Transcripts For CSPAN Washington Journal 12102019 20240713 :

Transcripts For CSPAN Washington Journal 12102019 20240713

From capitol hill with congressman Kelly Armstrong, a member of the committee. You can also join the conversation on facebook and twitter. Washington journal is next. Host the view of what is known as canon rotunda as we start our Washington Journal Program for today. It is today House Democrats will unveil two articles of a b of impeachment. Obstruction of justice other on abuse of power. You can watch that on cspan. You can follow along at cspan. Org. If you havent done so already, download the radio app and listen as you are out and about. Up until the time of the press conference at 9 00, we will take your calls on this move by House Democrats on articles of impeachment and here is how you can let us know what you think. 2027488001 for republicans. Emocrats, 2027488000 and independents, 2027488002. If you want to text us, you can do so at 2027488003. Post on our twitter feed at cspanwj and you can post on facebook at facebook. Com cspan. Here to walk us through what might be expected later on this morning as these articles are reportedly set to be unveiled is john mcardle. We will all find out together what articles of impeachment look like in about two hours. Until then, here is the latest reported. Times. Om the new york sources have noted plans are not finals, but officials told the New York Times they are focused on two articles of impeachment that mr. Trump violated his oath of office by putting political concerns over National Interest. The charges would be announced at the 9 00 eastern rest conference taking place in the rayburn room off the house floor outside the House Chamber and here is the notice of that press newshour, from pbs posting that notice from nancy notice who ise, at the hearing, the five chairman of the five key congressional committees investigating Jerrold Nadler investigating the president. Jerry Jerrold Nadler, adam fromf, ohlone taking over Elijah Cummings after his passing earlier this fall. Atine waters will also be that press conference, the chair of the Financial Services committee. There will be three democratic members from california and three democratic members from new york. In terms of the timing of what happens here, the Washington Post with their reporting. Under the current plan, the Judiciary Committee would vote on articles on thursday according to two people familiar with the matter setting up a and somee next week comparative history from fox news, a tweet earlier this morning noting back to the clinton impeachment during the 1998 markup session, that ran two days. The Committee Approved 4 articles of impeachment, defeating 2 on the house floor. The Judiciary Committee entertained five articles for president nixon in 1974, but only approved three although some reporting today the articles of impeachment could expand. This from politico noting some democrats are still pushing for an obstruction of justice charge , which would likely encompass both the ukraine scandal and trumps multiple alleged attempts to thwart Robert Muellers probe. The political story quoting jamie raskin saying there is a lot of ways imagining this, asking is an obstruction of justice charge could be added to the obstruction of charge of congress charge and President Trump violated his oath of office. Two more tweets on that subject. Voteext of the resolution may have some reference to Robert Mueller and his investigation, but most people think democrats have enough on the ukraine issue and do not want to relitigate mueller. Cbsmore on this topic from news, even as House Democrats appear ready to focus on the two proposed articles of impeachment, some wanted the charge stemming from the mueller did not support ukraine until the host our next hour will be two short visits with members of congress not only to talk about articles of impeachment, but questions from the department of justice. Up until that time, we will hear from you on articles of impeachment action by House Democrats. 2027488001 for republicans. Democrats, 2027488000. And independents, 2027488002. You can text us at 2027488003. If you would, include your name, city, and state when you do that. Ron, democrats line. What do you think about this action by House Democrats . Caller thank you for taking my call. People are saying they are rushing it, i dont think it is being rushed. I think the president got caught trying to extort an ally at war. Unlike nixon and when the republicans put the Country First and they had president nixon resigned and bill clinton apologized after he got caught, these republicans are hunkered down, the sooner we get this done, the senate will not convict, but we can move on. You cannot have a president breaking laws. Ift do you think even articles of impeachment pass in the house, do you think there will be an ability to move on, as you describe it . Caller i think so. I think you have an election coming up, the iowa caucus is a few months away, but you have to slap the president on the wrist. Likell not be man enough clinton to apologize or nixon to resign. You have to put him in check. Hat is their responsibility legislative, executive, and judicial. Host tim in michigan, you are next, hello. Caller hello. I happen to be watching msnbc yesterday and i noticed there were very few commercial breaks. Immediately going into the seventh hour, they had richard paneer make a comment on the beginning of President Trumps presidency, the articles of impeachment, he made the case for impeaching him for all the articles and i think it is noteworthy, you should put it on your screen and let people see he used to be the democrats worst nightmare. Host if you watched on our network, there would not be breaks. Are you surprised there were only two articles of impeachment . Caller yes, i think he laid it all out yesterday. Very, very convincing. Int lets hear from todd california, republican line. Caller i want to hear from the whistleblower. The whistleblower is protected from harassment, but not having his id revealed. Whistleblowers have been named for decades. With staffblower met schiff lied about that. There whistleblower is a material witness. I know his name and you know his name. Host there has been no official whistleblower revealed. I know some people present names as far as who the suppose it whistleblower might be. What do you think that person will add to what has been testified to over the last couple weeks . Caller i think the person, eric , needs to be held accountable for exactly what he and schiff put together two weeks in advance of this. Schiff is a liar. He did that parody. Host that is taught in california talking about several things leading up to the actions of today, the events of today, two articles of impeachment set to be unveiled by House Democrats. 9 00 is when that is expected. We will show that on the network and you can watch it on the. Org. Monique from washington, d. C. , democrats line, hi. Caller i was sitting on my hands about the impeachment of donald trump, but the more i listen to the judiciary hearing and the intelligence hearing, the democrats have their stuff together. All they asked were fact questions and the only thing republicans really did was screamed and yelled and talked about this and that and ukraine that. This is something that is really serious. I agree with the first couple callers that called in. The third guy rambled off nothing but conspiracy theories. If you listen, he said fox news. Fox is entertainment. I would not take anything they say seriously. Host for what democrats presented yesterday, what stood out . What was a fact that stood out in your mind . Caller it was the congressman he was asking the attorney led this situation, all he said was trump. The question he was asking and the gentleman was saying trump. When he was asking those questions, it made me feel as if the gentleman was telling the truth because whenever he said i am losing the words. Host that is monique and washington, d. C. If you want to watch that hearing, go to our website. We go back to john mcardle. Guest host 2 want to bring reactionptodate on from congress. Democratic members of Congress Pretty quiet on twitter about untilexpected to be so that News Conference happens at 9 00 a. M. There are reports democratic members are meeting at 8 00 a. M. In the Judiciary Committee to have one last discussion before that 9 00 a. M. Press conference. Some tweets about the articles of impeachment mostly from republicans, this is andy biggs, a member of the duty Share Committee during the afternoon saying a democrat said it is their duty to find truth, but democrats have been working on articles of impeachment, fulfilling a goal they have had for years, that is not a truth search for truth. This is kevin mccarthy, the minority leader in the house, the speaker ordered chairman nadler to draft articles of impeachment, but lets not pretend this hasnt been their plan from the start. This from doug collins, the Ranking Member on the Judiciary Committee saying that committee is not able to do what we need to do because democrats made as a rubber stamp. The speaker of the house said go right articles. One more from Thomas Massie of kentucky asking whether folks will prattle about emoluments after the articles of impeachment are drafted and they dont even mention emoluments. This from Katherine Clark replying to a tweet from President Trump saying read the transcript, this is what Katherine Clark said, we did, that is why we are drafting articles of impeachment. Some reaction from you this morning to this news we are expecting at 9 00 a. M. Eastern from middleton saying the articles do not matter to Trump Supporters because they are dug in and will not take the truth and their excuse for the president. One more from rich saying they will focus on obstruction of justice. Trump coerced his people to ignore legal subpoenas. This from glenn saying democrats are doing the exact thing that accused trump of doing, trying to interfere with an election. They always are doing what they are actively accusing others of doing, it is their calling card. Fred saying democrats have started talking about multiple impeachment. U. S. Citizens will have to not vote for democrats to end this stuff. Democrats are working to destroy the usa and their efforts continue today. Some reaction from twitter and facebook and members of congress, we will keep looking for more throughout the program. If you are on the line, stay on the line and if you want to continue to call on these articles of impeachment, 2027488001 for republicans. 2027488000 for democrats. Independents, 2027488002. Eventtalk about this yesterday, a report coming from the Inspector General taking a look at actions of the fbi and joining us on the phone to talk about it is jeff murdock, has the lead story taking a look at the warrant application looking at carter page. Good morning. Guest thank you for having me. Host can you remind viewers what the exact goal of this report was when it was put into place . Guest the exact goal was to find out if the fbi abused authority when it applied for a warrant to surveilled carter page. The president and his allies spying onat lead to his campaign, democrats have dismissed that claim and they claim President Trump has been politicizing the Justice Department and President Trump has hyped this report for over a year saying this was going to be historic and expose a lot of wrongdoing and to some degree, he was right because this report is a black eye for the fbi. Host how so . Guest it found the fisa application to surveilled carter page was riddled with errors, keygs from they left out information, they had information that contradicted other things they put in the report and they left that out, they did not present that to the judges. There were all kinds of errors and they found for one of the renewals, and fbi lawyer had doctored evidence to make sure wiretap mr. Ion to page got renewed. Ort 17 inaccuracies admissions, was their explanation from leadership on why these mistakes were being made . Guest there is no explanation nor is there an explanation from Michael Horowitz who spent 18 months on this investigation and he says he could find no direct evidence of bias, but also could not find another explanation to account for why these top agents, these highlevel fbi officials, everybody in this investigation could make this many mistakes and this level of serious mistakes and that is very concerning and he even points out you have three handpicked teens of the top agents reporting to some of the highest level supervisors in an investigation, they know they would be scrutinized and at best, this was extraordinarily sloppy and that is the best you can probably say. Host the name Christopher Steele comes up very often. What did the report have to summarize about his actions . Guest it found his work was unreliable, he had a history of knew unreliable, the fbi his work was unreliable, they had evidence it was unreliable and they kept that from the fisa court, which they are required to submit all kinds of evidence that may contradict contradict or run counter to the evidence submitted. Lindsey graham compared what the fbi did to a prosecutor withholding dna evidence or withholding fingerprint evidence that may exonerate somebody and i thought that was a good example because that points to how egregious what the fbi did. Host when it comes to what many have focused on in the release of the report, the political motivations of this activity, what was said in the report about that . Guest the report found there was no direct evidence of political bias and that means there was no documentary evidence, no testimonial evidence, but the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence. Accountingve another. If this was not motivated by political bias, what was the reason . And that is the explanation i think everybody wants to know. If you look at the example of the fbi lawyer who doctored evidence, he was kicked off Robert Muellers team for a series of very bad antitrump texts and emails he sent to his fbi friends. You have to wonder what his motivation was and you have to wonder why they were exaggerating Christopher Steeles qualifications, there was no reason to do that. You have to wonder why they had evidence and withheld it. Host if this report is out, will there ever be an s behindion of the why the mistakes or is this a done deal with the release of this report . Guest it will be interesting to see what happens tomorrow. We may get answers because Michael Horowitz will go before the senate committee, which is majority republicans led by it will beham, interesting to see what they ask him and what the next steps they take after that. I think everybody is waiting to see what mr. Horwitz says before they move forward with whatever they want to do. Whatever is going to happen will happen at the senate level because the house is focused on impeachment and controlled by the democrats. They will not call mr. Horwitz to testify. Host we heard from the attorney general and john durham, what is significant about the input into this report . Statement john durham is absolutely extraordinary. It is extremely rare he issues a statement, he never comes out and talks and he has never spoken about his investigation. That is amazing. The other thing that is interesting is he came out almost immediately and said he disagreed with one of mr. Horwitzs conclusions, that the investigation into carter page at the beginning was justified, that there was evidence to open an investigation and look into took ater and he also swipe at horwitz because in his statement, he pointed out mr. Horwitz, his authority is limited to Justice Department employees and he pointed out durham has interviewed people all over the world and also has a little more criminal Prosecution Authority than mr. Horowitz and i thought that was kind of interesting that not only is he saying he disagrees with the conclusion, but he has done more research and investigating than mr. Horwitz. Host have we heard anything from the current director of the fbi on this report and potentially what changes he might make because of its findings . Guest accompanied with the report is a fairly lengthy response from Christopher Wray and he has about a lot of reforms including overhauling the processes for pfizer and that is very key. One of the things the report found is how some of these wents happened or unchecked was because the processes in the fbi were very weak, the processes and procedures were doing things were almost as bad as anything else you could find and that is how these errors got away. One thing i think is important and important for President Trump and his allies is they have been pointing the finger at people like jim comey, Sally Sally Sally eight gates claiming they were at such a low level, he never got to them and they were unaware how bungled this investigation was and i think that goes

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