. i think that is the fear that, as our paychecks go up, so do the price on things. i don't know if it is something about federalization, i find it hard to believe big companies need to raise their prices and not just need to reallocate funds. give the american public what they are worth. host: thanks, michael. let's talk to tim in alabama. caller: that's right. host: hi, tim. caller: i would like to comment on the jobs situation for women in this country. the pandemic has really affected the women being able to work because now they are able -- now they have to stay home and to some of them have to take care of kids, to raise their family, and the other part of the women's job market i am noticing is that when the laws are passed against abortion, then the women will have to stay home and work and raise the children and take care of the family, so this is going to affect again the job market for women and it will affect the advancement women have made in education, in politics, and in other areas. it is kind of like a comparison to me of women being denied their rights like they are in some of the other countries like some of the muslim countries where they are not allowed to drive, they are not allowed to work, so what is happening with the job market for women is the advancements they made, the abortion ban will take all of the advancements away from them. host: there's an article here from cnbc about that, the job market for women headlines, more than half of april job gains went to women but one million women are still missing from the labor force. it's is april and march is the third straight month for job growth for women who gained about 65% of the new positions created. women gain jobs across major sectors last month including leisure and hospitality, retail, trade, government, and the education and health services sector. yet women still lag behind men in economic recovery. 181 thousand women left the labor force in april compared to 131,000 men. there are close to one million fewer women working or actively seeking a new job than in february 2020, which is before the turndown. joe is next in maine. joe? caller: thanks for taking my call. i would like to point out one thing, the republicans keep talking about how they appreciate women and it is so important. the republican party would not vote for equal pay for women, so that is the end of the discussion. they don't give to hoots about women -- two hoots about women. this abortion thing, all of a sudden mitch mcconnell is not working to end abortion with what he has done the last five years. the republican party is the republican of lies. so here we are in the job market, donald trump said he created the best economy ever, that is a lie. host: what is your job situation? caller: i am a retired firefighter from massachusetts. host: ok, and why did you retire? was it just time or are you happy in your retirement? caller: i have a bad back. i could not continue working. i was involuntarily disabled. host: joe, take a look -- joe is retired in one of our previous colors talked about the being un-retired, so this is the headline from cnbc, un-retirement is becoming a hot new trend in the sizzling u.s. labor market. since the level of workers who retired then came back a year later is running around 3.2%, just about where it was before the pandemic, a thriving jobs market in which workers virtually have their pick on where to go coupled with soaring inflation and the fading of covid fears are all contributing to this trend of un-retirement. james is next in north carolina. caller: good morning. i would like to refer to mr.'s comments. he must have mentioned the pandemic at least 20 times so i'm retired. i'm a former adjunct instructor at a community college where i was teaching young students in the health care professions about what i would like to encourage people, the pandemic has certainly affected it across the country. you have an ipad right there and you often reference the new york times, washington post, the wall street journal. i would like to to reference the latest edition of the new england journal of medicine, the most premier journal of medicine. many of the articles are free. we need to get to immunizing and vaccinating the country to 80% to have herd immunity. some of the major articles that are free, just let me list a few of them. efficacy request for kobe sars to vaccine, -- host: so are you saying really the jobs market is about getting more people vaccinated so the covid rates come down and more people are able to work? caller: absolutely. let me just go on for a moment. vaccine effectiveness against omicron in south africa, copperheads of covid-19 response, then looking at the falsity, ivermectin for early covid-19 does not work, convalescent antibodies after omicron infection. these articles are free. host: all right. appreciate that input, gil. let's talk to patty next in atlantic city, new jersey. caller: good morning and thank you for taking my call. i wanted to comment and adjust have to do with the job market with women, about this roe v. wade case. i just want to say as an independent voter that mitch mcconnell and the republican want to make women secondhand citizens and have to answer to men about their bodies and i think -- i know this will be a very big issue that 90-year-old women will come out of the corners to fight this. host: and how is this related to the jobs market? caller: it's related to the jobs market because, if roe v. wade is overturned and women become second-class citizens, it will affect the job market for women, for sure, because women will be tied down and forced birth and so on. they will not be free to make decisions about their own bodies and lives. host: all right, patty. we are asking today what is your job situation. you can feel free to give us a call. the numbers are separated by looking for a job, not looking for a job, unemployed -- an employer, or recently retired. those numbers are, if you are in the job market looking for a job, (202) 748-8000. if you are not looking for a job, for whatever reason, you are happily employed or dropped out of the workforce, it is (202) 748-8001. if you are an employer and hire people, it is (202) 748-8002. if you have recently retired, (202) 748-8003. let us know what your job situation is. we have a tweet from some members of congress. take a look. this -- democrat senator from virginia, tim kaine says this. "that makes a record-setting 8.3 million jobs created since potus took office and one of the lowest on them point rates in decades. this is the american rescue plan at work. now let's build on that progress to lower costs for families." this one is also from democrat sherrod brown who says "don't forget the 473,000 manufacturing jobs created since potus took office, a huge deal for manufacturing states like ohio." and this is republican senator ted cruz that says "the white house is blissfully peddling the jobs report. the american people can see through their strong economy spin. inflation is through the roof and wages cannot keep up with it." this is representative aged -- adrian smith saying "inflation is outpacing wage gains and the labor participation rate is unchanged from last month's. today's report puts a spotlight on democrats failed economic policies, americans deserve better." let's talk to steve next calling us from cornelius, north carolina. hi, steve. caller: hi. thank you for having me. i was a retiring doctor but the hospital basically said since were so shorthanded i could work as many days as i wanted, as many days as i wanted, so they were very accommodating because of the shortage of positions. my second point was this worry about covid and whether that is having an impact on people coming back. at the last staff meeting, we have had numerous covid hospitalizations over the last few years, but we have, for the hospital, 743 beds, which they cover. and one of the hospitals, for the first time in two years, they have had no covid cases in the intensive care unit at our small hospital. we have local the case is currently. it is -- it has become a moving target, clearly let's purulent, less severe, -- less severe lint -- virilent, less severe. we have asymptomatic covid just simply not being tested. just as an observation, we typically had flu cases in their a few in the intensive care unit but to have no covid cases, none of the intensive care unit, i would think the argument at least the current variant of covid in our small little area is less than the flu. host: do you have a high vaccination right where you are? caller: no, it is a pretty low one, about 50%. it's probably -- i don't know, previous people worry about herd immunity. i think it is hard to figure out. measles is the analogy saying it has to get up to what the measles rate is. that might have been true for covid in its initial presentation, but certainly what is herd immunity now? i would have to say it is speculation whenever i hear people give number -- give the number. host: let's talk to john next in milton, georgia. hi, john. good morning. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. i retired. i was a schoolteacher in pennsylvania for almost 30 years, i retired in 2019, moved to georgia. i was recently hired. i will go back into the classroom. my concern with all of this is i am 68, my health is good and my new employer currently is masked optional which is fine. i have no problem with that. what worries me is, if there is a surge in the fall or winter coming, i will have possibly a breakthrough infection. i worry concern for myself but also my wife who is immuno compromised, so for me, it is kind of balanced where can i be safe and what level of risk can i tolerate? host: so why did you go back to work? caller: that's a good question. a couple of things. number one, i felt lost in retirement frankly. covid did not help with that. i moved to georgia to be closer to family and grandchildren, which is great, but again covid limited our contact with the grandkids, so just a feeling i still had a couple more years and me to contribute. my health is good. host: aside from being a little worried about covid, are you happy back in the jobs force? caller: so far because i seem to have had gotten my bearings back a little bit. i think what happens to people in retirement more than they want to admit is they flounder bed. some don't and some do. i think i did. i had things to do, things i like to do, but i felt -- i think it is generally happening when you retire, you sort of lose your sense of purpose and have to find a new purpose. i am still probably transitioning there, probably going back the other direction at the moment but i know down the road two to five years i will probably be retired again and facing the same issues. so hopefully by then covid will not be one of those factors. host: all right, john. ken is in dimon, missouri. good morning, ken. kenneth. caller: good morning. are you talking about herd immunity? i had both modernity shot in the booster and i wound up getting covid anyway. so sometimes they don't work. host: what is your job situation, kenneth? caller: i have been retired since 2012. i do not need to work. i had retired because my wife had cancer, but i'm fine. one thing i do not like about this program is the democrats get on there and accuse republicans of everything. when actually that is what they do. so just like the jobs report, the man said this morning, how many jobs were created but forgot to mention how many people left the job force. you never mentioned that. it is a one-sided deal and that is not right. you've got to mention how many -- how much increased and decreased. host: thank you for bringing that up. the president was talking in ohio, sherrod brown mentioned manufacturing jobs. here he is talking about that. [video clip] pres. biden: i am tired of trickle-down economics. i've never seen it really work. i tell you what, i am a capitalist, i am wanting to boost the bottom up in middle out. when that happens the middle-class to find in the wealthy do very well, never get her when that happens. just the small manufacturers in ohio, illinois, florida, connecticut, virginia, they know what is going on. all of you know, everyone of you know that competitiveness and resilience of american supply chain rests on tens of thousands of small-sized manufacturers like the ones i met here today. that is where the supply chain america is. they account for nearly 99% of all manufacturing enterprises and more than 5 million american jobs. every general electric, honeywell, siemens energy, lockheed martin, there are hundreds -- for everyone of them there are hundreds if not thousands of smaller suppliers that help these iconic american businesses compete globally. host: that was the president speaking in ohio recently about manufacturing jobs. let's talk to daniel in delaware. good morning, daniel. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. how are you today? host: good, thanks. caller: good. i am a retired -- and the pennsylvania area, work for big supermarket and was able to get out. this problem with the transportation and automobiles industry, etc., you pay what you get for an life and all like that. the business is sending good jobs over to third world countries, the epidemic came in the virus came and we saw what happened. [indiscernible] a lot of folks right now are sitting at their house, supposedly working from their house. you cannot drive a truck from home, can't work in the supermarket from home. a lot of this was brought on by ourselves and i just do not understand how they go back and forth and nitpick over stuff and families here who play by the rules and do the so-called right thing in life are always the ones penalized. host: daniel is gone. let's talk to elizabeth next in lutherville, to loney him, maryland. caller: good morning. i'm a senior and i've been looking for a job ever since i became retired. i had to quit my job in 2010 because i became ill. the last 40 years i have been looking for a job as a senior and cannot get one maybe because i do not have transportation. i do not have a car, my payment is a long way away, i and based an apartment in maryland, no buses where i live. if there was a bus why lived, i would take the bus to work. no one will hire me because i'm too old. i have a phd in cultural anthropology and masters degree nba, but no one will hire me because i'm too old. [laughter] every time i've had job interviews over the phone and every time i get a job interview they asked me when i graduated from high school. i say 1959 and then they hang up on me. [laughter] so that is really the reason i cannot get hired because i'm too old. i wish i could get a job so much because i cannot live on my social security. i cannot afford to pay for everything on my social security. if anyone would give me a job i would be grateful. take my phone number over the tv i would kiss you and hug you. thank you so much. host: good luck, elizabeth. joe is next in eastlake, ohio. caller: good morning. how are you doing today? host: good, thanks. joe? caller: i've been retired for over a decade now and i have thought about going back to work , but one of the reasons that i do not is with my background and what have -- what i have done in my life i would have a hard time putting up with the ignorance that i see every day working for somebody else that is nowhere near as qualified or experienced as i am. host: that can be tough, joe. what field are you in? caller: i was former military and national security working over -- in over 20 countries. host: have you decided to just not look anymore? are you going to stay out of the labor market? caller: pretty much. i spend some of my time doing charity work and promoting programs through some associations i belong with and otherwise i spend my time reading and trying to keep up on things, and i tell you it is frustrating. after everything i've seen in my life, in my opinion, americans are clueless. they have no idea what the real world is like and they live in a fog of stupidity. host: well stay positive, joe. speaking about the economy, senator roy blunt took the biden administration to task for spending -- for it spending including money from the american rescue plan. here's a portion from earlier this week. >> all you gotta do to find out the economy is a problem it go to the gas station or grocery store. most americans do that and do it a lot. and when gas prices go up, when food prices go up, every family knows it. what we are seeing now is inflation that i think it is eight point 5% and it may be settling in at 8.5% but wherever all it -- wherever it settles in, it was higher than it was at any time during the obama administration. the highest month in the obama administration, that is not a year average, that is the highest single month was 3.4%. under president trump, the high single month was 2.9%. we are now at 8.5% and the producer price index has been in double digits since december. that is usually assigned the other index is going to follow the double-digit scary number that is out there. so energy policies that produce exactly the result you would think they would, higher energy prices, spending policies. the american rescue plan, i thought at the time it was a final covid bill but when you look at the bill before we had a chance to vote on it and saw it, it really did not have much to do with covid. maybe 6% of the $1.9 trillion went to covid. the rest of it went to things that put money in people's pockets to help them recover in an economy that was already recovering. you cannot spend $1.9 trillion in short period of time, even in the biggest and most vibrant economy in the world and not drive up prices. host: that was senator roy blunt of missouri, talking about spending in the biden administration. we are taking your calls on what is your job situation. let's talk to lewis in stanton, virginia. what is your job situation? caller: good morning. my job situation is unemployed on march 2020 because i have fourth stage cancer but i'm a healthy cancer person. i'm not someone who is on ivs or something like that, god bless them, but i have cll and it is stable. so i lost my job and career, 59 years in mental health. i worked at a psychiatric unit in a hospital which i loved much , i really enjoyed being with individuals who are in need of counseling and a good counselor and doing group therapy. since that time i have been host: when i applied for work, nobody is responding back, though the market in the hospital field is wide open. i still get the responses. why do you think that is? caller: i think it is because of my age. i have been in the field for 59 years in mental health. i want to continue that journey. i do not know if there is discrimination there or not. i'm not sure but i do not want to go that route because i had a lot of respect for my fellow coworkers. i was formerly employed. i have always had respect throughout the field. however, i am unemployed now and i live here in virginia and i am currently seeking jobs aggressively, and unfortunately there seems to be nothing available. i do not know if there is a freeze on jobs or what is happening but i live on social security. i've gone through my savings, gone through my retirement since i've been out this 2020. i cannot collect unemployment, i am having a battle with them in virginia. it is a mess. host: have you thought about maybe switching fields to find a job in a different field? caller: i have thought about that. it has been a most recent thought. it is not something i have thought about for a long period of time because i was so dedicated to the feel of mental health. i started working with children with autism a long time ago and gradually worked up to becoming former director and supervisor, etc. i have had all my experience there and that is where my security lies, in my field of mental health. right now, they need me and i need them. mental health issues right now are on the rise. host: absolutely. caller: especially with the isolation withdraw from the covid situation and now the hardships people are going through with our ongoing falling apart of our economy and high prices of gas and food and things like that that you are aware of. yes. host: best of luck for you, louis. al is next in maryland. good morning, al. caller: good morning. how are you all? host: good. caller: i have been working for a supermarket chain for 40 years now and currently my average rate of pay is about $22 an hour and that is a union job. still, with that kind of hourly rate, it is very hard to pay for everything that you need to average pay for. host: did you work through the pandemic? caller: i sure did. i masked up, we were required to wear a mask, customers were required to wear a mask, got the vaccines, got both boosters, and i continued to wear a mask. host: all right. harry is next in georgia. harry. caller: good morning. host: good morning. caller: good morning c-span. good morning, everybody. i am a retired tool maker. i got retired in march 2020 when covid came around and i was at that time 69 is old. so i am right now retired, considering going back to work, and 71 right now. there are a lot of people out here trying to hire me, to makers down here get offered between $30 to $35 an hour right now. host: why are you thinking about going back? caller: just to earn a little money, you know, what with inflation and all. but i really wanted to say something about inflation. you just played roy blunt, senator blunt, talking about inflation. all of these senators understand macroeconomics, so they understand when a monetary or fiscal policy is obligated, it -- is propagated, it takes 18 months to start affect the economy. so any policy of joe biden's that came in when joe biden started as president is only just now starting to affect the economy. so up until about now, we have been living with the remnants of donald trump's economy. any macroeconomics -- economist -- macroeconomic economist will tell you that. i just wanted to get that in so people would understand. host: take a look at this article that says the great resignation is becoming a great midlife crisis. it is older, more tenured people that are increasingly quitting their jobs. it says higher paid workers are increasingly quitting their jobs as the great resignation, also known as the great reshuffle, enters its second year. earlier in the pandemic, the trend was led by younger, less tenured workers in low-paying industries like retail, food service, and health care. now the main growth and quit rate is coming from older more tenured workers in higher paid industries like finance, tachy, and other knowledge worker fields. that is accorded -- according to data from two separate data analytics companies. governor larry hogan of maryland, a republican, but in predominately heavily democratic state of maryland, he spoke about efforts to improve jobs and the economy in his state. [video clip] >> marilyn raised taxes 43 times in a row, we lost a thousand businesses and 100,000 jobs and a gallop poll came out that said 40% of all marylanders wanted to leave the state. i was a small businessman who never got elective office but i was fed up enough to try to do something about it. i could tell you not a soul believed it was remotely possible for a republican to win a blue state in america. but i ran an underfunded, underdog, grassroots campaign that focused on issues most people cared about, and we were able to build a big ten coalition of republicans, independents, and reagan democrats. i promised to get the government off of our backs and out of our pockets so we could grow our small businesses and put people back to work and turn our economy around. we pulled off the biggest surprise in america. then we did something that seems to rarely ever happen in politics, we actually did exactly what we said we would do, we changed the entire mission of state government to be pro-jobs and pro-businesses. we eliminated or rewrote thousands of job killing regulations. i was the only governor in america who got an overwhelmingly democratic legislature to cut taxes, and we did it a years in a row by $4.7 billion. we turn to 5.1 -- turned a 5.1 billion dollar deficit into the largest surplus in state history. we took our states overall economic performance from 49th out of 50 states to number six, one of the biggest economic turnarounds in america. host: we are asking you what is your job situation for about the next 10 minutes here on "washington journal", and bill is in florida. good morning, bill. what is your jobs situation? caller: my jobs a situation is likely -- luckily i am retired. i am not an economic expert, but if our president would look around and see all of the help wanted signs, he might catch on. he just might. the reason we see it is that he talks about unions and high paced deals and we are going to build products here so we build a cell phone for $20 and overseas they build the same one for two dollars. the president does not get it. the biggest problem is washington eunice opal workers union. when i walked around there, i'm telling you, it is terrible. and that filters out to the rest of the private enterprise. if this president was interested in jobs, he would stop talking union. i am familiar with the union between the teamsters and the longshoreman and i saw what activity was not there. somebody has got to recognize it to, but then he gave out this money and we have people sitting on the sidelines that belong in weight watchers. it is just not going to work. host: let's talk to karen next in littleton, new hampshire. good morning. caller: hi, good morning, and thank you for taking my call. i was calling to say i myself -- asking if i was retired, i said i had to go on disability and my point of saying this is that i agree with the last gentleman and the gentleman i believe who said he was in the military and maybe the secret service and said how he was disappointed and did not go back to work because of the fact people do not know how to work nowadays. i agree with both of them. i heard president biden speak this morning from yesterday saying the people who worked the hardest are union job people and i just want to say that is just an outright lie because of the fact i've had to work since i was 14 years old and my last job was 19 years of working construction and i had hands on, loved it, and got hurt badly in 1997 doing it. the fact being people are not being taught how to work from their parents and then they are given all of this money and i had to go on disability anyway because i had to have a fusion and five surgeries and i cannot get hired because the fact everybody says you will lose 40 pounds even at a dollar store and i can -- lift 40 pounds even at a dollar store, and i cannot lift more than 10. medicare, the disability is a farce. i wanted to go back to college. because of the fact they said where i live there was not any need where i'm living for me to go to college for what i wanted. i said well then i will go to college on my own and i will pay for it myself and they said if you do that, then you lose your disability and i said why? nothing is coming out of your pocket? my point with that is the fact the president is going to pay off all of these loans for people is not going to teach them anything. and i know people because i have nieces and nephews that went to colleges and they took out exactly every penny they could knowing exactly how to read what they were signing and did not care and other people were right that they have really good jobs now. host: are you still looking, are you still going to look for a job? caller: i guess i have tried and because of the fact of the five operations i had to have, my neck and bone shoulders have been done with fingers, and because of medicare, we have disability, because i'm on disability -- if i was retired and just on social security, i would not have a problem. host: let's talk to mary in littleton -- in philadelphia, pennsylvania. caller: good morning to you. -- good morning, c-span. i am a retired state worker from pennsylvania. 45 years i was employed. i did investigations for the state, and the pandemic disclosed to us that we had more unskilled workers because they were not in the union. people engaged in credential lying. the ones that stated they had the skills available to them and a lot of people were engaging in marijuana use. now you cannot have going to a person, for example, and he is on marijuana. so we need to be careful when we pass these laws in this country because it is not suitable for the average person and citizens in this country. we are getting people in from other countries that are unskilled, doing their own plumbing, electrical work, which is illegal. construction work. you know, you have to have a skill, licensed -- skilled, licensed person to do these jobs and if people are doing this on their own, it is illegal. so i want people to think about that. and once you're in the union, they always look at your credentials first. host: let's talk to earl in idaho. caller: good morning. i just had a suggestion to add to our listeners. we are looking at food shortages coming up in this country, and if you have not got a job, start some gardens or co-op with the people around you and provide for your communities and self employ yourselves in helping this country get -- stay and get back on its feet again is my thinking. host: all right, earl. nancy pelosi, speaker of the house, in axios is reporting she is going to be increasing the minimum salary for house staffers to $45,000. linda is next in lincoln, nebraska. hi, linda. caller: hi. thank you for taking my call. i have been retired for 16 years and i was forced out of work because i get the age of 60. i was supposed to work until 67, and of course i could not do that even with temporary work. i was 40 years in secretarial work, had my skills up for at least 20 to 30 years, and the minute i hit 60, that was it. even on a temporary level, at a point where they did not have anything for me to do, that was the end and i am at the very bottom of social security to live on, which is not even $1000 per month. this country is worried about everybody being discriminated against, but ageism is awful. once you're there, you are stuck and cannot do anything. i have had health issues now and there is no way i could go back into the working force, but it is really bad. host: best of luck to you, linda. reuters is reporting wall street ends down on fears inflation will force tougher fed tightening. it says that the major indexes were down and also the nasdaq has registered lowest closing level since 2020. let's talk to rick in new york. caller: how are you? host: i'm good, thanks. caller: i'm very fortunate. i'm retired, 69 years old. when i was young, i started 23 years in the military and then came out and spent 20 some years in the workforce. i am also on social security. we have a problem today with people not wanting to work. a good example is look at the other week there was a report about how many that just quit their jobs, 3% of their workforce just quit their jobs. it does not make sense. when you go in town and every other store has the signs up, starting 22 to $25 per hour, one of the problems as we have to give out -- stop giving out the freebies of people wanting to work. we have two generations of people that have become lazy and do not want to do anything. host: business insider is saying here is the headline, fewer americans were working or looking for work in april, and it means the labor shortage has no end and -- in sight. that is what we're looking for the job situation and we have got other things coming up for you. up next is jessica melugin. she is with the competitive enterprise institute and joins us for discussion on the department of homeland 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do social policy we just do economic issues. we talk about the idea of being accountable of the regulations and what effect they have on citizens and consumers. host: we are going to talk about the disinformation governance board and earlier this week, homeland security was on capitol hill and in addition to talking about border security they talked about the disinformation governance board. >> we are responding to something that is unknown and what we do know is that the disinformation coming from it, why should we not have suspicions? >> you mentioned that the department of state and the federal bureau of investigation already do this work. so does the department of homeland security. the department of security has been doing this work for years in addressing disinformation that poses a threat to our homeland whether it is russia or the cyber domain weather i it is the resources that fema provides in the wake of her natural disaster. whether it is addressing the smuggling organizations and their disinformation but to vulnerable migrants who receive this information and are goaded into coming to the border under false pretenses. that work has been underway for years and years. what this group is to do is to ensure that that work is performed in a way that is consistent with the law and does not infringe on the freedom of speech, right to privacy, civil rights. it will establish what should've been established years ago. standards, definitions, guidelines and policies. host: alright jessica, what you think of that? guest: the devil is in the details. those things are true in the consideration of civil liberties and the rights of the citizens will be respected in the process. getting safety information to getting migrants of the border, they have been told the wrong things it will cause problems to their health and safety on the way here. we don't want disinformation about if water is safe to drink or not. that is beyond objection to reasonable people. what we are talking about, or are we talking about the messier areas of free speech and is the government watching and flagging things that they perceive as unsafe things to say? that is a whole different can of worms. i think that is what you saw on the hill. the questions of what are we really talking about here? that is what we don't understand. we don't have that information that we received at the budget meeting. that is where the controversy lies. host: if you would like to ask are guest a question. for democrats that number is (202) 748-8000, for republicans (202) 748-8001 you can also text us at (202) 748-8003 but tell us your first name and state. homeland security put out a statement, it says that is the department is committed to doing all of its work in a way that protects americans freedom of speech, civil rights, civil liberties and privacy. in fact, the disinformation governance board is an internal working group that was established with the goal that these protections were incorporated in the work and safeguards are in place. what do you think of that jessica? do you trust them to put those rights him place? guest: i don't know if i should or not. the government does not always have the history of holding itself to the highest standard of telling the truth or protecting the civil liberties of citizens. this is congresses job. this is part of their oversight responsibility to make sure those standards are in place and being upheld. some follow-up from senators and congressmen would be the right idea. you are seeing calls to that on both sides. host: speaking of free speech, elon musk is trying to bide twitter and you were quoted in an article about that. you said that the deal will solve all free-speech problems or turned the social media platform into an unusable hell scape of content. guest: no one knows what he is going to do as a practical matter with twitter. i am not sure that elon musk knows that right now. the great news is, if he does a terrible job, that is confined to twitter and he can change his mind. and it is just on twitter there are a lot of other places to speak on line. that is a much better solution and way to experiment then a top-down government regulation solution. host: that will cover every body not just a social platform. guest: we are grindingly slow on purpose. my point was to say, no matter what elon musk says, a lot of people are upset with how things are being done often for opposite reasons. democrats are concerned that not enough dangerous information is being taken down while republicans feel that their information is being suppressed online. while there is not a political answer to this, he will probably shake it up and we have to see what happens. there can be good and bad outcomes and we will get better at this. social media is relatively new. people are learning how to deal with it as individuals and the companies are learning how to give people a version of what they want online. host: what do you think needs to be done to ensure transparency on the disinformation governance board? guest: i am not political strategist. i will say that this rollout seems so bungled. it is hard to see how they can salvage the necessary amount of trust that they will need from the american people to take the recommendations seriously. i think it should've been rolled out differently. homeland security secretary has said as much. we just weren't prepared for this reaction. i don't think they anticipated the blowback they got. and that hurt this boards chances of getting it done in a way that makes sense and accomplishes their stated goals. the appointment of the executive director also turning out to be a lightning rod for this controversy. she has expertise in this field, this is her specialty, she worked at the wilson center. i don't think anyone doubts or experience, but she has been on social media very vocal about her political slant on a lot of these issues. nothing against her, these issues are speech issues. it's hard to be objective about this. you have to take a hands-off approach. she has been seen as partisan to the left and that has stoked the concerns that people on the right that were word about this board and a less colorful choice may have been politically is due from the biden administration. host: let's take a look from that tweet from nina ja nkowiz. a huge focus of our work and the key reason the board was established was to protect free speech. privacy, civil rights, and civil liberties. let's hear from our callers. we have thomas from texas. caller: governor hogan, the republican. as far as disinformation, we had a fairness clause that said you could not say that. people in russia don't believe the war in ukraine is really going on. we have 6 million people who don't believe the joe biden's president and that is dangerous. reinstate the fairness clause and if it is the truth, put it on there. host: what you think? guest: you make a good point that there is not much consensus on a lot of these issues on social media. the most controversial things that we all want to talk about there is a magnet for that. and indisputable fact is not another's. another person's farce is another person skepticism. it is difficult to define, not just political speech, lots of things. even something such as black-and-white as scientific fact is controversial when you start speaking with someone about it. that is what is happening on social media right now. i can think of many examples, you pointed to the election. climate science issues and how to react to that situation is another. these are not settled facts. these are ongoing conversations with changing opinions and new information. it is hard if we were to insert the fairness doctrine, president reagan got rid of that because it had unintended consequences. that would be very difficult because of social media, it is not set up in the same way. and it would still have those unintended consequences. and then who decides what is fair? we operate as if there is a left and right version. there are shades of gray and nuances on these issues in deciding what is fair is difficult and it leads to this question which is at the heart of the governance board, deciding what is true or not. who is in charge of saying what is true or not? you really don't want anyone other than the individual in charge of deciding for themselves what is true or not. host: let's talk to anthony on the independent line in detroit, michigan. caller: i have always been against the department of homeland security because we will become the terrorists someday. she says that the job of this is to protect free speech but secretary mayorkas says it is to put accurate info about the dhs. why can't they just put out a press release? we don't need the department of homeland security and i would like to say -- disinformation's origins are slightly less atrocious. host: did you write that yourself? guest: the department of homeland security has had their skeptics and what started out as concerns about the national security from outside of our country would have some blurry lines and this has come up in other contexts that if you listen to calls that the u.s. citizen would get caught up in the information week. there were worthy concerns and the roles of congress is to take and responsibilities seriously. there is a lot of power in the department of homeland security and they do a lot of great work. there is always this overreach there, you have to be mindful of the civil liberties of our citizens and it is of paramount importance. host: the washington post had an editorial about this. we are talking about the disinformation governance board and this is what they said in the post. the board works as a coordination between the dhs that poses threats to domestic security. done right, this is a useful function. sec. mayorkas talked about smugglers that talk to people about coming to the united states. what the board is not asked to do is to establish what is true and what is false. or to push internet services or to who to rely on. is this just hysteria, jessica? guest: depending on what the board is going to do it is or it is not. clarifying the border policy of the u.s. government. i don't think anyone has any problem with that. host: what is the best way to counter disinformation online? guest: i think this has to be something that the individual takes on as personal responsibility. host: you don't see your role for government? guest: it is right there in the first amendment. congress shall make no laws against free speech. they have no magical powers when they are sworn in. you can be misleading, if you believe in your heart of hearts that you know the answer, that is still not enough. our whole motto is that free speech is best protected by more speech. the only thing i think pushes out bad speech is good speech. the central premise of this whole country is that we are endowed with our right to pick our own leaders. if what we say is that we are not capable of discerning the truth, that has real implication of are we now capable of picking our leaders? there is a logic problem there. it is messy and problematic sometimes, but ultimately, the best and only true way forward is that we have to hash this out as citizens and we have to be savvy and we have to take the time to be skeptical and think about the source that we are listening to. neither should anyone tech company b. what we really want is competing ideas, competing platforms. different politicians arguing, different newspaper editorials making their case for their positions. it is up to the individual to sort through that. you are free to do that. you live in a society where that is your responsibility and privilege. that means that we will disagree with each other but we do that and a civil, respectful way and it makes us all better and smarter because we are having those conversations. host: let's talk to oliver in virginia on the independent line. guest: good morning can you hear me? caller: good morning to you and the guests. i would like to say that it is worrisome that jessica would be on television and say -- and talk about disinformation and it sounds like she is a trump supporter. i would like to say that trump is the most dangerous man who has ever led this country. it is amazing that conservatives like her would stand by and let trump lied to the american people for 40 years. he told out pardons. he is being investigated all over the country and conservatives kept quiet. they kept quiet while he is breaking the law and keep supporting him. it is amazing that jessica would get on and talk about misinformation. host: let's get a response from jessica then. guest: i understand your concerns, these are important issues. i wish everybody was concerned about the stuff as you clearly are. i defend both sides of the aisle to say what they like and i also defend our rights to not believe it. i may be more of an accord with you then you think. that is not because of social media forms, that is because of human nature. like i was saying, it is our job to inform your own opinion, not just the conservative side of media. the social media platforms are another traffic lane for that information. it is a net positive but it is our responsibility to stay skeptical and that is great. host: david is up next on the republican line. caller: i don't remember the last time a conservative spoke at a college campus without being shut down. it is a one-way street. i totally agree with the guests, the government can't have the responsibility, your own biased opinion is guaranteed to get in the way. the biggest laugh has been that it just seems to get more ironic , no one in government has spewed more lies than sec. mayorkas. to say there was no crisis of the border, the administration did everything it could to undo policies that were working. it didn't matter what they were saying about migrants being returned when the actions were clearly working. the government was actually providing disinformation by saying that you would not be allowed to stay, when last year they allowed in then in the year 2000. host: sec. mayorkas was saying that he did not want people coming to the border because of misinformation. guest: our caller makes a point about having the fox running the henhouse. like he was saying, the government is notorious providing disinformation. whether they were mistaken in this situation has changed, or there were political motivations for shading it a certain way. on both sides of the aisle, to put someone in charge of flagging disinformation is a problem. this is something that congress should be watching agency to make sure they are setting the record straight. the facts align with what they are saying. that is a different dynamic than a governance board that is in charge of flagging disinformation. there is a role for that lie clarifying during natural disasters. the federal government is not the only source of information. we have media, there are lots of other ways that an individual can get the full picture for themselves. weapons of mass destruction, or you can keep your health care plan, there are no lack of examples on either side. i can make a case on the left or right for disinformation. the only way to deal with that in a free or open society is to debated and argue it and tested to see if it is true or not. that can't come from a top-down agency that has to come with an exchange of ideas. host: let's go to jim from tucker, georgia. caller: thank you for taking my call. i was happy to hear you say to talk about the personal responsibility that civil liberty affords us and i think that is something we need to talk a lot more about and it does not seem to get the coverage that i think deserves because it doesn't sell commercials for the network. i was happy to hear you say that. let me back up and say, at the federal level, the federal agencies do a pretty good job of protecting our civil leverett liberties. all of the trouble at the border, i think we have some leaders from previous generations that have done a disservice, especially dulles, he did not do us any favors by having guatemala overthrown. that is a whole another issue. aside from some people that do not service well, we have had good leaders of the federal level, a lot of this stuff is not federally driven. there are a lot of problems of the local levels, a lot of the stuff is politically driven where it is like a money machine. there is a city in de kalb county that is writing citations because the grass is too high. host: let's get a response. guest: i think there are layers. but every layer, local, state, you can call c-span and say whatever you want about it. no one is fact checking you. that is part of the great debate. i hope that all americans want that exchange of ideas. how we sort through things, and that is what should be happening. the concerns of homeland security is that it would be an impediment to this process. i do think that is the concern. host: tim is next in wisconsin on the democrat line. caller: thank you for taking my call. i would say that i don't really understand the media channel, the cable channels and radio channels, most of them people get their news from the right wing radio stations and certain news channels that have propaganda. i am 65 years old and that is where people get their information. that is why there a lot of elderly people, they get their news from radio stations or tv channels that i talked to. host: what do you think jessica? guest: the social media platforms have gotten a lot of attention. it is not the only source of news. for so many people, that is not their main source of news. radio is a perfect example of that as our cable news channels. i hope what we will see on social media platforms, if you believe, as most people might, cnn was tilted to the left. the solution was not to make it perfectly objective. the option was fox news. more and more options have proliferated. i hope that is the kind of thing we will see with elon musk buying twitter. all the cable channels and news channels, c-span, a wonderful source of information. all of these channels, are designed to let the individual come to their own conclusion and that is the process that people are protective of. host: do you think countering disinformation has become too partisan on both sides? it is a good goal, nobody wants there to be lies out there. guest: it is a politicized issue. free speech is not for the faint of heart. protecting the most outrageous speech is the hallmark of a free and open society. it is a very unpopular thing to do. there is a whole bunch of speech that we referred to as awful debacle. host: there is awful but there is also disinformation which i considered to be different than having an extreme view. guest: depending on who you ask, there is the rub. if you make the connection that this is not true. ok, if you say it, it is not true. there is not an inherent harm in that. that is where it gets very messy. you have to connect it to something en masse for. it is best to air on the side of that to roam around on the internet or radio waves until somebody makes a reasonable argument against it. it is about who is in charge of settling. and when it becomes dangerous. host: let's go to bob on the independent line. caller: i have one observation. big brother is watching. that is all i have to say. i hope you know what that means. host: the mention of the orwellian big brother. guest: how it was rolled out brought to my mind the ministry of truth and george orwell's 1984. that is the worst case scenario. i don't know if it is accurate yet, they say that it is not. i hope that is the case. i think there needs to be more oversight and a closer look out what they are actually going to do there. they say we don't have any authority to do anything but we are just coordinating groups. but that means you are coordinating groups that actually do have authority to do things. what role does government play in free-speech issues? host: there is also the acronym, that sounds like kgb. guest: there isn't great marketing on this. host: let's talk to randall in fairbanks, alaska. caller: hi, how are you doing? host: good. caller: i called because i heard a gentleman and talk to jessica and tell her that she was slanted to trump-like opinion and i just wanted to say that she sounded very open-minded and she was serving of both sides as far as i was concerned. what i really wanted to say is that i keep hearing the government. i know there are a lot of people who are down on the government. we need our government. and there are a lot of people who need the government on their side. if it is not the government than is it the big business? then big business then becomes your government? big business becomes the one who make sure that things get taken care of. a positive note about joe biden, what is going on at the border, it happened to reagan. the economy was the same in the reagan administration and everybody is so willing to throw stones at joe biden but the economic process is the same as reagan's was. guest: there are a lot of parallels. as far as government being in charge, as far as free-speech, it is really important that there are guardrails up in both areas. it is important to clarify how that works. the first amendment means the government can't abridge our free speech. it does not mean that we have a right to speak on property. i can't throw political rally in your living room without your permission, i can't say whatever i want on facebook and twitter because as it feels like the public square it is not actually the public square it is private property and that is part of our larger conversation. i think the differences with the government coming and making rules about that, that is the law of the land and that is much more repressive than individual platforms making the rules. you have options as a citizens and you have an exit if you don't like what twitter is doing. there are options for you to speak elsewhere and that is a great development because right now, if you look at the most popular sites on facebook conservative pages dominate on facebook. the top 10 facebook sites are eight out of 10 conservatives. you never hear about the left, the perception from the right is that they feel discriminated against. i'm not sure the facts bear that out and the left also feels discriminated against and that is human nature. you feel the burn more than you feel the advantage. it is not perfect in the marketplace and we are not there yet. we are working it out. there are more options for everyone. democrats and republicans will tell you that they are not happy about social media right now. host: section 230 and efforts to repeal it. remind us what that is and whether you support that? guest: it was a bipartisan part of legislation written about congressman chris cox and they hashed it out because there was a disagreement about how the legal system would treat third-party content. facebook was not a thing on 1996. this law was made before the platforms existed. the question was, who is legally responsible for the speech -- i put something on facebook, is facebook responsible or mi responsible? here's the boring legal explanation. that is still true for facebook. they are still not responsible. it does not make them in the legal category as a publisher responsible for what they print. the explosion of these platforms, these third-party posters, as much as people feel upset by moderators, more people are speaking more often than has ever been. that is how section 230 works it builds on the first amendment. the reason why platforms can take down, they have their own free-speech rights. you can't be forced to carry speech if you don't want to. that is what allows them to take it down. it speeds up the whole process and says, these platforms don't have to go through litigation when someone gets mad at them for something someone says on their platform. it is a lightning rod, republicans feel that conservatives have too much content taken down. many on the left feel that what is said has dangerous consequences. host: jessica, thank you so much for being with this. guest: it was my pleasure. host: next, more of your cause on open forum. you can start calling you now and we will talk to you after the break. later, is our podcast segment. we will be joined by phillips. we will be right back. book tv every sunday on c-span features leading authors discussing their latest nonfiction books. from the energy conference debates and discussions on climate change with the author -- natural gas, not less. introduction to moderate climate change. in the author of false alarm, how it hurts the poor. and afterwards, her first-hand account of the trump 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(202) 748-8000 democrats can call republicans (202) 748-8001 and independence on (202) 748-8002 you can also text us on (202) 748-8003 but send us your name and state. the associated press is reporting that a judge finds representative marjorie taylor green is qualified for the election. the georgia secretary of state makes the final decision. this was based on a lawsuit alleging that because she was involved with the january 6 insurrection she would not be qualified to run for reelection. also, president trump held a rally and this is from the pittsburgh post-gazette, trump takes the stage with the mixed review of dr. oz. if republicans want anything more than an endorsement it is an un-endorsement. he railed into dave mccormick who spent millions on ads against mamet odds. z. you can also take a look on at c-span now. let's talk to richard on north carolina on the independent line. caller: can anybody tell me what disinformation republicans have put out in the last four years? host: you don't think they have put out any disinformation? caller: can anybody tell me what it is? i can tell you what the democrats have put out but can you tell me what the republicans of put out? russia gate, everything they have said has been alive. host: dr. mamet oz, mike pompeo cause him a security threat over turkey ties. mike pompeo alleged that security candidate dr. oz may be a security threat if he is elected to office. he secured the endorsement of donald trump but trump administration veterans backed david mccormick. mike pompeo, former cia director , dr. oz must explain his relationship with turkey's government. he has elected and turkeys elections. . ken is next. caller: i really appreciate the show. this is in regards to the department of truth. i remember, i like to listen to both sides of the story and i will decide in the middle what i believe is the truth. i don't need the government or any agency to say, this is the truth and disregard the rest. america needs to hear both sides. we don't need a government bureaucracy to do that. please stop this nonsense and let the american people hear both sides. host: alright 10. kathleen is next from navasota, texas. caller: i was just calling to ask how come democrats and republicans are fighting so much against themselves and nobody is listening. they don't care. they can't remember what they said last week, a year ago. they need to stop fighting inwards together. how will they work together if they don't listen to each other. it doesn't make any sense. we are americans all of us. we need to speak together like americans and work the other stuff out and work together. and make no sense, work together. host: chuck is next in taylor, michigan. caller: hello? host: go ahead chuck. caller: do you think it is a coincidence that this board for the truth that was created right when elon musk bought twitter? do you think that is a coincidence? host: i take it that you don't think it was a coincidence. caller: i think the democrats got twitter taken away and then all of a sudden they got concerned about truth. host: alright chuck. let's take a look at the front page of the new york times. it says the steering\the gop is quiet on abortion. republicans have spent decades attacking the landmark decision that legalized abortion nationwide but with the overturning of roe v. wade part of a bid to avoid a backlash against their party ahead of the midterm election. i wonder what you think about that. mike is up next, sorry, hold on mike, go ahead mike. i hit the wrong line but go ahead. caller: i, the last minute of the young lady you are interviewing. i want to know why government officials, mainly democrats cannot go through an interview without laughing. everything is funny to them. what you hear on this information, it is not a laughing matter. how they can appoint somebody that is so wrong? host: cornelius is next from alabama. caller: i love the way that you don't take a stand on anything. i have been enjoying the show. i know that i can't get on for the next day so i want to wish everybody a happy mother's day and happy mother's day to you whether you are a mother or not. i want to bring up to the callers and listeners, there is a a man named abraham bolden and he worked for president kennedy. he just got parted this past tuesday, the tuesday before last. i wish that people would look into this guy. he has come up with things, with plots to try to kill kennedy and stuff and the people then they said, we will get you for bribery and stuff like that. this guy would be good for book tv or even washington journal to interview and everything. for 60 years he has been trying to fight to get his pardon. he is 84 years old now. he was in usa today two weeks ago and he was in the chicago tribune. and maybe get to the pardon people on. i really enjoy you. host: here's the front page of the washington post about what is going on in ukraine. the headline says pentagon reveals bolstered arsenal. ukraine gets more drones and rockets. the pentagon is expanding delivery of commercially available weapons and military equipment to ukraine. all hundred 36 million in purchases of drones, rockets, binoculars and other items set for shipment to. it will be purchased from u.s. companies they represent a separate category of equipment separate from other armaments set for delivery to ukraine. let's go to ingrid in florida. caller: i would also like to say a happy mother's day. i am calling because i am 72 years old and i remember, people are talking about the depression and the prices and everything. don't they remember under reagan, there were gas lines. my husband and i bought a home in the interest rate was 12%. i think it is 8% now. i remember gas lines and he led immigrants in and they voted him in twice. the hypocrisy on the republican side is laughable. talk about democrats laughing, no wonder we are laughing. thank you. host: kathleen is next on the republican line. caller: i have not heard aside about the abortion issue, with the exception of rape. because these ladies are saying it is my body and i can do what i want with it. i don't think anybody is denying them the ability to have an abortion if they wanted. i think it should be treated as an elective and they should be able to pay for it. what i resent is that people feel they have the right to make me pay for their decision that results in something they don't want and they say to me that i have to pay for it. if they want to do that, i can agree that they can go and do it but they have to be able to pay for it. thank you for listening. host: randall is next in chevy chase, maryland. caller: i wanted to bring up the role of the media with the respect of the coverage in ukraine. after watching the cable coverage, my feeling is that there has been great reporting from the correspondents in ukraine on the details of the war but i feel the media and the pendants are not sure how to classify and have done a poor job in asking fundamental questions about the war and that could lead us into an escalation that could lead us into a confrontation with russia. host: what questions are they not asking? caller: on washington journal a week ago, a caller brought up a question asked about how much they are giving to ukraine. they asked how much are other countries giving to ukraine. i have never heard a journalist raise this question. they pulled up a chart and it was amazing to see, this was a two-month. where the u.s. had given for billion-dollar in the next country was 200 million. the overwhelming amount of aid is coming from the u.s., far more than all the other countries combined. journalists have never thought to ask that question. the even more fundamental question, why does nato continue to exist after the fall of the soviet union, what are the actual goals? this lack of fundamental questions is doing a disservice and we can see that things are moving towards an escalation and i don't think we have the kind of details -- it is not just about the war, i think it is across the board. i am talking about all the cable stations, i am not just thinking left to right. host: let's talk to jean in illinois. caller: thank you for taking my call. most of the callers have expressed their concerns that we cannot work together. we need to sit down at one table. we need a better candidate from the gop side. president trump had his opportunity and it is over. we have senator tom cotton, a great leader. we are going to give $8 billion to fight greenhouse gases, let's give it back to the people that need it. host: janet is calling from illinois on the democrat mine. caller: there was an investigation into ruth bader ginsburg. i believe it was convenient that six weeks before the election, donald trump gets to name another position on the supreme court. it is very possible that someone could've come in under its construction and pull the plug on her just to have her out of the way immediately. i know it sounds ridiculous, but donald trump would try anything. the republicans enjoy hating the democrats. they watch fox news, not because they want to get the news but because they want to get the news to make the democrats look bad. these are pathetic people that have been listening to rush limbaugh. host: let's talk to road from north carolina on the republican line. caller: you asked about the disinformation from the democrats. let me give you a list. the denial by clayton that they rigged clinton. the denial of the russian uranium sales. the denial of covid made under dr. fauci and north carolina. then there is the denial of play acting the covid release. then the denial of the hunter biden selling cobalt. then there is the denial -- the bio labs in ukraine that is the real reason for russia's anger. host: on the washington post, the rejection is part of the biden's administration pitch for vaccine and treatment funds. the article says that the biden administration is warning that the u.s. could see 100 million infections and a significant wave of death driven by subvariants that have shown an ability to escape immunity. the projection made yesterday during a briefing as we approach a death toll of one million is a broader push to improve readiness as lawmakers appropriate funds to purchase vaccines and their punic's. it is open for -- therapeutics. this is thomas on the independent line. caller: the republicans ran with the lie that the election was stolen. look what the big lie did. the secretary of state changed all the rules and now the election is rigged now on the next election. that is what this big lie did. that is all i have to say. host: next we have mary from louisiana. caller: ok now. i am 76 years old. when i went to schools, schools were not integrated. i am fixing to tell the truth because the truth about slavery is not being told. i went back to 1619 when the first slave ship landed and martin luther king was not a democrat. i was a democrat for years. it was black folks that had slaves themselves. i saw pictures, there were some american indians that own slaves. and i need to tell white people something. you need to stop being so scared to be called a racist. you tell them, you don't get to determine who you are. you have people tearing down statues. they use that term to be to over the head. host: that is the last call for this segment and open forum. coming up next is our weekly spotlight on podcast segment. we will be joined by democracy in action post. host. >> american history tv. journalist jeffrey frankel looks at the presidency of harry truman and the dropping of the nuclear bomb. then, a college professor teaches the class about the mexican american war. the author james k during the mexican-american war. watch american history tv every weekend and find a full schedule on your program guide or watch online any time on c-span.org/history. c-span has unfiltered coverage of the russian invasion of ukraine. we also have international perspectives from the united nations and statements from foreign leaders. the c-span now mobile app and c-span.org/ukraine. our web resource page where you can watch videos on demand and follow tweets from journalist on the ground. go to c-span.org/ukraine. c-span's the weekly podcast brings you more than 40 years of audio recordings from our video library comparing the events of the past today. politico reported on a leak of the supreme court decision on a abortion case that poses a challenge to roe v. wade. on this episode of the podcast, hear how current members answer questions about roe v. wade during their confirmation hearings. >> john roberts said that roe v. wade is the settled law of the land, do you believe that it is the settled law of the land? >> roe v. wade is an important president of the court. it was decided in 1973. it has been challenged on a number of occasions and i discussed this yesterday, the supreme court has reaffirmed the decision. >> the court's ruling about the right of privacy as the basis of roe v. wade. >> the court's decision reaffirmed the foundation of roe v. wade. you can find the weekly on c-span now our free video app or wherever you get your podcast. there are a lot of places to get political coverage but only on c-span do you get it free from the source. no matter where you are from, where you stand on the issues, c-span is america's network. unfiltered, unbiased, word for word. it could happen here, or here, or anywhere that matters. america is watching on c-span. powered by cable. washington journal continues. host: it is our weekly spotlight on podcast with the host of democracy and color steve phillips. guest: it's great to be here. host: tell us about democracy and color and what is the mission? guest: every episode, it is about politics and what that means we provide news and analysis about politics and race conscious perspective you can't properly understand politics without putting in the context of a centuries long struggle. there is a multiracial divide of democracy, we believe it is an animating feature of u.s. politics is the struggle of the identity that drives much of conservative politics that are afraid to talk about. we provide news, analysis, information and the podcast every other week. we will be on next week. host: if you would like to give us a call and talk to our guest you are free to give us a call democrats can call us at (202) 748-8000, republicans (202) 748-8001 and independence (202) 748-8002. host: we believe that too many people in leadership in the progressive movement are bad at math. they represent a new american majority. a meaningful minority of whites, together that is majority of people. they reelected obama, they are driving politics in this country. i wrote about it in my first book because i was struggling to understand why obama won and there was too little appreciation for these dynamics and that is what let us to create the podcast which has been running since 2019. host: you mentioned your book, and your latest book is "how we win the civil war." host: people still don't get the mac. in this newest book, there are two parts, the confederates never stopped playing. i didn't even know the background of lincoln's assassination. we don't know how and why he was assassinated. he was assassinated by the confederates. the confederates never stopped fighting. they wanted to overthrow reconstruction and reinstate white supremacy. that is the first half of the book, the actual civil war has never actually ended. the second part is how we win. we look at places we have one georgia, arizona, harris county taxes. conservative places that have gone from red to purple or sometimes red to blue. that is what we lift up in the book. host: you wrote a piece in the "guardian," what are you saying there? host: just 18 months ago they won the white house, they flipped congress, flipped the senate with historic turnouts in georgia. they don't believe that the majority of people share their opinions. on the others, we have this conservative backless that this is fundamentally a country for straight, white males and other people can be in it but it is fundamentally them. and everyone who is not that is coming under attack. the democrats are afraid to engage that because they are afraid they will lose. but i argue that is not correct. biden should lead into this fact. he should host a we say day conference and celebrate the lgbtq community. she should go to taxes and read of banned book, for read toni morrison's bluest eye. he should hold the summit around reproductive rights. you have too much silence and timidity and it results in a lack of enthusiasm. the key to winning is enthusiasm and a high level of participation of the american majority. host: let me ask you about black voters and what you think democrats should do to get those voters to the polls. what issues they should focus on. host: fundamentally, the reality, this gets back to the civil war never ended. there is a profound racial wealth gap in this country. the notion of economic equality is key. there is this whole debate on whether they should forgive student loans that is out there. if they took more bold action towards promoting economic equality such as forgiving student debt, you did not have to take this much debt to get a college education. that is a function of reagan's work to make higher education less accessible. college should actually be free and available to people. there is this whole issue around democracy and that this voter suppression for bidding people from voting. there are attacks from the right around critical race theory, you need to understand the full history of this country which does include a history which has not been a democracy because they banned a large segment of the population from voting. embrace that we are a multicultural nation through education, economic justice, lean into that is what i am advocating and that is how you inspire enthusiasm from african-american voters. host: we are receiving calls from our viewers. mark is from pennsylvania. guest: this guy is a political hack. he can say all he wants to divide but all i have to say is that in the midterms, you will see the american people uprise. see what happens. you are living in a fantasy land. there were some problems back in the past. all you are doing is dividing. you can keep spewing your spiel. host: that is an important point, i don't think many progressives understand. what we lay out in our podcast and in our writing is there is a new american majority in our country. it is quantifiable through obama's election, through biden's election, it is roughly the ratio of three quarters of people of color and 35 to 45% of people of whites. that is the majority of people in this country. the majority of people that gave more votes to hillary clinton than trump. the question in the midterms is the majority going to come back in the midterms? if the democrats do not win in the midterms it is because they did not inspire their people to come out and vote. every presidential election since 1992 with the exception of 2004, the popular vote has been won by the democrats. there is a multiracial majority which is why the right wing response is fundamentally about suppressing democracy. that is the only way that the right wing can prevail because they cannot command majority support. host: let's talk to mike in houston, texas on the republican line. caller: there will be 0% of conversation about black fathers and the value of fathers. because it doesn't matter. he can talk about equality all he wants. you know what matters? ideas. you know what else matters? fathers. i ask anybody listening right now, what has their father meant to them? fathers matter. covenant house houses 18 to 21 years old because they don't have fathers. 61% are black and they have fathers who don't even know the color of their eyes. host: we got your point, steve, what you think? host: my 90-year-old father lives in houston. i appreciate you talking about fathers. there is a lack of appreciation that we look at defects and not causes. we have a situation, and the history of this country where we have people who were brought from another country, another continent, placed in slavery held in bondage and you have 10 years of attempted reconstruction against great resistance. you had 100 years of legal, racial exploitation. and then when you have things like the new deal, things like the g.i. bill where they handed out money to a quarter of the population, they explicitly reserve that for white people. when people like my father could not buy a home in ohio because a white family would not sell it to him. we had to get a white lawyer to buy the house and sell it to my parents and that house gained equity that my family could use to send me to higher education. when most people don't have that opportunity, when you don't have resources, when you have a profound racial wealth gap. and when you have a hostile education system, poor housing, hostile law enforcement community. those are conditions that any family, any father will have difficulty navigating. on the flipside of this point, the tenacity, the strength in the space of all of that is something that is far too little appreciated within this country. i can take everything he is saying and flip it on its head. black people are the most family oriented, loving and to nation. host: jane and high point, north carolina. caller: this is unreal. the republicans are not being racist. the democrat party, they owned the kkk and they shot our president in 1864 and also eisenhower when he was in office he demanded that reconstruction happen and he wanted the schools desegregated. the democrats did not want that. host: let's get a response. some history there. host: that is an interesting point and a confusing point for people to understand when they look at the labels of the party. the confederates were democrats. the people who went to war against this country, the people who went to defend slavery were democrats. the republican party was created as the anti-slavery party and people don't even realize, i started writing my book around the origins of the civil war, the confederates could not accept the outcome of the 1860 election. very similar to the way people can not accept the elections of 2020. what happened in the 50's and 60's, as the democrats made steps toward embracing people of color, that this is a multiracial democracy, then white people fled to the republican party. the driving fuel and force of that party is white racial fear and resentment and i wrote a huge article about tucker karlsson and fox and how he serves white nationalism with his television show. that goes back throughout the history of this country. gone with the wind, birth of a nation, those films are all about celebrating the confederacy. white nationalism has been fundamental to this country in the fight about critical race theory is about the identity of this country, are we a multiracial democracy or are we straight white male christian nation where other people are allowed to exist? host: let's get another caller in. larry on the republican line. caller: what i was can ask, what i want to know when abraham lincoln the south was working well, the democrats got control and it was all under the table deals. i have a lot of democrat friends and we can agree to disagree. you can't do that now these days. the media and the liberal book writers, they tell half truths. in north carolina, 1898, they had a democrat who where they ran people out of town. if it had been a republican man they would've said the republican party. biden himself said he did not want his kids to grow up in a jungle in the majority of the democrats pacify blacks by promising this and promising that. host: let's get a response. guest: the fight over who we are as this country, it is not partisan. the racial shame is bipartisan. that is one of the realities. there is a lot of sensitivity when you address directly the realities of racism. i want to make the point that there is a new american majority. it used to be illegal for a person of color to become a u.s. citizen. a free, white person. there is a meaningful minority of white people who are progressive and who have stood for, and fought for racial equality. with the demographic shift of people of color, that is the demographic we are focused on in order to bring those communities into the political process. what we are proposing and what we do with our podcast is that those communities embracing ways to change this country and make it a better place. host: let's go to the democrat side. caller: i have never read your book and the problem is this. we only hear as americans what we want to hear. you are spouting facts. up until the insurrection and the events of february 6 if you look at the system of events you are stating things like well, the majority that developed from our minorities, while that is just numbers. people want to argue that but you can't argue facts. people come on and say things about fathers. i loved the retort that your father was in that same city. it would be opportunistic for me to seek free education. as for people seeking a higher education degree, it would be great for me not to have to pay off my debt. i am not going to complain, continue to distill your information. for all the people who are not as receptive as i am. you might want to bring bulletin boards so they can't dispute them any longer. these americans need to hear. you are doing a great job. have a great day. guest: the whole first part of the book are just acts and the efforts to squash and deny it becoming a multiracial democracy. the conclusion, the epilogue is called a new social contract and i argue that the contract that we have is a series of compromises with white nationalist and what we can get them to agree to. what if we step back, what kind of fight do we want to have? what if we invest in everyone across the whole spectrum and let their talents flourish rather than being driven by suspicion, and half measures? if we did so we would invest in people, we would provide education, we would make economic loans and grants available to people. right now, we are driven by fear and suspicion and that does tieback to that question around what is the identity of the country. host: let's talk now to dottie on the democrats line. let's talk to may on the independent line. guest: martin luther king's father was a republican. when you're talking about history, get it together and get it right. when we talk about our history, you are progressive on certain things and then on some things you are not. we saw on january 6, we need to wake up. are we going to be in a country together and share or weakened to be in a country together where somebody else rules. guest: i appreciate the reference to dixiecrat's. strom thurmond who was a senator and their predecessors senator lindsey graham was a democrat. he ran as an explicit segregationist platform and he flipped in 1960 and helped lead the exodus of whites out of the democrat party into the republicans. that helps people better understand the change in the composition of the party. host: next we have a call on the democrats line. guest: your book is exactly what i have been telling my wife and other people, the civil war has never ended and most of the states that want to outlaw abortion and voting rights are former confederate states. the other thing that i noticed, i am the son of a jazz musician. i grew up around multiracial people. i never understood racism but it occurred to me when i heard you talk and people calling in, it feels like they are upset by an intelligent like man being there and they are criticizing you, what are they angry about? why would they want to take those rights away from other people and i am looking forward to getting your book. guest: one of the people i reference frequently in my book was isabel wilkerson and she talks about we are all actors on a stage that was built long before we arrived. the roles are reserved, we know who plays the leading role, who is the hero and two is the side part. the role of who is the intelligent person, who was the leader is usually reserved for white men. there is a reason why every president has been a man. that role is usually reserved for white men. it is not reserved for black women, it is not reserved for latinos or asians. when people encounter people who come from a different background to be in one of these roles, like when someone says idris elba should be james bond. what a leader looks like, or an entrepreneur looks like? these people created organizations from scratch. they built them into multi- millionaire organizations. that is part of the dynamic that we are dealing with. host: you mentioned black women in leadership and we have a new court justice, what do you think is the significance of that? guest: one of the thing that i was saying on that, there are so many talented people that deserve, rose sanders and she came to speak and she said we did not get into these institutions because we weren't smart. can you say in the entire history of this country that someone was not smart enough to be on the supreme court? the problem was our perception of talent and what talent looks like. the implications that talent comes in all colors and to my point, it inspired people. when you move towards equality and justice, the majority of people do support that. host: let's talk to walter from indiana on the republican line. guest: i am an old man and i have done a lot of things. i served in the military and i have come to an epiphany in my life and this is what it is. we as individual, we are all children of god. tragedies and bad things have happened to millions of people up to now, here's what we want to do. do we want to be victims? do we want to make money and stir the pot of racial divide? or do we want to say each individual is responsible for its her actions? and there is a latin phrase means love your struggle. i was side-by-side with mixes of everything and we had one purpose. wouldn't it be a wonderful world if all of the race baiters that none of this mattered, did we make the world better? did we love our fellow man? a lot of people would be out of work. i pop on the tv and there is this, the right wing saying this. host: go ahead steve. guest: the heart is the final frontier. the ultimate agenda is that we can all be together. you have to look at the current reality and how that came to be in the inequality in our society is not individual failing. the function of governmental policy and systemic action. there was a study on resumes where you had the same resume that had a black name put on it in a white name put on it. the white name scott moore callbacks for interviews. -- the white name. more callbacks for interviews. until we address that, we are not going to be able to have the love-based society that we want to see. host: let's talk to perry in florida on the independent line. guest: there was a call about fathers and they hit the nail on the head. i have seen the advancement of the black we have been racially divided years, for thousands of years. the main thing that i see between that and myself is family pride. many years ago, i did not see that family pride as much as today, which i enjoy to see more black families having that pride. but i still feel that they, the blacks, have an unusual amount of families that are not led by fathers, therefore, the children do not grow up with that pride and want to do things and grow. host: let's get a response. steve, do you have anything to add to that subject? guest: i agree with the premise in terms of the point that the resilience, strength, love, connection of the families in the black community is remarkable and has been a fundamental feature of this country. how do you hold together your family relationships when your child is literally being taken out of your arms and sold to another family? which is the history of this country. in the face of that, to have a community that has persevered and has maintained family connections to the best they can in this system and country that has been hostile to the very existence is a real testament to the strength of the black families in this country. host: we will take one more call from pamela in maryland. caller: good morning and thank you for taking my call. steve, i want to say thank you. thank you for the facts and the information and speaking truth to power about the founding of this country and how we as black people are resilient in spite of everything. i'm going out and buying your books, both of them, and i listening to your podcast. please, can you give us the information again? guest: podcast is "democracy in color" and is that democracyincolor.com. host: thank you so much for being on the program. he is the host of "democracy in color" podcast. guest: thank you so much for having me on. host: we are going to be back again tomorrow at 7:00 eastern time. happy early mother's day to all of the moms. 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