Ago, a federal judge released the most comprehensive narrative to date of the trial 2020 Election Subversion Case against former president Donald Trump. Its all laid out in a 165 Page Document filed by the Office Of Special Counsel, Jack Smith, as the office plays out a case for the judge in a way that Jack Smith and his lawyers believe would get around the president ial Immunity Protections outlined by the u. S. Supreme court and a Decision Jim made earlier this year. Lets get straight to cnns Paula Reid and paula just to be clear to our viewers, this just dropped a minutes ago, so were all just going over this information, absorbing at trying to determine whats new, whats important you have been reviewing it in the few minutes it dropped what stands out to you at this early hour and take this as an extraordinary filing that was just released to the public. Its enormous like you said, its roughly 170 pages and it is full of redactions were not getting to see everything that the Special Counsel said. But what makes this so extraordinary is were just a month out from the President Michel Election and here the Special Counsel is really revealing the most comprehensive picture yet of its case against former President Trump and his alleged efforts to subvert the 2020 election. And this is not something that usually happens in the course of a criminal case. But what is extraordinary here, there are many things that are extraordinary, but back in july, the Supreme Court looked at this case and ruled that former President Trump does have some immunity from prosecution and tasked the Trial Judge with evaluating this case and determining which charges at which pieces of evidence survive the Supreme Courts decision so a couple of days ago, the Special Counsel, they submitted a roughly 200 Page Filing to the judge laying out what they believe is its case, even after the Supreme Courts ruling. Here, were getting some of that though there are redactions. Now former President Trumps lawyers, they have been fighting the release of this evidence, arguing that this is potentially prejudicial to the November Race because of course, this is the last chance that voters will have to see some of this evidence, some of which has never been seen before. And to really hear the story that Jack Smith and his prosecutors would have put before a jury because of course, this case is not going to trial anytime soon. And a former President Trump is reelected. His Attorney General is expected to dismiss this case, as well as the other federal case against trump so well, let me just ask you about some of these redactions because again, im a lay person, im not a lawyer like yourself and the wifes people involved in this case, but they dont really make a whole lot of sense to me for Example P1 is quite obviously steve bannon, just to read and this is page seven. So i havent really gotten very far in it, but by october 2020, P1 A Private political advisor who had worked for the defendants 2016 president ial campaign began to assist with the Defendants Reelection Effort three days before Election Day P1 described the defendants plan to a private gathering of supporters, quote. And what trumps going to do is just declare victory, right . Hes going to declare victory. That doesnt mean hes the winner. Hes just going to say hes the winner, unquote. Now, that quote exists on video, we know that steve bannon, why even redacted so here you do see redactions mostly of specific names of witnesses. Again, this is highly unusual to release the kind of evidence that you have uncovered any criminal investigation, any filing like this that is made public. So these are the types of redactions though any one whos covered this case, this investigation, and whos followed the story when given a little bit of time . Going to figure out who most of these people are. Because as you said, this has been something thats been out in the open. Theres of course, the January 6 committee. Theyve been other cases related to this. So its going to be pretty easy to figure out who said what, but the court here making some attempt to protect the identities of officials in this case of witnesses, right . Because these were people who either testified before the grand Grand Jury or spoke to investigators. I just want to underscore this is an extraordinary thing to get a filing like this, and this is part of the courts efforts to try to protect those witnesses. But like you said, you only got to page seven and you already knew who one of the witnesses was . Well, for anybody at home who was doing this that kinda like a Bingo Game page 18, it refers to georgia Governor Peace 17. I believe thats probably brian kemp. I mean, im no Master Strategist here, but but i mean, would that be your reading as well . Yes. I think this is an easy mad libs. If you look at it that way. And again, what were looking for specifically is any new evidence, things that we havent actually heard before, specifically new evidence from former Vice President Mike Pence. There is a listing of different conversations that he had with then President Trump on page 13 that is one example of evidence that could be new never before seen. Were also looking for anything related to former white House Chief of Staff Mark meadows, because it its been unclear what exactly he provided in the course of this investigation, and those are two incredibly important witnesses. But also they are the focus of Defense Attorneys for former President Trump. Were going to argue that any conversations that trump had with his White House the staff, or is Vice President would have fallen under his official duties and that those cannot be used as evidence in speaking with sources close to the trump legal team, they have always believed that they could probably kill this case outright by just attacking those key pieces of evidence. And now were getting to see some evidence. Weve never seen before. All right. Paula, go back to the documentation. I know you got a lot of reading to do 160 or so pages left will come back to you in a second, but in the meantime, let me bring in cnn senior legal analyst, Elie Honig elie, what this in legal context for us obviously the political context is obvious. We are just under five weeks until the president ial election, and were going to hear from the Trump Team that this is election interference. Its being dropped right before the election but, but put it in the legal context for us well jake, what Jack Smith is doing here is hes essentially laying out his trial case, but on paper rather than in a courtroom. Now the reason hes doing this all stems back to the u. S. Supreme courts immunity ruling, which came down on July 1 of this year. What Jack Smith is now arguing to the district judge, the Trial Judge. Judge chutkan, is all the things that weve alleged against Donald Trump veteran the new indictment, the Slimmer Indictment that was returned a couple of weeks ago. All of these were personal or political acts and not official acts. Theres a quote in here from Jack Smith that i think sums up his approach very well. He says, quote, the through line of trumps efforts was deceit. The through line of these efforts was not doing his job as president. He was acting to see equally so Jack Smith here, this is his brief, and he sank to Judge Chutkan all the stuff thats in our new slimmeddown indictment. Its all okay. It none of it is entitled to immunity. And we should be able to proceed to trial on it. How did this motion come about . Its important for folks to understand why it is that Jack Smith was and he was given a Green Light by Judge Chutkin to file this and have it be released he certainly was. And there are a couple of unusual things about the way this happened. Jake. So first of all ordinarily, when youre when it comes time for motions, the defense goes first, the prosecution puts in its indictment. The defense says, heres what we object to in the indictment and the Prosecution Respond funds here. Jack smith said a few weeks ago, Judge Chutkan, we want to go first and Judge Chutkan actually said, well, thats quite unusual, but she let them go first and the effect of that now is we essentially have Jack Smiths case at least on paper, at least the parts that have not been redacted or to 30 some days before the election. Whereas we might not otherwise have it hadnt now, Donald Trumps team will respond to this. They will essentially all the stuff that he is accused of doing was all part of his official job, including under Mike Pence conversations and jake, i should note like you a mountain all the way through this thing. But just to give you a taste of what paul and others are looking at it, there is a list of conversations fairly early on in this brief, its just a bullet point list, a page and more of conversations that Donald Trump had with Mike Pence and some of that i believe gives us new detail for example, at one point, Donald Trump tells Mike Pence, according to Jack Smith, to treat it not as a lost the election, not as the lost just as an intermission. So we are going to see some more details about those key conversations. And were going to go to Kaitlin Polantz for more on that list of pence conversations which does seem knew how will the judge proceed from here, What Happens Next . Well, take the judge is going to have to look at this evidence one thing that is happening in this case is that the Justice Department is trying to draw that line between this is the Evidence Weve gathered. This is what we know publicly was happening that Donald Trump was doing publicly sending tweets. And this is how we can prove it to a jury in a way thats admissible in court because Theres Lot thats the rules around that. An example, Donald Trump in the Dining Room on January 6 at 2 24 p. M. Prosecutors are writing in this filing that they want to show in Court Trump was alone in his Dining Room and he issued a Tweet Attacking Pence to fuel the ongoing riot. So this is the obstruction, the spirit at the heart of the case, and the way they say theyre going to do it in this filing is they say we have testimony from somebody who was working in the White House as the white House Deputy Chief of staff. We want to call that person as a witness at trial. Theyre identifying him as a person 45. And when they call that person to try trial, that person will testify that he was the only person aside from Donald Trump, able to send a tweet on Donald Trumps Twitter Account and the person 45, the witness is not the person that sent that to 20 4 00 p. M. Tweet about Mike Pence saying Mike Pence didnt have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our kids and street and our constitution. So pooling altogether to say, heres a witness who can point to what Donald Trump himself knowingly chose to do on January 6 to pressure or to obstruct the certification of the vote to fuel the rioters that were outside of the capital, putting that in a way that is coupled to what is actually known. These tweets from Donald Trump. They have to draw every single line very clearly in court and they also have to show the court in this brief how these things are not part of his president ial duties, how this was the campaign, and these were things done Donald Trump was doing for himself and not for the country. And just thank you. Kaitlan, stick around and let us know when you find more stuff to talk about, just just to reiterate what this is fundamentally about. I understand all the politics of it. But just to understand what this is fundamentally, fundamentally about, at least according to Special Counsel Jack Smith the factual proffer begins with quote, when the defendant lost the 2020 president ial election, he resorted to crimes to try to stay in office with private coconspirators. The defendant launched a series of increasingly desperate plans to overturn the legitimate Election Results in seven states. That he had lost. So this is about crimes that were committed allegedly. Lets bring in cnns evan perez. Evan, there are also details in here about another close Trump Ally as paula alluded to, not just Vice President parents, but then white House Chief of staff, Mark Meadows. Thats right, jake, i mean, one of the things that the special the counsel is doing with this filing is that theyre going State By state. Youll remember jake, that part of the key. The key effort here by Donald Trump and his team was to try to figure out a way to get some of these states that they believe were going to be close enough to then make them have litigation to be able to have go to the Supreme Court and perhaps get some some way, some kind of like 2000 era. If you remember, Bush V. Gore, have the Supreme Court essentially give him the presidency in that way. That was the game. And so what they were doing statebystate as they were pushing forward, different Conspiracy Theories about different things in the state of georgia cortright, one of the things that you see here on page 21, they talk about how they were pushing this idea that there were 10,000 dead voters who were, who they say had, had, had cast ballots. And one of the things youll see the Special Counsel say the defendant had early notice that the claim of Election Fraud in georgia was false around midnight remember Campaign Adviser identified as p4 told the defendant that has claimed that a large number of dead people had voted in georgia was false. Now one of the things you see in the document, you see that they have clearly they have access to Mark Meadowss communications. Jake, that was a key thing that was battled over between the Justice Department and the Trump Team and so the question remains, you what role will we see Mark Meadows play if this ever goes to trial . Are we going to see him, britt brought to court and made to talk about some of these these private communications because some of these communications the Special Counsel notes jake, happened on his personal Cell Phone not on his phone, that he was using for government business. So again, theres a refrain you see in this document trying to make sure that people notice that this is all about private conduct, not Donald Trumps role as president , that he was working in his capacity as a candidate and keep people like Mike Pence and Mark Meadows were essentially serving in roles not their constitutional roles inside the presidency. Jake. All right. Evan perez, standby, and all of our experts all are correspondents covering this are going over the filing right now and when they find something important or something interesting, theyre letting our team now we go back to them and this is a first first example of that. Paula reid is back with us now. Tell us more about what youre finding. So in speaking with the Trump Side of this, trumps lawyers have declined to comment, but they have issued an official statement from his spokesman, steven cheung. Now, they are trying to tie the release of this filing to the in november election, something i predicted short time ago, they would do saying quote, the release of this falsehood written unconstitutional January 6 Brief immediately following Tim Walzs disastrous Debate Performance is another obvious attempt by the harris Biden Regime to undermine american democracy and interfere in this election deranged Jack Smith and Washington Dc radical democrats are hellbent on weaponizing the Justice Department in an attempt to cling to power President Trump is dominating and the radical democrats throughout the deep state or freaking out this entire case is a partisan, unconstitutional Witch Hunt that should be dismissed entirely together with all the remaining democratic hoaxes. Now, clearly that is filled with hyperbole and subjective statements about the race itself. But this is again, a more dramatic way. A of making the same argument that his lawyers have made, which is that releasing this evidence, allowing prosecutors to effectively summarize their case for The American Public Without A Trial is unfair to their client. They say doing this this close to an election is not fair. They argue that it is unconstitutional we have seen similar arguments like this in all of the other trump criminal cases. And i will note that the Supreme Court reviewed this case and they did not find that it was illegitimate or illegal. They just said that trump has some immunity and ask the Trial Judge to assess the case accordingly. Yeah, i was not commenting on the Fairness Or Unfairness of it at all. I mean, it was a trump legal tactic to delay delay, delay, delay. This could have come out much earlier in the year. They delayed it as long as they could were trying to delay it past the election. Jack smith and Judge Chutkan said not so fast, but i understand their argument certainly. Again, if youre just tuning in, there is a brand new Court Filing, 165 pages just dropped from Special Counsel Jack Smith. It is part of the prosecution of Donald Trump and the January 6 case. This is our first look at this new evidence against trump is coming 34 days before the election. Or reporters are digging into the filing. Were gonna go back to them. Im also going to bring in a former Trump Attorney with some political commentators and other expert reporters were keep it here. Were back in a moment at nine On Cnn. Ill give you this brand new electric vehicle if you can. Proved to me, you know, your finances, how many subscriptions are you paying for . Just three. You sure. Lets download the Rocket Money App right now and see if your rights actually 21 subscriptions, which is costing around 370 a month. 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