And why both getting mad. Plus special counsel, jack smith has filed his plan for how and when to move forward with his january 6 case? and we alone or not, a former top pentagon ufo hunter. Yeah, i said it makes us stunning claim as he takes us inside the secret program that he once lead. Tonight on laura coates live 67 days to go until the general election and donald trump is struggling to confront, let alone resolve an issue that he created for himself the end of roe roe v. Wade. We find exhibit a in his very home state of florida. Now, there there is a sixweek abortion ban that amendment on the ballot overturn that particular ban yesterday, trump appeared to suggest that he blinked be willing to vote for overturning that ban. When he said this well, i think the six week is too short it's has to be more time now that caused panic among his base. Conservative erick erickson win as far as to put it like this earlier today and if he loses in november yesterday august 29 in the year of our lord, 2024 will be the day he lost. If he doesn't do some damage control pretty quickly. Well, the damage control, it wasn't far behind trump told fox this afternoon that even no, he's still things that six weeks is too short, that he would vote not to overturn that ban. He claimed the reason is because the amendment would allow abortions at nine months. Now, that's not true. It would allow abortion until viability, about 23 or 24 weeks but there's more on the issue of signing a national abortion ban should he went office, trump would not say whether he'd signed one or not. I'm not going to have to think about it because it's working out so well right now the states are doing it. It's a state's issue i knew the answer is not surprising a democrat to build a large part of their message on this very issue. But you know, who might be surprised, maybe a little bit his running mate, senator j. D. Vance, who said this. Remember, just five days ago i think to be very clear, he would not support it i mean yeah. I mean, if you're not supporting it as a present united states, you find it really have fito tell a federal abortion ban. I think he would with me now, sam brody, national political reporter at the boston globe, and misha cross, a democratic strategist, and jason osborne, former adviser of the 2016 trump and ben carson campaigns. Thank you all for being here. Let me begin with you, sam, because as you see trump appears to have changed his tune on the abortion amendment in florida after just, i would note 24 hours. So what do you think is behind this shift well, this is an extremely difficult issue for donald trump and the republican party. And i think what you're seeing right now is it candidate and a campaign in real time that is trying to adjust it some very, very shifting waters here it is going to be very hard for this campaign in this candidate to control this issue because florida is just one of, i think about a dozen states that will be voting on abortion in some way, shape, or form. This fall. So they are going to have to react to very specific policy proposals that are happening in these states. It just so happens that this is unique situation which donald trump is a florida voter who is going to cast a vote on this but, you know, this is a party where erick erickson noted this is a party full of single issue abortion voters and donald trump is going to have to try really hard to keep those folks in his camp and showing up to vote for him while not alienating these folks in the middle who are very fired up to vote on this issue. I mean, it's interesting to me, jason, because first of all, trump has shifted his stance on abortion. I mean, not just in the past several weeks or years mean literally for decades. Listen i'm very prochoice. I'm also proud to be the most prolife president in american history. The democrats are the radicals on this because they're willing to have abortions in the seventh, eighth, ninth month for the first time. The people that are prolife have negotiating being capability because you didn't have it before. They could kill the baby in the ninth month or after the baby was born. I believe in the three exceptions for rape, incest, and the life of the mother, i believe in that without the exceptions it is very difficult to win alive actions now, everyone has the ability to evolve their thoughts over time. That's true. But jason, this is an issue that is so important to so many voters and ones consistent position. All the more so how do voters trust him on the issue overall reproductive rights when it seems to be fluctuating well, i you know, i watched all those clips that you just played in he did seem to shift a lot over the past few decades. You know, i think honestly, i don't know how to answer that question for him. What i would say in what i would suggest if i were still advising him would be you have to be what he did with the supreme court is exactly what the prolife movement and republicans have been asking for forever, which is returned the issue back to the states. He's done his job and i think he should stand proud on doing that job and leave it be from their let the states decide which they are doing. And now what you're seeing is on the prolife side biden republican side is they don't like the fact that the states are having a say in this because they're not voting the way that they thought they would be in several of these states. So i think for him, it's going to, it's obviously a challenge. I don't know how you overcome that challenge, except to be consistent in saying i did what i did in my first term. The next term, the reality is there's never going to be a federal abortion ban in front of the president of either party. There you're just never going to get the 60 votes in the senate. You're not going to get the 200. And what votes that you need in the house instead of dealing, with hypotheticals, deal with what he did by appointing the supreme court, the three justices on the supreme court, and stand by that decision. Well, that's the point of misha right. That he wants to herald as a feather in his cap, the overturning of roe v. Wade and the placement of supreme court justices. Then there's the idea, be careful what you wish for if it doesn't work out that way, you want but now there's this new introduction which perhaps was foreseeable. Or not. It's not just about the way that life, as is defined by some is ended, but now also how it is begun and started. I mean, he has now vowed to make insurance companies or the government pay for ivf treatments. I mean, listen to that what his running mate, senator j. D. Vance told my colleague john berman about that very issue how is he going to pay for it is is this an expansion of obamacare? is this a mandate? well, look, i think you have insurance companies that obviously are forced to cover a whole host of services. The president explicitly said that he wants insurers to cover additional fertility treatments. I think it's also important to point out that it's become way too expensive to raise a family in this country, john, thanks to kamala harris, is policies so righthand, lefthand. Got to be on the same page saying body, why are trump and vance struggling to have this coherent and cogent message on this issue. I think partially because they are trying to toe the line with multiple audiences. We know that the far right is not a fan of ivf and they're also not a fan of women being able to make reproductive choices broadly. So they're trying to, when it comes to the religious right to keep that line in place. That's why donald trump in 2016 chose mike pence so that he could get that base revved and ready to go. Now we're in a much different place. Women are galvanizing regardless of what political spectrum they happen to be a part of their galvanizing cross states. We've seen it when abortion is at the top of the ballot, we seen it multiple cases be rejected by women. Women are 54% of the american electorate. There's a recognition that j. D. Vance has turned off more women then as possible that that i thought possible in general with his commentary. But when we see with donald trump is somebody who has flipflopped on this issue. Do someone who, for whatever reason believes that he can call for an explanation of policies, pricing, and everything else related to the economic agenda and economic policy plan of vp. Harris. But does not want to answer that question when it comes to ivf nordas, his running mate, and for anybody who doesn't know ivf treatments are in the thousands of dollars and the jordi of women who will need that or have sought that treatment they have to go through that process to 23 sometimes four times. So i would really like to know how the small government republicans think that it is viable for them to run on expanding it because you won't have to expand government and government. And government processes to be able to push this through and if you're talking about making the private sector, making it, making private insurers jump on. This is the same donald trump who did not believe in expansion of obamacare. This is the same donald trump who has fought to get rid of obamacare without anything to replace it for years now, indeed, i mean, on that point, jason, the idea that the particular details are going to be very impactful for those ideas. In grand statements and big planned. First of all, both campaigns are criticized and having these big statements and jason, me ask you because trump last year said that florida is sixweek abortion ban was a terrible thing. We did. So i was governor criticized him saying that it's never a terrible thing to protect innocent life. Now, when the rnc he changed the planet, the party platform and trump's behest before the convention, there was an anonymous antiabortion leader who told politico, quote, trump in his campaign, officials are willing to sacrifice the prolife cause for the sake of their political expedience. If you go on further this week, laila rose, the leader of antiabortion group live action, said that trump and vance are quote, making it impossible for prolife voters to support them. So do you think that antitrump antiabortion supporters, excuse me will turn out for trump, given all of this absolutely. I mean, i think at the end of the day, you know obviously there are folks that are single issue voters, right? i mean, there's the on the gun side of the gang control or anti gang control side. And the prolife side, those are typically your predominant single issue voters and they're going to see this presidency, a trump presidency as being a much better presidency than a kamala harris and tim waltz, president or vice presidency. So i'm not worried about the prolife movement turning out they know that donald trump represents a better future for their families, for their for their own selves, for their jobs. And their job security so at the end of the day, they're going to come into the ballot boxes or they're going to mail in their ballots and they're going to decide that donald trump is better than kamala errors sam we have a couple of data points thus far, right? you've got the convention's, you've got the upcoming debate, you got the interview just yesterday stay with my colleague, dana bash and there was a moment that people were wondering, even, even quentin tarantino at one point essentially to paraphrase him was saying, just don't mess it up. The mess up the actual interview i do wonder from just last night alone, do you think that there will be more interviews with the press to flush out conversations? like this about the platform positions, either before the debate or more intensely after well, i would certainly hope so as a member of the press, both before and after, i think there were some interesting discourse around the big interview last night really indicating that it might behoove them strategically to just do a lot of them. And so as to not i've built up so much anticipation on one single media appearance that just, you increases scrutiny and scrutiny on missteps. But the fact is, is that the harris campaign has not rolled out a really much of a issues or policy area of there i'm site much at all. We have an idea of course, of what the vice president wants to do. Heard about specific plans, a lot of the convention, but nothing in the way of like, here's a broad really in deep look at what she and governor walz might do if either right. Yeah. Trump either. Of course. So i think but, the fact is is that this is a ticket a harriswalz ticket that has spent less time on the trail. So i think it would be smart for them to viewed as opportunities to flesh out aspects of the platform, not have so many eyeballs and so much anticipation on missteps in particular interviews and yeah, i would hope that there would be opportunities for for press print tv, all of the above to really get into the details with them before and after the debate, i'll be curious what charge they employ and to wait and the voters are concerned with the actual vehicle of those conversations. Thank you. So much for everyone joining me tonight. All right. Everyone. I've got a key filing. It's just in tonight and i have it in my hand a details the path forward. 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We knew that neither party had a real shot of getting a trial in 67 days it seems though you go neither are asking for a trial to happen before that. But the real headline is neither are asking to have that event. Sherry hearing. We often heard about the mini trial before that date, either it seems are arguing that this should be done on the papers for the judge to determine immunity. And what is official on the papers? blown. Explain. Yes. I think i think several points, right. Number one, the schedule that has been laid out by trump because this is a joint filing. Trump laid out his position in the government's latest version. The trump schedule basically kicks all of this past the election. They have shoehorn, this little appointments clause filing in the middle to get themselves past november 5 because they don't i mean, frankly, they just don't want any any discussion about the january 6 case to fully aligned on the appointments clause discussion is whether or not they were entitled to have jack smith even oversee these matters, whether he was rightfully in that position argument that was raised by a judge cannon down in florida. Go yeah so they are based basically pulling the argument that was in the documents case with respect to what's jack smith unlawfully appointed and that's judge cannon in the documents case dismissed that prosecution and is now on appeal. And what trump's lawyers have done is to take that argument and shoot wanted in here and try and get this before the judge in order to push the schedule out by weeks and weeks, and we knew this was coming down the pike. Pause todd blanche trump's lead lawyer was always contemplating trying to kick the can down the road of long as possible. But i think what's also interesting and tim and i were talking about this just now is the government also doesn't lay out a schedule that contemplates anything coming before the election. And to me it does it does tacitly suggests the government has finally decided it cannot get this to trial. It cannot get these hearings in a timely fashion before the election, and they've given given up that road for now. Well, now of course if you're the prosecutor in these cases, normally you're not contemplating an election as your deadline for when you can bring a case and just because they can't get it done before the election doesn't necessarily bowed mean that they don't believe in the merits of their case, but the schedule is really interesting the way that he goes laid out that even trump is saying maybe beginning of 2020 25, maybe the fall of 2025 would be prudent here. What do you think it is that jack smith has counsel and his team believed they should be argued not with an evidentiary hearing. In a mini trial, but look, your honor, read the motions, read the paperwork, and then you decide so i think that this is only an a