Spending. Current funding levels expire on september 30. All of the senate live on cspan2. Joining us is rick tyler, now stillh a new book, right. What is the message in the book . I think i wrote it for two reasons, and to different audiences. Lets say its too left and right audiences. A large part of it is a misunderstanding of what conservatism is. A, i wanted to create rational defense of conservatism as write about conservatism an attractive governing philosophy. In the same way that other writers can and have written as about progressivism. Because progressivism and many countries have progressive forms of government are a rational form of philosophy. It is not mine. My philosophy is conservatism. I would like people, at a minimum, who take the progressive point of view, to understand what actual conservatism is. If i think about it, i wrote it for the right for the exact same reasons. I hear a lot of people pronouncing policies often repeated by the president and it gets labored labeled as conservative. Will espouse philosophies that are not conservative. I think trade is one of the most profound to look at. It is like watching somebody tear into raw flesh and eat it and declare themselves a vegan. It doesnt make sense. And theon the left right there is a misunderstanding about what a conservative governing philosophy is. Host to that point, let me begin our conversation where you conclude in the book that i think frames your point. He said the following. Conservatives were once the unwanted children of the Republican Party that eventually gained a seat under Ronald Reagan. Said reagan, conservatives in the corner in subsequent administrations. Today, we are no longer invited to family dinners. Our chairs are occupied by ideological imposters posing as conservatives. Clearly you are talking about the Trump Administration. Explain. Guest i am also talking about ideology. My heart goes out to foster children. Im certainly not talking about them. Been theism has always politics,ideology of of political parties. Conservatism was not welcome into the Republican Party for a very long time. In fact, all of the people who often today declare Ronald Reagan as a great president and a wonderful conservative are often the same people who try to run him out of the party and wanted gerald ford to be the president. In 1980 and brings conservatives to the table. At the time the Heritage Foundation was really the first conservative think tank in washington. It began to feed ideas into the campaign. When reagan got elected all of those scholars in the Heritage Foundation and many more were promptly moved into the administration. They were not just on the sidelines, they were actually setting policy. ,nd reagan gave conservatism sort of a happy face in contrast to the Barry Goldwater conservatism. I think in order to track people to your philosophy, it ought to from at ought to come happy place, right . Reagan did that. I point out reagan far too much in the book, i will admit. Point to anybody else, i really couldnt. Because i dont think anybody encapsulated what a conservative philosophy was and what its attitude was better than reagan. Did reagan fall short . Every leader does. Absent fromtism is the discussion. And worse, to me, is to people at the table leaning those in power are not conservative, yet they call themselves conservative and the people adhere to them because they are pronounced by this current urbanist ration as opposed to testing against a government philosophy. It doesnt always pass the test. Most of the time it doesnt. Host you not only talk about ideology, you also discuss some of the issues that have shaped the conservative movement. Let me take two of them. On trade you write the following. The response of the Trump Administration has been to impose tariffs. Their ultimate goal is not free trade, protectionism. As Milton Friedman likes to point out, why must the stupidity of one nation become our own stupidity . Can you elaborate . Guest let me start with the biggest aspect, which is the human being is created to be creative. At our core, to be human is to be creative. And people think, hes creative so he is talking about art music yes i am, but im also talking about companies and products and services that people provide. Their ownthrough passion, blood, sweat, and tears to create. They have a right, human beings their take their talent, godgiven talent, and try to market to as many people as possible. When the government says so, thats wonderful you created a company, but we are not going to buy your products because we have a political agenda for we are trying to or we are trying to protect our own companies. I will give you a few examples. In the 1970s we had severe. Estrictions on auto imports if anybody can remember what the 1970s vehicles were, there were great cars like the gremlin or the ford pinto. These were embarrassing vehicles and when the japanese finally got a foothold in america, people started buying their cars. In the same way, protectionism works for instance, the gm bailout. The reason i was against the gm bailout was did it save jobs . Temporarily. The lawrenceville plant not close because of labor laws. Primarily a close because americans stop buying the chevy cruise. The free market, in the aggregate, it is aliens of personal consumer transactions voluntarily. Nobody forces anybody to buy anything. You go and you say, i want to buy a pickup truck. One ofident trump his trade agreements was with south korea. Substantially you couldnt differentiate it from the last korus agreement. Americans are not allowed to buy south korean pickup trucks. You wont see any south korean pickup trucks on the roads in america because they are essentially band. Banned. I thought to myself, what if i wanted to buy a south korean pickup truck . Im not allowed to buy it because my government said, you cannot buy that truck because we are trying to protect the auto industry. And instead of everybody trying to protect which often leads to fewer choices, higher prices, shortages let the free market let individuals have the freedom to both buy and sell. By the way, on the consumer side it doesnt get talked about often, the reason so many products are readily available and affordable im talking about the products on the shelves of walmart or, if you are a democrat, he more likely shop that target that is democratic demographic research. All of those products are cheap. Class,h, they fly first they have maybe four kt these while we will have to wait. Buy these high deficits for relatively little. They have cell phones, our standard of living is so much better than so many other countries because we are able to byproduct that are by products that are on the free market. And they are Higher Quality because people compete with each other to out do their competitors. Host let me go to the other issue you frame. With regard to the u. S. Supreme court keep in mind that robert bork was nominated by Ronald Reagan. You say on the Supreme Court, robert bork was not on trial. It was a senatorial referendum on constitutional original is him, most famously championed by Antonin Scalia of. Legislatingiating hours to itself and congresss unwillingness to check it. They are separate points, but im wondering if you could connect the two. Guest its interesting about robert bork. Im sure you remember who was the chairman of the judiciary committee. It is Vice President ayden, who is now the democratic nominee for president. Biden, who wasnt now democratic nominee for president. Scalia, 990. In it was not an issue at all. He sailed through. They were both on the d. C. Circuit court, bork and scalia. They are both originalists. There was not a dimes worth of difference between them. Yet one got through virtually unanimously and the other one was defeated. Bork was defeated. , barackward to today obama had nominated judge garland and the republicans refused to even give him hearings. He was never appointed to the court. He did not become a Supreme Court justice. Then donald trump had put gorsuch up. You listen to the rhetoric depending on which side you are gorsuch is the devil incarnate, then the left would say he is a wonderful justice, exactly what the court needed. Gorsuch, the two sides flipped. I looked at those two candidates for the Supreme Court they both served on the d. C. Circuit judge just like bork and scalia. You know what . Other than one decision, they had virtually the same record. Decisions, their their temperament, their judicial philosophy, most identical. So you have all of this hes the devil, hes the devil, hes the greatest thing it is just all nonsense. They are almost the same person. I think garland should have been given a hearing and should be on the court, he wasnt. There is really no difference between them. Aat i suggest is to move to 10person court, just add a justice. Or you can take one away. I dont really care. Want to go to 10. The reason is people say, and it would be an even number. Yes, then it would be a time. Tie. Ways think of, we always think of, someone has to win. Ties go back to the lower court. Ruleder they had previously with stand. The reason i think that is important is because i think it diminishes the power of the court. I think the court has gotten too powerful. Because congress has given a lot of its power away not only to the executive branch, for political cover, but they have done it for the court too. I think the court would be much more careful to take cases if they had to get 64 decisions all the time as opposed to 54 decisions. He would not have one judge deciding obamacare and these monumental decisions that are coming down to one judge. I dont like that. I think there would be more careful about taking cases from lower courts where they could not get 64 decisions. I think there would be a lot more persuasiveness on the court, both for both sides. You had a second part of that question, stephen, it has escaped me. Host you answered it. In terms of what congress has or to the Supreme Court. Lets get some phone calls. Lines dividing our phone between those who support the biden harris and the trump pens tickets. We welcome coal on a sender afternoon a sunday afternoon. Caller hi. Forconservatism good medicare, do you think . America, do you think . Guest i think so. No, we say conservatism, but i dont think there has been a lot of conservative we had conservative philosophies when reagan was in there, but before reagan, you know, democrats and there were not a lot of conservatives in power. There still arent. Give youy i will health care a reason they say, people on the Progressive Side will say, you need, you know, we need singlepayer, we need a governmentrun or waste health care system, much like the u. K. Has and other countries in europe. Conservatism,use what they do is relate it to profit. These corporations have terrible profit. I explained in the book that conservatism is not corporatism. Up. Gets mixed it isnt the idea that Congress Passes laws that favors one company over another. That is called picking winners and losers. That is antithetical to conservatism. Conservatism doesnt solve every problem. Think, for instance in areas of health care, you cant have a totally free market system. There has to be regulation. That is what conservatism is. It is ordered liberty. If you take away the order, that is more like libertarianism. Conservatism is ordered liberty, or the Playing Field is set and it is even, and people can compete for different i will give you an example of why the free market does not work hasnt been allowed to work in health care. I take a statin for cholesterol. Policy,ad a insurance the copay was 15. If i go to the pharmacist and say, can i have my statin . They say, it is 15. But why care . Its going to be 15 every month. When i moved to a Health Savings account, suddenly it became 130. That was the price of the time lip i didnt likei the free market all of a sudden. Tor. Lipitor. I didnt like the free market all of a sudden. I found out they were different statin drugs and they were different prices and the Insurance Companies pay different prices. It took a bit of research. The Healthcare Industry is the price isstry where the actually a trade secret. You cant get the price. Go to the doctor and say, how much do you charge the Insurance Companies for this . He wont tell you, because you cant tell you, because it is a trade secret. You cant have a free market when no one knows the cost. Ultimately, my doctor, we switched to a generic. Not everybody can, and it ended up being 11 per month. Think, less than 20 per month. Downt from 130 per month 120 or whatever it is. Why . Because i had information that helped my doctor. I knew about my own health and i understood much better how to control cholesterol. Because it doesnt get controlled just by medication. If everybody controls their health obviously im talking about chronic diseases you can control different aspects of you health to the degree can. An informed consumer will know that there are different treatment options. Iftely, if anybody anybody has been involved in the health care system, ultimately you have to do it. You have to find the right doctors, you have to find the right information, and you have to do it. And i went to the doctor he said, why are you taking this time to learn about these statin drugs . I said, because youre not going to think about me until the next time i come back. I just decided to take care of my own health. That is a small example of how the market works could work. Right now there are no downward cost pressures on drug prices. If there is no incentive for the price to go down, of course they will keep going up. I explained in the book a lot of reasons for that. Ppms cause it. The bigger discount they get from the drug companies, that is how their salaries are paid. The biggestet discount, and then i will get paid more money, but the consumer does not save that money. It goes into the hands of the pharmaceuticals and also into the pharmacy benefit managers and not the consumer. Because the power is not with consumer in health care. Host the book is titled still right, and rick tyler writes the following. The redefinition of conservative conservatism continued. Conservatism had meant to i come to mean supporting the policies of donald trump. That meant adopting a wall on americans southern border, a singlepayer health care system, a radical skepticism of free trade, withdrawing from nato, and promoting easy money policies from the federal reserve. Host lets go to robert from clearwater, florida. Good morning. Caller good morning and thanks for taking my call. All of these people going against trump, somebody scribbled stuff over it. Somebody is afraid of something. I think trump is going to get elected. I think he is going to get elected big. Guy, he sits there, he reads from a script. By then, he is not in good health, for one thing. They are trying to scare people like, do we know Social Security . That is baloney. Everybody that works puts into Social Security. When i was working for the garbage company, they would take out for Social Security. That will never run out. Theyre trying to scare all people. They shouldnt put advertisements like that on tv to scare the older people. Host we will get a response. Thank you, robert. Guest thanks, robert. My book is not about donald trump. And itbout conservatism is a weighty defense of conservatism. I do juxtapose many of trumps policies against conservatism and they dont measure up. I dont meet the test, many of them. ,rade, immigration protectionism, all of these these are not conservative philosophies. , youregard to the election mentioned Social Security. Social security will run out of money. That is what the actuaries say, but they have been saying that for years. In a sense you are right. It will not run out of money because the government is not going to allow it to run out of money. They will eventually fund it because, yes, he did pay into it, that you dont have an actual Social Security account. When you put that money in, it just goes into the general fund. Scribbled up and shoved in a drawer in the file somewhere in west virginia. It is all on paper and it has worked fine until and Social Security has been a promise to seniors. Seniorst want social to retire and poverty. I think that is a goal americans can share. The question is, is it the best way to keep americans from retiring in poverty . Make the case in the book i dont talk about Social Security in great depth, other than i dont want to undermine Social Security or get rid of it but i do think there are ways to bye Social Security stronger using market forces. I know people get crazy about that, but if you dont want a root to retire into poverty, then you got to take youve got to pay yourself first. Ive got people that say, how can i pay myself first . Im barely making ends meet. How would i become an investor . Dot question is this you go to starbucks . 80 of the people say yes, i go to starbucks. I say to them, if you go to starbucks, could you give up one latte a day . I dont know, be accurate. If you could give up one latte a is, over two years that 3600. Thats not a lot of money, but yearoveryear when you are investing can add up to an awful lot of money. It is a choice that people have. We dont teach that choice. He wont go to your local high school, grade school, whatever. Dont teach people how to be prosperous. Dave ramsey teaches people how to be prosperous. He tried to sell his show i know many of you are familiar he teaches people how to manage their money and get out of debt. He couldnt sell that radio show to anybody, so he invested his own money and he owns it now and i think he is one of the top 10 talkers in the u. S. Why . People found he had a powerful message, that he was helping people to get out of debt, to control their money, to pay themselves and be prosperous and hopefully not retire into poverty. We dont want anyone to do it. I think conservatism, there is an answer there i dont think it provides all of the answers, but it is currently much better than the less than 1 return on Social Security. By the way, i often ask these people, where is the Social Security money going . It goes to one group of people. It is white women. White women, why . Because they live the longest. The Group Tickets hurts hurt the most black men. Because black men live at least longest. On a lifetime basis, black men can transfer 10,000 or more dollars of their wealth as robert said, that money was promised to them they die early and he goes to the people who live longest. That tends to be white women. Is that a fair system . I dont think so. Host our guest is rick tyler, joining us from his home in virginia. He has worked for ted cruz and House Speaker knew english. Newt gingrich. Your quick analysis of the South Carolina senate race. This is the headline from the newspaper in South Carolina. Havingk political report moving it from likely republican to lean republican. Senator Lindsey Graham has been there for a long time. Gone throughm has some sort of metamorphosis, because he used to be one of the most proimmigrant senators there and he still claims he is, yet he supports the policies of donald trump on immigration. I think there is a lot of holes to be poked into senator graham. There is a large africanamerican population and senator graham is running against an africanamerican. Leaning republican means that senator graham will probably still be a senator. If he is not, if he is beaten, i think you will see a lot of it wont just be Lindsey Graham. It will be joni ernst and the senator from arizona, who is probably going to get beaten anyway. It will be susan collins. If senator graham gets beaten, you are looking at a landslide election throughout the country. We may know that early, we may not. Host lets get back to your phone calls. Jay, from indiana. Caller thank you so much for che for taking my call. And for cspan. Ab mr. Tyler can straighten me out on the robert work bork point. My recollection of the robert bork appointment and rejection was not so much that he was an originalist, wasnt he the firingwho supported Archibald Coxe during the watergate hearings . That is my recollection. Im wondering if it was a question of ideology or other it was that which drove his rejection. My second question is, i am wondering who mr. Tyler is going to vote for. Thank you so much. Think you are right on the Archibald Coxe. I would have to refresh my history on that, because i think he host he was the solicitor general and then line after the attorney general and Deputy Attorney general resigned. Guest my recollection is that i dont remember that issue coming up at all. That was a long time ago. I remember that, because he was prolife, we had absurd statements on what that was going to mean for women. To be fair to robert bork, they really went after him. He went through his trash, they saw what will be cemented, what magazines they subscribe to. Robert bork was pretty squeaky clean. I dont think that that was the issue. It was the first time that they had decided and it was basically senator ted kennedy from acid juice its who launched a campaign against robert bork. They all went in on it and joe biden did initially too, but then he backed off. Wanted to hear from robert bork before he made his decision. He was running for president at the time, which is interesting because he had the spotlight for about two weeks. Ollieoint out, it was the north Committee Hearings changed everything after that. You know, id and had some troubles in his president ial race then. On record and written an oped about it you can find that oped on my website and the biden iss titled joe what is the question . I dont think donald trump is conservative either. Anhink donald trump is existential threat to the security of the United States. Because of all the things he does. I dont need to recite them. Donaldhis way trump is the alligator that is closest to my utopian boat, which is my conservative philosophy. I think he is a threat to that conservative philosophy. So how is my conservative philosophy antivoting for biden . I think we will get back to it much quicker than if we reaffirm that donald trump is appropriate or for the president. Hes not. Won hisarding actually senate race, which came on the in of the 1918 pandemic and world war i. Turn to was normalcy. He won. I hear that refrain often with biden. Return theen would country to normalcy. He is the president of the United States and we do have checks and balances and we discussed earlier why it is out of balance, donald trump would not like to do everything he would like to do. He is finding that out. Unfortunately, the Congress Needs to check in. Particularly my party. They have not checked him at all. They really needed to do that from the outset. I think they have hurt themselves and i think they will pay for it in the election. Host rick tyler, the book is still right. Air Traffic Controllers are sending a number of planes overhead. We appreciate you being with us. Romney is joining us from new york. Good morning. Caller good morning. Guest hey, ronnie. You have a Great Library there. Hope to come visit sometime. Caller hope you do too. We would love to have you as our guest. So, actually you addressed one of the things i was going to ask you about. In your book you tell the story of beverly and her situation and how conservatives are often thought not to really be interested in social programs. So, you want to speak a little i know you spoke about Social Security, but i am also interested in the fact that a leftf democrats are not and they are not totally right. They can be, sometimes, some of thems are a little conservative. . Ow do you see that also, what do you see with conservatism moving forward . In the future . Whether the present president is inlected or biden wins november . Thank you so much for taking my call too. Host thank you for the questions. I want to put on screen what you wrote and give you a chance to respond to that. You say, we hear a lot about the 1 . And while there is a gap between the very rich and very poor, most americans today live a quality of life their grandparents could not have imagined. Year putof 32,400 per you in the 1 of income earners worldwide. Holds one states quarter of the worlds wealth because of our freedoms. To all of these points, your reaction. Steve, whypoint out, conservatism and republicans earning wealtht and creating wealth. People are confused about what Wealth Creation is. Something had been the other day mr. Bezos, whout owns amazon and the washington post. Should he have all this money . Amazon was a company that did not make a lot of money for 10 years. Now it makes a lot of profit and he is a billionaire. He is probably the richest man on earth. Greatswer is, because he the best Distribution System in the world and he didnt. That sounds inadequate, that is the truth. So, i want a system and amazon will not be the end all and be all, neither will google, and neither will microsoft. Other companies will take their place. All mark replaced all works. People dont see that now walmart replaced woolworths. People dont see that now. Apple was a Little Company that barely made it and all of a sudden it is a very dominant company. It will not always be that way. Ronnie mentioned i will mention the other side ronnie mentioned beverly. Beverly is someone we got to know from our church. Passed, so i can tell her story. She was very smart. She was from massachusetts. She was a nurse, so she had to be smart. She was so interesting. She struggled with Mental Health issues. She ended up homeless. So, we took her in my shield lived here for a while. , physical, health problems. I think that is because im trying to focus on myself often i hear that conservatives, they dont they are just interested in the creed, profit, and they dont help anybody. Just go to any local church or synagogue or mosque and you will find us of conservative people there and they are doing stuff everyday that helps people. Doesnt make the news because helping people get food or helping people make repairs you know, my wife is one of these angels that befriends people who need a friend and who need help. I always say, if everybody just , or if evenerson half the people helped one person, then everybody would be helped. He just need enough people to help other people. There are millions that do that every single day. They are not all conservatives, do not get me wrong. But conservatives are out there helping people. Enought talk about that because so, to pick up on beverly, beverly needed to get on section nine housing. Housing,d housings so it was very difficult. Have to hire a lawyer. It is too difficult for one person to go out and qualify for section nine housing. She was not capable of doing this. She couldnt do it. It wasnt going to happen. We needed to get her help. Then i ran across somebody else i knew who i learned was on disability, yet i knew him very well and he was not incompetent. He was so competent he filled out all of the paperwork himself. Thatverly got lost in system. She was not getting any help because no one was helping her, and yet, my other friend, who was competent to do a lot of things yes, he had a disability, but there were a lot justings he could do decided that he was not going to work anymore. He was going to give up. That really bothered me, juxtaposing those two cases, because beverly was not going to get better. I know people today who, they are not going to get better. You could say, could you do this, could you do that . For a lot of people that is true, for most people that is true, but for some people that is never going to be true. They are always going to need help. So, conservatives, we talk about, how do we help people . And not just government help . The philosophy is this. I remember when there was a news story after Superstorm Sandy in new york where the mayor bought everybody a turkey for thanksgiving. And they did out this wonderful story about the turkey. It seemed like a nice story, but when you think about it, the politicians took your taxpayer money and bought a turkey, which you did not choose to buy, and gave it to somebody else. That sounds nice, it didnt change the heart of anybody. To change the heart you actually have to give of yourself. When taxpayers im not advocating for getting rid of any welfare programs. Everybody calm down. When you give your money and taxes, you can walk by the homeless person and say, my taxes take care of that for the sick, the infirm, the imprisoned we have a lot of problems. We can walk by them. Why . Because we pay taxes. To change the heart you actually have to give of yourself. Journal,s washington every day, discussing policy issues that impact you. Coming up monday morning, we will talk about Coronavirus Relief legislation and the fall congressional agenda with bloomberg reporter eric rawson. 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