harrys.com slash team. you need to clean your $5 trial violent earth with me of fiber tomorrow. would nine on cnn closed captioning is brought to you by tableau. watch, pause and record live tv subscription free. start watching tv for free with tableau switching to tableau has really been a money saver without a monthly subscription was amazing order today at tableau tv.com hello everyone, and welcome. >> so the amanpour hour, here's where we're headed this week let's talk more actions as the dust settles on a presidential debate. how can joe biden and donald trump make their case to the american good people? also this hour, the un takes flat, forgiving the taliban as seats at the table, but leaving afghan women out in the cold and it's really devastating for afghan women will update you on one girls second chance at life of the she tried to check out of the taliban's misogynistic rule. then not my president from my archive flashback to the green revolution when iranians shouted death to the dictator and accused the iot dollars of stealing the 2009 election and locking up their reformist leader. and finally, the new documentary that captures how young activists today learned from singer and selection campaign is headed after that first presidential debate. a faltering joe biden faced off against a firehose of falsehoods from donald trump. as one why i've put it an old man versus a con man now, both candidates are back on the campaign trail trying to sell their vision to a deeply divided public will biden, be able to successfully sell his record and proved to be that bridge to the future that he claimed when he won four years ago was trump able to convince people that he's any better than he was when he lost the election four years ago. and now with a felony conviction and more trials to face according to a post debate, cnn ssrs paul, 81% of voters said that it didn't affect their vote choice. 14% said they're considering switching, and 5% said they would. and what about the global constituency watching closely? well mark lauder, donald trump's former strategic communication director and special assistant to the president, and also vice president mike pence is here and we have simon rosenberg, a democratic political strategies and veteran of two presidential campaigns. so gentlemen, welcome to the program you were in atlanta, you are in atlanta where the cnn in debate was held. you are in the rooms watching to be able to talk to us afterwards. so from your perspective, mark larger how did you candidate do? >> i got donald trump did great. he was talking about the issues that matter to the american people. and offering a vision to fix the problems that have been largely caused by job biden. i think he showed strength which is something that the american people have always sought in their president's contrasted to joe biden, who really struggled and showed a lot of weakness. >> so simon rosenberg, you know, because you're they had the republicans are very, very happy with the way they candid did how about the democrats? and you are not just an advisor, your a key strategist. >> yeah, listen, i think joe biden has been a very good president who had a very bad night and how consequential this will be during the course of this long campaign we'll find out. but i think the other thing we saw in addition to joe biden and being able to make the case for his presidency, which he struggled with a little bit. no question. is that we also saw on donald trump a person who's a bad man, who's a terrible candidate and would be a disastrous president for the united states, the level of lying and falsehoods that we heard from him was shocking even for somebody in the business has been falling trump virtually nothing he said was true. and so i don't think it was a great debate for the american people. i don't think they learn very much. that's really going to help them make this decision as your own polling showed. but i do think there's a better night for trump and biden, and it means that we've got work to do in the coming months. >> you know what? >> i actually i was going to go on to a little bit more of the optics because obviously optics and perception are a huge point of this. but i do want to ask you about the economy. both of you, because that is clearly top of mind, not just for voters in the united states, bread-and-butter issues, cost of life, but all over the cost of living, but all over the world. so donald trump is you said mark made strong claims and we're going to play this sound bite the tax cuts spurred the greatest economy that we've ever seen just prior to covid and even after covid, it was so strong that we're able to get through covid much better than just about any other country. >> but listens, play this soundbite. >> the tax cuts spurred the greatest economy that we've ever seen just prior to covid and even after covid, it was so strong that we're able to get through covid much better than just about any other country. >> but listen 16 nobel prize winning economists have warned that a second trump term would reignite inflation. they say joe biden's economic agenda is vastly superior donald trump's although, as you know, mark, i'm sure you've been reading these he donald trump had a meeting with executives just in the last few days and they said remarkably meandering, couldn't keep a straight thought and was all over the map. and it's also been pointed out by jeffrey sound and felt at yale that not a single person among forbes 100 ceos has donated to trump's campaign so these are fats. how does that mog make him better on the economy? >> well, a nobel laureates were wrong when they predicted that he was going to ruin the economy in 2016, 2017, government go up. we saw jobs coming back obviously we were recovering when the pandemic from the pandemic as the election took place, and we had no inflation 1.4% when they went joe biden took office. gas was a little over $2 a gallon. those are all realities that they can't change. and i get it. you get a bunch of liberal ivy. ivy tower elites who want job biden to be president america people aren't buying it. >> yeah, look, i think you and i both know that most ceos are not liberal they might be lead, but they're certainly many, many of them have backed former republican presidents. this is the first time a republican candidate has received so little backing from them. but i wanted to put that as a question to you as well. simon, truly american people have been really suffering cost of living, inflation all the rest of it. biden said, yeah, the economy was great for rich people during trump, he lowered rich people in corporate taxes but what about his own record? he didn't in fact, defend his own economic record at all yeah. >> i mean, first of all donald trump's economic record is among the worst in american history. i mean, he was the first president to have job loss and his watch since herbert hoover. and this idea that he was the economy performed stellar unto him is an unbelievable well falsehood and lai the second thing is that the economy under joe biden, we're actually going through one of the greatest periods of economic growth in american history right? now, we've had gdp growth over 3%. as you know, it's been far higher than any other g7 country in the world. we have the best job market since the 1960s, inflation last month was zero, right? prices did not not rise and it's now down in today's pce number. it's now down to the basically where the fed wants it to be making interest rates far more likely to be cut this year. joe biden has had a stellar track record on the economy. what donald trump is proposing would raise dramatically spike inflation. it would cripple the economy, create massive work shortages in the united states and b, and create far larger deficits. i mean, it is one of the reasons that ceos are staying away from him it's because they view his economic plans as being on me. create massive work shortages in the united states and be and create lot and far larger deficits. i mean, it is one of the reasons that ceos are staying away from him is because they view his economic plans as being dangerous and reckless and a time when america is booming and we're breaking records in the stock market, okay, so simon i couldn't joe biden put it put that case to the american people yesterday. he spectacularly did not put that case to the american people and furthermore, as you know, and i'm sure your phone is blowing up like all democrat strategies that there is a mass of people who won biden to be persuaded to pull out. and we will discuss where this campaign goes when we come back after a short break. then later in the hour, the young activists behind a new documentary, how they learn from a veteran singer and civil rights campaigner, harry belafonte better fisher investments were clearly different we go four is in america they july 4th at 70s dirt on cnn welcome back to the program, and we're back with our political panel mob blotter. don't trump's former strategic communication director and special assistant to the president and vice president mike pence and simon rosenberg, a democratic political strategies and veteran of two presidential campaigns let's continue this conversation. first, i want to play simon and indeed mark a video the sound of president biden after the debate, after he got off the stage, looked to me like a different guy. >> i can't think of one thing he said that was true i'm not being facetious. but look we're going to beat this guy. we need to beat this guy i need you in order to meet him. your the people i've run we're the finest nation the whole world let's keep going see you at the next one. i guess both of you might think that if that person had turned up on the stage, it would be a different dynamic but simon, where was that person? >> listen, joe biden had a bad night. i mean, there's just no way to get around that. i mean, as i said earlier, i think he's been a very good president and he's got a strong case for his reelection. he didn't do to that he didn't wasn't effective last night and making that case, but it's just one moment in a long campaign and we've got a long way to go here. we're in the very beginning. our elections are long here in the united states. we're in the very beginning stages this in many ways was really the beginning of the general election, but we've got the two conventions that are coming up, sorry about that. we've got to conventions coming we've got lots of other, we've got a major moment in the next few weeks was donald trump's sentencing where he could be sentenced to prison in the next few weeks. so they're gonna be a lot of other moments. and but we are clearly coming out of this knowing that our job got a little bit harder and we've got a lot of work to do ahead of us. so mark by contrast, then do you think your job got a little bit? so they're gonna be a lot of other moments. and but we are clearly coming out of this knowing that our job got a little bit harder and we've got a lot of work to do ahead of us. so mark by contrast, then do you think your job got a little bit easier even though your candidate does in fact have challenges ahead yeah well, we went into this with the wind at our back to begin with. >> i mean, there were two poles earlier this week from new york times, sienna. and when we act that both show donald trump leading joe biden head-to-head nationally by four percentage points at no point by the way, and its 2019 or 2020 years, did donald trump everly, joe biden even before the pandemic last time around. so it shows you what a challenge they have. you also have donald trump campaigning friday in the commonwealth of virginia has it been republican in 20 years? minnesota is now in play, so the swing state map is growing in donald trump's favor. the polls are all shifting in donald trump's favor. we, we, and donald trump have to just keep talking about the issues that matter to the american people joe biden made his job even more difficult, and it was already a mount everest size, a hill to climb. >> simon simon, i see you shaking your head, but if you look at columnists across the spectrum thomas friedman for instance, joe biden is a good man, a good president. he must bow out of the race. >> yeah, i do want to say that this idea that the poles are shifting towards trump is not true. i mean, there have been dozens of polls taken and the majority of polls have the race shifting two to four points to biden over the last few weeks. and this idea that virginia and minnesota are going to be in play, or just absurd. i mean, it's a saya, it's a psychological game. the trump campaign is playing and so we've got to stay focus is democrats put her head down, do the work. it may got a little bit harder, but i still think we're going to win this election let me ask you about an issue and talking about hurting and struggling many, many millions of women in the united states have seen their fundamental human rights overturned by the supreme court and donald trump he brags about it. >> he says, look, i put in these three fine conservative justices and they overturned roe versus his wade. and there's a big dilemma for so many, many women in the united states over this. i want to play the abortion exchange between the two candidates during the debate, a doctor should be making those decisions. that's how it should be run. that's what you're gonna do. and if i'm elected, i'm going to restore roe v. wade so that means he can take the life of the baby in the ninth month. and even after birth, because some states democrat-run take it after birth. again, the governor, former governor of virginia, put the baby down, then we decide what to do with it. so he's in he's willing to, as we say, rip the baby out of the womb in the ninth month and kill the baby mod, because that is such offensive language, i'm just going to make a fact check here. >> abortions at or after 21 weeks are uncommon and represent 1% of all abortions in the united states. the idea of killing babies after birth is just so offensive. nonetheless, there is a major abortion conundrum in the united states right now. and in the mid terms you could see that democrats or women voted on this, on this case what do you think is going to happen in this upcoming election on this issue? >> well, i think the fact of the matter is is that no matter who the president of the united states is, it's not going to change this issue because congress is never going to pass anything. and what roe v. wade, the overturning of roe v. wade, did, was it restored democracy? chrissy, because now the people's elected representatives are the ones who get to weigh in on this matter. but i do want to clarify one thing donald trump was absolutely clear. he would not sign in national abortion ban any supports exceptions for rape, incest, and the life of the mother well, that was actually a strong part of the debate for joe biden last night. and i think that what is just clear, what's true, because a lot of what donald trump said about this last night was not true and he sounded in this section in particular like a raving lunatic, frankly, is that he would is true, is that donald trump is responsible for stripping the rights and freedoms away of tens of millions of women in america who now have less rights and freedoms than women do in places like mexico and brazil. and places all over the world. and donald trump is trying to present his new states rights position is something that's moderate or consensual, but it's actually a reinforcement of his fundamental extremism and so i do think this is going to be a very material issue in the election and virtually every election that has been contested since dobbs happened two years ago, republicans have underperformed. we've over-performed. i still think that's the likely outcome in this election in november, simon rosenberg for biden and marc lotto for trump. >> thanks for being with us thanks. christian. >> thank you when we come back, harry belafonte is legacy continues to inspire a new generation of artists and activists i speak to the young people behind a new documentary on his legacy welcome back to the program time now for a celebration of the life and legacy of an extraordinary individual, harry belafonte, where lipid, so i don't you don't rather say that he will come back garden, harry, i pick out the so-called king of calypso was a trailblazing singer actor and a tireless civil rights activists. >> now the new documentary following harry brings us an intimate look at belafonte is remarkable life story in the film includes many of the younger generation, belafonte inspired and mentor. but all so listen to including common parents, jordan, and activist who now heads up the gathering for justice, an ngo that was founded by bellefonte and the musician allo black, who along with common this month received the harry belafonte voices for social justice award welcome both of you to the program. here's an extraordinary documentary it's just so real time, like a tutorial, like a lesson evolving before your eyes. so we know that there's over incarceration of black and brown young people in the united states. and i want to play a little bit of hairy himself in the documentary. he talking about it, the gathering came out of a deeper inquiry on my part about incarceration of young people and the injustice system i do a lot of work in the lock-up with young people because i remember that's tremendous clarity what it was like to turn to work your way out of a bad deal. so comment, i wonder what you think is been achieved in the attempt to have more social justice in this regard. and also, what lessons in my conversations with mr. belafonte, one of them was part of the six principles of king and nonviolence. and it was principle number three, attack the forces of people, not people doing evil. and so when we were organizing the women's march the attack was not against trump. it was actually creating pathways and entry points for all women to feel that they were connected to a movement to something larger than themselves. and so mr. belafonte, with the attack was not against trump. it was actually creating pathways and entry points for all women to feel that they were connected to a movement to something larger than themselves. and so mr. belafonte would sit with me and guide me through the lessons he learned through the original march on washington. and so lot of what we were able to do with the 2017 women's march was really based on his guidance. he always said meet people where they're at, champion them to your cause. he said, there's a link for everybody to get involved in the movement. and so when we were thinking about preparing the agenda, we needed to bring an artist like alo black, alicia key he's other women who were demanding rights for women. and i wanted to ask you about a particular speech that harry made back in 2013 when he was i believe he was being awarded at the end naacp and he didn't just say thank you. >> he put everybody in the audience on notice. i'm just going to play an extract question is where is the raised the voice of black america why are we mute? >> where are our leaders legislators where is the church? >> you know, really throwing the gauntlet down. i mean, he was not afraid to shine the spotlight and, turn the mirror on his own community. what did you think allo when you when you heard about that speech? >> what i thought was it was my turn to step stand up and step into the light and be part of the change. harry was calling on all of us to use our voices, our celebrity, or influenced artistic expression. and so what i've been doing since then, putting together an album in with the support of an organization called stand together, where all the songs are representative