burnett outfront starts right now. >> outfront next, trump's favorite, judge about to put jack smith and the hotseat as a judge in the classified documents case faces new questions tonight about whether she should step aside. plus the final word goes to trump new reporting tonight on why biden is letting the former president have the last say in next week's debate, what is biden strategy and sounding the alarm tonight, the chairman of the house intelligence committee accusing the biden administration of sleepwalking as putin threatens to put a nuclear weapon in space i wish mike turner is my guest tonight. let's go out front and good evening. >> i'm erin burnett outfront tonight. trump's cannon ball. trump's favorite, judge aileen cannon, could be hours away from deciding if jack smith gets fired and at this hour tonight, cannon is facing new questions as to whether or not she should be even overseeing this classified documents trial, the mar-a-lago case, according to the new york times and new reporting tonight to senior florida federal judges, reportedly told cannon to step aside after she was assigned to this get case. and in the world we live in, it's important to just say some of the facts here. one of the judges who recommended this to cannon is named cecilia. i'll to naga republican appointee. >> she is the districts chief judge with decades of experience keep in mind aileen cannon wasn't even the dej. and until trump made her 14 years ago, according to the new york times, cannon rebuffed any suggestion from these judges that you should give up the trump's case completely rejected it. a case in which she has done thus far everything that you possibly could and her powers. a judge, to slow roll the proceedings that includes appointing a special master to review the sensitive documents taken at mar-a-lago to now taking up trump's request to challenge jack smith's appointment has even being involved on the case, an issue that other courts have resoundingly rejected, but not cannon. she has given trump exactly what he hoped for. >> i did nothing wrong. it's presidential records act. i did nothing. we have a deranged individual named jack smith. he's a deranged that dumb guy is a dumb son of a well, that's his feelings about jack smith and cannon is entertaining trump's requests to have evidence seized at mar-a-lago thrown out as well. that hearing coming up in days. the bottom line is this. >> cannons actions have now essentially ensured that trump's case does not go to trial before the election. >> in fact, she hasn't even decided on at least eight major issues, six motions to dismiss, a gag order request, and i guess on top of all of it, important to note, she has even set a trial date. >> it is no wonder that judge cannon, thus far is trump's favorite judge. i know it's a very highly respected judge, are very smart, judge, and a very strong jackpot. >> you appointed her. >> i did. and i'm very proud to have appointed her, but she very smart and very strong. and the levs our country online, he posted this about jack smith's saying he should be sanctioned or censured for the way he is attacking a highly respected judge aileen cannon and trump calling her smart, strong, highly respected. of course. >> she became a judge when he appointed her to be a judge, he was prosecuted before that. >> it's night they didn't day from how he treats other judges i was recently informed that another corrupt or new york judge, juan merchan gagged me. >> this judge should be recused. and the case should be thrown out. he's totally conflicted and goren is a huaxia when he did was a disgrace. and then i add judge kaplan those harb, bias thing, but i've been treated very unfairly by this judge. now, this judges of mexican heritage, i'm building a wall evan perez is outfront live in fort pierce, florida. ahead of that hearing tomorrow, and evan, that is important and a lot of hearings coming up here for cannon that could be extremely significant. what's going on? >> that's right there and we have three days of hearings beginning tomorrow. judge cannon has scheduled to listen to a number of issues, including one that's very unusual tomorrow where she's actually entertaining requests from from several outside groups. basically calling into question the legality of jack smith's appointment as a special counsel. the argument that trump has been making and is now being supported by these outside groups. is that because he wasn't a person who was approved by the senate. that the attorney general, merrick garland made a mistake and it's essentially exceeding his authority by appointing a jack smith as special counsel. now, this is an argument that has been made by others, including by hunter biden. a similar argument was made before two of the judges that are hearing different cases for hunter biden and those judges have have cast aside those arguments. but judge cannon has decided that this is worth hearing tomorrow. we'll have several hours of arguments from groups that are both in support of jack smith's position and also against his appointment. we're also going to hear in the next few days on monday, we're going to have a hearing on a request by the special counsel to have a gap ag order placed on the former president and to have it in force essentially as a part of his release conditions. and of course, as you mentioned, erin, there's also his effort to toss the case an evidenced that was seized in the search of mar-a-lago. all of these things obviously are eating up the calendar, which is what of course is the goal? for the former president is legal team. >> all right, evan, thank you very much and in all of this is the crucial question, right? it was four years ago that judge cannon became a judge. she became a judge when then president donald trump appointed her and gave her the title judge. so if she qualified to be handling this case, jessica schneider is outfront my sincerest thanks to the president for honor of his nomination. >> judge, aileen cannon, owes her nomination to the federal bench to donald trump. and in the two years she's overseeing the classified documents case against trump in florida, her handling of the criminal case has raised eyebrows especially her slow walking crucial decisions that make a trial before the november election, extremely unlikely. >> it's taking forever because judge cannon continues to indulge the defendant in just about every request granting hearings were other judges would have either rejected them or ruled based on the paperwork and now the new york times reporting to senior federal judges in florida privately urged judge cannon to pass off the case to another judge when it was randomly assigned to her in june 2023, she had been on the bench just three years at that point after being confirmed by the senate in 2020, when she was asked if she had any loyalty to president trump, she unequivocally responded. no then one of the first decisions related to the classified docs case, favorite trump, by granting his request to have a special master oversee the review of classified documents. first seized by the fbi at mar-a-lago? it was a decision that halted the ability of doj's prosecutors to review the documents and a conservative appeals court, including two trump appointees rebuked her by reversing her ruling, but they described as untenable and allowing the doj to resume. its investigation that led to trump's indictment. attorneys who have practiced before, judge cannon tell cnn for drawn-out decision-making process, isn't unique to trump's case attorney saying she is not efficient, calling her indecisive and noting she just seems overwhelmed by the process. some of the defense attorneys who asked cnn not to use their names also say she is typically tough on criminal defendants and she is a very prix horse sentencer, but they questioned her decisions on trump. one of them saying she's certainly playing a different game with the current defendant before her trump's former attorney though, argues her decision so far are about what he would expect in a criminal case. beginning stages, there's a lot of people that are already kinda preemptively throwing stones at her saying she's overmatched, doesn't know what she's doing. >> the reality is, she's doing stuff that's actually pretty typical to federal practice for a non incarcerated defendant, judge cannon also has been tough on the special counsel's team. she is reprimanded them for failing to follow local court rules another attorney describing cannon style this way, she doesn't like the government to come in and play bully, steamroller, some don't see judge cannon is playing favorites though, and contend it just comes down to a lack of time on the federal bench. i think it's a matter of inexperience. she is sitting in a satellite courthouse by herself in fort pierce there is no senior judge to help her along and just before aileen cannon became a federal judge, she was a federal prosecutor in florida for seven years. >> but in that time, she only participated on trial teams in four criminal trials since she's been on the bench as a federal judge, she's actually only presided err over a handful of criminal trials, and that includes one that a fellow judge in florida actually took over for her. so her experience is slim and aaron, it's proving to be somewhat of a major light liability. >> all right. jessica, thank you very much. i want to go straight now to ty cobb, the former trump white house layer so taiwan, we're learning that two federal judges advised cannon to step aside. she rejected them. >> you hear, others though, de of ehrenberg, saying, that this was maybe all of this is more a matter of inexperience than anything else. what do you take away from this? so i don't even think dave believes that but i think with regard to judge cannon's behavior and her consistent rulings and trump's favor. we're way beyond point of characterizing are merely as an experienced, i think it's like having a race between the tortoise and the hare and saying the tortoise is not a favorite the reality is, she is slow and she's slow on purpose she is already delayed this case far beyond where it needs to be. keep in mind as late as march, both sides, trump's lawyers and the prosecution said this case could be tried this summer. yeah she's made that impossible and pushed it all back on her by herself. >> is there anyone tie at this point who could make her step aside so the 11th circuit can make her step aside. i think you will call you and i discussed long ago when this case was first assigned, you know, how irregular that was in light of the 11th circuit? >> reprimand of her for her huge judicial interference and criminal justice process in connection with the search warrant and her appointment of a special master and some other things she made up out of whole cloth. i think i raised this time. i wonder why the chief justice or chief judge of the district didn't and impose her will and make this make this go to another judge. well, i'm relieved today to see that she actually did that and i think very highly over for that, she's a very highly regarded judge, very experienced and and thoughtful and i'm glad she attempted to do that. >> and it's shocking the level of disrespect that young inexperienced judge of cannon's sort would disrespect or chief judge in connection with that or and another elder, particularly when as we know, that there was a there's a specialty compartmentalize information facility oh, the end the miami of accessible to the miami courthouse. >> that's not accessible in fort pierce. so at taxpayers expense her refusal to have the case assigned to a more experienced judge in miami now resulted in the taxpayer is footing the bill to build such a facility, just protect just for her in fort pierce we're this will be the only case. it's ever useful. >> it's sort of incredible thing and i'm glad i'm glad you make that point because i don't think a lot of us realized that tomorrow tie cannons going to hear arguments as evan said, three hearings over the next few days, but tomorrow it's arguments for an evidentiary hearing. is this all comes down to a request by trump's team. they want to get jack smith fire, get get rid of ms special counsel. say it's invalid in the mar-a-lago case. so what's really at stake here so nothing really in the sense that the law requires that she validate jack smith's appointment and it's not disqualify him jurisprudence on this goes back to 1988 when the independent council statute, which proceeded special counsel appointments when the independent council statute was fully vetted in the supreme court and upheld the dc circuit has upheld the special counsel appointments as evan pointed out, other district court judges have done it. >> this has been routinely litigated. it's not going to be routinely litigated. mar i mean, the mere fact she's having a hearing rather than just nine emotion has judge shailen pointed out previously on cnn, is it's silly. the fact she doesn't deny most of these motions without a hearing is silly the fact that trump can get a hearing on the flimsiest arguments is shocking. >> but the other thing is more fascinated about tomorrow's. >> yeah, she's she's not just listening to the party's tamara. she's opened this hearing. you to outside pecker's people not even participating in the litigation are going to have a chance to say what say their piece. the worst thing that could happen to her is that she actually does rule for trump on this because that would go to the 11th circuit and then i think this petty partisan from madonna would be putting your place and they would remove her all right. >> petty parmesan petty partisan prima donna alliteration at its best. tai thank you. >> thank you, aaron. great to be with all right. you too. and neck cnn learning brand new details tonight on how 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won a coin toss. so then he had the choice when you want it, you want to pick your podium position or do you want to pick whether you get to go closing statements first or second? he chose podiums and he chose the right side podium not sure why, but that's what he chose. >> and then trump got the decision on who goes last and guess what? >> he's going to go last. so let's go straight to me. j. lee, who broke this reporting, mj. tell me more why. i guess let's start with why the biden campaign thinks the muted mics could be so significant yeah, aaron, it's interesting the biden team has been pretty tight lipped about debate preparations. >> they don't want to give away too many details about their strategy on how they want to take gone donald trump next week. but there is one thing about the debate next week that the biden team is glad about, and that is the two campaigns. agreeing that the mic is going to be muted. suited whenever it is the candidates, it isn't the candidates turn to speak. i was speaking to one senior adviser tonight who was pointing back to the 2020 debates between both biden and trump, especially the first one where i think we all remember there was a lot of yelling and shouting by the former president, a lot of interruptions long-winded rambling answers that some name-calling at times a moderator couldn't even get their questions in. i mean, it was widely viewed as having been utterly chaotic. and this adviser was saying, look, there's no question that voters interests were not served during that particular killer debate. >> and the muted mics could mean that the audience, this time around has a better informed view after the debate about exactly what president biden and former president trump stands for. >> and we know from all of our reporting that showcasing that contrast it's probably the top priority for biden and his team. they want the audience members to see donald trump is this device of chaotic figure and president trump is being the steady and wiser alternative that's how one campaign official they'll put it. and so i think there hoping that the muted mics could ultimately help them a little bit in getting to that goal. >> all right. mj. thank you very much. so let's go now to harry anton here with me. numbers with okay, so year from mj, they're feeling optimistic about this muted mike which is unclear actually how that'll play out, right? but they are positive what about it? does history justify this optimism? >> i'd still like to know why he chose the podium. he did, but either way, the podium over going last, i agree. but whatever i'm sure he has his reasons. >> look, i was thinking back through history. >> i was wondering, okay, when was the last time an incumbent actually, won the first debate and i couldn't remember one, so i went so the polling archives to try and find what they've only been two since 1976. the last one was bill clinton in 1996 before that was gerald ford in 1976 normally challengers when the first debate in the minds of voters, i think that's because oftentimes incumbents aren't really challenged when their un office and now they have to actually remember form president obama, right? he did not do well in his first, he didn't any went back and was like, all right, i'm going to prep i'm anna i'm going to spend some time on this. clearly, he he realized, yes, do well, in that time. okay. so the thing about the mics was when they were open last time it was chaotic as mj saying, however, biden got some punches in at trump because of that, the mike's constantly being open. so let's just play a little bit of what we saw in that debate i'm not here to call out his lies. >> everybody knows he's a liar, but you i just want i want to make sure that you waited lasting your class first thing. >> i want to make sure. >> can you let him finish, sir? >> now, he didn't know how to do that is were senator russia i'm not going to answer the question. >> did that because the question is the question justice the left would you listen? who is on your list? you, this, when you write, gentlemen, i think it's pax6 at that moment, will you shut up, man? oh, yeah. you know that played well for president biden. >> we're not going to see it this time. no, because the mic is kinda gets it could come through the other my i don't know, but the whole point is to avoid that sort of chaos that we just saw there. so who is seen as a favorite going into this debate? this to me as most fascinating part of it, because normally incumbents are seen as the favorite going into the first debate, it was true in 2004 with george w bush was true with barak obama, as you mentioned, 2012, it was true with donald trump by a small margin last time around 2020. but this time around, it's actually the challenger donald trump, who is seen as the favorite going into this first debate. and so that in my mind, we were talking about that first slide where normally challengers over-perform and comments underperformed. maybe this time the bar is so low for biden that he can't help but over prophetic can't help it. okay. and it comes as polls are often summer dead heat, some show biden actually lagging coming into this so hard to judge but what does it debate at this point in the cycle mean? >> yet every single incumbent who was trailing going into the first debate before joe biden went on to lose donald trump last time around, for example, this time around though biden is tied going that debate. but if he looks like ford carter, hw, bush, or trump, bad news. but course this debate is so really, we're just going to have to wait and say it is so early, right? and normally these all happen a little bit later. all right. perry, thank you. thank you. next, the trial of the california ballerina who is accused of donating $50 to a ukrainian charity. it is now underway in russia. we are live in moscow with new details tonight. and the texas democrat, who's taken king on ted cruz, he claims 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us citizen on trial in russia. >> this is cosine of karelina from los angeles. now in a glass cage and your catherine berg amaze me a joule russian citizen, the 33-year-old was arrested on treason charges earlier this year, while visiting family in the us. >> she's a beautification and amateur ballerina accused of donating just over $50 to a ukrainian charity her boyfriend, chris van heerden, issuing a new statement obtained by outfront calling for her immediate release. it's hard to believe, senior, that's been in russia on unable to return to the us for over six months. he wrote, she is an innocent young woman with our whole life ahead of her friends and supporters are hopeful that the russian courts we'll see that prosecuting her resume, a steak and send her home to los angeles. hi, matthew from cnn. you holding up. all right no. >> no questions. but russia is now holding a growing number of us citizens in jail, like wall street journal reporter evan gershkovich, whose trial for espionage is set to start but next week, the 32-year-old journalist denies allegations he was gathering information on a russian tank factory for the cia paul whelan of 54-year-old former us marine, serving 16 years in a russian prison. >> i am innocent of any clinical kidnapping. what us officials say they were trumped up spine charges. >> and also how much shaver a jewel us citizen working for radio free europe, accused of failing to register as a foreign agents. critics accused the kremlin of collecting americans as bargaining chips to trade not every detained american is accused of spying school teacher marc fogel was sentenced in 2022 to 14 years hard labor for bringing medical marijuana into the country, just like to say hi to my mom and dad back home and cheyenne, wyoming, love you. >> have a happy new year. >> and gordon black, 34 year-olds staff sgt. in the us army, was recently sentenced to nearly four years here for stealing money and assaulting a woman believed to be his russian girlfriend yes. there have been prisoner swaps before, like the us basketball star brittney griner convicted for carrying cannabis oil into russia in exchange for a convicted russian arms dealer in the us jail. but the prison of the kremlin, most wants now is this man, vadim krasikov and fsb agent convicted of killing a chechen dissident in a public park in berlin but germany is reluctant to bargain a convicted russian assassin for the american prisoners the kremlin maybe willing to trade if what you want us to do well, aaron, by the united states and russia are tight lipped about the negotiations on the way behind closed doors for a prisoner swap. but earlier this week, a senior russian official, deputy foreign minister, in fact said that the ball is now in the us court. we're waiting for their response to ideas presented to them. the, official continued that. i understand the americans are probably not happy with some of these ideas. but that's their problem. he added all right and i'm not signing that optimistic there, matthew chance. >> thank you very much. live in moscow tonight and as putin has been jailing and targeting american citizens when kosinski cases incredible $50 patient to ukainian charity goes to russia to visit her family and now gets been 20 years in prison for treason. while the republican chairman of the house intelligence committee in washington now is a stark warning saying that the biden administration is quote, sleepwalking as fears grow that putin may launch a space-based nuclear weapon which could unleash devastating consequences around the world this threat would mean that our economic, international security, and social systems come to a grinding halt. >> this would be a catastrophic and devastating attack upon western economic and democratic systems vladimir putin knows this checkmate i've run out of the republican congressmen, mike turner of ohio, chairman of the house, and tell committee and chairman to turner. i appreciate your time. >> so why is it so important for you as you see it to sound the alarm on this right now well the biden administration has acknowledged that russia is developing an anti satellite nuclear weapon, which general saltzman, the head of space forces, said, the moment that this is in space, it would be de zero that we could no longer count on space. we have to assume that even the basic infrastructures in you and i today are utilizing bass financial systems. >> we'd all be at risk. we'd have to look for alternative sources and uses to be able to accomplish what we do through, through space, which will be trillions and trillions of dollars and time that we don't have the administration in saying that they were that russia is developing this weapon. they don't go further into to say what this is. the data's, this. could be on the drawing board of this could be on its way to the launchpad that really distinction does make a difference and i think the administration by disclosing the status can rally our allies rallied and riley, nato. and at the same time then work to enforce what the outer space treaty, which bands these types of weapons to be used because based this is to boast to be used for the betterment of mankind. and this places that at risk. >> so you talk about the distinction making a difference in terms of where it is in development and certainly it does a white house national security spokesman, john kirby, has said directly that putin does not have the active capability that was kirby's words. to do this now and the assistant secretary of defense for for space policy told congress last month, as you're well aware, that the threat is not imminent, do you have reason to believe that they are not being forthright? are that that is not the case because as you say, the drawing board, the idea of this is very different from something that might actually be close to happening they are totally wordsmith the but the reality is that if russia has such a weapon and has the ability to put it into space as the general saltzman space force said, that today zero, that is the threat when they talk of imminent, it's almost as if the administration may be willing to tolerate this to be in space and just try to trust russia that it not be detonated. but really the moment that it's there, we lose that very next day, the ability to have confidence that our infrastructure or economic or social systems like communication systems, yeah, we'll work. >> have you received any briefings, chairman, that would indicate that that they're wordsmithing and that this is a lot further along in the process. are you are you getting any kind of classified in guest, erin, i can't say what i do know and what the briefings that we have received, but i certainly can work in identifying what they're saying. you can see that there are distinctions in there words and clearly by the fact that i'm out there saying the administration needs to address this. imagine this is the gym heim is my democratic counterpart has said this is the cuban missile crisis in space. imagine if president kennedy didn't take the action that he did, europe would not be free today if the administration doesn't take action and this satellite is in space, putin will be holding hostage. all of this space assets of the really the western world. >> so i want to give you a chance now you've talked about your frustrations, the biden white house, and how they're handling it in terms of downplaying the threat from putin though some of the loudest voices come from your party. of course, those who most often minimize as the threat or even echo russia is talking points take a listen here's a guy who who's very savvy, sitting over country sanctions. i'd say that's pretty smart. >> were actually helping china weakening ourselves all to figure out which guy in a sweat suit gets to run crimea war on christianity, the ukrainian government is attacking christians. the ukrainian government is executing priest russia is not doing that don't do those words from all of them, including the former president trouble you deeply well, when you look at what the former president did, i certainly don't have concern about his words because he actually was the first to give lethal weapons to ukraine and certainly increased the european reassurance you should have working with data actually increased nate nato spending. >> i'd certainly the others are reckless and don't have a representation of reality, then this instance though the fact that the administration is acknowledging that russia is developing this weapon, but providing no additional information. the kennedy administration, when they were dealing with the cuban missile crisis that imagine how that would have the outcome would have benefited change history for they'd not stepped up to the plate, was done very publicly that people understood the risks. they understood what the administration is doing in this 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donald trump are not resonating and dante is out front now stunt, i really appreciate your taking the time because it's important for people to hear you're there, you're running for office right now. you've been not working on doors almost every afternoon. you visit churches on sunday as you are talking to potential voters. are they talking to you about trump and are they talking about him as a threat to democracy? >> well, ms burnette, it's such a pleasure to be here with you tonight i'll tell you what i hear is folks are often wanted to talk about what's affecting them at their kitchen table. they want to talk about how their children are going to be educated. do we have good, strong public schools? they want to talk about whether small businesses can thrive, whether there are good jobs available so what one of the points that i'm trying to make is that i absolutely believed that we have got to talk about how extreme the republicans are that are running for office because that doesn't match their voters all the time. but i also believe we got to talk about what are we for, what are we for? what is the positive agenda that we are presenting? and i have faith that we're going to continue to do that so when when you talk about that agenda at the president, president biden has centered dante, as you know, a lot of his reelection campaign on sort of presenting it as an existential moment for democracy that he represents democracy and that trump represents the deterioration of institutions and the end of democracy. >> here is biden trump's assault and democracy isn't just part of his past. >> that's what he's promising for the future. now it says president lincoln and the civil war our freedom and democracy been under assault at home. >> as there are today and, you know, he's he's he's given speeches on this dante. >> he clearly believes in it and he has made it a core of his campaign, tweeted about it again, just today so from what you see, dante is there enough time in the five months from now for him to make take a shift and to start talking really extensively and spend his time on the issues you're referring to yes, i think so. >> and i understand why they're doing what they're doing at the white house. they're trying to set up a contrast because i can't even believe that we have someone that is so corrupt and that is bad for the economy such as donald trump. that is even competing for the white house. but what i think we need to continue to do is we need to continue to focus on what voters want to hear about. and when i go knocking on doors, they're worried about seeing rising costs when you talk to him, what are we doing about it? what are we doing about it? how are we making sure that our small businesses can thrive? how are we making sure that we get gas prices lowered, how we make ensure that their children can be properly educated. there is enough time. i'll tell you when i go knocking on doors and when i'm at churches on sundays, one of the things people tell me is we still have hope. we still have hope. we just got to talk to that hope donte do they when you talk to them do they are they are they the voters who you're talking to? and obviously you're running as a democrat. >> but are they focused on trump? are they listening to his messages as well at this point or now? >> well what i hear is that voters are very turned off by what they're hearing from the former president. it's not as if they're excited about the message that's being presented by the other side. and here in north carolina, we see extreme is just the same when you look at mark robinson and even my opponent back home and wilson county, they understood than that extremists are on the other side. they're just craving, they're craving that we talk about what we're for and how we can make their lives better at the end of the day. this is not about president biden, donald trump myself, or any other candidate. it's about our people and our communities. >> all right. well, dante, thank you very much. i appreciate your time as we said, of course, running as a democrat in stave, north carolina and we also tonight have kfile here with a new report exposing texas democrat collin all reds about-face on immigration. and he's misleading claim, but he quote, stood up to joe biden on the border all right. is now trying to unseat senator ted cruz, the border crucial there he is. of course, he's previously said that building a border wall is racist. but now it seems he feels differently to fix it. >> you got to go after the cartels and fix the border. i sit up to joe biden on the border and to extremis like ted cruz for, for chaos two real solutions in front. >> now, andrew kaczynski, senior editor of kfile of course. so andrew collin. all right. is here. i'm now saying he's going to fix the border but you have found that two years ago, he was saying something different. >> yeah, that's right. an immigration has become such an important issue for voters. oftentimes times pulling ahead of even inflation as the number one issue in this race's obviously taking place in texas, which has borne the brunt of the border crisis. now already has a pretty long history of dismissing the border and border security both when he was running in 2018 and when he was in office, the interest interestingly, didn't even announce that ad that we just played, that they spent several $100,000 so far to run on online, but i want people to listen to what he said in february 2022 about the border i don't hear a lot about the border here in dallas and i'm in a border state and obviously we want to have coverage that immigration reform. we want to try and address some of these things, but it's not i don't think it's a top of mind issue. >> an aaron, what's interesting about that is when he made those comments in 2022, the us was seeing a record number of migrants at the southern border, and that was smashing records from 2021, which had already broken records for migrants coming to the the us at the border, which was again and even way beyond the numbers we saw during the trump years, right? >> so it says if you could say the situation was low at the time, obviously, the facts show that that's not the case so so why the change? i mean, obviously the border across the country, you point out is now a top issue. is that the reason? >> yeah. i think this is obviously he's playing politics and i want people to look at this poll from the university of texas, which showed that from april and it showed that a significant majority of voters in texas who described migrants crossing the border as a crisis. 48% and then 23% describe it as very serious problem but not a crisis. so he's running, he's not running in suburban dallas anymore. he's running statewide and he's got to adjust his rhetoric to what people in texas think is a very serious issue. >> 71% saying a crisis or a very serious problem. that is a resounding number one, you cannot 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stephanie ilan has more now i'm waiting for reports from some of you. >> plenty joking this is mark job heartbreaking. >> i don't know if i love you anymore. and casually cruel contain it this distinct voice and appearance donald sutherland played scene stealing characters throughout a career that spanned more than half century. >> i think of myself as an artist and i take it very seriously sutherland's artistic pursuits started while attending college in his native canada. >> he moved to london in the 1950s to continue studying drama and began landing small roles and british tv and films the success of 1960s the seven the dirty dozen launched the actor to hollywood pretty kernel brady can they fight more military movies followed, including kelly's heroes? >> the times broken on the job, fix it then why the hell i jump it happened them i only right him. i don't want make some work starring role as hawkeye in the 1970s film classic mash acre jewel, find these accommodating, they're quite dry next, sutherland teamed up with jane fonda onscreen, include what else do you remember about the manner pietra? nothing happened. i haven't i haven't reached an off-screen to produce a documentary protesting the vietnam war, america. but 20 millimeter cannons, they're called the rocket pods there about the it personnel fragmentation bombs. and i count well, water buffalo down and kicking sutherland's versatile talent kept him busy and roles ranging from a pot-smoking professor in animal house i won't go schizo. >> willie distinct possibility to a man desperately trying to hold his family together. and the oscar-winning ordinary people, i want to really good picture of the two of you, okay. >> in recent years, sutherland audience of fans became multi-generational when he started as president snow in the hunger games the only thing stronger than fear the afterlife. >> the message of the successful franchise. >> it's an opportunity to catalyzed revolutionary potential and young people and given the menchu world's and that's really important sutherland passed on his love of creating entertainment to a son, kiefer as well as four other children who all work in front or behind the camera when he received a star on the hollywood walk of fame in 20 they 11 sutherland reflected on his extensive career what you're doing at my age is you're looking for your marker and why i am so filled with happiness and joy is because you guys have given me my marker so inspiring to see someone who spent more than half a century doing what they loved. and also giving you hope to overcome fears he this he said that he wants was always so nervous when a movie began shooting that he actually threw up the night before. >> and yet to think of what he accomplished,