To his arrest in manhattan 6 00 a. M. Here in washington. A live look at west palm beach, florida, where of ports this morning that investigation into the apparent Assassination Attempt against Donald Trump will continue. Morning, everyone, Im Kasie hunt. Its wonderful to have you with us. Were just now seven weeks away from Election Day on this tuesday what the conversations that were having are of course, not about polls or policy instead, for the second time in almost two months, one candidate is giving a firsthand account of the moment that shots rang out near him i was playing golf with some of my friends who was on a Sunday Morning and very peaceful, very beautiful weather. Everything was beautiful. Its nice place to be. And all of a sudden we heard shots being fired in the air. And i guess probably four or five and it sounded like bullets, but what do i know about that . But Secret Service knew immediately bullets and they grabbed me. I would have loved to have sank that last putt, but we decided lets get out of here we now know that each of those shots were fired by the Secret Service to try to neutralize the threat posed by a gunman spotted in the bushes lets toss back to ryan wesley roof, now believed to have been lying in wait near trumps Golf Course for about 12 hours. Thats according to a Court Filing thats based on phone records. He faces two Weapons Charges and could face more serious charges as the investigation proceeds. Speaking yesterday in philadelphia, biden addressed this apparent second attempt on the life of his predecessor there is no and i mean, this in a bottom, those, you know, we many of you do no place in political violence for political violence in america, none, zero, never american suffered too many times. The tragedy given an Assassins Bullet it solves nothing. And just chairs the country apart must do everything we can to prevent it. And never give it any Oxygen President biden also called Trump Yesterday to discuss trumps Secret Service protection. The White House describing The Call as a cordial conversation in a statement to cnn, trumps said it was quote, very nice and quotes still. Trump not shying away from blaming his opponents for this second attempt on his life in a social Media Post yesterday, trump claiming and that harris his words during last weeks debate, in addition to his own ongoing legal cases have Quote Taken Politics and our country to a whole new level of hatred, abuse, and distrust because of the communist left rhetoric. The bullets are flying and it will only get worse trumps running mate, j. D vance, made this Argument Yesterday im not going to say were always perfect. Im not going to say that conservatives always get things exactly right. But you know, the big difference between conservatives and liberals is that we, No One has tried to kill Kamala Harris in the last couple of months and two people now have tried to kill Donald Trump in the last couple of months, id say thats pretty strong evidence that the left needs to tone down the rhetoric and needs to cut this crap out. Somebody is gonna get hurt by it. On the point of rhetoric, trump regularly calls Kamala Harris a fascist. And in may, he said biden runs a Gestapo Administration referencing the nazi Secret Police some democrats arguing Donald Trumps language is contributing to the problem. This was michigan Congresswoman Debbie Dingell to peoples fear people we also need to understand and what he is and how much he is contributing wow. All right. Joining us to discuss jonah goldberg, cnn Political Commentator, cofounder of the dispatch alex thompson, cnn political analyst, national political reporter for axios. Karen finney, a cnn Political Commentator, former Senior Adviser to Hillary Clintons 2016 Campaign And David urban, cnn senior Political Commentator there and former Senior Adviser to Donald Trumps 2016 campaign. Welcome to all of you. Thank you for being here its another week of difficult conversations about violence in our politics. When we should be covering polling and ads and other things. Instead, were talking about bullets and assassinations jonah goldberg, we were obviously struck by what j. D. Vance said, there about how well No One is shooting at Kamala Harris. Curious what you hear in that because at a time when we are getting bipartisan calls to tone down the rhetoric curious if you think that that lines up with it i think j. D. Vance has as a gift for phrasing things in such a way as to enrage the very people. Hes claiming to try and calm down and look, i dont find this a difficult conversation to have. I found it a difficult conversation to listen to. I think this whole thing has gotten really dumb and you have Donald Trump saying in his Fox News digital Interview Yesterday that whats outrageous is that theyre using Extremist Rhetoric about him when they should be using it about Kamala Harris right . So it was objection. Isnt about the demonization of political pohlmann opponents and insightful rhetoric. His problem is, is that theyre the insightful rhetoric is being rammed, aimed at the wrong person. And he thinks it would be better placed. And his enemies because theyre The Ones that will destroy the country thats . Really a stupid position to take as are most of these think im one of these conservatives who has been consistent on this for 20 years. You shouldnt blame the actions of madman on politicians who use rhetoric. It was wrong when they did it. Sarah palin its wrong when theyre doing it to harris. Its wrong and were doing it to trump. Only one of these two shooters, right . Which is a very small Data Sample do we know how it very serious political opinions . The other one, The One from butler, its kind of a Black Box still in a country of 337 Million people. I could talk right now about how vests have no sleeves and make someone violently angry. We cannot order on our entire political system around that. David urban. Yeah, look, i agree with jonah. You cant you cant ascribe or at least i wouldnt describe any modus to the either of these gentlemen for what they did lying awake, theyre obviously both probably have mental mental illness issues. But then again, i similarly, were talking about blame and incendiary language i think theres a level of personal responsibility in america i think that if democrats and republicans want to agree that democrats arent inciting republicans to violence has been publicans arent inciting democrats, has to be across the board. You cant just say, well, Will Trump did it on January 6 by telling people to go to the capitol and do these things. But when we when we talk about Big Trump being a threat to the democracy and our union will end does it really doesnt really matter equivalent, david, i do actually do because i mean, think about this when an american history, i mean, press the way, Way Back Button and you remember when Sarah Palin im excited me, Sarah Huckabee sanders colleague, chased out of a restaurant. That her family was kind of being yelled at and physically, i dont see physically threat, but she said to me they felt physically threatened. Do remember when Maxine Waters or did you see a Trump Official go getting his face, make it uncomfortable . Thats not normal. We crossed the line there. Its like you remember back in new York City when we live in new York City, when those kids were throwing buckets of water on the police and things at the police, garbage cans. And i said thats that is not acceptable behavior and its a Slippery Slope from there. So its a Slippery Slope from protesting nobody during the Obama Administration we should chase obama officials at of restaurants or chase people down, or said, go find somebody in, chase him out because we dont like politics. Okay. Secretary Tony Blinken and his wife had their children are terrorized because they have people outside of the house screaming 24 and let me finish 24 7. You had the democratic mayor of boston, having just say this but it was wrong its wrong. How about let me finish my sentence. Then you get to talk. Okay. So the point im going to make is its i think its not about democrats or republicans. Its about understanding that there are crazy people out there who may take whatever you say as jonah just said, and do something crazy. I mean, thats where the level no im not doing that. Good the level of responsibility though that they all have an i will just bring this back to particularly the j. D. Vance two things. Hes such an just a jerk because the thing is we you know, that No One it has tried anything against President Biden or Vice Prisoners because guess what . Usually we never know about it. We shouldnt be talking about whether or not there are you know, that the measure will Nobody Shot at you so that means youre rhetoric is okay. No. How about also j. D. Vance . Dont perpetuate on this very network racist rumors that are false about people who are immigrants living legally in a town in your state that we now know the haitians in springfield, ohio. They were terrified to let their children all of their homes as we can because the proud wasnt the kkk showed up. How about us leadership to stop spreading this information, to for an accurate information and to actually protect the people who live in your state. How about that . I think the Bottom Line here and alex, ive kind of put this one to you. Is that the we have reached a point in our politics. I actually this morning was thinking about mike gallagher. Hes a congressman who was considered a rising star, a young, very conservative republican i had a significant role in trying to take on china and he left congress, right . And when he announced he was going to retire, there were a lot of questions about why why would you abandon this really promising career and then David Ignatius wrote a column a couple of weeks ago that basically said his family got swatted, right. Which is where somebody calls the cops and, you know, alleges Theres SomethingGoing On in the house and these men with giant guns show up and it can be very dangerous situation and this was part of why, if not exactly, why he bailed out of politics. Our politics entirely the reality is that the temperature at which the country is living right now is causing good people to bail out of the system because they dont feel like they can operate in its safely. What are the implications . Of that for all of us . Well, in the last 24 hours, i think youre just seeing even this Roundtable Discussion as evidenced that theres already fingerpointing Going On. The temperature is actually going up, not down and youre six weeks away from what everyone is saying is an existential election for the country. Both sides are saying that essentially, you know, were tipped going closer and closer to political violence becoming normalized and it didnt just start in butler, pennsylvania. You also had the shooting of Steve Scalise just a few years ago. Youve had January 6, obviously. The fact is that both sides and both sides feel and bitter and entitled to their angry. You saw that from j. D vance last night and democrats have said from day we didnt go that she feels that, hey, trump was The One that lit this fire or at Least Stokes and pours gasoline on it. And as a result, were basically just in this sort of cyclone where everything gets hotter and hotter and hotter. I mean david, the Bottom Line is this is a Trump Era Thing yeah, its started it started with the trump era, right . It started with people. Its actually not true. Its it got pretty bad under barak obama, if you are black versus couch. Okay, kara, im im not I Cant say assassinations, attacks against cheering for you if i can in 1972, there was like five domestic bombings a day from 19 months had, more violent periods in our life. Yeah. Of course, yeah, we had the civil war, we had the race riots in the 60s. We had vietnam people got shot at campuses. I mean, its been around for quite some time. Yeah. My body is just we have a lot of recency bias. Look im going to disagree a little bit, david, as i think any statement that has a Truth Claim in it, a factual Truth Claim. And is it defensible statement . Right so thats why the lies about haitians are outrageous and demonizing. And thats why i think you have a colorable argument to say that Donald Trump is a threat to democracy because of what he did on January 6, and to say that, like when, when Donald Trump says america will be over, if Kamala Harris will be reelected, that is just gassy hyperbole. When you say Donald Trump tried to steal an election, i think thats a factually true claim, and therefore, its easier to defend but its either defendant, but america will not cease to exist if Donald Trump is the president but the democrats want agree that democrats could say every day, they say hes going to, hes going to end your rights are going to do this can do that. Were going to, were going to end abortion in america when Donald Trump says, im not going to do it, he said ill veto a ban. Kara, just be factual. He said im not going to sign a ban. He said im im for the exceptions. He said he wont sign a ban. He said it numerous times. Democrats talking about project 2025, if its trumps dna, he said, ive disavowed on numerous times, the Vice President stands up, talks about it. She stood up the other day and talked about about how Donald Trump said theyre good people on both sides in charlottesville. Clearly not said. Hes shes she talked about the Bloodbath Statement clearly, he didnt say that, so shes repeating allies to inflame things. Nobody but she said can she said it in a context that was disingenuous . She knows the truth, she knows what shes doing, and The Other Side, youve got should say, yeah, she needs a dial back as well so exactly. Both sides need to dial back someones got to be first to alexs point, its a cyclone, right now. Were in the cyclone. Whos going to step back and say . This is really bad for our country. And back in the laffin, the chinese, the iranians, the russians, all our enemies right now are saying bravo, this is great. This is exactly what we want to see. America torn apart and one quick example of that is that yesterday, ohios governor to dewine said that a lot of those Bomb Threat calls were coming from overseas in springfield, ohio. Yeah, it really difficult reality. Alright. Thank you all for kicking us up. A good conversation. You guys will be back in a minute coming up ahead here On Cnn this morning, Donald Trump and Kamala Harris