defense bill. [captioning performed by the. national captioning institute,. which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] >> we're just waiting for the house to gavel in. today they're going to be considering short-term government spending legislation that would prevent a government shutdown on september 30. the house also considering today the $768 billion defense programs and policy bill and later this week, a bill prohibiting states from enacting certain restrictions on abortion providers. waiting for the house to gavel back in for a live session here on c-span. or join us on faceboo, instagram, and twitter. we will get to your thoughts in a minute. let's begin with the situation at the border. the homeland security secretary yesterday discussed sites where they are forming camps on the international bridge. here is what he had to say to those crossing, thinking they would make the journey. [video clip] >> we have directed appropriate agencies to provide assistance and some work. the majority of migrants continue to be expelled under the cdc authority. those that cannot be expelled under the authority and do not have a legal basis to remain will be placed in expedited removal proceedings. dhs is conducting regular flights to haiti, mexico, ecuador, and northern triangle countries. we are very concerned. the haitians taking this irregular path are receiving false information that the border is open or that temporary status is available and i want to make sure that it is known that this is not the way to come to the united states. that is false information. irregular migration poses a serious early risk to the migrants themselves. trying to enter the united states illegally is not worth tragedy, money, or effort. host: the homeland security secretary yesterday at the border. "the new york times close vote reporting this morning, wire haitians coming in the numbers we are seeing? -- times" reporting this morning, "why are haitians coming in the numbers we are seeing"? host: that is "the new york times" wording. haitians on the border, this also open the new york times" this morning -- host: this morning, do you support or oppose the biden administration immigration and order policy? barry, you oppose. welcome to the conversation. go ahead. caller: i'm an independent, but eileen left. i just him to agree with this border policy. all democrats and republicans, they want these immigrant in here for the cheap labor always. that's just the ones that run businesses, the democrats and republicans. i just don't understand what's going on either. all you got to do is round them up, get them out of here. whatever happened to the 70's and 80's when they would come up for a few months a year and work the cops. for some reason our government wants them to stay now. host: all right, here's the white house press secretary jen psaki talking about the challenging situation at the border. [video clip] >> this is devastating footage to watch but what we are trying to do is protect people. one way of conveying that this is not the time to come, we have in implementing title 42 and it's not just about people in the united states, it's also about protecting migrants that would come and be in mass groups. we are also surging resources and taking a multipronged approach, working with the red cross to bring in the much-needed resources, with her own central kitchen and expediting repatriation flights to a range of countries in south and central america where they may have him from if they can be accepted back, and some of them back to haiti. that's the focus at this point in time. the message continues to be that now is not the time to come, for a range of reasons. including that we don't have the immigration system up and running in the way that we want, wooding that there is still a pandemic and these are the steps we are taking in part protect border communities in the migrants themselves. host: that was the white house press secretary yesterday. take a look at this image in the wall street journal this morning, migrants crossing the rio grande back into mexico. about 16,000 migrants in recent weeks have gathered under a bridge in del rio. the headline is that the u.s. has started flying these migrants back to 80. under title 42, which you heard the press secretary mention, that allows the administration to rapidly expel migrants at the border to prevent the spread of covid-19 in the united states. joe, you oppose. go ahead. caller: it's really sad to see the story with all the haitians tech this. i was particularly concerned with an image that i saw where they were being corralled with whips. it's sad that that is happening you guys member when the evs administration wasn't laced. they actually had folks come in to give them the protection that they needed. even though it wasn't as good as most people thought, you never saw these kinds of images where it appeared that certain kind of people and if you remember, haiti has been going through a lot of turmoil. the president got assassinated and then you had the earth wake in the hurricane. i think they qualify for refugee status. putting them on planes and sending them back is not the right look the biden administration, particularly an administration that had a lot of soup from african-americans. this is not going to be a good day. that's all i have. host: ok. james, new hampshire, share your thought. -- thoughts. caller: my perspective, from this standpoint, at one time i was in haiti during the 1990 period and before, when they did have mass migrations and stuff in guantanamo bay, cuba, for a time, taking care of after the process, taking care of the haitians migrating, thousands and thousands of them there. since that time, i have married one of the migrants and we had a daughter. now she is a practicing physician in new york city. however, the numbers coming are massive and i understand that this country cannot absorb waves of people of that nature. and i realize the conditions that they were existing in in haiti, having been there and lived through that turbulent time. so, i understand why these people are coming, but there is a limit to which the united states can accept mass migration across the borders. host: james, what are your thoughts on many of them having not lived in haiti for a long time. they migrated after the earthquake, before or after that, to countries like brazil and chili? -- file -- chile? caller: my daughter got caught in that earthquake and was airlifted out by the u.s. military. i understand the depravation of the country, having lived there, and the horrors that they face. i can fully understand that there are people in desperation exiting that location for economic and other reasons. simply because of the unstable environment they are living in now. as a person, i would say i have to do the same thing in their position. the human horror. host: take a look as we talked to kirk in alabama, these images were captured by fox news and a human rights lawyer. you oppose what you are seeing. go ahead. caller: good morning, greta, america, thank you for taking my call. i'm completely opposed to it. i don't understand what's going on that our country, our government, our state governors would allow this president to mass migrate so many people to this country and then don't fire any health restrictions and such. and then i also find it particularly curious and interesting that for some reason , the united states has a particular special policy that is anti-haitian immigration, for whatever the reason. you know, who doesn't understand that of all the people migrating to this country since this administration, who is more qualified for refugee status than the haitian people? why is it that so many other south american and central american migrants can come to this country for seven months, but it doesn't become a crisis until it becomes predominantly haitian people? it makes america seem to be racist against black people in particular. i don't understand it, greta. i don't think that this country can sustain this type of unfettered, unmanaged, open immigration. it's destroying our country, our economy, and everything else. this president, if you can call him that, is a disaster. so is his administration and everything they touch. who didn't know that about joe biden over his 50 year rear? he's a bumbling fool. he's mr. magoo in reality. host: governor greg abbott with this tweet, requesting a federal emergency declaration from the president in the state of texas in response to the border crisis and the dire situation in that county. now, a letter to the president from 26 republican governors reads this way, the month-long surge in illegal host: rollo, in washington, d.c., good morning, go ahead. caller: i'm appalled by all the imagery from customs and border patrol. it's reprehensible and i want to know where is congressional black caucus on this? where is maxine waters from california? where's the head of the congressional black caucus? these are people of color, people of african dissent and brown people, hispanic people who are basically indigenous to those regions as well, dissented from aztecs and mayans. these are people of color letting the afghani's over here because the census bureau considers them white. i have worked with the census bureau and u.s. aid and i have worked with haitians and been to haiti and a lot of the money that we allotted to them in that earthquake was misappropriated from the upper echelon. it wasn't evenly distributed. there were no programs initiated and a lot of those are still suffering from 2010, of course what, 11 years ago. our country tends to be so humanitarian and altruistic and it comes to letting people from the middle east or eastern europe in. when it comes to people of color and particularly people of african descent, we are hesitant to voice our opinions or be so giving or welcoming to them. we still have this image and this racism that has been embedded psychologically through centuries and it's just unfortunate and i'm very appalled this. i want to know where are the people with black lives matter. where are the good, quote unquote, white liberals, who really believe in economic parity and who are human it carrion in your thinking. i want to know where these people are. i don't hear anything from them. thank you. host: here's a tweet from a member of congress saying they want to express their concern over reports of an urgent humanitarian isis for tens of thousands of displaced haitians and i want to be clear that we are a nation -- humanitarian crisis for tens of thousands of displaced haitians and i want to be clear that we are a nation of humanity and rule of law. i will continue to fight see that refugees are welcome in america, regardless of race or country of origin. she writes that she is the chair of the congressional black caucus, her reaction to what she is seeing on the southern border. you and a previous caller mentioned as well, images of border patrol on horseback with a wit, corralling migrants -- with a whip, corralling migrants. here's the press secretary reacting to that. [video clip] >> there are photos of order patrol using whips on migrants. there are people who are upset. can you explain that? >> understandably so. i've seen some of the footage. i don't have the full context. i can't imagine what context would make that appropriate. i don't think anyone seeing that footage would think it was acceptable or appropriate. host: the white house response to the images that some have mentioned and people were discussing yesterday. it's your turn now to let washington and the decision-makers -- know about what you are -- how you feel about what you are seeing on the border and the administrative response to it. fred, next. caller: can you hear me? i'm originally from sydney, australia. i came to the u.s. in 19 if t9 and you wouldn't believe the paperwork i had to do to get into the country. i had to see three doctors, have background investigations done. i had to get a whole bunch of things done. for people, i had to do all of those things and i was married to an american by the way. which is why i wanted to come, to join him at the beginning. the people complaining now about how hard, how difficult it is when people are just crossing the border and don't have to go through the whole paperwork and hold making sure they are not bringing viruses into the country? i think it's not correct. i mean you know, even back then, 1969, i had to go through, the paperwork came to about one inch thick, actually. i oppose it because, you know, people need to go through the right procedures to do the right thing. host: what's your reaction to hearing stories like this one from a haitian in the new york times? a friend of mine told me to cross here, i heard it was easier according to the haitian who spoke to the roof order. he and his pregnant wife had traveled from the border where they have been living after earlier stops over for the last three years in she lay, olivia, peru, panama, took us two months to get here by foot and by bus. caller: it's terrible, absolutely terrible. that said, if they had gone to the embassy and tried to go through the correct route to come to america legally, i believe that they wouldn't have had to go through such heartache or difficulty. that they had to to come here. that being said, i had to go through difficulties, to, but mine was mainly paperwork, going through channels, embassies, getting all different things. there is a way to come here legally. i guess it was tv that they tested me for back then. i don't exactly remember. as i said, i came from sydney, australia. what was i going to bring in? a didgeridoo? but i had to go through that process and i think that people need to go through the process. host: looking at this image from the new york times of haitians and other migrants crossing with packages on their heads and other belongings. they write that haitians are still a small percentage of border officers. 4% of those encountered in august, but the numbers ballooned in recent months, 28,000 have been intercepted by the border patrol along the u.s.-mexico border in the current fiscal year that ends september 30 compared to 4395 2020 and 2046 2019. patricia, chicago, good morning to you. caller: any person physically present in the united states or who arrives in the united date irrespective of their status may apply for asylum. for asylum-seekers making it to the united states it often means they are finding safety from persecution, torture, and sometimes death. more recently, biden enacted a $2 trillion infrastructure plan. that could supply the financial means and the living conditions. the requirement for affordable housing in the united states. i think they are protected by the law and i think they should be treated as civilians and i don't they should be on horseback or touring these people as though they have no rights. that's what i have to say. host: all right. mary, dayton, ohio, we will go to you next. caller: i do support the biden policies. with everything that has been going on in the world with the pandemic, with the afghanistan, with the immigration. even at the border, a lot of these things that are happening, yes, we can all do better. i don't like the images i have been seeing of them on horseback. i don't approve of any of that. but i also think that the way the media goes about this, it's like a knee-jerk reaction to everything that's happening and it's like you know, the man has only been in office for eight months and he came into a shell of a state department. his immigration policies, there was nothing left as far as them getting cards to get over here. we need to put this in a perspective, you know. like every day is like a got you or i caught this person doing this and i want the media to tamp that down a little bit and let's try to approach this in a humane way that helps people and doesn't hurt people. we are in this country and watching these people try to get here, the things that they have to go through just to get here? that right there should tell you something about, you know, who they are as people. if they are coming here to seek asylum, let us give them that opportunity to, you know, have their case be heard. all this other stuff, it's, it's just so much. you literally have to turn off the tv because every day it's a gotcha moment and i would like to see it tamped down. thank you for taking my call. host: ashton in newport, kentucky, they didn't swim there. the government needs to take action against those facilitating the trafficking. manna terrien reasons is not enough justification. to access your first name, city and state, to (202) 748-8003. hello, mark. caller: thank you for taking my call. i want to put this in perspective. my family, grandparents and parents, aunts and uncles, both sides, came here through ellis island, they had documents. my parents or grandparents had a proved -- had to prove they were married. my parents, my and send uncles all had birth certificates. they all went through a physical first thing. my family went through the great depression, both sides. didn't get a dime and welfare. these people, i have seen interviews with these people. they are making demands already. they want housing and who'd, they want this and that and they are not even here legally. i will tell you what, i'm a democrat, i support president biden and isa his policies, but you know what, on this he's way off base and you know what? remember how trump got elected 16 and we are going to see the republicans take over the congress again unless we stop this. host: mark, do you think the president is doing what he can given the situation? you heard the homeland security secretary. they have already begun to the work thousands. it started sunday. the flights are bringing them back to the prince, a country that some of them haven't been in any years. caller: greta, they are only to orting single women and single men. they are letting unaccompanied minors and families in. my opinion is no exceptions. everybody goes back, sorry. host: brett, nevada. caller: hello, greta. i'm wondering where kamala harris is. she is supposed to be the one in charge of the order. she cracked jokes that she hasn't been to europe yet either. you want to know where al green is at? jackson lee? maxine waters? they are busy trying to get your taxpayer dollars. they don't care what's going on on the border states. they just want your money. they don't care about you or the people stuck on the border. it's funny, all these problems that we have on the border, democrats don't call it a crisis. but it is. look at how these people are living. it breaks my heart to see it. as a country, we should be better. host: what should, what should be happening at this camp under this international bridge in del rio, where folks, children, are sleeping on makeshift beds of card order, camps made of sticks, cloth over makeshift tent. what should happen? caller: we have empty military bases that would probably austin next to nothing to redo and at least get these people out of the situation they are in. we don't do that because we don't want to spend the money. we want to spend $3.5 trillion on a reconciliation bill that doesn't do really anything for anybody. we don't want to pass a 1.2 trillion infrastructure bill until we get the 3.5 in taxpayer money. the people that should be caring about the borders, texas, california, arizona, where are these democrats at? why aren't they speaking up? host: yesterday the senate parliamentarian ruled that democrats cannot include immigration proposals in this so-called reconciliation package. that's a way for them to clear the 3.5 trillion. their way around getting around the threshold in the senate. here is chuck schumer of new york on the path forward for immigration reform in the wake of senate parliamentarian decisions. [video clip] >> we will continue the fight to find the best option available for immigrants hoping for a chance to one day obtain lawful residencies in america. the last year and a half have shown how vital immigrants have been in keeping our economy going during a time of rice's. so many wrist their lives on the front line of this endemic but remain excluded from the very same benefits that kept millions of others secure in these hard times. workers from one end of america to the other, one of the reasons is the trump administration dramatically back on immigrants in this country. we need them. we need them in our labor force in our labor force and to continue american vitality. we need them for their part in the american dream. it is estimated in my city that one third of the health care workers at the height of covid who risked their lives for us were immigrants. having a strong law that helps the immigrants is vital. the american people understand that fixing the broken immigration system is a moral imperative and economic imperative. immigration reform has been one of the most important causes of my time in the senate and i will not stop fighting to achieve it. host: here is the minority leader, mitch mcconnell of kentucky, on the senate parliamentarian decision to remove immigration proposals from that reconciliation plan by democrats. here he is. [video clip] >> this will not permit them to shove a massive amnesty for illegal immigrants that they want to ram through. these are not mere budgetary tweaks and as bernie sanders said this is not to enact major social policy changes. that's chairman sanders from a few years ago. a lesson that he and his caucus need to relearn. even with the border as insecure as it has ever been, the far left want sweeping amnesty and democratic leaders dutifully tried their very best. it just goes to show you how radical this legislation is going to be. host: that was mitch mcconnell yesterday on stripping out proposals from the reconciliation and. this morning we are talking with all of you about the presidents border policies. do you support or oppose? greg, you support. good morning to you, go ahead. caller: i do support because i want the democrats to prove to the american public. the more they do to try to destroy this country? and then you have mr. schumer, senator schumer saying some experts estimate? why doesn't somebody ask how many and what were the estimates? this is crazy, what they are doing. but supposedly he got elected. so the american public, despite what the mainstream media spin is to protect him from everything negative, sooner or later the real hunters dad and willie brown whore is going to come through. host: john, go ahead. caller: i live in a town of 30,000 people. predominantly latino, which is great. our town has a hospital, high school, three or four elementary schools. we are 35,000 people. for 200,000 people that came across last month? we are going to need what, five times, six time that? six hospitals? six high schools? 15 grammar schools? i don't know why biden doesn't just close the border and asked amnesty? why doesn't he do the right thing and just close the border? trump had that working, had people talking. we had americans not competing for people desperate for work that would work low wages. we had the wages going up. now there's going to be a battle for wages. i just don't get it. the infrastructure needed to build from one million people that have come through this year has got to be staggering. rebuilding this infrastructure for immigrants, or americans? i really, the law work. i like to the law for two reasons. one, it was passive. number two, more importantly, it was a one time expense that lasted for 50 years. we have got to go back. all the money pouring in year after year after year, this could have been solved by a wall . biden broke the wall. biden's got to fix it. kamala harris, she's got to do something, to. i have been to oakland. i don't know if anyone has been to oakland. it's the filthiest city in the world, probably. it has got trash and everything wrong. host: you are sharing your experience there in california area this, from a newspaper that writes about the impact of the mission del rio texas, writing that it's a thriving cultural city of 36,000 and 80% of the population is hispanic and they are used cross-border traffic and they benefit from it with workers and residents going back and arthur ross the bridge daily -- -- back and forth across the bridge daily. host: more from the dn why use the reporting. host: john, it's your turn to tell washington what you think. caller: be honest with you, i'm having a hard time thinking about the whole thing, listening to everybody. as far as immigration goes, the haitians, i get where they are coming from and i agree we need to be a humanitarian country. as far as biden and kamala harris trying to figure out what to do, i can't even imagine what it's like. as far as immigration goes, yeah, it would be nice if we could do it all legally, but who is going to set that up and where? we don't have enough anything to do anything in this country. first of all, we are so divided about everything. it will be difficult to figure out what is right for everybody but the deal is, we all know, we need more people in this country to do more work. how we go about that, i'm not sure. the one thing i would like to point out is the media, far as the media goes, i saw a bumper sticker that said fox news, the rich telling the middle-class to blame the poor. where are we really at? as far as immigration goes, we are hurting for people on cape cod. i've got at least 100 friends within 10 miles of me dying for help. no help whatsoever. restaurants are shutting down because no one helps for the winter. usually they go through at least october 12. what are we supposed to do? i can't believe this. host: more reporting from the borders, this is charlotte cuss person, tweeting out that haitians and others are flooding a bus the border to mexico from under the international bridge, grabbing taxis, walking, anything to get across and avoid the deep asian from the united states. let's hear from james in morris, massachusetts. caller: to my friend in brewster, i'm very familiar with brewster. what are they supposed to do? they were shut down by the government because of a pandemic. this has nothing to do with immigration. these people in brewster that can't work because of mask mandates and everything else like that, it's ridiculous. i'm pretty familiar with brewster. my comments on the border is that this is absolutely 100% a joe biden problem. he started it. you are not having the numbers of the people coming at us. in may it was over 200000 and it hasn't east by that number or more every month since, with 300,000 getaways, they call them. they don't even know where these people are. these people have at least an apprehended. the images with horseback riding? nobody got with. -- whipped. you have one guy chasing two teams of professional football players? host: how do you respond to people saying that they aren't animals, they are humans. caller: i understand that. you can't make this analogy because they are humans. it's an invasion. they are trying to the people out. they are not ripping anybody, they are whipping their horses. when you tell people that you can't come here, they will still try to come in. how else will they do it? he only physical way they can. there are not enough border patrol agents to do it. the numbers being were ordered are totally disingenuous. blaming trump for this is ridiculous. the government had to shut down everything because of pandemic. it's ridiculous. i'm a lifelong democrat, but this is written -- ridiculous. in my hometown where we were brought up, $72,000 a year for protective status. times how much? 300,000 million? this is ridiculous. they have got to stop someplace. you people can say anything you want about fox, but you are not adding the truth from mainstream host:. host:-- mainstream. host: heard your point. ida, connecticut. caller: i don't know what people are talking about as far as the biden policies. i don't think we have a policy. currently the house in the senate have not able to pass a decent, a well thought out, decent policy for immigrants for years. they just can't get together on it. i guess one is afraid of larger numbers and the other one wants to keep it down. i don't know why they get into some good policy established. that's what has to be done. don't blame the immigrants. blame the house in the senate for not getting a good policy. host: all right. gary, northeast washington state texting us to say that the world is in the middle of pandemic, we don't need open border at all until we have covid under control. gary in connecticut, we will go to you next. caller: i have been a registered democrat for 54 years and i voted in support for joe biden, but on the sixth of august i left the democratic already and became an unaffiliated voter. the problem on the border in particular has disturbed me. if we look back at history, 1900 to 1914, ellis island alone was able to process 1900 people per day. over 14 years. it came to 10 million people. that's just ellis island. why with all the modern things that have today like computers, we don't have a plan to let all come to this country and organize a way to get shots and be examined as they did at ellis island. i look at the condominium i live in now and all the workers have worked on our roofing and they cut our grass and did all the service, they are hispanics from south of the border. we need these people and we are not doing anything in an organized and are to get them the proper inoculations, testing, and have a policy to let them come to this country legally. i'm really disgusted over the whole situation. host: more reporting from the border, from reuters, tweeting out a video, this scene played out for hours on the mech co-side of rio grande as haitians crossed chest high water with small kids and belongings on their shoulders. children were riding, parents fretted over where to sleep as night fell over a dusty field with no shelter. let's hear from al in tennessee. good morning. caller: first, on the wit thing, those are called rains. it's attached to a bit in the horse of the mouth -- the mouth of the horse. they are not tips and you would never allow someone on the ground to grab the reins because they would have troll of the horse. that's a whole other issue. whether you are talking about the border, and a stand, the economy or the pandemic, it's not a crisis. this is the land. the biden administration and is working. you cannot be 100 sent wrong on 100% of the issues unless that's your land. they are not bringing school teachers, nurses, truck drivers, the sort of people that we need here. the people coming over are illiterate, uneducated, unvaccinated. they are a drag on the welfare system and future democratic voters, that's all there is to it. host: this is paul in missouri saying why do christians in the u.s. have so little compassion for these desperate christians egging for help, escaping failed states like haiti and mexico. america first? james in buffalo, kentucky. we will hear from you. caller: hello? hey, how you doing. thanks for taking my own call, i appreciate that. i think one of the biggest ins why they are not wanting to haitians in their is because if you look at our own people and all the albums we have out of them, we just don't need that. when you look at some of the afghans and the other people they are allowing in, they will be contributing to society and it's one of the reasons why -- host: why wouldn't the haitians contribute to society caller: caller:? they will contribute by being on the welfare system and being in our prisons host:. host:how do you know that? caller: i know how it works. host: why have that blanket statement about an entire group of people? caller: because we already have the problems. i guess you didn't see all of black lives matter murderers. host: you are saying that it is because of the color of their skin? caller: no, because they are a product of their environment. if you take someone who knows how to live -- host: we are going to move on. kathleen? caller: i wanted to respond to the previous caller and say that haitians would probably work a lot harder than black americans. these are cultural issues. also i want to say that democrat voters, trump haters don't understand life and living. life has been about competition from the beginning of mankind. individual versus individual, group versus group, country versus country. america takes in one million at least legal immigrants every year. we have over 22 million at least illegal immigrants in the united states since the 80's. been here for decades. i call in and talk about this on the show and have been forever. now we are taking in 200,000 every month. the guy said that we are not taking brown folks? there are latinos coming in from central america, 200,000 every month from central and latin america. in los angeles, black americans who are not immigrant, legal or illegal, are 40% of the homeless. this is about competition. i have called in to say this 1000 times. in los angeles you cannot even hide a black american man legal or illegal working a construction job. they are all held by brown folks, like the other guy who called in to say that america doesn't let in brown folks? in los angeles, spanish is the predominant language now in the construction industry. if america was so racist, why are all of these people from africa, haiti, and latin america rushing to a racist america? you know, the media is very reactionary area they never go over the data, they never talk about the economics of it. they never talk about how in these major cities controlled by democrats, black americans are suffering, citizens who have been here for generations. so, we are going to bring in other people to compete? lachman need jobs in the construction industry. you know it's like democratic voters are not even logical. host: cindy in boston has this to say, president biden should all a joint session of congress to demand immigration reform. jackie in trenton, missouri, what do you say? caller: i'm trying to disgusted with democrats and republicans. host: why? caller: instead of working together to try to solve the problem of immigration in this country, they are fighting like -- like kids over a tootsie roll. they, president biden has opened the border and i have heard people talking about covid coming in from the border. but it's just not covid. they need to work on an immigration system that is going to be safe for the american people that are still suffering from the first shutdown over covid. the people can't even catch up on their bills from then and they can't even get help because all the money is going to the immigrants. that's all i have to say. you know, they need to get together and work on this instead of, like i said, acting like a couple of kids fighting over tootsie roll's. host: michelle, wisconsin. caller: i have one thing to say, we are all american. we should not be fighting over all of this. biden is doing a tremendous job took on a whole lot after the previous trump presidency and we should focus on all americans, all americans. host: to you and others, turn down that television so we don't have the echo. omar in brooklyn, what do you say? caller: good morning, america, especially black america. they are talking about black people coming to a country that is not destitute by earthquakes and everything. everybody coming from europe, they let them, ireland, all over the world. but they shut the border down, they put it on cnn and msnbc that all of us black are the biggest problem now. this is par for the course in america. i meant to call in on september 11 especially, here i am in new york city with all the people coming in -- calling in about what they heard on 9/11. you know what's hard about the people who live in new york city that actually lived through 9/11? i lived through that, i was at five world trade. i'm here 20 years later. the point is this, world trade happening? it was a bubble that popped. all the black people lost their jobs and we had to recover from that. all of a sudden the housing bubble pops. all of these economic downfalls for black americans in this country. and those problems on the border? 9/11, i have this story about a lady -- host: we are going to stick to the border story. thank you. ben, west virginia. caller: i think that immigration is a disaster. i think we have been overrun, invaded. we are not sponsor before their overflow, their population control, the public game they are playing. we can't afford it. enough is enough, we need to get the borders shot and get these people the hell out of here. where is this leading? there is no end to it. it's just going to be a constant handful. host: georgia, keith? keith, good morning to you in georgia mark caller: -- georgia? caller: good morning, how are you? i think a lot has to be worked through. seems like every week we have a different crisis but for the most part the people complaining about immigrants are not coming from a country in such disarray. we are not out in the water, we are not being treated like cattle. i understand that throughout history, haitians have always been turned back. i don't know if it is because of the darker you are, the more you are discriminated against, but if you are fleeing death, my family, i would try to come here, to. we need to be uncomfortable so that we can see what it's like for other people before we judge, you know? that's basically all i wanted to say. host: all right, that was keith in georgia. we have got a couple of minutes left here. before we end the conversation and move on, here's the majority leader chuck schumer, talking about the, he says mitch mcconnell is putting the economy at risk, republicans are putting it at risk by not agreeing to raise the debt ceiling, a deadline that looms over washington in the coming days. here is the majority leader. [video clip] >> both sides have a responsibility to pay for this debt. it has always been done in a bipartisan way. unfortunately, last week leader mcconnell announced that the senate republicans are trying to deliberately turn their back on their obligations. when asked if republicans would block an extension of the debt limit, leader mcconnell amazingly and craven lay set republicans are united in opposition to raising the debt ceiling. shame. the same leader mcconnell urged democrats and republicans to support raising that ceiling when trump was president and he was majority leader. he always comes up with some sophistry as to why it's different, but everyone knows it's not friend. in fact, democrats supported re-time is raising the debt ceiling when trump was president and if my recollection is right, at least one of those times was when the house, the senate, and the presidency were controlled by republicans. should republicans careen the country towards default, the country could actually be plunged into recession, laying off millions. making it hard for people to pay for the food on the table, their mortgage and their rent. shame. host: here is the republican leader, mitch mcconnell, on the floor talking about raising the debt ceiling. [video clip] >> we do not have divided government. democrats do not eat our help. they have every tool to address the debt limit on their own, the same partyline process that used to ram through inflationary spending in march and already plan to use once again this fall. no look, this might inconvenience democrats, it might delay their reckless tactics and spending spree but democrats cannot risk the full credit of our nation to serve their own partisan timelines. democrats decided to govern alone. their unified democratic government must put basic governing duties ahead of partisan wish list. if they don't, the consequences for our country would be catastrophic. senate republicans will support a clean, continuing resolution that includes appropriate disaster relief and targeted afghan assistance. we will not support legislation that raises the debt limit. host: the party leaders on a deadline for raising the debt ceiling, one >> also considering the $768 billion defense programs and policy bill. later this week, a bill prohibiting states from enacting certain restrictions on abortion providers. when the house is back in session, you can find live coverage here on c-span. >> c-span shop .org is c-span's online store. shop now and get cozy for cooler weather with the c spap fall sale. browse to see what's new and save up to 30% on our classic logo apparel, shoots, and hoodies. also fleece blankets, mugs, and glasses. there's something for every c-span fan. shop the fall sale now through september 21. your purchase will support our nonprofit operations. go to c-span shop .org. #. >> you can be a part of a national conversation by participating in c-span's student cam video competition. if you are a middle or high school student, we are asking you to create a five to six-minute documentary that answers yet, how does the federal government impact your life? your documentary must show supporting and opposing points of view on the federal polcy of programs that feacts you or your community. using c-span video clips which are easy to find and access at c-span .org. c-span student competition awards $100,000 in total cash prizes. and a shot at the grand prize of $5,000. eptrys must be received before january 20, 2022. for competition rules, or how to get started have is the our website at

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