Transcripts For CNN Anderson Cooper 360 20241005 : compareme

Transcripts For CNN Anderson Cooper 360 20241005

Staunch conservative, joins Kamala Harris in the swing state, Wisconsin Town where the republican party was born. Fellow conservative Harris Supporter Adam kinzinger joins us so does Cassidy Hutchinson and one of the three former trump White House staffers will make their own case against their old boss. Next week in pennsylvania. And tonight, Melania Trump selling her book and staking out a for different position on abortion from her husband especially his party. Good evening. Thanks for joining us if politics makes Strange Bedfellows tonight, that same notion also make its news just a short time ago in ripon, wisconsin, home of the republican party, one of the grandest names, the grand old Party Campaign for the democratic candidate for president. Former wyoming republican congresswoman Liz Cheney, who like her father Dick Cheney is both a staunch conservative. And now a Harris Supporter i cast my first vote ever in 1984 for Ronald Reagan i served in the State Department in both bush administrations. And i served in the united States House of representatives for three terms including as the third highest ranking republican in House Leadership so republican even before Donald Trump started Spray Tanning 20 years ago when we were campaigning in wisconsin and all across the country, we were campaigning as compassionate conservatives what January 6 shows us is that there is not an ounce, not an ounce of compassion. And Donald Trump, he is petty he has vindictive, and he is cruel. And Donald Trump is not fit to lead this good and great nation. Every endorsement matters and this endorsement matters a great deal is and it carries the specials, special significance because as you said, we may not see eyetoeye on every issue and we are going to get back to a healthy twoparty system. Im sure of that, where we will have vigorous debates from Congresswoman Cheney will also be making her case against trump next week in pennsylvania, along with former Trump Administration members, alyssa farah griffin, sarah matthews. And as i said, Cassidy Hutchinson, who endorsed Vice President harris last Night Policy is important. Its very important to me. And there may be few issues that Kamala Harris and i would see Eye To eye on the Donald Trump and Jd Vance cannot be trusted with the constitution. They cannot be trusted to uphold our Rule Of Law and they cant be trusted to enact responsible Policy Guess he hutchinson joins a shortly joining us now is mkela car who served as Chief Of Staff to Kevin Mccarthy when he was House Speaker before he was ousted a year ago today with us as well, cnn political commentators, Bakari Sellers and former republican congressman adam kinzinger, who served on the January 6 committee with Liz Cheney and like her has endorsed by president harris, also cnns kristen holmes, whos traveling with the Trump Campaign. So congressman, how important and maybe a surreal is it for voters to see Liz Cheney up on that Stage Campaigning with Kamala Harris well, its probably pretty surreal. Its very important because again, if this is kind of the republican base, a significant amount or sold on trump and theyre going nowhere. But theres an amount of republicans here that are embarrassed by him, but they still think theres some vestige of the old party left. And i just remind them, as id remind everybody, look Liz Cheney, i mean, im conservative. Liz cheney makes me look like a raving liberal. Shes extremely conservative our viewpoints havent changed from when she was number three in line to for The Party, she was the number third most powerful republican. When i was called a Rising Star in The Party. So what changed . Well, the answer is really simple we did not bow the knee in Pledge Allegiance to Donald Trump. So anybody that tries to pretend like somehow this party is the same party and this is the group were talking to. You cant say that its literally just do you commit to Donald Trump or not . And after what we saw, particularly on the January 6 committee and what we saw with the Filing Yesterday with jack smith, this guy is absolutely unqualified to sit again in the Oval Office and have nuclear codes. Bakari, i want to play something else that the Vice President said tonight i know, the vast majority of us, regardless of your political party agree we must hold sacred americas fundamental principles. No matter your political party, there is a place for you with us. And in this campaign, because those principles, i know unite us across party lines and in this election i take seriously my pledge to be a president for all americans it is extraordinary to hear a democratic candidate making a statement like that with Liz Cheney standing right next to her. Do you believe that there are enough voters out there who might be receptive to that message. I think so. And i think that Congressman Kinzinger or adam, as i call them, actually hit the nail on the head because the simple fact is there a lot of people who dont get caught up in the partisan politics of washington, dc they feel as if this country is better than what weve seen. They wouldnt new elected officials. I mean, i dont necessarily quote Nikki Haley a lot. But Nikki Haley actually said that the first party to get a younger person, somebody who represented the future would be the more successful party. And i think youre seeing that the democratic party finds itself at it interesting crossroads today. I mean you have the kind of ill fate of losing The Endorsement or not gaining The Endorsement of the firefighters union. But on the flip side, you see Kamala Harris doing something that is just fundamentally fascinating, which is one goal to places democrats dont normally go fight after every single vote and im not sure youve ever seen anyone cobble together a coalition that looks like Bernie Sanders Aoc taylor swift, Bruce Springsteen and now you actually have Liz Cheney on her father, as well as adding kissinger, as well as geoff duncan. I mean, this is a coalition that resembles what the united states of america it looks like. Its led by someone who looks like Kamala Harris and just maybe thats a winning strategy. I mean, our fingers across mikela want to play something else that, that Liz Cheney said. So tonight in this election a broad coalition has Come Together To Support Vice President Kamala Harris now, we may disagree on some things but we are bound together by The One thing that matters to us as americans, more than any other. And thats our duty to our constitution and our belief and the miracle and the blessing of this incredible nation. The former president is trying to paint Kamala Harris as a marxist, a radical sounds a little harder after Liz Cheney addict chaining, endorsing her know now, look if these endorsements are trying to be used to take somehow convince The American people that Kamala Harris is a moderate or anything other than the radical liberal that wants to raise taxes and wants to take guns in a mandatory Buyback Program and wants to end the filibuster and wants to ban an offshore drilling. I dont campaigning about taking guns, whether of course hes not campaigning about it. But she also wasnt denying it. Instead of being asked if shes still supports the policies that she has always supported, including a mandatory gun buyback. She says, im a gun owner, which is very typical to be someone who is going to inculcate themselves from the policies that they are pushing. But i just dont believe and there are people on this panel tonight, the disagree with me, but believed that January 6 serves as a Permission Strategy to embrace radical leftist policies. And theyre not conservative policies. And shes not a conservative person. Kristen i want to play. First of all, Congressman Kinzinger, do you buy this radical left attack on Kamala Harris not know its ringing hollow. Shes made it very clear. She shes actually taken a lot of Real Estate that Donald Trump vacated you know, hes not proud of america the republicans arent proud of america. Theyre proud of america. And their vision of 1950. And thats what they keep talking to, be talking about as that old america. But america as it exists today . No. And shes showing that american pride. So look, i dont agree with kamala on everything, of course, but my demine, weve argued the same issues for 100 years. Anderson were going to argue on for another hundred years. This is a unique moment in time. Were talking about our democracy. And after January 6, after mccarthy bowed the knee to Donald Trump and resurrected him, weve got to take a strong stand to save this party in the country. Chris, i do want to play what former President Trump told Fox Today about cheneys support for harris well, alicia, any lost for congress she was terrible. Liz cheney is a stupid warhawk. Oh, she wants to do is shoot missiles at paypal. I really think it hurts. I think frankly, if kamala i think they hurt each other, i think theres so bad boss i, mean, is it clear how much if at all concerned . I could help harris on the margins in swing states i mean, do you think their campaign is the Trump Base like this . Well, in a race like this where both sides believed that they could be determined in the margins. Of course, theres always going to be concerned that anything could swing handful of voters, which again, could determine the outcome of the election. Now, overall, the Trump Campaign doesnt believe that these the worst moments are hurting Donald Trump, buts much as republicans or democrats on the other side have said that it would. But theres also a belief that Donald Trumps base is a different republican party, that they had already discounted Liz Cheney, that they had been following along for the last three years as the former president s Slam Cheney yes, they went back and forth after each other and that this isnt that big of a surprise to those people. The one Thing Anderson that i cannot stress enough is the fact that Donald Trump privately understands that hes not going to get a lot of these moderate voters. He might say that hes trying to appeal to women, but part of the Strategy Isnt really going after these moderate in the middle independent voters because there is a belief that theyll never vote for Donald Trump. Instead, theyre trying to find these low propensity voters in areas that they believe would be leaning Donald Trump, leaning republican to try and expand the electorate, not go after a certain group of voters that they think that theyve probably already lost bakari. How new progressive democrats like yourself . I think maybe a very progressive democrat. How can you square being in the same political boat is Liz Cheney . And Dick Cheney. I think the thing i think the thing that brings us together, the tie that binds us is Donald Trump and we understand that democracy is fragile. We understand we in the last four or 56 years, weve seen the fragility of democracy and understand that we want to preserve it. I mean, there are a lot of people in this country who dont care about partisan politics. They put country over party. I mean, thats why when you say things like she wants to take your guns and rings hollow because the people who say that Kamala Harris wants to take your weapons or guns are the same people who have been waiting for Barak Obama and knock on your door since 2008. Those old partisan lines dont work anymore. When were talking about making sure door that democracy works for everybody. And this is a choice election, anderson, ive said this on your show before and ive said it repeatedly. People had three choices in this race. Thats it. You had three choices. You either vote for Kamala Harris, Donald Trump, or the couch. Those are your three choices. And i think the two of those choices or detriment mental to the future of this country. And one choices, Kamala Harris. Now, does that mean that shes going to win this race . Im not sure if she still an underdog. But the fact that shes going to places in wisconsin the democrats dont often go to the fact shes standing with Liz Cheney, but shes also talking about making sure that black men and hispanic men are heard. I mean, this is something that we havent seen before in this last 30 days is going to be a sprint where shes meeting voters, where they are, and where shes going after each and every voter. No matter what you look like, who you pray to or what party youve been a part of. Mikela, have you ever seen a president Ial Campaign where so many of the people who once worked with a candidate have come out Cabinet Members distinguished generals, former chiefs of staff Liz Cheney, Cassidy Hutchinson, alyssa farah farahgriffin, sarah matthews, i mean, so many people from the administration have come out with really terrible things to say about, about Donald Trump. If you ever seen a campaign where this has occurred, i havent i havent seen that. I think one of the things that adam points to is that there is a bit of a realignment happening here. And Kamala Harris is attempting to take positions that were traditionally held by republicans. You do have in this instance members the Democrat Party endorsing trump, whether its Tulsi Gabbard or rfk, and we dont see that being talked about in the same context. But i do think there are a lot of things to Adams Point that she is trying to claim his positions, that shes going to lead on. But that rhetoric is completely countered by her record in public office. Alright, were going take a quick break to that point just ahead tonight. Cassidy hutchinson on her journey from trump whit

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