Transcripts For CNN Anderson Cooper 360 20241004 : compareme

Transcripts For CNN Anderson Cooper 360 20241004

Republican party was born fellow conservative harris supporter adam kinzinger joins us. So does cassidy hutchinson and one of the three former trump white house staffers will make their own case against their old boss next week in pennsylvania. And tonight, melania trump selling her book and staking out a for different position on abortion from her husband and especially his party. Good evening. Thanks for joining us. They have politics, makes strange bedfellows tonight. That same notion also makes news just a short time ago in ripon, wisconsin, home of the republican party, one of the grant this names the grand old party campaign for the democratic candidate for president. Former wyoming republican congresswoman liz cheney, who like her father dick cheney is both a staunch conservative and now a harris supporter i cast my first vote ever in 1984 for ronald reagan i served in the state department in both bush administrations and i served in the united states house of representatives for three terms, including as the third highest ranking republican in house leadership so republican even before donald trump started spray tanning 20 years ago when we were campaigning in wisconsin and all across the country, we were campaigning as compassion senate conservatives what january 6 shows us is that there is not an ounce, not an ounce of compassion. And donald trump he is petty. He has vindictive, and he is cruel. And donald trump is not fit to lead this good and great nation every endorsement matters and this endorsement matters a great deal is and carries the specials, special significance because as you, as you said, we may not see the ai on every issue and we are going to get back to a healthy twoparty system. I'm sure of that where we will have vigorous debates cheney will also be making her case against trump next week in pennsylvania, along with former trump administration members, alyssa farah griffin, sarah matthews. And as i said, cassidy hutchinson who endorsed vice president harris last night policy is important. It's very important to me and there may be few issues that kamala harris and i would see eye to eye on the donald trump and jd vance cannot be trusted with the constitution. They cannot be trusted to uphold our rule of law. And they can't be trusted fact responsible policy because he hutchinson joins a shortly joining us now is mkela car who served as chief of staff to kevin mccarthy when he was house speaker before he was ousted a year ago. Today with us as well, cnn political commentators, bakari sellers and former republican congressman adam kinzinger. He's served on the january 6 committee with liz cheney and like her has endorsed by i suppose, and harris also cnn's kristen holmes, who's traveling with the trump campaign. So congressman, how important and maybe surreal is it for voters to see liz cheney up on that stage campaigning with kamala harris well it's, probably pretty, surreal. It's very important because again, if this is kind of the republican base, a significant amount or sold on trump and they're going nowhere. But there's an amount of republicans here that are embarrassed by him, but they still think there's some vestige of the old party left. And i just remind them as i'd remind everybody, look liz cheney, i mean, i'm conservative. Liz cheney makes me look like a raving liberal. She's extremely conservative. Are viewpoints haven't changed from when she was number three in line to for the party, she was the number third most powerful republican. When i was called a rising star in the party. So what changed? well, the answer this is really simple. We did not bow the knee and pledge allegiance to donald trump. So anybody that tries to pretend like somehow this party is the same party and this is the group we're talking to. You can't say that it's literally just do you commit to donald trump or not? and after what we saw, particularly on the january 6 committee and what we saw with the filing yesterday with jack smith, just guy is absolutely unqualified to sit again in the oval office and have nuclear codes bakari, i want to play something else that the vice president said tonight i know the vast majority of us, regardless of your political party agree we must hold sacred america's fundamental principles, no matter your political party, there is a place for you with us. And in this campaign, because those principles i know unite us across party lines. And in this election, i take seriously my pledge to be a president for all americans it is extraordinary to hear a democratic candidate making a statement like that with liz cheney standing you know, right next to her do you believe that there are enough voters out there who might be receptive to that message i think so. And i think that congressman kinzinger or adam, as i call them, actually hit the nail on the head because the simple fact is there a lot of people who don't get caught up in the partisan politics of washington hinton, dc they feel as if this country is better than what we've seen. They want it new elected officials. I mean, i don't necessarily quote nikki haley a lot. But nikki haley actually said that the first party to get a younger person, somebody who represented the future would be the more successful party. And i think you're seeing that the democratic party finds itself at an interesting crossroads today. I mean, you have the kind of ill fate of losing the endorsement or not gaining the endorsement of the firefighters union. But on the flip side, you see kamala harris doing something that is just fundamentally fascinating, which is one, go it's a place as democrats don't normally go, fight after every single vote and i'm not sure you've ever seen anyone cobble together a coalition that looks like bernie sanders, aoc, taylor swift, bruce springsteen and now you actually have liz cheney and her father as well as adding kissinger as well as geoff duncan. I mean, this is a coalition that resembles what the united states of america looks like. And it's led by someone who looks like kamala harris and just maybe that's a winning strategy. I mean, our fingers across mikhail, i want to play something else to that liz cheney said. So tonight in this election a broad coalition has come together to support vice president kamala harris now we may disagree on some things, but we are bound together by the one thing that matters to us as americans. More than any other. And that's our duty to our constitution and our belief in the miracle and the blessing of this incredible nation. The former president is trying to paint kamala harris as a marxist, a radical sounds a little harder after liz cheney and dick cheney endorsing her know now, look, if these endorsements are trying to be used to to somehow convince the american people that kamala harris is a moderate or anything other than the radical liberal that wants to raise taxes and wants to take guns in a mandatory buyback program, and wants to end the filibuster and wants to an offshore drilling. I don't campaigning about taking guns. Of course, she's not campaigning about it, but she also isn't denying it. Instead of being asked if she's still supports the policies that she has always supported, including a mandatory gun buyback. She says, i'm a gun owner, which is very typical to be someone who is going to inculcate themselves from the policies that they are pushing. But i just let's don't believe and there are people on this panel tonight. The disagree with me, but i don't believe that january 6 serves as a permission strategy to embrace radical leftist policies. And they're not conservative policies. And she's not a conservative person. Christian. I want to play. First of all, congressman kinzinger, do you buy this radical left attack on kamala harris not know. It's ringing hollow. She's made it very clear. She she's actually taken a lot of real estate that donald trump vacated he's not proud of america, the republicans aren't proud of america. They're proud of america. And their vision of 1950. And that's what they keep talking about, is that old america, but america is that exist today? no. And she's showing that american pride so look, i don't agree with kamala on everything, of course, but my we've argued the same issues for 100 years, anderson, we're going arguing for another hundred years. This is a unique moment in time. We're talking about our democracy. And after january 6, after mccarthy bowed the knee to donald trump and resurrected him, we've got to take a strong stand to save this party in the contract. Chris, i do want to play what former president trump told fox today about cheney's support for harris well, alicia, any lost for congress she was terrible. Liz cheney is a stupid warhawk. Oh, she wants to do is shoot missiles at paypal. I really think it hurts. I think frankly, if kamala i think they're hurt each other, i think there's so bad boss i, mean, is it clear how much if at all concerned cheney? i mean, could help harris on the margins in swing states i mean, do you think they're campaign is the trump base like this? well, in, a race like this where both sides believed that they could be determined in the margins. Of course, there's always going to be concerned that anything could swing a handful of voters, which again, could determine the outcome of the election. Now overall, the trump campaign doesn't believe that these the worst moments are hurting donald trump, but's much as republicans or democrats on the other side have said that it would, but there's also a belief that donald trump's base is a different republican party, that they had already discounted liz cheney, that they had been following along for the last three years as the former president's slam fani as they went back and forth after each other. And that this isn't that big of a surprise to those people. One thing anderson, that i cannot stress enough is the fact that donald trump privately understands that he's not going to get a lot of these moderate voters. He might say that he's trying to appeal to women, but part of the strategy isn't really going out for these moderate in the middle independent voters because there is a belief that they'll never vote for donald trump. Instead, they're trying to find these low propensity voters in areas that they believe would be leaning donald trump, leaning republican to try and expand the electorate, not go after a certain group of voters that they think that they've probably already lost bakari. How do progressive democrats like yourself? i think he would maybe a very progressive democrat. How can you square being in the same political boat is liz cheney? and dick cheney, i think the thing i think the thing that brings us together, the tie that binds us is donald trump and we understand that democracy is fragile. We understand we in the last four or 56 years, we've seen the fragility of democracy and understand that we want to preserve it. I mean, there are a lot of people in the this country who don't care about partisan politics. They put country over party. I mean, that's why when you say things like she wants to take your guns and rings hollow because the people who say that commonly harris wants to take your weapons or guns are the same people who have been waiting for barak obama and knock on your door since 2008. Those old partisan lines don't work anymore. When we're talking about making sure that democracy works for everybody. This is a choice election. Anderson, i've said this on your show before and i've said it repeatedly. People had three choices in this race. That's it. You have three choices. You either vote for kamala harris, donald trump, or the couch. Those are your three choices. And i think the two of those choices are detrimental to the future of this country in one choices, kamala harris now, does that mean that she's going to win this race? i'm not sure. She's still an underdog. But the fact that she's going to places in wisconsin, the democrats don't often go to the fact she's standing with liz cheney, but she's also talking about making sure that black men and hispanic men hurd. I mean, this is something that we haven't seen before in this last 30 days is going to be a sprint where she's meeting voters, where they are, and where she's going after each and every voter. No matter what you look like, who you pray to or what party you been a part of? mikela, have you ever seen a presidential campaign? where so many of the people who once worked with a candidate have come out cabinet members distinguished generals, former chiefs of staff liz cheney, cassidy hutchinson, alyssa farah farahgriffin, sarah matthews. So many people from the administration have come out with really terrible things to say about about donald trump. If you've ever seen a campaign where this has occurred i haven't i haven't seen that. I think one of the things that adam points to is that there is a bit of a realignment happening here. And kamala harris is attempting to take positions that were traditionally held by republicans. You do have in this instance, members of the democrat party endorsing trump, whether it's tulsi gabbard albert, or rfk, and we don't see that being talked about in the same context but i do think there are a lot of things that just to adams point that she is trying to claim as positions that she's going to lead on, but that rhetoric is completely countered by her record in public office. When to. Take a quick break at that point, just ahead tonight. 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I've never seen a promo like that her the video at least is by the book tonight her husband had this to say on the subject i mean, we spoke about it and i said, you have to write what you believe. I'm not going to tell you what to do. You have to write what you believe she's very beloved people love our former first lady. I can tell you that with your heart. I've said that to everybody. You have to go with your heart. There are some people that are very, very far right in the issue, meaning without exceptions and then there are other people that view it a little bit differently. I've recovered my shock back with makayla car and bakari sellers joining us. Cnn, kaitlan collins, who anchors the source coming up at the top of the next hour, she's also going to profile him melania trump and her democratic counterpart, doug emhoff, airing right here sunday night on the whole story. Okay. Kaitlan. So it is all shot and have a shadow, the dark. Yeah. I mean, it's fascinating never we've seen that before. So i usually just like due just on the camera phone but instagram. Yeah so the timing of this revelation, i mean, obviously, there is a promotional aspect to it. It makes a headlines. We're talking about this book, which we would not have been talking about otherwise what do you make of the fact that she has made the statement now yeah. Well, you can't ignore that. It's happening 30 some days out from the election in which abortion has been singlehandedly, the worst issue for her husband, for his party that he has struggled with when it comes to women voters and maintaining their support and growing their support, which hasn't really been able to do. But also, i think it has more to do with melania trump promoting her book that it is promoting her husband's presidential campaign. I think she has this book. She's been doing a series of videos like this, maybe none is dramatic as this one. But it's coming out in a few days and she very clearly wants to be able to sell copies to have this book be a bestseller. So that is why she's coming out and she's very strategic. She knows what will make news and what will get headlines. There was this report about from the log cabin group that she had received money 200 and something thousand dollars for an appearance at the log cabin which was the gay republican group. The like kevin said, they didn't pay for it, but somebody clearly somebody paid her you've worked on this documentary. I read that she had requested or somebody had not she but but somebody from the publisher had requested money for an interview. Yeah. We obviously we're asking for one anytime someone has a book, especially someone newsworthy as someone is maybe the future first lady is putting out a book you ask for an interview and her publisher sent a request to cnn for six figures in order to have what not just that, also a nondisclosure agreement, obviously, two things that you don't do for interviews. You don't pay the guest and you don't sign nondisclosures with them. But those were two things they wanted. Now, the publisher, when cnn went back and asked about it and was going to make this public, said it was mistake and melania trump's team has said that she had nothing to do with that, that she wasn't aware of it, but it is the exact same amount that she made when she spoke to that group at a fundraiser, $250,000. Obviously, cnn did not sign that. We just don't know the publisher was asking for $250,000 in order for her to do an interview with cnn. She's only done one national interview that i've

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