Remarks by mike pence in greenville, south carolina. With david canon, Political Science professor at the university of wisconsin madison to continue our conversation on the battleground state of wisconsin. The Supreme Court decision on absentee ballots, what is your take on it . What type of voter could be impacted by this . Guest it really is an important decision to say that the ballot has to be received by election day, and anything not received by election day will not be counted. Where a District Court judge ruled you could count the ballots for three days after the election, the way that many other states allow. Partiesright now the are scrambling to get the message out that if you want to vote by mail, you better get your ballot in today or tomorrow, because the mail sometimes takes more than a week to get to the clerks office. This has thrown a monkeywrench at the last minute into the voting process. And we do have a Record Number of people voting by mail, already almost half of wisconsin voters have voted by mail, over 1. 3 million have already voted early. That is getting close to half of our total for 2016, so this could potentially affect a lot of voters. Host are they able to track their ballot in wisconsin . Guest you can, but you go to the my vote. Gov website to track your vote, but the clerks cannot keep up with the huge volume. So in an ideal world, if your vote comes in, it is tallied online and you can see it was received, but often they are behind a week or 10 days, so at this point you cannot count on that. What people are being urged, if you have not voted by mail already, you should take your ballot to one of the drop off boxes or and deliver it to the clerks office, to make sure it gets there on time. Host we spoke with you on september 21 about the president ial race, has it changed since then . Guest the polls have moved a little bit in the direction of joe biden, but overall things have been stable. The lead ranges between 68 points in most polls for joe biden. The battleground poll conducted by my colleagues here at the University Just came out yesterday morning, and that showed a four point jump for joe biden in wisconsin, also in michigan and pennsylvania he showed a four point jump. One interesting thing about this poll that has not been widely noted in the commentary, is that unlike most other polls this is a panel poll, so they are read interviewing the same people over the series of polls. They have had four of them now, this is the last one before the election, but these are the same people being interviewed. So that is a real 4 change. It is the same sample of people. To me, that shows Real Movement toward joe biden in wisconsin and the other two battleground states. Host does that mean some of those people have changed their minds . They started out supporting president trump, perhaps a voting for him in 2016, and are now swinging the other way . Guest correct, although it looks like most people are sticking with their initial choice. What is happening is people on the fence are moving to joe biden. And we have also seen in the poll that joe biden is doing well among the people who did not vote in 2016 at all, new voters. And people who voted for someone else other than clinton or donald trump, they are breaking heavily for joe biden as well. Host how big is that electorate . Guest fairly small. About 15 of the samples. Not a huge percentage, but enough to make a difference in a close race. Ask, can youto talk about the wow counties and how they are changing . Guest for those who are not in wisconsin, those are the suburbs around milwaukee. Washington and waukesha county, and they have been heavily republican, the most important part of the republican suburban vote in the state. That was the core of support for scott walker in his election, for donald trump when he won in 2016. In 2018, they were still heavily republican, but they moved pretty substantially in the democratic direction. The other thing i have been watching as the early vote numbers, deceit where they are coming to see where they are coming in. And they are running much higher than they were in 2016. And will be more than half of the electorate before we reach election day. But there is a higher percentage of people voting by mail, especially in dane county, in madison 63 of the 2016 vote has already voted in wisconsin, compared to Washington County is still and so there heavy voting by mail, but not as much as dane county. To me that is more of an energized base on the democratic side to get there early vote out. Host what are the demographics of dane county . Guest it is heavily democratic. Black . Terms of white and its mostly white. The state is 87 white, 6. 5 africanamerican. The heaviest africanamerican population is in milwaukee, racine. Madison does not have as high of an africanamerican publishing as those cities. So, it is a heavily white population, but collegeeducated, as we have seen in this election especially, there is a big gap between the white voters with a College Degree and those without. Dane county has the highest proportion of College Degrees of any county in the state. Host lets go to ron and pennsylvania supporting the former vice president. Good morning. Caller i have a question pertaining to the ruling by the Supreme Court on the wisconsin voting. Defy the state ruling because of states rights . On the abortion thing, for example, if they rule against abortion, some states can still have a law allowing abortion in their state. Is that not correct . I am a student of the law, but i am just wondering. Its a question of information. I do not think the ruling is written in stone for every state in the union, is it . Guest well, good question. Play inights come into this topic, who controls the election. And when you compare the weekylvania situation a ago, where the Supreme Court allowed pennsylvania to count votes late, but in wisconsin yesterday they said, no, you cannot do that. The difference was in pennsylvania, john roberts voted with the three liberals, upholding the lower Court Decision to say the votes could be counted after election day because they said this is a question of state law, being interpreted by the Supreme Court in the state saying this is allowable so, john roberts said, lets stay out of it. But in wisconsin, our state Supreme Court is a more conservative court and they said that state legislature should be able to decide this, so now roberts has flipped and voted with the conservatives, and said you should not be able to count the votes. On the question of states rights and who gets to decide, roberts said basically that this is the state legislatures fault. They should be able to decide this. And our state legislature did not step into to provide extra time to voters. Isin wisconsin the state saying states should be able to decide, meaning our ballots have to be in by election day and cannot become delete. Host michael in maryland. You are supporting the Joe Biden Harris ticket . Caller yes. I have a question and a comment. What was the total amount that 2016 . Beat hillary by in it was like 20,000 or something, right . Guest 27,000. Caller now guest that is out of 3 million votes cast. That is really close. Caller i am a black american and i always looked at the black population up there as the reason that occurred, because they stayathome, you know. That small amount made the difference. And i am wondering if that is going to come out this year. Thats my question. Is comment is, if responded to the guy who had the dream about jesus and of the other responder about abortion. Numbers, chapter 1131, it states that god sanctioned abortion. Host i will leave it there. Guest on the question of the africanamerican vote and did it help elect donald trump . He is right to say that the drop was, thet in milwaukee africanamerican turnout, was the margin of difference. The straw to go with that broke the camels back argument, why would those voters be more important than others who did not turn out, but it is a critical part of support for the democratic party, and there was a substantial drop between 20122016 in black turnout. We saw that nationally, where nationally black turnout was down. But in 2012, blacks voted at a higher rate than whites, nationally, and Barack Obamas second election. That was a critical thing in the 2016 election. The callers right to point to that as something that people will keep a close eye on next week, to see what the turnout looks like in milwaukee. Host there has also been talk about the battleground within the battleground. Where is this located . Guest the fox river valley is to the north, from appleton to green bay, an Old Industrial part of the state with a lot of manufacturing and paper mills. That is the part of the state that has been the battleground within the battleground. There have been many elections in the past where that part of wisconsin has the highest ad buys of any media market in the country. This is a heavily fought over area that does a swing in both directions. So that is another part of the state people will be watching. Host we will go to caleb in maryland. You are undecided. Caller hi, my main concern as we know, only 1 of the National Budget goes to Economic Development abroad. And given that 95 of u. S. Jobs are directly linked to foreign trade, what are the key concerns in terms of Foreign Policy for wisconsin voters . As a supplemental question, what could we do more of to make u. S. Citizens more interested in international affairs, given the u. S. Population is only 4 of the total in the world . Right thatcaller is Foreign Affairs rarely plays a central role in politics. If you look at the most important problems facing the iuntry, the battleground poll mentioned that was released yesterday had a question asking, what are the most important issues facing the country today . It listed 11 different issues and Foreign Policy hardly registered. Covid was the most important issue for democrats, the economy the most important for republicans. And it is something that simply does not register at the top of the list for most. Unless it is during a time of war, announcer live now to south carolina, where pence is holding a Campaign Rally with supporters in greenville