Nothing why do we have an immigration system to decide which immigrants we want to admit and build from there . We want people to be able to build their bring their spouses and other close immediate family members. We want our employers to have access to a global bullet talent, skilled individuals global pool of talent, skilled individuals. We want to continue to have a humanitarian admission program. How many people should we be offering resettlement to . We could probably do away with programs like the visa lottery and certain other ones that have outlived any useful purpose. Host what should be the goal . What do you think is the right number of immigrants coming into this country illegally each year . Guest it should be based on our and not becountry disadvantaging americans in any way if possible. To make sure people can keep their immediate Families Together if they happen to marry somebody from another country and to be able to attract this global pool of talent it is hard to set a number on that. If youre keeping your standards , youre goingng to have to have a numerical limit. There will always be more people in the world who want to come to the united states. We have to be willing to enforce the limits that we have. If we dont enforce the rules, theres no point to having rules. Host immigration is a huge topic. Towards 2020, is it focused on the right topic as the candidates talk about immigration . Guest the president will end up focusing on two things. First, how hes dealt with the crisis at the border, which is foremost in peoples minds on the immigration issue. It is an enormous challenge to communitys around the country communities across the country who have to deal with this massive influx of people coming in over the last five years. Solving that issue will be something the president is going to have to run on. I also think republicans are definey going to try to their vision for our immigration system and how they would like to see it and how we can build a system that doesnt serve us well as a nation does serve us well as a nation and still offers the promise of becoming an american citizen to many people abroad. We taken over one Million People in over one we take we take inople all over one Million People we take in over one Million People legally. Trump hass president made from the Obama Administration, resisting this idea of a more moderate level of immigration. Host what would be the impact of abolishing ice . Guest they would find that to be a mistake. Already, a number of Democratic Candidates have shied away from that. If people want to have the rules everyonenforced, recognizes the real value that as not onlyn agency a value for Public Safety and addressing problems of that small fraction of Illegal Immigrants who come here who are committing crimes getting them off of our streets, but also addressing the problem of illegal employment, fraud and our immigration system in our immigration system. Host how much new wall has been built since President Trump became president . Has he lived up to his promise of what will be built . Guest he has not achieved his goal in terms of getting more barriers at the border. Some barriers that were falling apart, the fencing in california, that has been replaced. We saw the caravan pushing through that. It was obvious that that needed to be replaced. There are some new barriers going up now, but the big problem for the president has lawsuits,resistance, and frankly, Congress Getting in the way as well, being unwilling to appropriate funding for it. Host Jessica Vaughan with us until our program ends at 10 00 eastern this morning. Republicans, 2027488001. Democrats, 2027488000. Independents, 2027488002. Ontinuing this discussion the topic of immigration and campaign 2020 as we focus on individual topics for each of our programs this week. Jerry has been waiting in grove, oklahoma. An independent. Thank you for waiting so long. Caller thank you. I agree with the lady. The talent pool we want to bring into america should be verified. It should be whatever meets the needs of this nation. One of my complaints about the whole immigration issue, no one looks back through history. Ronald reagan started the program where you had to hire only american citizens. We his own everify had five forms of verification, forms of id. License, Social Security number you had 15 days to do that verification. If you couldnt verify in 15 days and the employee was still fineded by you, you were 5,000. I was managing a store near the tijuana border. Within the first three weeks, i terminated 30 of my employees. Hrhad personnel people from in our store each week. They would pull the personnel files and look in it and check out each employee to make sure verification was done, but there was a copy of it in your file, they would look at the hire date and they would say this employee is to be terminated right now. Host you think that system works better than the voluntary everify system we have now . Caller god yes. You dont have an everify system now. Sheriff was down on the from phoenix, arizona. He went to the City Government and he was arresting illegals and 10 of the City Government were illegals. Host Jessica Vaughan . Guest youve hit the main point here on addressing ilLegal Immigration. The main reason people are coming here legally is to work illegally is to work. When we have a robust system for from hiringmployers illegal workers instead of americans that share a zone a is one of the places that succeeded arizona is one of the places that succeeded in that. They had a system to verify employees already on the payroll. They were able to reduce the number of illegal workers by 13 in just the first year. Thats according to a study done by a california think tank. Decline in the illegal population that occurred when a number of other states required everify when the federal government was doing more work enforcement in 2008 in 2009. It is one of the most effective ways we have of deterring ilLegal Immigration. Mark was on this program two weeks ago talking about the everify issue. Onts available www. Cspan. Org. Carrie in las vegas. A democrat. Good morning. Caller i was just wanting to call when the last guy was on i dont like it, these lawyers profiting off ilLegal Immigration, continuing to speak from their pocketbooks. This is about simple economics. The people coming here are good people but they come here with little education, they land in the most expensive places in america like l. A. Where i lived for 15 years how are they supposed to survive . They dont. It results in terrible schools, housing inflation half the class doesnt speak english and your kid is stuck in that. Places like brentwood, they send their kids to private school. Every ballot measure passes. Sales tax goes up your vote becomes worthless. Open borders when you have a welfare state. You have to pick one. When they say these people dont get benefits yes, they do. As soon as you have a child in america, you qualify for everything. To havere getting paid their own grandparents watch their child. What we are doing is insanity. Guest this is the reason ilLegal Immigration one main reason why ilLegal Immigration is such a problem for our country. Thats not because the people who are coming are such bad people but because on average, they tend to be less educated than americans are and are not wellequipped to succeed here, are assigned to jobs that pay less that have little upward mobility, and so, they depend on public assistance programs to a great extent. Is because there isnt access to these programs because they have children here who are american citizens. 63 of all immigrant households, including legal and illegal households, are accessing some form of public assistance. Thats because there is this disconnect in the education and skills they have and what our employers are requiring a people to support yourself. People in order to support yourself. Host can you remind viewers what the public charge rules change is . Is that something you support . Guest yes. This is a longoverdue thisation to better define concept in our Immigration Law that dates back to the 1800s, 1882 to be exact, that says the showrants we admit must they are able to be selfsufficient before they can be admitted as a public resident. Evaluated one their ability to support themselves. We have so many people in the world who want to come here. We have 4 Million People on the waiting list to been sponsored who have been sponsored waiting to get their green cards. We need to weed out those applicants who cant support themselves and the next people in line can step up and take those valued green cards. Host texas. David, a republican. Good morning. Caller thank you for taking my call. Guest. Y love the last the caller called out the fact that hes a sellout that is been bought off by somebody. I live in what used to be a mostly black community. It has been taken over. When they come to our communities, they step on us, theydont care about us, with cars andks parties until 4 00 in the morning. Host are you talking about Illegal Immigrants . Who are you referring to . David. We lost the other problem with ilLegal Immigration is because employers are still able to get away with hiring workers who are here illegally, that means ablebodied and willing workers who are legal immigrants dont have access to those Job Opportunities. They are displaced and they see their wages decline. We have four or 5 Million People whove dropped out of the labor market. Theres millions of americans who have given up looking for jobs. We have Something Like 12 million illegal aliens living in the country, most of whom are working, 8 million of them are working. You can see how this displacement occurs. Thats another reason we need to get a handle on immigration. Thats a reason we need to look at our Legal Immigration system and make sure it is not disadvantaging americans. Host dominic in new york. An independent. Good morning. Caller im a union worker, a laborer, local 79 construction. I remember when the housing crash happened, the only people who are working were Illegal Immigrants. Hourget nine dollars an and we get 37 an hour in benefits. Thats why chrysler went to mexico, they want to pay three dollars an hour down there. 75 of these illegals coming here are young men. Theyre coming here to be construction workers. They are nice people, but they are taking our jobs. Host do you blame the employers who are willing to do that or the folks who are coming here illegally . Caller something has to be done. It has to stop. We are going to lose all our jobs. Youre talking about 12 Million People . Its 30 Million People. That was figured out already. Its no 12 minute people. Guest hes hitting the nail on the head with the displacement of workers. The Construction Industry is done largely by americans and some legal immigrants. Its not that we need more Illegal Immigrants to do this work. We have enough workers who can do it and we have other ways to get things done. This is all about profits for the builders. Those homes that are built by illegal alien labor dont get any cheaper because the builders are using illegal labor. Americans are getting displaced from jobs that they can support a family on. These are not jobs americans wont do. Thats why states like pennsylvania focused on the Building Trades industry to require everify so that those employers cannot get away with bypassing american workers. Host the number cited most illegal 11 Million Immigrants. Guest we think its more like 12 million. The 11 million figure is a few years old. This been this influx at the andhwest quarter deportation levels have remained flat. The population is growing. Host Jessica Vaughan with us for another 20 minutes. If you have questions on the topic of immigration, a very broad topic, especially in the context of campaign 2020, republicans, 2027488001. Democrats, 2027488000. Independents, 2027488002. John in herndon, virginia. A democrat. Good morning. Caller it is sad that every time theres an election, immigrants become a sticking point. If youve seen every home care the peoplemerica, taking care of older people are immigrants. They are the same people who clean the roads and pick up your trash. You have to understand one thing. Immigrants are not all perfect. Some of them break the law, some come illegally, but if there were jobs here thats warrant jobs here if there werent jobs here, they wouldnt be here. Rules and sayome we will bring people every year, people would have come illegally. Come legally. Guest i agree. People are coming here to work for the most part. If we have americans and legal immigrants who also need those Job Opportunities to support their families and the level of immigration we are getting now is not lined up well with our nots Economic Needs everyone who comes here illegally is coming over the border. We get about 600,000 people a visa andenter on a sta over stay that visa. They dont go home when the submission period expires. There are about five countries that have the worst overstay rates. India andde china and mexico as well, brazil and have highespecially numbers of overstays right now. The worst overstay rate happens to be in the student and Exchange Visitor category. People on shortterm visas, guestworker visas thats another aspect of this problem that cannot be addressed with a wall. Host how is the Trump Administration trying to address that aspect . Guest if we could deter illegal hiring, that would help a lot. The administration has started a Pilot Program to Contact People to remind them that the visa is expiring, they are looking at are problems and are decreasing the number of visas. Way to to find a encourage people to leave when their period of stay has expired. Host is some of this just forgetfulness . Guest most of it is intentional. I think a lot of it happens because people think they can get away with it. Nobody is paying attention. If you come in on a visitor visa and you stay six months we probably shouldnt admit people for six months, it should be a month or so when they get an email from the government saying we want to remind you that your time is up, it will be interesting to see if this Program Result in people saying, ok, somebody is paying attention, i better go home. Host eva in georgia. A republican. Caller good morning. We arert of the matter, doctor. I am a medical doctor. I come into this perspective in the intersection of where we just spoke about the overstay we have the five countries, mexicochina, venezuela, im here at the hospital, most of my physicians, colleagues are from india and iran thesen, are the older physicians. The younger physicians, surgeons, our cardiologists, orthopedic surgeons, this is in this country, they are foreign, not american. My two young people, adult children, just finished at duke and harvard. Their roommates were from china and africa. The form i94 as a medical physician, im intersected as i teach and i practice, so i know if anybody is going to the doctor, you can see that they have foreign doctors. That has happened for the last 20 had been 30 years. We have not been producing. Cis i think cspan thank host you are going in and out. I want to give Jessica Vaughan a chance to respond. Guest she has pointed out that our educational system attracts people from all over the world. We should be proud of that. Allowing tooare many people to come in through bogus Educational Programs or people who are not likely to return home. We need to find that balance between allowing the best and brightest in making sure and making sure a Student Exchange visa doesnt become an excuse to stay here illegally. A lot of these countries need the people live educated and they have educated and invested in to return and help there. Host how much do we need to trim or add to the student visa process . Guest for the student visas in particular, we need to make sure rigorous,utions are accredited institutions where people are going to get a real education and not allow these diploma mills to bring in people under the guise of an education. Host is that where most of the students are coming in . Clear,not most, to be but its tens of thousands of people who come in under these programs. They have a program called the Optional Practical Training Program that allows people to stay on and work for a couple of during and after the conclusion of their studies. We need some better regulations to make sure that program is really training, the people are going home at the conclusion of notand that employers are using that program to bypass american workers. Website torg is the check out the center for immigration studies. Brian in michigan, an independent. Caller im working on the lake here. If i go out 50 miles, im in canada. We dont go out 50 miles because its disrespectful to canada. We have a bunch of politicians, mainly democrats, but enough republicans who dont respect our own laws. Are feeling as a country we are capitalist