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after it was launched by accidents? all right. 6:00 a.m. here in washington, a live look at the white house and a new phase of the campaign to win the right to live their good morning, everyone. i'm kasie hunt. it's wonderful to have you with us on this monday morning. keep fighting. that's the advice for president biden. that's coming from his family after a weekend of reflection camp, david, according to one presidential adviser, support from the first lady. and other family members is quote, unequivocal privately, the families blaming the president's debate team for his disastrous performance thursday night. and they're apparently could be firings still many allies and party insiders want biden to bow out well, they won't say it will put their name to it. there is one democrat who knows what the president is going through. he says, there's no time to hit the panic button biden, is one and trump is still zero. and he's the only person that's ever beaten trump. and i really believed that joe biden will do that again, despite all of the democrats wedding, the bint over that kind of thing. >> the trump campaign, of course, riding a wave of post-debate momentum, senator jd vance, who is in the running to be trump's vice president, insisting that republicans just don't care who trump faces in november i actually don't care if joe biden is the democratic nominee because donald trump is the republican nominee. and the contrast between republican policies under donald trump and whoever the democrats ultimately end up with is very powerful our panels here, molly ball, senior political correspondent at the wall street journal, former federal prosecutor, elliot williams. meghan, hey, is a former special assistant to president biden and matt gorman, foreigners, former senior adviser to tim scott's presidential campaign. welcome. all. molly ball, i actually want to start with you because i want to try to capture the big picture of where where we stand right now. and you write this in the wall street journal, the fallout from last week's presidential debate has thrust the democratic party into a spiraling crisis. yet many in the party view, the current reckoning as sadly inevitable. the product of years of defensive refusal by the president and his protective inner circle to acknowledge the decline in biden's public presentation that has long been obvious to voters. and you quote a democratic operative who says the shocking thing is that people engaged in this deception or delusion or both. for so long, what else are you hearing about how this is playing out here? because i do think that you capture here what everyone feels, which is we knew that his age was an issue. but to actually see it this way when so many people will deny, deny, deny to you that this is happening at all it feels like whiplash. yeah. well, the word that i kept hearing from so many people who are involved in the highest levels live democratic politics was gaslighting. there was a feeling like people are tired of being gas lit and told that they cannot believe what they see with their own eyes and ears. and it was so readily apparent on that debate stage that it can't be denied anymore and now has been forced in the out into the open and has to be dealt with i don't think anybody is surprised that the first move is to circle the wagons and try to fight it out. the question is, does that prove sustainable? can they sustain that position or are too many people now in their own party going to say, no, i'm sorry, i can't keep doing this. i can't keep saying this. we need to make a change and that is the phase we're going through right now. is there going to see if they can pull this off or if the world of democratic politics is sort of going to collectively say this isn't cutting it. >> yes, so megan haze. you have the unfortunate reality of joining us as a biden insider on this monday after the thursday night performance, and we're just going to put up a couple of things that clearly there are no elected officials out there yet, democrats elected democrats out there saying that he should bow out of the race. i think my mic, our colleague here at cnn public gala's said that the first democratic politician to do that would basically be shot. it would be political suicide. but here was the new york times editorial board said saying to serve his country president biden should leave the race. james carville says, behind the curtain, the biden oligarchy. will decide the fate. we press cardinal on whether he thinks biden will be off the ticket. he said he thinks so. and he invoked a famous quote by the late economist herb simon with card, which cargo paraphrased as that which can't continue, won't there was more endowed who said very simply, he's being selfish. he's putting himself ahead of this country. he's surrounded by opportunistic enablers me has created a reality distortion field where we're told not to believe what we have plainly seen. >> thank you for having me today is really going to opportunism was the last word i look, the president is extremely resilient he this is not the first time that he's been in a situation where everyone is counted him out. >> we were been a theme spot in 20 during the primaries. i mean, he got fifth and iowa like this is not unusual for him. so look, i got to be candid with you. i actually interviewed him in south carolina right after he came off the harb bold new hampshire loss, right? he pulled up stakes. he sat down with me. we talked for i think nearly 20 minutes on live tv. the guy that i talked to you that that he's not the same guy that was on the debate stage and he's not the person who's on the debate stage is not the same person who showed up in north carolina the next day. so what happened on the debate stage? i don't know. i wasn't there he just needs to spend the next 2,120 something days proving that that was the anomaly and that north carolina and the person you talk to is not i mean, he is in an uphill battle without question. i just don't think that people should be so quick to count him out. i just he's a very resilient person. he's any lot for this country and how they vision for the next four years. so it's i totally understand. it's totally fair to have these conversations. i just think that people should not count the president out. this is not the first time i'll count out point. totally fair point. it's a long campaign and so on. i think the challenge here is that what we saw in the debate stage confirmed that which people are already concerned about the present. it's as if if the george w bush and o for literally had pulled out a ban on stage, started smoking. the fact is people thought bush was a frat boy, goofing around and had to overcome that perception, whether any of us like it or not, sorry i can now, do whatever. >> but the point is whether we like it or not, we all all have public perceptions that might not, might or might not track with reality and the burden that joe biden cabbage at the public thinks he's even if he's running against a guy who's 78-years-old, people think joe biden's old and any performance that affirms that was gonna be hard to open. >> but he is old. i know one's disputing that and i just think that the voters will decide right? so the voters are going to decide what whether or not they think he can do the job or not sitting here talking about it, doesn't really make a difference. so it's the voters in wisconsin and michigan and arizona. and those are the people he needs to go talk to and he needs to prove to them that he then that he could do the job and the voters in a way, we're ahead of the curve on this. i mean, i think the voters, you look at the poles instinctively setting up something's not right here. you whether it's the media writ large and the pundits, elites, somebody's not playing totally straight with us on this. i mean, we sat here about a month ago when the wall street journal published at long story detailing a lot of what we saw. the other night and democrats acted writ large, like it was written cran like it was totally made up and it was really what we saw was confirmed we now can it's hard to hide behind that and so the idea that it's so you know, it's too late now, or we should have had this conversation a year ago. no whole point was democrats as a party wouldn't have this conversation a year ago, two years ago, three years ago. that's how we got here. >> now, the person winning and all of us is donald trump, who stood on a stage and put it out, patent falsehoods after false, false it after falsehood for an hour-and-a-half. that's sorted now some of that is on president biden. there's a guy there who could time, but this is a fact as trump's getting a bit of a free pass and all this, we've got to bring this to a close, but megan, the one thing i keep coming back to is that the president has focused just on and said repeatedly that donald trump is a fundamental threat, not just to our country, right in this moment, but to our democracy in the long term is there anything if it becomes clear to him that he just cannot be donald trump, that would cause him to reevaluate i don't believe the president's heart, he would be running as he did not think he could be donald trump. i don't think that has changed in his heart. he is a very i mean, he as you know, in 20 when he entered the race, this was very important to him and he is he's a person who stands on principles and morals if it was not in his heart that he could be donald trump, he would not be in this race up next here we have this other major, major story today, ruling from the supreme court on presidential immunity, steck to come down at 10:00 a.m. plus senator chris coons joins us to talk about president biden's state of mind and his decision to stay in the race plus devastating flooding in the southwest. this was one of five things you have to see this morning july 4th 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