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Transcripts For CNNW Laura 20240625



>> and he was once doj's public enemy number one, i'm talking about julian assange, the wikileaks founder, who disclosed lows military secrets. so why did they just strike a deal to let them go free and new reporting in the idaho murders, journalists who's spent money investigating the case reveals a new theory about an alleged motive. >> all tonight on laura coates live well, it's really the big question on everyone's mind is mit how will thursday's cnn debate change or impact the election at all? >> well, the answer could believe will depend very well on which kind of candidates shows that. let me, let me explain what i mean by that. donald trump's allies, they want to see a donald trump who sticks to the issues. one who dial is back and i mean, a back, the insults, the extreme language. in other words, they don't really want rally trump the trump who is obsessed over losing election or the one who advocates for a migrant fight club the radical left democrats rig the presidential election in 2020 and we're not going to allow them to rig the presidential election in 2024. >> but i said dana, dana i have an idea for you to make a lot of money. you're gonna go and start a new migrant fight leg, migrant it's only migrants now the funny thing is fits exactly the trump that team biden hopes shows up. >> one may labeled as unhinged. now, the trump team on the other hand, they hadn't hoping that the man may insult as sleepy joe will show up exactly as that slow and tired and showing any signs with things that will have voters thinking more about his age than about his policies. but suddenly, team trump appears word that's not who they're going to get there trying not to say that they think the whole get a state of the union. joe a feisty president who dispels the notion that he is physically or mentally not up for the job you can love your country only when you win. >> how my predecessor a former republican president tells putin, quote, do whatever the hell you want that's a chrome a former president actually said bowing down to a russian leader. i think it's outrageous, is dangerous and it's unacceptable so tonight, just in case he gets the wrong biden, the one he doesn't want donald trump is seemingly trying to plant a seed. >> how you ask by pushing this baseless accusation that biden will be on some kind of drugs posting drug tests for crooked joe biden. i would also immediately agree to take one well, joining me now football commentator for cnn and former republican lieutenant governor of georgia, geoff duncan. he has endorsed biden for president and he breaks down the three things that biden needs to do to win thursday's debate in a new op ed and the atlanta journal constitution. >> so get to see you again. >> lieutenant governor duncan in just thinking about who might show up at these debates, the candidate, the personality, which version of each will be there? i mean, you say that president biden, he's got to drive home these points to win the debate. on thursday, he's got to answer the age and vitality questions once and for all. he's got to speak to all economic omic realities and remind the country of the embarrassing tumbled of the trump presidency. and so i do wonder from the first part, how does biden go about trying to even attempt to end the discussion about his age once and for all on thursday well, here we go. georgia is in the center of the political universe again, home of the safest, fairest, and most legal elections in the country. and we've proven it. >> yet i think the vitality question is huge. >> he's gotta show up ready to go mentally and physically. and donald trump doesn't my favorite every time he downplays or lowers the bar of expectations, a joe biden has exceeded here are those expectations in debate after debate and quite honestly, even in the last state of the union. but he's got to show up and he's got to put a strong foot forward and really stay on message. i think the fact that he's got to keep his composure and he's got to be able to show that device of difference between him and donald trump and who they are and what they are well, you know, teller baby after cry might be difficult to maintain one's composure if you're saying somebody who's maybe intent on not letting you do just that, but we'll see how this all plays out. also, sources are telling cnn that on the issue of the economy that biden is being urged to change tactics at the debate, not, not focus and discuss on the positives in the economy under his record, like people would normally expect to do to tout their successes. but some democrats want them to focus on attacking trump for cozying up to corporate america. number one, do you agree with that strategy and why if no. telling him to do that? >> well, i do think this is a tale of two stories. this economy, i mean, some folks wake up every morning and this is the worst economy ever if they're trying to buy a house or afford rent or buy groceries others are waking up and this is the greatest economy ever. their house is worth more they're there, they're there for one k is worth more. small businesses doing well i think joe biden has got to speak to both of those realities to be able to meet, be able to make sure it doesn't stoke fear and those that are seeing those tailwinds in the economy, but also to be able to speak to those that are really suffering. and just trying to play up the fact that the economy strong doesn't fit well to some of those voters. the middle is watching this. i think this is an opportunity for joe biden actually extend an olive branch to those lines like me in the middle that are conservative, but just not angry about it and that all of branches to admit that we have a spending problem in this country. and that in his second term, he is going to keep his eye on the ball on spending because ultimately that's where this inflationary problem came. donald trump spent over $1 trillion. we didn't have joe biden continues to spend trillions of dollars. we don't have that is what has led to this inflation and every bubble that we're living in. >> now, you make a good point about how you really can't force people to feel the way that you're success is, might expect them to feel and get in line with it, but just touting and saying what i've done, all these things might not meet the actual moment for some voters, but i do wonder, should biden want voters? to try to remember the chaos of the trump administration when he obviously does, but you have advised him to think of to let trump be trump to let people remember what trump was live with the presidency was like, what it was like to have him govern is that the right tactic here, letting him be trump knowing, of course it could come with some pitfalls about maybe going on too long about topics about showing a particular side of him derailing the debate 45% of america is going to fall in love with donald trump, no matter what comes out of his mouth, 45% of the country is going to fall in love with joe biden with whatever comes out of his mouth that 10% is who they need to speak to. >> and i think joe biden needs to remind america that donald trump doesn't deserve to be the next president. he deserves be the next inmate and rikers island he think he needs to really double down on the fact that his own peers found him guilty of multiple charges and he's up follows, you know, he's got cases in multiple states and jurisdictions. certainly that's in play. we should use that as an accountable feature of whether or not we choose somebody to be the next president of the united states. i think joe biden has every right to paint that picture too. america that he's not donald trump and you know what that's okay. >> speaking of the pay of the picture, you mentioned the beginning that georgia is now again the center of the political universe. all eyes on georgia shout out to ray charles it's everyone's honore was mind still, but your home state actually is where this debate is taking place. obviously the airwaves are being flooded with campaigns in ads. people are putting a lot of money into making sure that georgia voters in particular have an opinion going in and likely one coming out. so what are people saying about all the campaign ads that are coming in and are they making a difference in the way that you think georgia voters? >> well view this issue yeah, i personnel feel like the ads are making any sort of overwhelming difference. >> i mean, either loved donald trump or you don't love them. the folks that are going to choose this next president are folks just like me that are conservative, that are level headed republicans that are just either going to decide to stay on the couch and not vote for either one of them or they're going to show up and actually make it make a difference. it's in vote for joe biden to be able to allow us as common sense conservatives to launch day one of gop to 0.0, the day donald trump gets beat is the day this party, the republican party, gets to get back on its feet and start over again. >> well, someone say he's already been be but he doesn't think so. so we'll see jeff duncan. thank you so much for joining us and then enjoying reading your op-eds. i know the next one is coming out soon. i'm sure. thank you so much. i want to continue our conversation here with our political commentator for cnn and republicans pollster, christian soul ties anderson also former trump administration official, matt mauer and host. can we please talk podcast mic leon, i always make sure that's very like can we talk can we talk more people? you let me begin with this though, because it's just thinking about who shows up, which type of candidate obviously everyone's going to be watching this debate and thinking different things. it's kind of an inkblot war shack tests for people. but i wonder from your perspective, what do you think voters will be most watching for? is it substantive or is it the idea of, i want to know how they perform with one another? >> i think it's both that's by the way, the way you frame the question is the first thing i'm looking for the weight jake and dana frame questions to them is the biggest thing that i'm looking for. but from a vote, why is that? >> well, because like some for example, why would we ask him if he's going to accept the results of the 2024 election, he hasn't accepted the 2020. he has accepted a 2016 it's not rigged and stolen. high, no, because he's participating in and again, you don't participate in something that's already rigged and stolen that you've felt you've been cheated on. so back to the voter thing though for a second. i think voters and kristen could speak to this a little bit better. they're looking at single issues, right? the war in gaza, right? the money that's being spent by the u.s. on that the economic initiatives that we've talked about, consumer goods are up year over year. those are just numbers. it's math stuff. >> so how did these guys speak about that? >> the problem is the underlying issue is we have this new format of muting microphones and being able to hear people back talk. and maybe that sidetracked a candidate to talk about something else. house does that take away the focal point of a policy discussion which we all agree, we want that are we going to get that who knows? >> well, do voters, i mean want those policy issues or do they i mean, you have to wonder, sometimes you're a pollster, you know this quite well, but with this area, all of you really but what do you think the voters are most looking for out of the presidential debate? keep in mind this the earliest one we've ever had really, it sounds nice to say, hey, these candidates need to come with their pinpoint plan to fix the economy. >> and if i went out and did a poll and i ask voters, what do you want to hear from candidates? >> people would probably say i'd like to hear them ever substantive discussion on the issues. >> but the reality is, this is going to be a spectacle. >> people are going to tune in to figure out what does it look like when these two men now for years older than they were the last it's time they did this stand on a stage next to each other. >> i don't think that it's likely that either of these candidates wins the debate on substance. >> but i do think that there are substantive ways these candidates can lose the debate. so take donald trump for instance, if he gets asked a question, as i'm sure he will be on an issue like abortion he cannot survive giving an answer that says well, i don't really have a position. we're coming up with the policy. it's going to be great. >> i'll tell you next week. >> i'll tell you next week. that's what he did recently on an issue like birth control you can't do that. this is an issue that is very important to a lot of voters and they want clarity on it. and so there are ways that substantively these candidates can say something that sounds wishy-washy is a non answer, and that can create a bad moment for them much more so than i think anyone is going to dazzle the public with some great substance and to have response to a policy? >> well, i do wonder them in that respect is this i mean, listen to what trump has been saying about preparing for this debate. if it may be, he's aware of that notion and the spectacle aspect of it listen to how he says he's well prepping how are you preparing? i'm preparing by taking questions from you and others if you think about it, but i'm preparing by dealing with you. your tougher than all i'm dealing with you that's what i'm ready to do. >> is that really enough? >> all look, i've got confession bag i played 18 holes of golf today for the first time in over five years, and i sucked on the course. you know why i didn't practice. i haven't been out there in five-years actually doing anything every single shot was awful. and so it is important for them get practice. he's not wrong. donald trump is always prepared for debates this way. i remember back in 2016 some of the campaign we're scheduling tab on hall style meetings for him, justin advance of the debate with hillary clinton, he was very keen on making sure there weren't flashing lights, there weren't cue cards. they're prepared, preplanned questions. you want a flat-out town hall because he's also a little superstitious. >> if you over prepare some times, kind of lose that type of what he values is one of his group greatest strength, which is his instinct. >> this is a guy who really prioritize having an open schedule when he was running the trump companies and trump operation, in part because he wanted that flexibility. you want to be able to change based upon instinct during the day, he does the st. goes the same way into a debate setting. obviously very different from what president biden's doing right now, hunkered down at camp david, preparing as many probably plan leinz as he can. and i'm sure the white house is crafting a lot of them. so be very interesting to see. do you take preparation? they take instinct because that's what we're going to see on thursday. >> i wing it every night just want to you want to practice? >> because we don't want to sound rehearsed. i think that would be the biggest message that i would give to president biden if he's if he's preparing some leinz, make some funny jokes like you just did about playing golf. i'm 70 handicapped by the way a kind of jokes that you make, but it has to come off natural, like there's a certain genesee qual about this, right? >> that we're all watching for. this is the superbowl kids. okay. so for those of you out there watching, this is a soup bowl. we want to learn more about these folks you're truly independent. you want to hear policy discussion watch this and watch how they sound. and can you trust this person for the next four years and tolerate them being in your living room every single day for the next four years. and that's the key thing. >> well, we already know that voters have kinda said no to both of them. >> and that's where in some ways i think that this debate, it has a lot of peril for donald trump. >> obviously, i'm frankly surprised he agreed to it. >> said sure, i'll show up wherever whenever because right now, trump is slightly ahead in the polls. >> there's more of a likelihood that this changes the race in a negative direction. for him on the other hand, that spontaneity i really think that is the one place where trump has the opportunity to get one up on biden. >> if for instance, biden does have a moment where he's maybe not his sharpest, not as his best. there's a way donald trump can come out, hit that too hard, be mean, be a bully and turn everyone off. >> but if you make some sort of light quip and moves on, there is a way that donald trump, i think still is a little more energetic than biden is better at television as an art than biden. >> there's a chance that donald trump, the apprentice guy, for instance shows up on that point though, and you made the point earlier about there are certain topics when it's not gonna be enough just to have window dressing on issues reproductive rights. one very important one. there are going to be the answer as it must be given for voters. and there's not the audience to feed off of, to have that instant gratification. am i doing okay, there's no active list it's nerves in the actual moderators. there are, there's not an audience of people who are going to tell you, i like what you said, or i didn't. that's going to be hard to have that vacuum forum, but there's one independent voter that told the times this so i want to read it for you all. this is the most apprehensive i've felt about a presidential debate. i sense a disaster in the making where neither will look presidential. i do wonder how acute is that fear for them? >> you've got to remember the other pieces, 2s that you can go with the best plan strategy. and i've run for office, i've been on in debates. you can go with everything planned. >> it's all human experience at the end of the de, these are two candidates. >> we hate each other, but they make no bones about they personally dislike each other and so as much as i'm sure both them are getting go in, prepared with some persona to some degree. there. eventually human emotion can take over in these debates settings. and we'll see how they react to each other. but because of that visceral dislike of each other, i think that voters concerns are gonna be confirmed on thursday and i can just piggyback one thing because geoff duncan said there about the 10% in the middle it's more like 14, 15%, and you don't know how i know that because rfk, jill stein, cornell west, or totaling 14% and and 156 million people voted in 2020. and if you'd use simple math of 15% as 20 three-and-a-half million people. i think that are truly feeling independent or politically homeless, that that's where you have to really talk to. and that's what that kind of speaks to right there on thursday that they're going to be watching for. >> and of course, you've got the voters who didn't ref, they're trying to capture a younger voters. will they listen for the all debate? well, they wait for the sound bites that come out. >> can you get the full essence of the debate or how they perform if you only have that, you had to watch it. >> thank you so much to all of you. i appreciate it. jake tapper and dana bash moderate thursday's debate live from the atl, beginning at nine pm eastern and also streaming on max. >> while the controversial wikileaks founder who was facing a potential 175 year prison sentence. now free. >> well, the deal of his letting julian assange avoid u.s. imprisonment. and what former director of national intelligence, james clapper thinks about it next thursday night live for midland. the most anticipated moment of this election. >> biden dr. honore on mate america isn't future because t

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