Transcripts For CSPAN Mitchell Institute For Aerospace Studi

Transcripts For CSPAN Mitchell Institute For Aerospace Studies Discussion On Air Superiority 20240714

Our August Mitchell institute forum. Today our subject is the next Generation Air dominance. For those of you i havent met, im the dean of the Mitchell Institute for Aerospace Power studies. We are plead we are pleased to have the president of the air force association, general bruce right, amongst a set of distinguished visitors to include general mike low, force former vice chair of air force staff. We have an expert panel to discuss this topic. Say again . [laughter] [inaudible] they are all youngsters, sir. Forlanned this Panel Feedback and discussion. I will offer remarks to set the stage for the discussion. Ability tority, the deny enemy forces access to key portions of the sky, is today a bedrock mission for the department of defense. Everybody over there and each one of the services, understands that the viability of soldiers and marines on the ground, ships at sea, space and cyber installations, logistics lines and command and control facilities are fundamentally dependent on this mission. Americas air superiority capability and capacity, however, is becoming more challenged. And while all services contribute to this mission, the vast percentage is executed by the air force, which sought fighter inventory cut by half in the years since the cold war. Generation fighters like the f22 were prematurely canceled, and the f35 was delayed. The result is increasingly geriatric airframes dating from the carter and reagan administrations on flight lines today, well past their intended service lives. Combatthe same period, demand for Fighter Aircraft increased, with nearly three decades of nonstop deployment to the middle east. Remember, the air force has been at war since 1991, not just since 2001. Meeting this sustained tempo with a decreasing supply of aged aircraft pushed pilots, support personnel and the air force. The result is increasing risk to defense. This program is especially important because it will allow a cleansheet approach to merge demands of securing air superiority with the attributes necessary to prevail the information age. Every aircraft on a fighter ramp today was designed before the smartphone redefined the way we gather, process and share information. These trends have had an impact on modern combat operations. Just as the landline is of diminishing value, so to are the are percentage so too the vast percentage of aircraft that comprise our inventory. Over 80 are based on design from the late six the late 1960s and early 1970s. This program represents a crucial need to reset the nations air superiority force. Design concepts are still classified, but it is expected stealth enabled superiority could advance capabilities, robust sensors, Processing Power and the ability to share data in a realtime collaborative fashion will stand as key attributes. It is likely also that this will not be one specific aircraft, rather a system of aircraft that will integrate network teeming to deliver desired mission effects. Regardless of system specifics, it is critical that the program move ahead as scheduled. Budget cuts recently enacted by the House Appropriations defense subcommittee targeted the air forces nextGeneration Air dominance program, and they are putting the future of the air superiority at risk. This 50 reduction in funding would result in a three year slip and advanced Development Timelines and the cancellation of Critical New Technology whiletion programs and some may question the cost of the program it is important to ask a different question. What is the cost of not securing the sky . Victory is impossible without it done countless lives will be put at risk. Taken in that light, a 50 cut to this Program Stands as the unaffordable path forward. Background, let me introduce our panelists. Is retirediate left Lieutenant General john davis, he served as marine corps deputy commandant for aviation. He has flown over 4500 hours in the a, f5, and f18. He was also Deputy Commander of the u. S. Cyber command end is fully aware of the importance of what networks are all about and what cyber is all about. Today he is a consultant and commander of the marine corps aviation association. Sandman fan tini is the director of war fighting capability. He leads air force efforts for the design, integration, capability and development for future air force concepts. He served as a squadron, group and Wing Commander and has more than 3200 hours of flying in various aircraft. And on the far end of the table is Major General dave crom, director of the air force acquisition arm, where he is responsible for programming more than 159 fighter, bomber, missile and weapons programs. He is a Weapons School graduate and has commended it commanded and f22 squadron along with multiple staff positions. We will have general santini kickoff, followed by general crom and wrap up with general davis. Thanks, for afa hosting and for mitchell for their advocacy. Of war fighting immigration war fighting integration, i swim in a deeper pool and will drop my anchor there and give a tip of the hat to the naval services, the navy and marine corps. Increasinglys competitive environment with russia and china as they present this Global Challenge to our nation. The interesting thing is that i have not seen in 33 years the Department Come together and center on a document of this National Defense strategy that has allowed us to focus on this competitive space. Toe no mistake, we need execute our Core Missions of homeland defense, foundational nuclear deterrent, prepare and be able to defeat that. Adversary while holding another one at bay, and finally, continuing to engage in encountering violence extremists. That is a tall feet that is a tall feat. We will not accomplish that without the ability to control the skies. 35 years ago when folks would say, engaging the enemy one at a time was defined as air superiority. As i have matured in my thinking, i came to realize the enemy got a vote, and we have learned from that. Giveuperiority is going to us the freedom of maneuver that enables our joint forces to execute whatever mission our nation asks us to do. So without that ability to conduct that mission of air superiority, unless we understand how we are going to pull this together from the multidomain operations perspective, and the true ability we have a vision for, of connecting any sense or any shooter, of any Service Across any domain, when we are able to realize that and maintain the position superiority over our be able to, we will accomplish air superiority at a time and place of our choosing. It is really a conversation of how we create air space and cyber superiority at a time and place of our choosing that allows us to gain that freedom of maneuver in the air domain. The next Generation Air security flight plan, the air security 2030 work that went on two or three years ago, that has given us a template to look to the future and what we need with respect to resourcing these capabilities. When you ask me as director of war fighting integration, what we see in the future, we see the ability to fight in, from, and through space, the ability to connect a sensor to a shooter with multidomain commandandcontrol. We have to be able to generate combat power inside and outside the proverbial bubble. We have to be able to fight while under attack. We have to be able to fight from distance. The reality is, we are going to blend these things together. So when we talk about the mission of air superiority, we talk about bringing these together in a multidomain operation for that freedom of maneuver. How theto figure out adversary is producing capabilities to counter our nation. How do we do the sustainment and logistics side . That is why, when you talk air superiority, you talk cyber superiority, you talk space superiority, we look at it now from a holistic perspective of an enterprise approach, which is why my organization stood up. We see this as an enterprise challenge. A dont want to have conversation of widgets. We want a conversation on how the highway rings any proverbial truck into the fight, and how it does that effectively. Now we plan to show our investments in pivoting to the future in space, multidomain commandandcontrol, the ability to generate combat power, and we have to do this with Logistics Support under attack. And that is where we see the vision of air superiority in the future pulling these things together. With that, i am happy to hand crum. O Major General good morning, everyone. I see friends, mentors, icons. I would like all of you to remember, the statute of imitation the statute of limitations on anything i may have said and done in the past. [laughter] a special thanks to you for hosting us, thanks for your Service Center advocacy for airpower and the things that we do. It is great to be here if you at this venue. I have to tell you, though, i was asked a few months ago by general wright, would i talk . I said i was thrilled and honored to do so, but i forgot what is called the speech topic assignment part of the ask. I felt like i was back in eighth grade when i was the last one to the teacher with my book report. When you talk about next Generation Air dominance, that is the sort of magnitude, and certainly there is nothing i can say in a short time that would encompass it. I will give you thoughts on our superiority in the future and where we think we are going. The first thing i want to ingads upon you is what is not. It is not a thing. It is not a platform. It is not a substitute. The next generation of air aperiority is networkconnected family of systems that works together to get after the things we need to get for our nation to ensure air superiority. Thing, it is a multitude of things. Ingad,u see us pursuing we are pursuing a multiple number of technologies and capabilities that we can bring to bear in ways the general talked about. And it is from every domain, cyber, air, sea, land and space. Is what we want it to be. The other thing that we know about what ingad will be is that it will be constantly involving constantly evolving. There is no flag in the sand. We have ensured superiority for our nation and it is going to be constantly changing. The chief talks about next Generation Air dominance. We know that whatever we bring to bear has to penetrate. How does it penetrate . Stealth,de of ways, speed, quantity by overwhelming the enemy as we go forward. It has to persist. That means range, that means endurance, that means orbital, air, cyber, it means being able to persist inside the enemys defenses. And it has to protect. It has to protect itself, may be others. So we have got to build this network of systems, and then it has to proliferate. And proliferate does not mean necessarily just quantity. It also means connected. So by connecting people and connecting all the different capabilities we have, we proliferate those capabilities across network and make it stronger. And finally, it has to be able to punish. Ableuperiority means being to take over the battle space from the enemy. And the way that we are thinking about this is not a single a network of things that everything connects, everything that shares data. Thate talk about, does mean only things . It does not. It means everything contributes and everything brings something together. It has changed the way we design, build, test, train and sustain these new technologies. You have heard the chief of air force acquisitions talk about a Century Series it idea Century Series idea, rooted in what we did in the 1950s. We built a series of different airplanes. We have the same mindset when it comes to capabilities, but it is not airplanes, it is technologies, being able to rapidly innovate, using digital design modeling simulation. If we do the right way, digital modeling and digital simulation, we can rapidly prototype and look at what different capabilities and designs can do in that digital model. And we can go and fail and succeed in the Digital World very fast, and where things are promising, we very rapidly moved to prototyping. The promise of digital engineering on modeling and simulation is that we can look at things not just in the design phase, but in the Production Phase and in the sustainment phase, so we can take a good look at what different parts and components will mean. Too often we look at just production numbers of a system, but it is sustainment of the longm that costs us in the run. And we have to do this because technology is moving very rapidly. Believes, i hope, that todays technology is going to be the same five years from now, three years from now, six months from now may be, so how do we Design Capabilities and systems that are upgradable . That are modular in nature . We have to be able to this on a quick cycle. We are excited about digital engineering and digital acquisition. And when we look at those legs those things and lay out the scope, we know we have to have that on government Reference Architectures that allow us to take the best and brightest from all Industry Partners and integrate them quickly into those systems. Generation of air dominance is a series of capabilities we are working we are developing to work together, they are connected, and the highway is what gets us going. The oldre is not mentality, oneonone engagement. Ingad is a system of things designed to help each other as we move forward. Can everybody hear me . Thank you very much, for inviting me from my mountain layer in north idaho my mountain lair in north idaho. I spent two months up there and am grateful for the mission that you do, to share it story and have a form for open debate to share ideas. I am not speaking for the marine corps today, i am speaking as a private citizen who wants to get this right. Live in trying times and frankly lived in fry in trying times for a long time. Was i was a young guy i stationed at the closest jet base to the east german border. We were ready for the cold war to be a real war, and i learned a lot about what potential high attrition combat was going to be like. It wasnt an air force fight, navy fight, army fight, marine fight, it was going to be a coalition fight. Everybody was going to play. But i learned a lot, i learned a lot about preparing for that and basically, the wars that flowed from the end of the what the general called the stepchild of chechnya, all the fights out there. Im a student of history and we really suck at predicting the future. We are terrible at that. But we up here, all of us as citizens, have responsibility to be ready for the fight. And since we cant predict what that fight is going to be, we need to be ready for the worst case and protect our freedom, our friends, our way of life. I feel strongly about that as a retired person. I will talk from that Vantage Point as we go forward the marine corps is very involved in the f as we go forward. The marine corps is very involved in the f35 program. It is doing well. We dont look firstrate fighter, we look for an airplane that serves a variety of customers. Ad we fight as a team, slightly different focus sometimes than others, but no better, just a different focus. This Marine Ground air task force. That is what we try to optimize, and it is a joint construct in many ways but we have to plug into the navy, air force, army, coalition partners. We believe we are the force that has to be most ready when the nations least ready, knowing people can pontificate about have the future suitcased, we know what is going to be, we dont believe that is the case. We have to be ready for the worst. So we have continued to invest, and i checked with the commandants landing guidance and the marine requirements folks, the fifthgeneration fours. We are pressing down that road. We will be at a fifth generation 2030s. N the we are transitioning squadrons the vmfa 21 is out to sea as we speak tonight. Us, we think we are going to fly the f for a long time the f35 for a long time. We are upgrading capabilities, like an iphone, making sure the capability has the opportunity to succeed. Lookingirplane we are for, we want that airplane to be a good fighter and a good killing machine. It has to be a good strike platform for us as well. Want it to be able to do Electronic Warfare, one area we look for growth in the f35 as a stand in jammer, not a standoff jammer. Why do i say that . We went from Single Mission platforms on multimission platforms and they have to do a little bit of everything. Why is that . Because things happen. Going against a highend threat, you are going to penetrate and your wingman gets aborted, you still have to do the job and get the job done. You have to bring the platform back to fight another day, or later that day. So we would like it to do more. We believe that being ready for the first fight dean ready for the worst fight, you have to have a plane that will not only survive but prevail and dominate as best you can. Sensors, right now the f35 has incredible sensors. It is the smartest kid in the class and is going to be for sum time. End is going to be the smartest kid in the class for some time. Once our customer, an infantry officer, sees what that airplane can do, they want some of that as well. That is a challenge. We are working on that hard, to make sure that system can sense and can see and can shoot and kill and protect, but also can share that information. I think the best kind of airplane, and i have been reading a lot about the Second World War and our August Mitchell<\/a> institute forum. Today our subject is the next Generation Air<\/a> dominance. For those of you i havent met, im the dean of the Mitchell Institute<\/a> for Aerospace Power<\/a> studies. We are plead we are pleased to have the president of the air force association, general bruce right, amongst a set of distinguished visitors to include general mike low, force former vice chair of air force staff. We have an expert panel to discuss this topic. Say again . [laughter] [inaudible] they are all youngsters, sir. Forlanned this Panel Feedback<\/a> and discussion. I will offer remarks to set the stage for the discussion. Ability tority, the deny enemy forces access to key portions of the sky, is today a bedrock mission for the department of defense. Everybody over there and each one of the services, understands that the viability of soldiers and marines on the ground, ships at sea, space and cyber installations, logistics lines and command and control facilities are fundamentally dependent on this mission. Americas air superiority capability and capacity, however, is becoming more challenged. And while all services contribute to this mission, the vast percentage is executed by the air force, which sought fighter inventory cut by half in the years since the cold war. Generation fighters like the f22 were prematurely canceled, and the f35 was delayed. The result is increasingly geriatric airframes dating from the carter and reagan administrations on flight lines today, well past their intended service lives. Combatthe same period, demand for Fighter Aircraft<\/a> increased, with nearly three decades of nonstop deployment to the middle east. Remember, the air force has been at war since 1991, not just since 2001. Meeting this sustained tempo with a decreasing supply of aged aircraft pushed pilots, support personnel and the air force. The result is increasing risk to defense. This program is especially important because it will allow a cleansheet approach to merge demands of securing air superiority with the attributes necessary to prevail the information age. Every aircraft on a fighter ramp today was designed before the smartphone redefined the way we gather, process and share information. These trends have had an impact on modern combat operations. Just as the landline is of diminishing value, so to are the are percentage so too the vast percentage of aircraft that comprise our inventory. Over 80 are based on design from the late six the late 1960s and early 1970s. This program represents a crucial need to reset the nations air superiority force. Design concepts are still classified, but it is expected stealth enabled superiority could advance capabilities, robust sensors, Processing Power<\/a> and the ability to share data in a realtime collaborative fashion will stand as key attributes. It is likely also that this will not be one specific aircraft, rather a system of aircraft that will integrate network teeming to deliver desired mission effects. Regardless of system specifics, it is critical that the program move ahead as scheduled. Budget cuts recently enacted by the House Appropriations<\/a> defense subcommittee targeted the air forces nextGeneration Air<\/a> dominance program, and they are putting the future of the air superiority at risk. This 50 reduction in funding would result in a three year slip and advanced Development Timelines<\/a> and the cancellation of Critical New Technology<\/a> whiletion programs and some may question the cost of the program it is important to ask a different question. What is the cost of not securing the sky . Victory is impossible without it done countless lives will be put at risk. Taken in that light, a 50 cut to this Program Stands<\/a> as the unaffordable path forward. Background, let me introduce our panelists. Is retirediate left Lieutenant General<\/a> john davis, he served as marine corps deputy commandant for aviation. He has flown over 4500 hours in the a, f5, and f18. He was also Deputy Commander<\/a> of the u. S. Cyber command end is fully aware of the importance of what networks are all about and what cyber is all about. Today he is a consultant and commander of the marine corps aviation association. Sandman fan tini is the director of war fighting capability. He leads air force efforts for the design, integration, capability and development for future air force concepts. He served as a squadron, group and Wing Commander<\/a> and has more than 3200 hours of flying in various aircraft. And on the far end of the table is Major General<\/a> dave crom, director of the air force acquisition arm, where he is responsible for programming more than 159 fighter, bomber, missile and weapons programs. He is a Weapons School<\/a> graduate and has commended it commanded and f22 squadron along with multiple staff positions. We will have general santini kickoff, followed by general crom and wrap up with general davis. Thanks, for afa hosting and for mitchell for their advocacy. Of war fighting immigration war fighting integration, i swim in a deeper pool and will drop my anchor there and give a tip of the hat to the naval services, the navy and marine corps. Increasinglys competitive environment with russia and china as they present this Global Challenge<\/a> to our nation. The interesting thing is that i have not seen in 33 years the Department Come<\/a> together and center on a document of this National Defense<\/a> strategy that has allowed us to focus on this competitive space. Toe no mistake, we need execute our Core Missions<\/a> of homeland defense, foundational nuclear deterrent, prepare and be able to defeat that. Adversary while holding another one at bay, and finally, continuing to engage in encountering violence extremists. That is a tall feet that is a tall feat. We will not accomplish that without the ability to control the skies. 35 years ago when folks would say, engaging the enemy one at a time was defined as air superiority. As i have matured in my thinking, i came to realize the enemy got a vote, and we have learned from that. Giveuperiority is going to us the freedom of maneuver that enables our joint forces to execute whatever mission our nation asks us to do. So without that ability to conduct that mission of air superiority, unless we understand how we are going to pull this together from the multidomain operations perspective, and the true ability we have a vision for, of connecting any sense or any shooter, of any Service Across<\/a> any domain, when we are able to realize that and maintain the position superiority over our be able to, we will accomplish air superiority at a time and place of our choosing. It is really a conversation of how we create air space and cyber superiority at a time and place of our choosing that allows us to gain that freedom of maneuver in the air domain. The next Generation Air<\/a> security flight plan, the air security 2030 work that went on two or three years ago, that has given us a template to look to the future and what we need with respect to resourcing these capabilities. When you ask me as director of war fighting integration, what we see in the future, we see the ability to fight in, from, and through space, the ability to connect a sensor to a shooter with multidomain commandandcontrol. We have to be able to generate combat power inside and outside the proverbial bubble. We have to be able to fight while under attack. We have to be able to fight from distance. The reality is, we are going to blend these things together. So when we talk about the mission of air superiority, we talk about bringing these together in a multidomain operation for that freedom of maneuver. How theto figure out adversary is producing capabilities to counter our nation. How do we do the sustainment and logistics side . That is why, when you talk air superiority, you talk cyber superiority, you talk space superiority, we look at it now from a holistic perspective of an enterprise approach, which is why my organization stood up. We see this as an enterprise challenge. A dont want to have conversation of widgets. We want a conversation on how the highway rings any proverbial truck into the fight, and how it does that effectively. Now we plan to show our investments in pivoting to the future in space, multidomain commandandcontrol, the ability to generate combat power, and we have to do this with Logistics Support<\/a> under attack. And that is where we see the vision of air superiority in the future pulling these things together. With that, i am happy to hand crum. O Major General<\/a> good morning, everyone. I see friends, mentors, icons. I would like all of you to remember, the statute of imitation the statute of limitations on anything i may have said and done in the past. [laughter] a special thanks to you for hosting us, thanks for your Service Center<\/a> advocacy for airpower and the things that we do. It is great to be here if you at this venue. I have to tell you, though, i was asked a few months ago by general wright, would i talk . I said i was thrilled and honored to do so, but i forgot what is called the speech topic assignment part of the ask. I felt like i was back in eighth grade when i was the last one to the teacher with my book report. When you talk about next Generation Air<\/a> dominance, that is the sort of magnitude, and certainly there is nothing i can say in a short time that would encompass it. I will give you thoughts on our superiority in the future and where we think we are going. The first thing i want to ingads upon you is what is not. It is not a thing. It is not a platform. It is not a substitute. The next generation of air aperiority is networkconnected family of systems that works together to get after the things we need to get for our nation to ensure air superiority. Thing, it is a multitude of things. Ingad,u see us pursuing we are pursuing a multiple number of technologies and capabilities that we can bring to bear in ways the general talked about. And it is from every domain, cyber, air, sea, land and space. Is what we want it to be. The other thing that we know about what ingad will be is that it will be constantly involving constantly evolving. There is no flag in the sand. We have ensured superiority for our nation and it is going to be constantly changing. The chief talks about next Generation Air<\/a> dominance. We know that whatever we bring to bear has to penetrate. How does it penetrate . Stealth,de of ways, speed, quantity by overwhelming the enemy as we go forward. It has to persist. That means range, that means endurance, that means orbital, air, cyber, it means being able to persist inside the enemys defenses. And it has to protect. It has to protect itself, may be others. So we have got to build this network of systems, and then it has to proliferate. And proliferate does not mean necessarily just quantity. It also means connected. So by connecting people and connecting all the different capabilities we have, we proliferate those capabilities across network and make it stronger. And finally, it has to be able to punish. Ableuperiority means being to take over the battle space from the enemy. And the way that we are thinking about this is not a single a network of things that everything connects, everything that shares data. Thate talk about, does mean only things . It does not. It means everything contributes and everything brings something together. It has changed the way we design, build, test, train and sustain these new technologies. You have heard the chief of air force acquisitions talk about a Century Series<\/a> it idea Century Series<\/a> idea, rooted in what we did in the 1950s. We built a series of different airplanes. We have the same mindset when it comes to capabilities, but it is not airplanes, it is technologies, being able to rapidly innovate, using digital design modeling simulation. If we do the right way, digital modeling and digital simulation, we can rapidly prototype and look at what different capabilities and designs can do in that digital model. And we can go and fail and succeed in the Digital World<\/a> very fast, and where things are promising, we very rapidly moved to prototyping. The promise of digital engineering on modeling and simulation is that we can look at things not just in the design phase, but in the Production Phase<\/a> and in the sustainment phase, so we can take a good look at what different parts and components will mean. Too often we look at just production numbers of a system, but it is sustainment of the longm that costs us in the run. And we have to do this because technology is moving very rapidly. Believes, i hope, that todays technology is going to be the same five years from now, three years from now, six months from now may be, so how do we Design Capabilities<\/a> and systems that are upgradable . That are modular in nature . We have to be able to this on a quick cycle. We are excited about digital engineering and digital acquisition. And when we look at those legs those things and lay out the scope, we know we have to have that on government Reference Architectures<\/a> that allow us to take the best and brightest from all Industry Partners<\/a> and integrate them quickly into those systems. Generation of air dominance is a series of capabilities we are working we are developing to work together, they are connected, and the highway is what gets us going. The oldre is not mentality, oneonone engagement. Ingad is a system of things designed to help each other as we move forward. Can everybody hear me . Thank you very much, for inviting me from my mountain layer in north idaho my mountain lair in north idaho. I spent two months up there and am grateful for the mission that you do, to share it story and have a form for open debate to share ideas. I am not speaking for the marine corps today, i am speaking as a private citizen who wants to get this right. Live in trying times and frankly lived in fry in trying times for a long time. Was i was a young guy i stationed at the closest jet base to the east german border. We were ready for the cold war to be a real war, and i learned a lot about what potential high attrition combat was going to be like. It wasnt an air force fight, navy fight, army fight, marine fight, it was going to be a coalition fight. Everybody was going to play. But i learned a lot, i learned a lot about preparing for that and basically, the wars that flowed from the end of the what the general called the stepchild of chechnya, all the fights out there. Im a student of history and we really suck at predicting the future. We are terrible at that. But we up here, all of us as citizens, have responsibility to be ready for the fight. And since we cant predict what that fight is going to be, we need to be ready for the worst case and protect our freedom, our friends, our way of life. I feel strongly about that as a retired person. I will talk from that Vantage Point<\/a> as we go forward the marine corps is very involved in the f as we go forward. The marine corps is very involved in the f35 program. It is doing well. We dont look firstrate fighter, we look for an airplane that serves a variety of customers. Ad we fight as a team, slightly different focus sometimes than others, but no better, just a different focus. This Marine Ground<\/a> air task force. That is what we try to optimize, and it is a joint construct in many ways but we have to plug into the navy, air force, army, coalition partners. We believe we are the force that has to be most ready when the nations least ready, knowing people can pontificate about have the future suitcased, we know what is going to be, we dont believe that is the case. We have to be ready for the worst. So we have continued to invest, and i checked with the commandants landing guidance and the marine requirements folks, the fifthgeneration fours. We are pressing down that road. We will be at a fifth generation 2030s. N the we are transitioning squadrons the vmfa 21 is out to sea as we speak tonight. Us, we think we are going to fly the f for a long time the f35 for a long time. We are upgrading capabilities, like an iphone, making sure the capability has the opportunity to succeed. Lookingirplane we are for, we want that airplane to be a good fighter and a good killing machine. It has to be a good strike platform for us as well. Want it to be able to do Electronic Warfare<\/a>, one area we look for growth in the f35 as a stand in jammer, not a standoff jammer. Why do i say that . We went from Single Mission<\/a> platforms on multimission platforms and they have to do a little bit of everything. Why is that . Because things happen. Going against a highend threat, you are going to penetrate and your wingman gets aborted, you still have to do the job and get the job done. You have to bring the platform back to fight another day, or later that day. So we would like it to do more. We believe that being ready for the first fight dean ready for the worst fight, you have to have a plane that will not only survive but prevail and dominate as best you can. Sensors, right now the f35 has incredible sensors. It is the smartest kid in the class and is going to be for sum time. End is going to be the smartest kid in the class for some time. Once our customer, an infantry officer, sees what that airplane can do, they want some of that as well. That is a challenge. We are working on that hard, to make sure that system can sense and can see and can shoot and kill and protect, but also can share that information. I think the best kind of airplane, and i have been reading a lot about the Second World War<\/a> and our Army Air Corps<\/a> in the Second World War<\/a>, and the step change the mustang brought to protecting the bomber fleet. It is amazing. It started off not so great, they put a Rollsroyce Merlin<\/a> motor in there and it changed the course of history. Participation in the fight out there to make everybody better. The mustang and world war ii made everybody better, certainly made the bomber pilots more confident they could get in and get out and get through the fighter belt. Making everybody better with a fifthGeneration Air<\/a>plane or ingad, you want to use your sensors to make other players more effective or have other players reach in and make you more effective. I am really energized by what i see with what the f35s are doing. , were i left active duty did experiments and tests with , basically guiding missiles the ship couldnt see but the f35 could, and teaming that way. That is a game changer that allows our forces as a joint fight to project power more effectively. We have to power project, get there, win and come home. Allowing our navy to be better shooters is something we have a great interest in. This airplane allows us to do that with the sensors. Groundbased fire, providingery fire, accurate target data for the rocket battery to do longrange killing. The new commandant has asked for longrange fire, 350 nautical myers. The f35 will be a critical player in providing those fires. More on the, Electronic Warfare<\/a> side and it surveillanceronic and countermeasures as well. We talked about logistics and networks. I think there is an orange flag we just did, where f35s were targeting for the United States<\/a> army. Again, great synergy. You put this airplane in the hands of the war fighters, the young guys and gals out there, their ingenuity, i talked to one of them the other day and he said, out at sea we have just started to unleash the capabilities of this airplane. We havent tapped all its capability. I think all of us should be focused on getting as much as we can get out of the f35 and advancing that as best we can, i would say building them in numbers. I dont work for somebody that builds f35s, but one way to toe the f35 more effective, sustain is to to make less of them. Thousandsow how many of those f22 we built, but i asked, what did you plan on when you started building that airplane . What was your Production Model<\/a> . They said, 960. The bottom line is, we have to build these and make them as deep as we can and keep that out we, for the people that built the plane for us, focus on cost, the cost of ownership down, so that we can afford them to go dominate like we need to and forward deployed. On the logistics side, the marine corps bought this airplane that can land on a short strip or amphibious ship or small carrier. Why . It is about making sure we have fighter coverage. I think range is an important factor, but for the marine corps it was relative. The important range for us was to be close to where we could fly from a sea bass, support our guys on the ground. We have also found ways to air refuel so we can extend our range, but we have not figured out a way to air rearm just yet. The basing posture allows us to employ ordinance dropdown on a ship or forward base, rearm quickly, and we do like nascar hot pits in the marine corps, we do it with the f35, we dont shut the motor down, we rearm the plane and get it back into the air again and up our sortie rate. The other thing i will say is, very proud to serve in the royal air force, i just came back from my twoyear reunion. Notink the future fight is only going to be a joint fight, it is going to be a coalition fight. You need allies. You need friends. Im jazzed we have an air lane in the United States<\/a> marine corps that can land on a short base, and amphibious ship, but also we are going to deploy with the queen elizabeth, an amazing thing that my marine corps would do that, but it portends the ability for us to think about what a coalition fight would look like in the future, when you need every bit of real estate you can to power project, air force navy, marine corps, army, coalition. So i think what our plan would i would advocate for is extracting every ounce of capability out of that f35, making it as cheap as weekend to buy and sustain and maximize our combatcap ability our capability and make it the best friend for the guys on the ground and the guys at sea. Thanks for your perspectives. If i could summarize them, a common theme amongst our inticipants is that ingad the future, and whatever the next big thing is, the underlying foundation is the ubiquitous and seamless sharing of information. Older going to have Generation Air<\/a>planes for a long time. So those have to fit into the equation. General davis mentioned allied interoperability. We have to come up with a system of systems, if you will, that makes it seamless to plug into our allies. To theransition discussion phase of our panel. Let me get them warmed up with a couple of softballs for you. I have never heard you pitch a softball question. This is for all of you. What attribute or attributes you think will be the most significant change for the next generation of aircraft . I wont limit it to fighters, i will just say aircraft. The biggest changes from the beginning . It connects and connects with everything. And that means not only developing those technologies for what is coming, but going back, using software, communications, being able to link all that together. Because no matter what it is or what things we bring to bear, the combined sum is more than the parts. Connect,we do has to has to share, has to learn, has to be able to take that data from wherever we gather it and apply it. Probably half the folks in this room have experienced this. If you dont have Situational Awareness<\/a>, you die. It doesnt matter if it is an f5, a mig 21, you may be flying the most soupedup capability airplane you have to offer, if you dont have Situational Awareness<\/a>, you die. That is an attribute general crum just described from the ability to connect. You can look through the evolution of systems that have been put in combat aircraft over the last 30 years, and you wonder why some of these folks backgrinning, and you came with your tail between your legs. And then i got this little multifunction display and it presented a line. I like that. , wow, and it took us forever to get it. That is the challenge. Awareness, butal we have got to be able to iterate. Sir, can i borrow your iphone . This is the overused analogy. Can i have your ipad . What we need is an ipad that can we canovernight, that suck electrons in, suck as a sock Situational Awareness<\/a> out of the battle space, that includes what happened in the cyber realm. Im using the underused analogy of the ipad now, covering up the overused analogy for the iphone. But being able to that abletional awareness to suck that Situational Awareness<\/a>, right now we are waiting weeks and months, and we have to be in the Situational Awareness<\/a> perspective. I concur with both of these. As i think about connecting networks, it is incredibly important that the next airplane connects with everybody. The f35 connect with some very well right now and needs to connect with others more effectively as we rollout future iterations of that airplane. I also know that networks are built and if you covet that network, your adversaries are going to try to take that network away read we need to make sure we have Resilient Networks<\/a> that can take a hit, and reform, but also it goes back to that multimission platform. If the adversary is successful in denying new that network, having a multimission platform can sense, see, and shoot both kinetic and nonkinetic, and the Electronic Warfare<\/a> side of that is important, to make sure we can still accomplish the mission, that their win at taking that network away still allows our platform to get the for the joint force commander to bring folks home. The last thing i would say is speed. I have worked as a consultant for two years. I have been with a company out of silicon valley. Speed is really important. We have to be a lot faster. For oams we want to be more like apple than what we are right now. I want to integrate a new capability quickly, not weight for a cycle. Architecture started with the harrier a long time ago , and allows me to integrate systems on the airplane very quickly. The new idea cant take four years to get onto the airplane. It has to get onto the airplane quickly. Lets transition to see what is on your minds. Questions from the floor. Yes, sir . Please state your name, rank, serial number and who you are before you ask a question. And want to make sure i what you were saying about nextgeneration dominance. Ive been hearing a lot about an fx Program Within<\/a> this family of systems, that there would be Something Like<\/a> an f22 monolithicstyle platform that could perform the full range of mission for the 20 30s and 20 2030s and 2040s. Has that been replaced by this idea of using existing systems augmented with the Century Series<\/a> Style Mission<\/a> specific, or maybe multimission, but not the full range of missions. We look at f22 to f35 to do today . Why was that change made . What is it about the future of warfare, if that is what took place, that rules out that kind of platform that we have known for the last 50 years . Here is what i will tell you. As air man negligent if we wouldnt look at everything if we werent looking at everything. There is nothing we arent looking at. The focus in the past has been on a platform or a thing, so we have broadened the discussion. In this multidemoing this multidomain concept, there is no one thing that is going to cure everything. We are burnt to look at unmanned, manned, cyber, space, everything we have to do. Because we know is the network of things. And it is not that older systems are not going to be a part of that, we are going to bring them in. The new systems have to be part of that as well, but as we go it takes a long time to replace our systems. The chief knows we are going to be fighting a combination of our older with whatever comes next, and as we merge those is where we think we need to go. What we have been trying to do, the future is kind activity and networks. Resilient, redundant Networks Like<\/a> general davis was talking about. That it is not just one thing. It doesnt mean there wont be trucks on the highway, the highway is more important than the trucks. Today uestion dino our question denoted a one ra zero. Ne or a zero. Not day one or a we have to look at what the future brings. Going to be ae is widget, but a major part of that widget needs to be an open mission system, needs to incorporate uci. The specificnot technical land acquisition, but the concept of being able to because right now our system is not open. It took me so long to get a line on my multi function display. We want to do that at scale and. Peed, conceptually john, air force magazine. Gress is cap double congress is skeptical of systems label systems and cut money from ngat. To get this b funded and convince congress this is the way we need to go . You are a q p. For those of you who dont generalal fabtu aqp. Ni is the godfather of really good job of articulating to congress what that means. This family of systems, you are right, there is some scar tissue in the past from that. But we know Network Systems<\/a> are the way of the future, and developing these technologies in parallel to go on oldnew systems, designing whatever comes into the fight that we have, is going to be key, and it is the way of the future. We are going to engage in congress to show them our path ahead and where we go. My analogy is probably a poor one, it is twitter. Twitter, what is 140 characters, it may have doubled in the past, what does that do if someone has a twitter app, if one person has it . Not much. If 100 people have it, not much. But when thousands, hundreds of thousands of people have twitter, the way it connects, sharing data where someone sees something, someone can verify something, someone can add to the conversation anywhere and everywhere in the data is accessible to millions, that is the vision we see. All these platforms are connected, and it rings a piece of the puzzle that we are looking for it brings a piece of the puzzle we are looking for. And the rest of the systems that are all connected filling the rest of that puzzle piece and pass the data back and forth. We know that is the future. We see it in our day to day lives. His it is the same for warfare. Number one, we have to go fight for what is right. Stood up organization was exactly this challenge of disjointed messages, if you will , that folks kind of, i dont understand what you mean by that. Found a rock today, i picked up and said, there is another commandandcontrol domain person that needs to be brought into the fold. As we stand up Cross Functional Team<\/a>s to take on these challenges, that has a thatalized leadership, extends from multidomain commandandcontrol, extends into air superiority two thousand 30. Who is in charge of shepherding these enterprise programs, these enterprise things . You are looking at him. One thing confusing to a lot of folks is, does he really understand this commandandcontrol, advanced battle management, next Generation Air<\/a> dominance . We see in the future this Cross Functional Team<\/a> having leadership that goes to the hill and explains what we mean. We need to have a lineage of what we are talking about, from lines of effort that goes to a program element, so that we can go, this is what i am talking about, this is why that pot of money is targeted toward this line of effort, and then we need to show progress toward that. That is what i would offer. That is one of the rocks we have with regardr ruck, to ingad. Generationve next air dominance, what does a next Generation Air<\/a>men look like . What skills need to be added, what habits need to be lost . How do we get a better human being . I feel passionately about this. I have a Second Lieutenant<\/a> fantini running around right now, a cadet at the air force academy, another whose threatening to joint rotc. People with gray hair and no hair like you see here, we have great authority. We have to push authority down. These young officers, young air manned, they love the multitask environment. , they love then multitask environment, they love to code. We need to empower and unleash them. Like aairman may Look Software<\/a> engineer, who is able to sit with an operator and go, i dont like what i did yesterday, can you help me, and the coder can say, yes, i can help. That type of pivoting to the future and getting to a digital air force where we see airman with those type of skills. I have had cadet in rotc as well. People coming into the air force, we just need to take advantage of who they are. They are used to this, they are connected. Demand to be joined up and collaborative and energized with each other, and we bring them in and we tend to put stovepipes about what they can do and where they go. We have to take advantage of who they are. They grew up this way. Force needs to take advantage of that. I think airmen of the future are exactly who they are today, we just needed to utilize that. I would say from the joint best we have probably the generation of young people in uniform we have ever had. Just a source of great pride for me and everyone that knows these folks how good they are. I think the same thing the, we want to empower, equip the man, not man the equipment. Give them the tools to succeed. Say, going fast and getting the capabilities in the air. They are relatively impatient people. They are used to picking up technology. , how we better empower the people to use the gear we are developing, designing the ability to deplore information and make again whatever kind of airplane we put in the sky, how it empowers everyone in the battlefield to be more effective. That is what they are used too for technology and that is what they demand from us. Thank you, john harper. Thank you. John harper. Are you kind of looking at the army model and can you say when these might be established and how many there might be, what categories they are going to be in charge of . Absolutely. We have begun to stand them up right now. Scanning the wake of the army in terms of learning where they have been on there for a bill journey. Organization is kind of and there are elements of equivalency in various areas but not exact with army futures command. We have stood up a multidemand command and control Cross Functional Team<\/a>. Joint involved with the coalition and really working closely with the acquisition executives architect. Gentleman who has brought a lot of good framework and structure to the effort which stood up a position, navigation and, timing, and Cross Functional Team<\/a>. In total, we plan on standing up , but that was the rock i turned over this morning. , found out that the dodcio pardon me, usci with a Cross Functional Team<\/a> as well, which is fine. But the ability to synchronize better. I want to take it past the buzz word aspect of it and really what a Cross Functional Team<\/a> needs to do is they need to understand what problem they are trying to solve, they need to write down a strategy, and then they need to access the leadership. Not to star leadership. Fourneed to access the star within our department and if you template that larger within the Defense Department<\/a> to get top cover run, yes, go do. Or no, i am going to change that. On until 3 00 on Cross Functional Team<\/a>s, i can followup with you, but we see that as a small centralized team that is matrixed across a major command, and across the staff, focused on a problem. Logistics, we see this as space, cyber, so we expect to stand teams along those lines. So it should be about 10 standard teams. Hi. You gentlemen really foot stomped the family of systems and that the network is the most important part, but can you give us breadcrumbs about what those systems might look like . You mentioned that you were talking about multitudes of systems that are working simultaneously to deliver a fax. That seems like that could look a lot different than the type of construct that we have, i know the types of platforms that we have right now, so could you drill down a little bit and when might we see this . Hack will take the initial i will take the initial hack at that. It means, hey lets connect the f22 and the f35. Lets ensure that the operations withr that is working those platforms are aware and understand the cyber effects that are going on simultaneously and how you create synergy. Analogy thatcking general gold fiend likes to use in terms of information coming from space that is executing with f35 quarterback that is communicating with an army ground element that could be supported with a subsurface capability, the ability to bring all of that together. Widgets of a specific and system, you could just template that with what we have in the Current Program<\/a> of record with respect to capabilities. Is what we kind of see moving board in the future. I cannot give you a prescription on exactly what we are going to system tomorrow what have you, i do not have the granularity with me right now. Hi, thank you. Tremendous panel. Military imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, so what are some of the things that are allies or adversaries are doing that you think are important enough for us to adopt whether it is the swedish approach to data links, the french approach to cloud combat what are some of these things the chinese and russians are working that you think would give us the greatest air effects freighted United States<\/a> or its allies . I think looking at some of the weapons developing, longrange weapons, i think some of those are good. I also think how they are range oft some of the Ballistic Missile<\/a> threat, how they are thinking about operating out there and i think those are some of the big things. Im a Big Coalition<\/a> workforce guy, and asking them and learning from them is really smart. But some of the on longrange weapons, some of the Electronic Warfare<\/a> is really inspiring. And some of the ships in particular, our british allies are building that and is incredible capability. I would offer something to look at is what is the cross opposing strategy are potential enemies. We found success in that earlier in our history, so we need to understand pivoting into the future, what does that look like. At whatwhen you look our potential adversaries have learned from us, we absolutely need to learn from them as well. Along the coalition lines, we need to be coalition friendly from the start. Going,y times, we end up oh yeah, by the way. By then, many things have been technically set, so i would offer that we need to get better as a department and air force in particular of bringing in coalitions sooner. I want to ask about the role that might play and the next generation of air dominance. A lot of the discussion we have more concerns about buying aircraft has been picked against the need for new capacity, so can you discuss the role of the role and someble of the fourth jen, 50 and debate 4th gen, 5th gen debate that has missed the point . We are committed to the f35. We are committed to that. What we have done and we engaged in congress, and we are really grateful for the support that we received in congress at the fact that we need to replace our aging fleet at a rapid rate. It is not an aging fleet it is an aged fleet. We engaged with congress to say we know we need to replace our fighters at least at 72 a year. In our budget, we try to get to that as best we could. We talk about warfare, you notice we never talk about only the future or only this. We know we will be fighting with a vast array of systems. Any system we have or any system we are going to get, we connect. When you bring that together, each of those systems are going to bring a certain part to the equation. They will not bring equal parts to the equation. Future is noin the matter what it is, it connects, it shares, and it then distributes the data across each other. We will have fourthGeneration Air<\/a>planes for a long time. We have to integrate them together. As we look forward, we know we need to get to a better capacity in our air force when it comes to our fighter force. We think that they understand in congress and we think they are helping us do that, but whatever it is we have, we will make work. Ok folks, we have come to the end of our hourlong period. Im sure they would stand around if they can to answer more questions, but i would offer for entitledy a document evolving technologies and war and warfare in the 21st century that explains some of these ideas of the sharing information. You can find out on the Mitchell Institute<\/a> website. All of you would agree that the Panel Members<\/a> have done a magnificent job as a standby to continue to help you understand this evolving concept of net Generation Air<\/a> dominance. Please join me in thanking them for their remarks. [applause] el paso, texas is getting ready for President Trump<\/a>s visit this afternoon. Visited an cruz impromptu memorial near the walmart where a gunman shot and killed 22 people on saturday. Lots of people are waiting for the president and first lady. This group with signs of the president s quotes, one reading the answer is hes giving is very unfair ruling. The El Paso Times<\/a> reporting that another person says, i do not have an opinion about President Trump<\/a> coming. Politics is not at the top of my list. Just want us to heal meanwhile, back at the nations capital, the National Press<\/a> club today, Elijah Cummings<\/a> says he would like President Trump<\/a> to come visit his district in baltimore. Here is some of what he had to say. Cummings i want President Trump<\/a> to come to my district. Oh god, i want him to come. Jeff have you spoken to him, have you asked . Cummings no, i cant get to him. You guys are doing a good job at that. Put that in your editorials. I want him to come and see my entire city. Then i want him to go to Baltimore County<\/a> where the richest of the rich are. Then i want him to go to Howard County<\/a> where the richest of the rich are. And then i want him to see all of the wonderful things are happening. When you be up on people who have had difficulties and challenges in their lives, it does not help them. No one in this room would do that. I invite him to do that. We can, again, there are many things i would talk to him about when he comes. Again, we are talking about then you all need to see when he comes. Speaking of by the way. I want you all to be there. Let me say something. Baltimore is a beautiful city. Our former mayor is here with us. That we workl you hard every day. She knows. We work hard every day. But when you have the poorest of the poor, it is difficult. You, butgoing to kid at the same time, we have done someone for things. The House Oversight<\/a> Committee Chair<\/a> also talked about President Trump<\/a>s response to the weekend Mass Shootings<\/a> in texas and ohio. He also spoke about the intottees investigation policies. Watch the entire thing tonight on cspan and cspan. Org. Has live coverage of the 2020 president ial candidates at the iowa state fair starting thursday. Watch the 2020 president ial candidates alive at the iowa state fair starting thursday on cspan. Atch anytime online cspan. Org, or listen live from wherever you are on the go, using the free cspan radio app. Earlier today, House Oversight<\/a> and reform Committee Chair<\/a> Elijah Cummings<\/a> delivered remarks at the National Press<\/a> club in washington dc. The congressman defended his hometown, baltimore in the wake and thecism of him city and talked about the shootings in dayton, ohio. 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