For the next hour we will be focusing on one aspect of covid19. Its impact on education for teachers for students for parents through preschool through college. If you are a professor or college administrator. 20288 800 o. For all others 2024788002. Send us a tweet at cspan w. J. Or join us on facebook at facebook. Com. Good friday evening. We thought it would be important to talk about the impact on education. But first we want to begin with the numbers. Courtesy of John Hopkins University which has been keeping track of the vie us are. We are now at 1. 1 million cases across the world. Here in the United States quickly approaching 275,000 cases. And now with more than 7,000 confirmed deaths in our country. His is the headline from the wall street journal as u. S. Employers cut off 700,000 jobs. If we continue with these kind of figures it could show the largest ever onemonth decline. Thanks for being with us on this friday evening. These really are stunning numbers. Yes, they are. Thank you for having me. Host what does that tell you . Unfortunately, were seeing the tip of the iceberg. 700,000 jobs lost. Thats the most weve seen since the Great Recession of a decade ago. But next month its going to be stunning. Economists are predicting as many as 20 million jobs lost. Thats never happened in the u. S. If these shutdowns continue that will be close to the number we might see. We are seeing the administration talking about the checks that will be administered but also unemployment benefits. Yesterday 6. 6 million americans applying for unemployment. And that on top of the 3. 3 million the week before yes, and we are expecting another 4 million. E learned about layoffs at underarmour. But americans are having trouble filing for benefits especially in new york. There are people that have been laid off and still cant get through to tap into some of those benefits. Host no surprising that the Leisure Tourism and Hospitality Industry at about 459,000. Healthcare and social assistance at 61,000 which is a surprise to see that number. Professional and Business Services and job loss at 52,000 and retail at 46,000. Yeah, about half the jobs lost last month were at restaurants. And then another about 40,000 at hotels an tourism type businesses. So i think that was probably largely expected given that those were the first businesses impacted even before formal shutdowns. The healthcare one that one shocked me. Its at doctors offices, dentists offices. Were not talking about job lost at hospitals. Most of those places are closed. Host as you talk to different people, at some point well be beyond the pandemic. So what does the recovery look like in the coming months . Eric yeah, well, there are two stories. Theres a hope that there will be a rush out that people will be excited to take vacation this is summer, go to baseball games, go to football games, concerts and things like that. But its a bit of a question if people will have the confidence. When will we get the allclear . Or will there be a period of uncertainty. Economists think its going to take a couple of years. Probably not the end of 2022 will we see the labor market to where we were in february. I think a lot of people will getting their jobs back. But some businesses will fail and some businesses will try to do more with fewer workers to boost profits after theyve taken deep losses this quarter. Host a couple of years . Eric yes, to return to the historically strong labor market we had in february, its going to take probably until the ends of 2022 to gain all those jobs back because to put it in perspective for you, were expected to lose all the jobs that we gained over the past decade in the next month. 20 million jobs. Its a tremendous number. And it will take years to recover from. Host all of this adding to a debt approaching 25 trillion for the u. S. How does that impact all of this . Eric oh, yes, that is rising to astronomical levels. Were sort of borrowing against our future at this point, you know . So well see. It will probably you know that will be a big youth come because the next president will have to deal how do we approach this . Taxing . Nsider raising host whether those checks have 1,200 depending if you have children for those making anywhere between 75,000 or 99,000 or less, any concern that this would be delayed for those who need it the most . Eric theres some growing frustration against state officials because they have not received the funds that they were promised by the federal government to pay an additional 600 a week. In terms of someone lost their 600, a week, some workers say hey, i need that now. Thats not a clear sign that theyll receive maybe until the middle of this month. Host eric morath, he covers labor and economic issues. We thank you for being with us. Eric sure, thanks for having me. Host joining us from los angeles is ted mitchell, hes the president of the American Council on education. Thank you for being with us. Love being with you. Host can you give us a sense of what colleges and universities are facing both with students taking Classes Online having to provide refunds about room and board and the uncertainty that we can expect in the months ahead . Its a work in progress as eric suggested a moment ago. The longterm impacts on the economy will have impact on Higher Education already are having an impact on Higher Education. From the college and university perspective, the First Priority has always been the safety of students, staff, and faculty. You and i were talking about colleges moving their students off campus and moving them home and moving very, very quickly to online instruction. The majority of students are experiencing in one form or another of online instruction. Universities have moved swiftly, decisively and compassionately to serve their students and their communities. Host but how do colleges prepare for this moment . Yeah, its a great question. You know, there are emergency eparedness and there are emergencies of a variety of kinds. There are earthquakes, floods, fires. California as president of Occidental College and we had emergency procedures in place for this. Indemics, thats harder. State governments and city governments, we have been trying to make our Emergency Preparedness work in the pandemic. The biggest difference is the contagion part. Host some schools, Liberty University trying to defy the stayathome order. Whats your reaction to that . I think they are misguided. Host as you look at where were heading, what will the fall term look like . Its an important question. College and University President s, im on the phone with many of them every day are beginning to turn their attention toward the fall as the moment in which there will be a restart. I dont want to say going back to business as usual because as eric was indicating, business as usual is aspirational. In Higher Education we will learn many things over the course of this crisis that will have an impact of how we deal with quote, unquote regular activities Going Forward. Host he is the president of American Council on education. Hes a graduate of stanford. His masters and his ph. D. If you can give our audience a brief background of what youve done. Higher education is my passion. And i have as you mentioned earlier served as a College President at occidental at ucla. I had the privilege of serving as the under secretary of education under the Obama Administration. In between that, ive been working with the venture philanthropy firm that was engaged on developing online higher aterials for education. Having flashbacks of that as we speak. Host the 2. 3 trillion bill that the president signed into law that will include money. The numbers include 12. 6 billion for institutions and about 350 million for those institutions hit hard. What will this money be used for . Yeah, and were very grateful to congress and the president for the cares act. And it is a good down payment on emergency funds well need to help Higher Education sustain itself in the next, in the next 12 months. In the immediate instance these funds we regard them as emergency funds. So the 12 billion that you talk about is roughly divided half and half between students and institutions. The Student Money goes to students. And students will use that to pay for emergency expenditures including travel home, including unexpected rentals of dormitories and apartments. That kind of things. Theyll use it to pay for groceries in unfortunately, too many cases. The institutional money will be used by institutions to support their efforts to respond to the immediate part of the crisis. You mentioned one earlier refundses to students. Institutions are rallying. Provide refunds to residential students for room and board and tuition. And thats money that comes right out of the operating budget. Those are dollars that are used to pay staff, pay faculty, keep the facilities open. We see these funds to support students and to supports support employment. Host there are many aspects of of the coronavirus pandemic. First and foremost is the Public Health issue that weve been focusing on. Tonight, we wanted to focus on the educational aspect. Your call, heather, from winthrop, minnesota. Good evening. Caller hello. Im just calling. Im a High School Special education teacher, and before we closed our schools, you know, my job was supporting kids and trying to get them to succeed in school. And now, that weve gone to distance learning, im finding that were in a rural area, were having a lot of difficulty with like the infrastructure of wifi. Families might think that, oh, yeah, we have wifi, but once they get four of their kids trying to stream online, theyre really hitting some road blocks. Theres a lot of frustration. But everybody obviously trying to do whats best for kids and working on making things. So what what advice can you give to those of us who are trying to continue to teach kids while this is going on . Thank you. Host how many children do you have, by the way . Well, i i have 15 to 20 kids on my case low. My special ed case load. But im not a parent. So im not thankfully im not trying to teach my own biological children and my students at the same time, which some people are trying to do. Host thank you for the call. Thank you for the call and thank you for the work that you do. A couple of quick points. I wish i had the magic answer here. But a couple of things. And i can certainlyer sice, weve got three College Students and College Professor working on our internet at home. So if i black out, steve, youll forgive me. I think that rural Internet Access in some communities like here in los angeles even urban Internet Access is a big deal. Arne duncan and i have put together an oped that should be running shortly that talks about this this very issue. The s. E. C. Is involved. And theres an effort in congress to provide immediate funding to help with the rural and the urban Internet Access problem through the provision of hot spots. We need corporation from the big Telecom Providers to do that. I urge us all to be on that bandwagon. But the amount of curriculum thats Available Online is pretty substantial. I think that special ed teachers like yourself, find yourself in a difficult situation because so much of the work that you do do so successfully is handson. Its very interactive. So i think youre at a triple disadvantage if you think about just the basic issues, the internet issues and the field of special ed. I know the department has loosened some of its regulations on telehealth and telemedicine to make it possible for you to bring more resources to your tudents and i encourage you to buy into those. The best thing that all educators can do is stay close to each other and rely on our community of professionals to provide insight and support. So thanks for calling, heather. And again, thanks for your work. Host a parent from leonardtown, maryland. Good evening. Joe. Caller thank you for having me. You really sound like a great educator. Ill leave it at that. Were teaching our kids at home. Were the teachers, having never been teachers. Kids dont want to listen to you anyway because were poor parents. We dont have that relationship that kids want to eat everything we do. They want to buck us all the time. Now you have to teach your kids and do the work. This isnt a good situation. My mom never touched my books. Which is the other end of the spectrum. Anyway, i just think that the teachers and the parents maybe we need to be openminded. This is an untraveled road. Be patient. I dont know if i have much of a question. Ut boy, ive got a lot to say. I feel like were in uncharted territory and dont be surprised if theres a dummy that comes up with something smart. Its going to take all of us together. I heard dr. Lee and i wrote a song actually. But anyway, thank you for everything. You seem like an amazing educator, sir. Thank you. Host no, joe, were glad to hear from you. We do want to move on because we have a College Professor on the phone from akron, ohio. John, youre next. Dr. Mitchell, a couple of questions because just as you said earlier, the fall semester is the big thing on our minds right now with regards to whats going to be happening here. Ill ask you two quick questions. And what do you think the effect on tuition is going to be . Because on the one hand theres going to be right now with what we know everything going on economically a question of what parents and students can afford. So what will be the impact there . And then also the fact that there could very potentially be an entire semester, who knows . An entire year taught remotely or even something where were having to begin the semester teaching normal, traditional style and then as flu season kicks in, we decide we have to switch will that affect the customers or the parents or the students willingness how will both of these factors in your mind affect affect the tuition question . Dr. Mitchell thanks a lot. I thought you had another one which is International Students. Many of our campuses are enriched by Cultural Diversity of having International Students on campus. Were very watchful if this epidemic does not obey, state lines or county lines or national borders. Were quite concerned about that dynamic as well. Couple of quick answers or thoughts. We do anticipate we will see increased student mobility in the fall as many students will want to be going to college closer to home. I think that we will see students who feel that they dont have the economic wherewithal to continue their education. We hope that the federal government will step forward and help us, help those students and families because we do know, again, this goes back to the fundamentals of the economic report that families ability to pay is going to decrease in many, many instances. And so theres that magical piece that you know. The estimated family contribution to Higher Education. And we anticipate that that is going to go way up and that institutions whether theyre public or private will need to address that and and we hope the federal government will help us help those families supplement what theyre already paying for Higher Education. Host we welcome our cspan radio listeners. We welcome dr. Ted mitchell, joining us via zoom from los angeles. And lori in green bay, wisconsin. Youre next. Caller as a person who highly values education. I just started telemedicine which i love. However, i have two children yet in college that are both home now and learning remotely. One was in the talks in his last year of observe teaching and then student teaching. And he will need to have so many hours. He already was backed up once with an accident. And im hoping he doesnt get too backed up again. Do you have any idea how it will be handled like with student teaching or when i was in nursing practice, you had clinical, that handson education. Host lori, thanks for what youre doing. Well get a response. The telemedicine is going well. Youve got your finger on a which is ortant issue how do you handle Clinical Training in psychology and teaching in medicine, nursing, dentistry, veterinary medicine. Its all very similar. The rules are governed by specialized acreditors. And im happy to say weve been working with the acreditors to think about alternatives to the clinical hours particularly in teaching where we know interestingly and ironically we need more teachers and more nurses faster than we are producing them. So we will never compromise on quality. But people are taking a hard look on other ways other than just the strict clinical hours to demonstrate their quality craft. So thats a long way of saying stay tuned. But also some encouragement, i hope to you especially for your son. But were working on the issue. Host our next caller is barbara from cherry hill, new jersey. Good evening to you. Caller good evening. Dr. Mitchell, as a retired from or having worked kindergarten all the way through to graduate school . I have a question which to graduate school. I have a question which may sound crazy. I have two grandchildren. One is majoring in science and the other is in engineering. And they both look at me, and im saying theyre about ready to go into that third year when they really need practical experience in the laboratory kind of thing. What is going to happen to those that ts as they begin critical time of saying i can do this . I got the book knowledge, but now, how do i take that book and put it in practice . Host barbara, thanks for the call. Well get a response. Yea