presidential debate now, just four days away, that is the live countdown clock. the first major showdown between incumbent president joe biden and former >> the president donald trump, since 2020, and the earliest general election debate in us history. now the two candidates are preparing in very different ways, trump taking a less conventional approach, meeting with potential running mate's and hitting the campaign trail where he's again been mocking the man. he'll be facing off against right now, crooked joe's gone to a log cabin to study, prepare. >> no, he didn't do his sleeping now because they want to get them good and strong so a little before debate time, he gets a shot. >> i say he'll come out all jacked up, right. all jacked obviously, no basis for that. but meanwhile, biden is currently at camp david with a close team of advisers poring over possible questions, holding mock debates, and focusing on how to best frame trump as unfit for office. cnn senior white house reporter kevin lip tech joins me in the studio with new details about how the biden campaign hopes to max demise on this major showdown with trump. so kevin, what do you, what are you learning about the preparation process? >> yeah, i think it's clear that the biden team really views this debate as a critical moment. they are ramping up the stakes and in fact, we've just got this memo from the campaign this morning that kind of lays out their strategy and i think if it world's down to one thing, it's really trying to make clear this contrast between biden and trump. they really don't think that a lot of americans are paying any attention to this election, but they think that this could be the moment that they start tuning in and they really want to crystallize that difference is they say put a magnifying glass on the choice that people have in front of them in november. and so that is why president biden is spending so much time at camp david. it's almost a week and it is providing obviously an opening for trump to make fun of him a little bit. but they think it's worth it. they think that this is going to be an essential time for president biden to really hone in and why he plans to talk about and it was interesting in this memo we were talking yesterday that ron klain, who is leading this debate prep has these debate rules that he wrote probably a decade ago. one of them is coming up with three things that you must say in the distillate. and i think it's clear from this memo what those three things are. one is talking about abortion and talking about trump's record on abortion and really trying to lay at his feet the overturning of roe versus wade. that's something they think will galvanize democrats. they think it's really important heading into the debate. the other is talking about his attacks on democracy. obviously this has been an underpinning of the entire biden campaign, but they really do want to drive home the threats that they see trump poses to democracy. the threats of political violence. they think that's an important contrast point and the last one is the economic agenda. obviously this is a lot of voters, top issues. they really do want to make the point that they think that trump's plans would benefit the wealthy. but there are obviously risks in that because biden in many ways so vulnerable on the economy, a lot of people are still dissatisfied with their economic conditions. so those are the three things that i think biden is almost certainly hammering away out there at camp david this weekend, really making sure he has crystallized what he wants to say and says it very crisply. so that point gets across. >> and on that first the point that you brought up on abortion likely going to have some momentum going into i mean, we're a day out in the two-year anniversary of the supreme court overturning roe v. wade. we know that campaign, the biden campaign has people out and about to sort of drive up enthusiasm around those issues. so we'll see how that actually plays in when the debate actually comes. kevin live attack. >> appreciate it. obviously a lot have to talk about here. that's why you've got some of the best. let's discuss with our political panels, senior staff editor at new york times opinion, david rohde, lick, and national political report at the washington examiners celina zayda. all right. good to see you both look, trump and his team are trying to spin biden's debate prep as another sign that he's unfit for office, that he's locked away it out in the mountains and i want to play a little clip from gop congressman impossible. trump vp contender byron donalds this morning he has to be in camp david for 78 days to prepare himself to be in a 90 minute debate with donald trump. >> that does not bode well for a man who says he wants four more years so david, i'll start with you. i mean, what do you make of the different preparation strategies that we're seeing here so omar, i think, right, the biden team needs to ignore this teasing from trump and his surrogates over the next few days. >> the proof will be in the pudding when they actually debate on thursday night on cnn biden is not good at improvising so the prep is useful to him. trump is someone who improvises. so it's not surprising that he's not huddled up with his team in that same way biden needs to focus on two of those three things that kevin mentioned a minute ago. he needs to focus on telling a story about where we are in the economy now and where he and vice president harris want to take the country in a second term. he can't just list off the bills they passed an executive orders. he signed he also needs to focus on talking talking to americans about what how he has brought the country back from covid, he shouldn't focus omar on on, on, on trump's he shouldn't focus falls on what trump is, not. election. he shouldn't focus on trump's convictions because people already know about that. >> yeah. and salina, i'll ask you a version of the same question. i mean, it's trump running a risk by foregoing traditional debate prep or was this always? please going to be the case ahead of an event like this well, i think this was always going to be the case. >> this is just how he functions best. it's not traditional, it's not what most people do going into a very critically important debate. however, it works for him and i think biden's preparation works for hand. these are two very different men who approached politics and a very, very different way. >> i think david was really right. >> i think biden's big weakness right now is his narrative on on the economy and the inflation. i think is also his biggest weakness in talking with voters is not expressing, i'm going to take you to a better place that americans love sort of aspirational qualities in a leader, they want to be part of something bigger than themselves. and i think the onus is on biden to make that argument and i think that's working needs to focus. >> now, we just heard a little bit from kevin lip tack, a little bit earlier that there are three issues. biden is expected to drive home during the debate. abortion, democracy, and how trump's economic plans have heard the middle-class david, what is your real action to seeing these issues? >> are they the right issues for biden to sort of work within over the course of this debate yeah, omar abortion is that one issue that republicans are clearly on their heels. were democrats clearly have the initiative because republicans don't have a straight message on this, and democrats can use it to drive a voter enthusiasm among their base. but again, biden has to tell that positive story. everybody knows about january 6. everybody knows about the conviction biden has to tell that positive story and say, look, unemployment at 4%, the stock market is 8,000 points above where it was when i took office. yes. inflation is down for over quarter, but prices are still high. we are going to do xyz in our second term to realize the goals of the american people, those are the issues that voters tell pollsters over and over again that they care about and selena, do you agree with david there but also what do you expect trump to focus? >> because sign if you had to line up the similar issues 100% agree with david american politics, the winter is always about who has put together a coalition, right? and these coalitions sort of have this frankenstein thing where you don't really think of people being together. >> but on the economy and on being in a better place david is 100%, right? that is what the american people are looking for. i think abortion for democrats. it was worked perfectly for them in 2022 and to a lesser degree, in 2023. and one democratic told me it was going to be great for us until it just wasn't anymore. the challenge with abortion in states like pennsylvania, ohio, and michigan, it's already enshrined voters, especially in ohio and michigan spoke about it, and it cannot be touched so i think it's, it's, it's gonna be a challenge for them to push that too far. in terms of trump. i think trump recognizes that the most important voter in this election cycle is the working class voter in 2016, those working class voters, which are traditions holy part of the democratic coalition, moved to more heavily towards a republicans. and those were white working class voters. i think the most important voters right now are still working class, but it's not divided by race. and those are the ones that are feeling it the most with the economy, but also with crime. and let them border crisis. >> so i think his message will likely be to focus on galvanizing those voters. >> and look, i think the bottom line here is both of these candidates are looking to improve their standing with the voters, communicate what they believe they'll bring to a new term here in the us david, i guess just from your perspective, what is biden need to do to improve his standing with voters because of this point, either the polls have not shown them in a good spot, or at the very least have shown him neck and neck with donald trump in a too close to call type scenario, how do you improve on that? >> ahmad, that last fox news poll that showed him up two percentage points nationally was good news for biden. it tells me that the race is still sort of a jump ball, but he's got to keep focused on those swing states, right? we don't have an election across the country in a national election, we have 50 statewide elections and it's in those swing states, he can afford to lose more than in most scenarios, probably two of the states he one last time. and that's where the focus has to be not on. oh, he's up or down in a national poll now, i do disagree with salinas slightly. my old friend celina slightly on which demographic is most important. you've got to look at those book persuadable voters between the 45 yard lines and to me, those voters, especially are white women with college degrees in the suburbs. i do think they will be important in those pennsylvania collar counties in michigan, in nevada, and arizona so we know i'll i'll bring you back next time and we'll start with your response, but we're out of time. >> thanks for being here serbian you, silina david's, who are really appreciate you guys. >> thanks. all right. we're falling a lot of other headlines as well, including breaking news out of russia. state media says officials or blaming what they call quote, adherence of an international terrorist organization. and what they're calling coordinated attacks in the south of russia. now so far it's not clear how many people have been killed or injured earlier today, a priest was killed inside a church and a synagogue set on fire after gunmen attacked, according to police see, here are some of the video that we've brought in their separately, officials say, gunman fired on a police traffic post and a synagogue. there was also targeted. >> cnn's clear, sebastian is tracking the latest from london. >> claire, what more or police? >> it's able to confirm at this point yeah. >> as you say they believed that these attacks which happened at around the same time in two cities, that some 80 or so miles apart, that are bent. and then my hajj color further to the north, both of them along the caspian sea coast of dagestan, that they are now being investigated as terror attacks, we don't know the death and injury tolls for sure at this point, initial reports suggested that they were mostly law enforcement officers. are those as you say, one priest, according to the dagestan monitoring commission, was killed in deir bent gruesome details of managing that. he was apparently had his throat slit by attackers, security guards, also, according to some reports have been among the injured or killed, but this news is still sort of coming out and you can see from those night shots that those scenes of violence continued pretty late into the evening. what i can tell you is that dagestan is a pretty tub region, has seen sporadic violence over the years at borders, chechnya. and this is a predominantly muslim region. so clearly, there's a lot of focus on the targets of these attacks which made me seem to have been synagogues and churches in these two separate cities. of course, omar where sebastian, i appreciate it, but i also want to actually thank you for that. we're going to move on. but i appreciate those those updates for us all right. still ahead. stunning accusations against a texas woman accused of trying to drown a three-year-old girl at a pool. why those in the community rudy are calling the incident a potential hate-crime. plus major gun cases decided on by the supreme court, including upholding the law and preventing domestic violence abusers from accessing guns. we're going to talk with the director of the atf. you're in these cnn newsroom the most anticipated the moment of this election. >> and the stakes couldn't be higher. the president and the former president one stage moderated by jake tapper and dana bash to cnn presidential the big thursday night at nine live on cnn and streaming on max. >> if you have chronic kidney disease, you can reduce the risk of kidney failure with bar sega because they're places like to be for seeker can cause serious side effects, including ketoacidosis that may be fatal dehydration, urinary tract, or genital yeast infections boebert sugar are rare life-threatening bacterial infection in the skin of the perineum could occur. stop taking four sika and call your doctor right away if you have symptoms of disinfection and allergic reaction or ketoacidosis i won't, let my moderate to severe plaque psoriasis symptoms define me emerged as you with trump via most people saw 90% clear skin for months. >> and the majority stayed clearer at five years cbs allergic reactions may occur, can fire, may increase your risk of infections and lower your ability to fight that. >> tell your doctor if you have an infection or symptoms or if you had a vaccine or plan to emerge as you emerge drum phi it ask your doctor about trump via with priceline vip family, you can unlock deals five times faster. you don't even have to be an actual family. >> i'd be the dad on the day physically, it's clear that i'm the dad. >> okay. so which data is pain? 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