are we going to see jim, of course, this is incredibly significant it's the first earliest debate in modern presidential campaign history. >> and the reason is both candidates agreed to this debate. they want to try and define their opponents, define themselves, and frankly, shakeup this race for all of the changes follow the challenges in the country and the world this race has largely been much of how it's been for the last several months, if not year, donald trump has had a narrow lead nationally and in some battleground states president biden has been defending his record will onstage tomorrow evening, president biden will of course, try and draw that contrast with former president donald trump jim history is probably not our best guide for this because we have never seen two sitting president's side-by-side like this, making the case about one another. but think of all the differences over the last four years. one thing i'm struck by is we follow these candidates and listen sent to them and talk to voters. so much has changed. that's different, but foreign policy is chief among them, there will be a vast difference in that, of course, the invasion of ukraine crane has happened, the war in the middle east. but one thing that former president donald trump has been saying again and again is that he does not want another world war three he said that president biden has led to instability in the world. of course, president biden will take the converse view of that he is heralding his administration is one of building alliances increasing stability in the world. so foreign policy often does not decide elections, but look for that to be a central defining difference between the these two candidates. certainly one difference of so many, many between them. june, yeah. and jeff, the rules are going to be important this time around now they are. i mean, we are not going to see an audience at this debate. it is going to be a throwback to candidates onstage standing for 90 minutes with two commercial breaks breaks two moderators, and interestingly, presidents are never without their advisors. they're rarely without their age or their note cards. this time these two sitting president's one sitting present, one former president will be walking into this stage and studio alone. they will not have advisors around them, so they will be taking questions. the answers will be a defined by a topic and there'll be talking four two minutes with their rival getting one minute to respond. and then the original candidate getting one more minute to speak and the microphone certainly as an issue as well, we saw so much interrupting and the debate four years ago, this time the microphone will only be on for the candidate who was talking. of course, the question is, will some of the other sound bleeding? dover will that be used to distract president biden perhaps or vice versa? so but the big difference shim no audience of course, but voters there's certainly we'll be watching. and again, we should point out this is in battleground georgia. joe biden was the democratic winner here four years ago, the first time a democrat won, georgia in nearly three decades. so the close audience here, as well as of course, the national audience also. so important to the rest of this campaign jim, yeah, we'll be watching jeff. >> thank you very much. if new reporting in the meantime on how the candidates are preparing for this showdown, arlette saenz, kristen holmes, they have the details 4 as arlette, what are you learning well, as you in president biden is continuing to run through his mock debates in preparation for the showdown against donald trump, they have set up podiums for the president to practice that. >> and he's actually also so we're told watched a video that staffers had recorded during a walkthrough of the debate. so he knows exactly what that does. fate stage will look like. what he is looking out at as he's preparing to deliver these messages against trump, the biden campaign and his advisers are really are hoping to drive home some contrast on domestic issues like democracy, the economy, and abortion rights. but advisers are also aware that foreign policy could easily arise in this debate advisors believe that foreign policy is one of those areas where they can further drive those contrasts with trump trying to paint him as too dangerous to serve in the office of the presidency. of course, it also comes at a time when biden is also balancing his own foreign policy concerns as they are some within the democratic party who are frustrated with his handling of the conflict in gaza. now, while the president is preparing over at camp david, at the campaign headquarters in wilmington, they are very eager to push this democracy contrast today they've rolled out a key endorsement from former republican congressman adam kinzinger, a vocal critic of trump's actions relating to the january 6 insurrection, and this morning they have also rolled out a new television ad highlighting and tickin sheriff who says that trump neglected his duties as president on january 6 and did not side with lawn of course, been on that day. take a listen we should have been stopped. >> that's neglect of duty or sheriff, it's awful to watch, at least officers getting attacked. that's not supporting this badge and this uniform. i have no desire to work with somebody who devised that's not what america is, but i worked with anybody who unites. that's why i'm with present the joe biden now, biden has made protecting democracy a cornerstone of his campaign, but adviser is also believed that this is something that can really appeal to those anti-trump republicans who were turned off by trump's four years in office. >> and specifically his actions relating to the january 6 insurrection so all of this offering a bit of a preview of how biden, uh, could relay his contrast messaging against trump heading into this debate as have to take place on cnn tomorrow. >> all right. our lead. thank you. and kristen house, the trump debate prep going well, drum, nothing traditional about donald trump's debate prep, which i guess is not that surprising. >> he hasn't had any mock debates. he hasn't had someone sitting in joe biden or the moderators, jake tapper, or dana bash instead, it has a series of conversations of what they call quote, unquote policy sessions focusing on things like abortion, like democracy, how to answer those questions about what happened on jane anywhere six and donald trump's role. but what most of his advisers are trying to get donald trump to do is to focus on three key issues. as jeff said, this is really the unprecedented to have to city or one sitting president and one former president up on that stage together and donald trump, they want him to contrast his record to joe biden's on three issues the economy, particularly inflation crime, and immigration. they have seen recent polling that shows that people, voters favor donald trump when it comes to these three issues over joe biden. and that's what they want trump to hammer home. now one thing we i've heard from senior advisers, really in the last several days is a tempering of expectations. remember, they spent months saying that biden wasn't competent, that he couldn't stream two words together to make a sentence now we are hearing that he is a formidable opponent. a lot of that coming from this idea that he was holed up the eating camp, david really having this intense debate, prep something. of course donald trump was not doing now we did here from trump last night in an interview talking about some of his preparation, take a lesson i think i've been preparing for it for my whole life. >> if you want to know cheers and i'm not sure you can lock yourself into a room for two weeks or one week or two days and really learn what you have to know. >> obviously a reference to president joe biden, who again has been at camp david. big question, of course, will be which version of donald trump shows up? there has been some reflection by the former president and reason sunday as he did a rather candid interview, which he talked about the 2020 debate against biden, saying that he believed that he interrupted him too much. now whether or not that's going to impact his behavior on thursday please advisors certainly hope so, but obviously, no one will know which version of donald trump shows up until thursday that's right. >> are kristen holmes. thank you very much. let's discuss all this with cnn. political commentator, and former trump campaign adviser david urban, and also with us meghan, hey, she was director of message planning for the biden white house and david, i mean, what do you make of this no debate prep debate prep. look, you know, donald trump is not a traditional candidate. she's not going to prepare the traditional way. he's out there every day hey, he's doing the rallies, he's taken questions. he'd go to the helicopter, take he loved the given take so his preparation, he sees it as lip life every day, right? engaging and the give-and-take that he does with individuals and out on the out on the stump, he stops, talks to police officers six photos. so that's how he's preparing for it, right? that's probably the best way you can prepare. and megan, how does that affect the debate preparations for president biden? because it almost seems as though if that's the case, then you have to prepare for just about anything. right? i think that the president is doing that anyways, right? and he's used it. i think that you just never know what you're gonna get with donald trump. i think that's part of what they want to drive home is four more years of donald trump would be chaotic and return to that would be okay. i think that that's probably what they're preparing for and i think that joe biden just needs to keep a steady hand and because authentic selves and be true to who he is and david, i mean, what about what kristen was saying a few moments ago about initially they were saying biden has lost his step, but he can't put two words together and so on and and now, let's play a clip. >> this is what one republican congressman was saying over the weekend on these performance enhancing substance allegations that trump world is making, let's listen to that this one trump's team should not underestimate joe biden and his team's ability to whether they're going to jack him up on mountain dew or whatever it is that it look the state of the union this year he had a lot of energy for about an hour or an hour-and-a-half now that jacked up on mountain dew references maybe rightly drink mountain dew. i'm not sure i'll go right out of talladega nights. i think that was ricky bobby's two kids that was texas ranger well, there's that he was all jacked up on mountain dew is you're going to come after joe biden. are joe biden going to come after donald trump like a spider monkey? what's less, i think they'd love it if he came after like a spider get the biden camp need to see an energetic joe biden. they want to see youthful, aggressive joe biden and you heard kristen holmes that talk about this the trump campaign was to see a more subdued donald trump. donald trump in the second debate in 2020, if he shows up on thursday night, it's going to cause very big problems for joe biden because he was constrained. he stuck to the topics he was policy focused, and he clearly want to debate. nobody remembers it because i didn't watch because he did so poorly in the first debate. the second debate, he did very well if that guy shows up, w for the trump camp. yeah, but but david, i mean, how cillian is getting when we're talking about jacked up on mountain dew. i mean, come on this is just pass the laugh test where he bought listen, so i think first you're last maybe, maybe by drive around the cougar in his car. we don't know what the trump campaign is trying to do is just paint a picture like the president when people see him, when cpsc president by now kind of shuffles along a little bit, doesn't look like the most robust sky at the state of the union. he was a pretty robust fell up. people saw a different a different joe biden now maybe maybe slept all day, maybe that's what happened and they will come versions of donald trump to listen, but you've been around for another one because you've been around. i've been around donald trump is a robust felon, no matter what time of day it is. okay. okay. megan, let's put a quota on screen, i guess trump has acknowledged that he isn't always at the top of his game. and has acknowledged that he interrupted the president too much at that first debate four years ago i suppose there is the possibility, despite what david was saying about trumping charged up all the time, that trump could come in more subdued. and then what is biden do at that point? >> i think that the president continues to drive home his method and show what he did for the people for the last four years and lay out what he wants to do for the next four years. i think i'm not sure that donald trump is going to show up subdued. i mean, i think all hope for that but i think the president is a game de person. he shows up prepared for things. he shows up all the time consistently, just like you did on the state of union. so i just i wouldn't be surprised if he reacted poorly. >> david, i mean, here's the screen, here's the full screen right here at the second one, i was different. i got great marks on the second one. i'm probably going to look at the scene at the time. it's like a fight. it depends on what the situation it is yeah. well, let's say you saw them with the stair down with jake paul the other day, right he went overboard that first time. >> he wasn't gave biden a huge opening. absolutely. biden said shut up, man, absolutely. think that he recognizes he didn't comport himself. well, there you'll do much better. let's hit it really cuts into the narrative of the biden campaign's narrative that it's chaos and it's gonna be the end of the world. if john chubb talks talk substance and is measured, i mean game over, that's why the optics matter here almost more than a substance for both of these guys and megan, what about what happened last night? jamaal bowman losing that primary battle, what do you think? what's going on? i mean, he has used in represent his district that's why you have primary, so he's views were out of step with his district and he paid the price for it and losses primary i mean, i think also when you do things that he has done, what pulled the fire alarm and some other more incendiary things that's what happens. >> people don't like that. he adds a representation and hits people, don't like that. that's, i mean, that's why elections matter. >> that hasn't been a clean sweep for all trump endorsed candidates this cycle, what does that mean, david, that's the primary. i think there are republican primary, donald trump's still has a pretty firm grip on the republican base. when it comes to general elections. a little bit, a little bit mixed bag, but generally the candidates this cycle been really, really good candidates. we've, we've got good folks on the team this time. so we'll see, we're very hopeful for the fall of 24. so i can look like 22. all right, guys. thank you very much. i'm going to be all jacked up on mountain dew tomorrow there's one thing that certain that's it. all right, guys. thanks very much. were about 33 hours from cnn's historic presidential debate in atlanta. don't mess president biden and former president trump on cnn and max tomorrow night at nine eastern, when we come back, why supreme court justice samuel alito says the country may come to regret today's ruling on social media. a very important ruling today, more and all of that in just i would say whether the most anticipated moment of this election and the stakes couldn't be higher. the 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