Rhetoric despite the realworld consequences, bomb threat to school vacua, the real threat is what's happening. Now. And defense the far right conspiracy theorist inside his entourage, we have very spirited people plus trump harris, and the holy roast. The pope criticizing both candidates. And advises americans on the quote lesser of two evils also, public confidence is all we have. My revealing interview with the newest supreme court justice what ketanji brown jackson says about the election. The court's credibility crisis, and why she almost gave up her entire career live at the table coleman hughes natasha alford, trisha mcloughlin, jay michaelson and joining the conversation, the cast of the new cnn original series, have i got news for you? welcome to a special edition of newsnight state of the race happy friday. I'm abby phillip in new york. Let's get right to what america is talking about. Pet peeves and politics. Donald trump tripling down on the rants, the tangents and the conspiracies that his allies have told him cost him the debate. Rhetoric that kamala harris tonight says that americans are exhausted by he's set to speak in las vegas any moment now, but i'll start in ohio schools in springfield have been forced to evacuate for the second day in a row. Now, over threats after trump amplified baseless conspiracies about migrants eating pets in our community now it's clear he doesn't care about any of that know the real threat is what's happening at our border. We will do large deportations from springfield, ohio large deportations. We're going to get these people out. It's like an invasion from within. And we're going to have the largest deportation in the history of our country now it's worth noting that those haitian immigrants in springfield are in this country legally, but none of that really matters and trump is tripling down. I'm sure he's talked actually today about going to springfield, going to aurora, colorado, where another story was taken out of context he is doubling down on something that a lot of people who want him to succeed say, is a dead end yeah. I mean, i haven't seen any evidence that there's any dead cats or dogs at the hands of anyone, any human, much less. These migrants who are, like you said, here, legally some of these citizens have testified in front of the city council saying that there's it's really chaos at that there has been cars burning cars flipped that they'd feel unsafe in their community keep in mind this is just failed federal policy. This is a community about 60,000 people. I'm from ohio, about 30 or 40 minutes from springfield. This is a community that out of poverty rate about 20% very working community. And so federal policy lead, while these are illegal migrants, this is 20,000 people coming into a community, 60,000 people being completely overrun. It doesn't matter if they're migrants from haiti or california. The schools are being overrun. The social services are being over on, that is poor metals when just to be clear, when do you use terms like overrun? yeah, i think that's actually part of the problem governor mike dewine has talked about this. First of all, he's confirmed in his understanding there's no evidence of this whole thing with pads, but he also made the point that these people are coming into this town. Yeah, there are a lot of them, but they're filling jobs that were open, jobs that were not being filled until they got there. And that the employers are saying they're good workers, they're hard workers. We need and so it overrun it is a turn of phrase that is designed to make people feel like there is some kind of saying that's the citizens on the ground are saying that's not my words. That's there. So let's also wish into these people's concerns. I don't think i understand that. Pick apart rhetoric when these people are having real problem also so these people have been primed to use language like that. They'd been listening to this, hear me out. There been listening to a president which has been fear mongering scapegoating. These individuals, these communities, playing on racist tropes about think about s whole countries that were talked about those were countries with predominantly black and brown people want and one of them was haiti, which zhuge from contrasted with the country he wanted migrants to come for him, which was norway, right? like maybe the widest country in the world. And i think it goes without saying that the history matters too, because so much of the destabilization that we see in haiti is actually because of policies that the u. S. Embraces historically when they wouldn't even recognize the independence of haley as they broke free from their slave masters. And so these are people who as you said, abby, they have work ethic, they have families and all of this language is meant to dehumanize them. And again, to oversimplify a really complicated issue, it's not to say that immigration is broken in this country country, but when you make someone escape go, it's easy to say just, but that's not all that trump did today. I mean, the whole other thing that he's been dogged by, no pun intended is this issue of laura loomer, who is on his plane she is a conspiracy theorists of the highest order and he started the day by i say this about laura loomer being asked frankly, about her 911 conspiracies and her racist comments about the vice president laura has been a supporter of mine just like a lot of people are supporters and she's been a supporter of mine he speaks very positively of the campaign. I'm not sure why you asked the question, but laura is a supporter i don't control laura. Laura has to say what you want. Your allies have expressed concern. Well, i don't know. I mean, look, i can't tell you laura what to do. Laura is a supporter if this were any other person, if there's where a democrat or any other politician wouldn't that be disqualifying? it might be. I mean, look look laura is a great a nutjob. I want his agree with that what i think from trump's point of view, i think he's betting that this election is about immigration. And that people will forget everything else, even if all these other issues or entertaining and interesting in the new cycle. But i think at the end of the day he's betting that this election is about one thing, about the border what are about immigration? he may be right about that, okay. You might be wrong, but he might be right. And if he's right, it'll be because of this nativism is one of the most powerful forces in not just american politics, but world politics. And it is rooted in human nature. Any look at history, this is 100% true and so we have had the biggest border and immigration crisis certainly in my lifetime in the past three years. And he is betting that being the toughest as possible on the border candidate and screw all these other things is going to win him the election as a high risk, high reward, partly because it is the other lesson that he's gotten from the 2016 election. That's where she also thought he won because of the issue of immigration. Right? i guess i would take issue a little bit that this kind of nativism as part of human nature, right? that's certainly true for human beings, sapiens, other primates that we favor our ingroup over the hour outgroup. But there are different ways that, that can express itself. And given that that is part of our human animal nature two use rhetoric, it is true that people are suffering and people have anxieties. But to then fan those flames, we've seen this in the jewish community before when trump supported people who said jews will not replace us. And then not long after that there was the tree of life shooter who was spouting into great replacement theory so i agree that there's an aspect to human nature that we favor our group but what wise leaders do is work with that skilfully, not fan the flames of the most violent aspects of who trump is far from a wise leader, but he didn't support the people that said jews will not replace us. That's been now certainly fine. People who marked the other with no, but that's been fact checks by all the top fact checkers. What person marches? it's with a no he said 15 seconds later and the neonazis and white supremacists, i condemn them completely. So he was talking about mark. Martin, other conservatives that we're not the ones that were saying jews, the ones who are like a lot be fair or is it's important to be fair. I don't think i think she's making what appears really. I this is a complaint. I hear from conservative this all the time, but the central point is actually the one that jays making what's the utility in saying that the people marching alongside the neonazis are fine people because it's not helped. Well, he distinguished between the conservatives that cared about the statue. And she said the nazis and white supremacy, i condemn them completely. That's what he said. But if i'm marching with sorry, he was making and, i wanted to send a replace that would invite those. Jay, but i'm saying you got to find you got up, you got to expect to make what he is actually emblematic of what this day has been like for donald trump, which is baseless conspiracies about the immigrants in ohio defending this 911. I can't even call her to 911 conspiracy theory in sandy hook truther and it brings up an era for trump that i think a lot of would like to forget. They don't want to be talking about charlottesville, right? you don't want to be talking about this stuff. I think with all of this, if you're confusing enough, vague enough, if you flip flop enough, it allows people to create their own conclusions, right? and the people who want to defend you and support you will be able to justify that. I think that's what it is. It's about creating confusion. And the old folks would say discernment that's a word that comes up a lot if you had a sermon as a leader, you don't walk around with someone like a laura loomer and then say, oh, i'm not responsible for what she does, what if she's walking around with a clan hood, right? like you just you know what it means? to stand with someone, right? you know what it means to let them have proximity to you. And i think it's a lot of playing dumb, frankly, are not taking responsibility and it's a double standard because again, every single thing that i think about president obama anyone who was associated with him, right? it was a problem. The pastor who preached years ago, who was talking about the state of america, they found his transcript and they tied it to obama. So how is it that we criticize other leaders but when he across that was fair at the time, but i don't want it to be consistent. You'd have to say on foreign to be fair obama kava whole speech you know, a very fast thing himself from it, talking about race in america. That's the difference, i guess the gulf, i just want to say i'm like, you know, first of all as, you know, in some on the progressive side, god bless laura loomer, right? she's god's gift if there's a conspiracy theory that's true, she should be a democrat plant. This, she has so far to the right of the center that this is god's gift to the democrats. 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This is cnn francis is weighing in on the upcoming presidential election. He's describing the choice between donald trump and vice president harris as the lesser of two evils in january. Sydney chicken what you have to vote and one must choose the lesser of two evils. Who is the lesser of two evils? that lady or that gentleman? i don't know everyone with a conscience should think on this and do it back at the table and the reason for this is he talks about trump's views on migration as being one evil. Harris is views on abortion as being another evil. So i'm going to say what maybe you might not expect i'm going to say which i mean, i actually think i have no idea actually i think this stuff so let my informed view. No, i think i think that line is it makes it does make it seem like his condemning both sides, but i think he's saying the truth, just as a matter of catherine up catholic doctrine. Both of these candidates are promoting policies that run contrary to that dogma, and but i think what he's sort of tacitly saying is it's not one or the other that abortion is a veto because there are many conservative catholics who see this as a one issue election not immigration by the way, but abortion and i think what the pope is trying to say as well, there's teachings on all sides of this, right? so donald trump is violating catholic teachings. The pope, not me, on migration also, the pope has made very outspoken statements on climate change, on economic inequality and so i trust people with faith to do exactly what the pope suggested, which is total up all of the different ways in in which these candidates do or don't reflect are deeply held beliefs interpreted what he had to say was kind of putting, putting harrison trump on equal footing, right? is that how you hear it? yes. So i think i agree with you, obviously, everyone knows the catholic church has been opposed to abortion vehemently for forever and less people know i think they've been very supportive of immigration and being humane for a very long time. Going back to several popes what's new here is that i don't think the catholic church has ever put those two issues on a par, which is to say abortion has been a much more important issue. Catholicism than immigration. And the fact that he's basically saying these are even steven is in historical terms, is raising the importance of the immigration issue to catholics, which i think that's what's new here. I think this was a progressive statement on it's very interesting because, you know, you do there are all. Kinds of different forms of christianity, of course, and i saw a lot from progressive christians. If you want to call them that pointing out that the bible's teachings actually do elevate the voices of the oppressed, of the marginalized, of the exiles and that what the pope is essentially saying is that that is important to i thought it was notable that the pope called separation of families at the border cruelty of the highest form when it happened. So i agree with that. I think he's calling it out as a moral issue, which think about all the rest we're hearing again demonizing people, you saying that they're eating pets. It's all meant to lower our compassion or empathy for people who are struggling. And so i do think it's powerful, but i do think it's important. Kamala harris has been very strategic about how she's talked about abortion. She said, if you have deeply health deeply held beliefs about this, your faith hold onto those things. This is about government interference and respecting people's privacy. And so i think in her framing it that way, she's making space for people who might disagree are these comments can cause upheaval in there's, a, there's not as many rightleaning catholics, but it's a growing number. I'm catholic and i mean he's pope francis is the head of the church. He's consistently makes political remarks. Remember, he talked about ukraine needs to wave the white flag back during the iraq war. Obviously, a different pope, but publicly criticized george hw bush, or excuse me, george w bush for the iraq war. So i mean, the catholic church consistently delves into politics. Its, i mean, religion, morality as we were saying, with politics, is naturally intertwined. So i'm not surprised. I don't we'll see what happens it's not surprising from this, especially if pope francis is very outspoken. Alright, everyone. Thank you all for being here, coming up next. We've got a special treat for you at the table, the host of the new cnn comedy series i got news for you. 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