Who takes those drugs, why they had the effect that they did, its something were still wrestling with. The technology of drugs. Imperative not just of the 60s, but of the projection of history. The incredible ability to change the directory of society. Call to talk about the social movements of the 60s leading up to what stock and its legacy. What stock, 50 years. Sunday on washington journal. Also live on American History tv on cspan3. Watch book tv for live coverage of the National Book festival saturday, august 31 starting it 10 00. Our coverage includes interviews with Ruth Bader Ginsburg on her book. David troyer on his Sharon Robinson talks about her book. The National Book festival, Live Saturday august 31 at 10 00 eastern. Host this is Adam Andrzejweski, the founder and ceo of organization an organization of openthebooks. Com. Guest great to be on the program. These conversations are the most important. Host how was it founded . Guest i found it openthebooks. Com to put every dime on mine it our goal is to capture every dollar taxed and spent. That is federal spending, state spending and local spending. Last year, in december we captured every Public Employee salary record at every level of government across the country. Employee salary record at every level of government across the country. If you are listening, everyone watching the program, if they want to see in their local School Districts what Public Employees are making in each position for what public body, they can come to our website and take a look. Host whered you get information . Six to 3000led requests last year on every substantial public body in the record. To compile this we have done it this year. You can search two years of that file for fiscal year 2017 and 2018. Host talk about the organization. Who are you funded by . And why you decided to go with this information . Guest we believe the open Government Movement is revolutionizing public policy. That is where we come from. We are funded by people that our an it just in promoting mission. We take our charts from the constitution, the founding document, article one section nine, which states a regular account of the receipts and expenditures of all public money shall the published from time to time shall be published from time to time. Not enough has been done with our fundamental constitutional right to transparency. Our organization is the strongest voice in the country for aggressive transparency and oddity of expenditures. Example, notn transparent enough when it comes to this kind of details. Guest everyone will remember the scandal at the v. A. When 1000 veterans died while waiting to see dr. Over a tenyear period. One we audited the vhf, we found Veterans Affairs had spent 20 million on highend luxury our portfolio. We found 700,000 worth of sculptures were purchased by a v. A. Medical facility that serves blind veterans. When this went to good morning america, Chuck Grassley on the Senate JudiciaryCommittee Picked it up. Wrote an oversight letter to robert mcdonald, who stopped the practice on a basis and apologized. Host when it comes to the idea of deficit, when you go to the debt clock, which we show, we see a 22 trillion national debt. How do you attribute how we got to that . How do we get there . Thet both parties feel fastest to get to reelection is spend money. Rob you have republicans castigating democrats, yet republicans have proven they are the party of tax cut in spent and both parties are spending. That is how we get to this point. Host if you want to ask questions about spending and debt issues, you can join the conversation by giving us a call. ,epublicans 202 7488001 democrats 202 7488000, and independents 202 7488002. Want to talk about the budget deal signed recently for 2019. First, one of the elements of that is suspending the debt ceiling through july 2021. Talk about your impressions. What does that move do for debt . Aest the debt ceiling slaps debt on spending. When you remove that, the gravy train can continue. The budget deal negotiated between representative pelosi and Chuck Schumer and the president and steven mnuchin, basically will add 350 to spending over the next two years. Just a little history, since 2016, you have record income Tax Collections even after the jump tax cut. On a nominal basis, you have more money coming into the treasury than before in the country. Since 2016, during trump, two years of Republican Controlled Congress and one year with the houseats in control of appropriations, you have a 20 increase in discretionary spending. Spending we do not have a revenue problem. We have a spending problem. Talk the reversals you about the details. What do you recommend as the cure if the organization does sell . Guest there was a proposal in front of the senate. Rand paul put forward a any cut plan. It would reduce spending each year by one penny. That was a republican controlled senate. It was voted down because of the lack of republican commitment to basic plan. That would have gone a long way to raining in the overspending. Host just a penny . How does that work . Guest in our households, we live we can always cut one penny or 1 from what we spent last year. That is all rand paul was asking. After the Republican Controlled Congress hikes spending over the course of last year by 300 billion in spending, he was on discretionary spending, cut a penny. These were republicans that ran on fiscal conservatism could not embrace the plan. Host there is a story in several papers about the budget gap. The headline from the wall street journal says it is wide. The Treasury Department said federal receipts rose 3 from october to july, totaling 2. 9 trillion. This goes back to whether we have a revenue problem or spending problem. Since 2016, collections of , forecasted by the congressional budget office. By the time trump leaves office, they will be up 13 . , spendingame period will be up by 20 . Guess is here to talk about spending our guest is here to talk about. If him a call, 202 7488001 four republicans, 202 7488000 , for democrats and independents 202 7488002. Do you get any attention from those on capitol hill on these issues . Guest we do. Today i have a meeting to brief the office of management and budget at the eisenhower executive building. Thanks to your show pedro and aher con programs, we put white spotlight on waste dong drawn corruption and it makes a difference. Host who do you talk to . Guest i do not have the contact names in my head but the senior officials. Host how does your Organization Get a meeting . Guest we have briefed omb over the last couple years on our work. We have briefed members of congress and u. S. Senators on our work. Because of our work federal legislation one in the house and one in the senate now. Would bringouse transparency for the First Time Ever for the roughly 100 billion dollars worth of federal bonuses paid out to the federal workforce every year. Now all of those bonuses are hated. On this program, we broke our oversight report on 100 billion spent in the human spending spree in september 2018 in the last month of the fiscal year. Year, last week of the one out of every 10 contracts final week. That joni ernst has written a piece of legislation. She will attach it to the budget onl that would prevent that a go forward basis. This is the kind of access and influence our organization is having. Host did you talk to senator ernst directly . Guest i have only communicated with her staff. We cooperative and oped published in the Washington Examiner on this issue. Guest another piece of data data youther piece of keep track of, and here is one of the factoids. 1. 3 million plus employees worked in the federal executive agencies and that was 2018. That was up from 1. 39 427. That is a lot of people. Talk about that number. Host this is breaking data. Guest this is the breaking data. One of the president s signature quote was to ring the small and whether the president is achieving Success Campaign promise is the headcount in the executive agencies. Over the course of the last seven months, we have wrangled with the office of prince personal management to get a response of production of the 1. 3 million executive agencies of federal workers the bureaucrats that work in the consecutive agencies and we received that two weeks ago. As we distill that information, here is what we found. Versus thent in 2018 swamp the president inherited didnt in 2016. The headcount is up. The president promised to take care of veterans and also at Homeland Security and the president promised to be top on the border. Those agencies have massive headcount increases. Homeland security up 23,000 employees during the Trump Administration. At the v. A. , up 18,000 employees during the Trump Administration. Every single executive agency is down except for the Small Business administration, which is headcount grew 40 . Host you think it is wrong to have those numbers in federal Government Employees . Guest what we do at openthebooks. Com is get the information out to the American People. We fact check politicians on campaign promises. Is the president s training the swamp . I harken back to ronald reagan. Up to youren youre armpits in alligators it is hard to remember you came here to drain the swamp. It is tough. The president is experiencing matt. Three hundred 90,000 employees in the department of veteran Affairs According to and you goods, Homeland Security that number rises to 205,000. Agriculture,t of 13,000 and the Treasury Department it in a thousand employees. Lets hear from viewers. This is william in waldorf, maryland. Your on with Adam Andrzejweski from openthebooks. Com. Caller thank you for having me on. Thank you both. I listen to cspan every day. I want to know the data that you collected . Thet also referencing federal contractors, stick contractors and local government that also do work and their salaries . Ofit also giving the numbers how many contractors are doing the jobs per people that are in that state, that local monistic polity municipality in the nation . Guest excellent question. Here is what our database is comprised of. At the federal level, we have all federal spending since 2000. That is comprised of contracts, grants, loans, farm subsidies, direct limits and insurance subsidies. We have nearly all federal employment in terms of salaries and bonuses, when disclosed since 2007. At the state level, in 49 out of 50 states, we are only missing california and we have restyled that information at the request of the california state checkbook. In 49 states, we have the checkbook. Had theng, we republican comptroller begin the process of opening the books and the books are opened in wyoming. We need to do this in california. At the local level, your question is important. That is where the hardware didnt heart work in data collection. There are 16,000 substantial bodies across the country. We need to grower budget to be able to have the capacity to refile requests for checkbook spending. Once we do that, this is what we call the public spending genome project. You remember when scientists mapped the human genome and ushered in medical progress. Taxed ating every dime every level, this is the genome project we are working on and we feel it will revolutionize the United States public policy. Host from florida in st. Petersburg, vicki. Caller good morning. I want to make sure the clear definition youre using for the swamp. The president and white i voted for him why i voted for him was to drain the swamp was to drain the corruption out of the inernment, lobbyists, frauds every sector of the government. It was not a headcount of how many people were being employees. It was making sure that they were more efficient and we were basically like the veterans, cleaning up that sector. Could you explain to me how you came up with your definition of swamp as a headcount . Guest i prefaced that segment by saying one measure that you could hold the president accountable to his promise to drain the swamp would be the headcount if there was bloat in the federal bureaucracy to carve out that bloat, you would have a smaller headcount. We do not see that at the v. A. Where the president has increased headcount and homeland smallty and at the business outside that, we see a real scale back of the federal bureaucracy. At the department of education, betsy devos has eliminated 651 positions. We know the average salary of the department of education is 100,000. That is 65 million a year in butter payroll costs at the department of education. Fix. Com, threehe ,gencies at openthebooks. Com three agencies 13 agencies have 10,000 plus. 19 agencies have 10,000 employees. Have one to 100 employees. Can you expand . Guest an interesting conversation is to see who is up and who is down. The American People have to make the decision as to whether this is good policy. The president has to make good arguments to the American People. If you are an irs agent, you are down 15 . There were over 10,000 irs agents. Two years later, the fiscal year 2018, that is the latest available. After two years of the president administration, irs agents are 8500 down from 10,000. If you are a nurse at the v. A. , the nurse headcount over this to your period is up 4000 nurses. If you are a doctor, you are up 700 doctors. We took a look at openthebooks. Com, because we have been getting oversight, so over the course of the past five 50,000he v. A. Has added positions to payroll, 10,000 of those have been medical officers and doctors. Franklin from north carolina, democrat. Caller good morning. I was listening to your guest and i agree there is a lot of bloat in the military budget. Fromk with the military 19831989. At the end of the year, i would agencies woulde send in brandnew equipment and to benew furniture auctioned off by the General Services administration. That would happen within the last two months of the fiscal year. They had extra money they needed to spend. They used that method to make sure they spent the money so the budget would not be cut. That is where a lot of the military bloat goes. Guest you are spot on. Trump, heident ordered the pentagon to comply with a firstever audit. They spent a year 1200 auditors they spent . 5 billion on the audit and the pentagon flunked. We hope this year they do a better job on compliance with standard accounting practices. We also studied the last month of the fiscal year in relation to the department of defense and spending. In the last month of the fiscal year, last year, the pentagon spent 65 billion in the final 12 months. They spent one out of every five contracts on the year in the last month. That that is good a proper way to run our military. Host a viewer makes comments when it comes to sizes in federal government salaries, saying they are at an alltime high. What can you say about salaries that federal workers receive . With here is the problem the file we received. After wrangling with the Office Personal management, i trust the headcount in this file. I do not trust the Cash Compensation. There is 20 to 30 billion worth of Cash Compensation that was not disclosed in this file. We asked questions to the office of personal management. They are sorting for the answers. We look forward to dialoguing with them. I trust that counts. I do not trust the current Cash Compensation. The last file we received on Cash Compensation was 2016. What we found was, in the 20 largest federal agencies, the average salary was a 100,000 and above. It was also about bonuses. Four out of every five bonuses were disclosed but the largest bucket, the performance bonuses from over 1. 1 billion year, that was not disclosed because we were told they could not disclose it because they negotiated a way to transparency during the union agreement. This is what we think our constitutional right to transparency under article one section nine is to be enforced. We talklegislation that about to up those performance bonuses and congress. Federalrall average democrat gets 43 paid days of time off. These are benefits that are only given to the private sector and are a rarity in the private sector. And they are given to the public sector. Host but here from robert a nebraska, republican mine. Thank you, cspan. My question is around the ,argest part of the budget being entitlements. What is your organization doing to reduce those entitlements . Guest our organization in terms of entitlements we work in improper payments. , healthare and medicaid and Human Services admits 85 billion last year was improperly paid on medicare and medicaid payments. 65 billion of that was overpaid. On improper payments across the 20 largest federal agencies, since 2004 mother has been a stunning 1. 2 trillion of improper quicks here is willing from cincinnati ohio. Caller thanks for having me on. I want to ask you about the money that was spent for the fourth of july extravaganza the president put on it. I would like to ask you another thing since you are able to inquire salaries of certain individuals, can you check on the president s income and where he spends his money for going to these venues where his business in florida. He does business up here in new york. Spendingmoney is he with his family . We are not the only organization giving oversight to president trump. His name is top of the headlines whether its his travel, his golf trips. What we do is take a look at the transactional history that are disclosed by the federal agencies. To give oversight in information and we break news. New information to put into the public debate. Its 400,000 dollars and we have tracked the president is each quarter donating that salary back to federal agencies. We have given oversight. Out of the blocks every year, the white house discloses payroll on june 30 every year and the last two years we have done first up at forbes. At forbes on the senior contributor around policy and what we have found is the Trump Administration is running a leaner white house payroll. He is down 36 positions to the same point as the barack obama presidency. Of the first three years of trump versus obama, he has run a leaner headcount to the white house staff. He has saved taxpayers about 20 million. Host you talked about your forbes contributions. You talked about what federal money is being supported. Guest one of our pieces of oversight we like to do is file the National News cycle with hard data. When baltimore broke, there was a lot of misinformation in the public discourse. [no audio] good morning. My name is steny hoyer. Im the majority leader of the house of representatives. Outave been