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>> i think horizon is all about president biden and donald trump preparing for next week, cnn debate exclusive reporting at each kennedy strategy fires, floods, extreme heat and storms, severe weather impacted millions from coast-to-coast. the man hunt underway in arkansas for a suspect who police say murdered two people in oklahoma plus, he, told them to go after themselves. now, you elon musk has a new message for the advertisers who left his social media platform all right. >> 6:00 a.m. here in washington and here's a live look at the white house. good morning, everyone. i'm on a rod you in for case you it's great to be with you this morning. and seven days to go. that's president biden and donald trump now preparing in their own unique ways for next week's primetime cnn debate there holiest general election debate in recent memory. >> now the last time these two men faced off on the debate stage, it was well, pure chaos with trump constantly interrupting biden and the moderators. this time around, mics will be muted when it's not a candidate's turn to speak, but they're not muted yet here's trump revving up his base choosing the president of taking drugs without any evidence to backup that unsubstantiated accusation is anybody going to watch the debate these going to be so pumped up, he's going to be pumped up you know, all that stuff that was missing about a month ago from the white house what happened? who who left is somebody left it there now for president biden, the debate strategy is simple. >> just let the other guy buried himself what do you think you need to accomplish on that debate stage say what i think with him saturday. >> thinks. she said her off the wall. i want to be a dictator on day one. i wanted to move in a direction where it talks about suspending the constitution. i wanted to share what he says, remind people what he says and what i believe what he believed and we have exclusive cnn reporting this morning about debate prompts for both candidates. >> one, secluding himself at at mountainside retreat with a team of advisors. the other meeting with vp hopefuls working on sharpening his attacks. so let's bring in cnn political analyst and historian leah wright, rigueur, former federal prosecutor prosecutor elliot williams for the white house communications director, came benningfield and land stover spokesperson for noted dakota governor doug burgum is 2024 presidential campaign. all right so before we get into the debate, i don't want to just talk about the state of the race right now. there was a fox news poll out by us last night, and i probably better news than biden has had in really months. he's been trailing this one, had him actually ahead, of course, within the margin of error. so there's really no clear leader, 50, 48. it says here there was a bit but bump with independent voters for biden in the last month or so. lance republican strategist here at the table is biden getting a bump post trump conviction i think national polls are a snapshot in time you're getting a mood of the country in the moment right here on june 20, right? >> and that's what they are think what's more interesting right now is taking a look at what is happening in some of the states and the polling we've seen virginia become a little more competitive leasing trump leading and sometimes winning in nevada, we saw pull from the demoing register this week and granted, it's iowa, there was a 20 point delta that is a huge number. but i also think it's interesting looking at some of the congressional races out there that biden's swing districts so i'm talking to a lot of people on the hill, pollsters and the like donald trump is leading in these districts that biden won in 2020 that have republican members. so i think we also need to look at what's going on both in the states and the congressional races. >> and of course, the states will determine the next president, not natural, but still natural balls do give a mood of where things are in that same poll. kate, it does i'm talking about trump is doing among men and says, he's up about 15. the biden among men. but biden's doing better with people 65 age 65 and older. 15 points i had with women by 17 points still struggling though biden is with rural voters. so how does he improved his appeal to male voters and rural voters? of course, in these wisconsin and michigan, he's going to need them. >> yeah. well, in some ways, i think so. i certainly agree that pulls are just a snapshot in time, but i also think that this underscores that the biden campaign's theory of the case here, which is that as people started to dial in and started to see donald trump, remember donald trump, obviously his conviction, as we've seen in the data let's play to significant part in making him unpalatable to some of these swing voters. but that as people started to die down to the race, they would find trump less and less appealing. and see biden as the viable alternatives. so i think for rural voters, for male voters, i think biden has to continue to draw this contrast on democracy see on the existential nature of this election, i think in some ways talking about the fact that this election is is historic and different because trump represents a threat to the very fabric of who we are as a country that's a powerful message that lands with voters across the spectrum. >> this idea of dilated man is a really interesting one because people have not, i don't think americans have really focused on this idea of trump versus biden. there sort of two individuals that everybody is familiar with on a day-to-day level. but facing them on a stage as candidates in 2024 hasn't really happened yet. now i understand and correct me if i'm wrong, this is earlier than presidential debates typically happen and this is probably earlier than we are used to seeing candidates debating now. so how does this moment or how will it, it's just rhetorical question shift the way the public sees these two people against each other, rather than just an absolutely in this earlier debate, is very much underscores again, the biden campaign's theory, the case that people need to understand and that these two guys are the choice. and seeing them together onstage this early lottery say they don't believe that biden think they still don't think biden is going to be the democratic nominee so there's, this is important for the biden cancer. >> i also think this is one of the things that the fighting campaign has biden ministration has really been struggling with is joe biden's age, even though he and donald trump are essentially the same age. and one of the things that they've done is they have really leaned into this idea of wisdom, of experience, particularly in the face of an existential threat to democracy. and what we're seeing i think at some of these snapshot polls, again, it's way too early to call the race. but what we're seeing in some of these snapshot polls, is that their attempt to one, went over independence on the nature of wisdom and age is is actually playing out quite well. but the other thing is that the biden administration has launched this kind of long-term plan with older voters in it is paying off in dividends i want to point out how again, that american public has made a lot of really a lot of stink about the age of the two candidates. but in particularly joe biden, one of the things that we're going to have to see in the debate is that, that age debate actually doesn't necessarily matter in the way that we think it does. and i still think that at the end of the day, americans are looking at the fact that they have two old white guys that are running and essentially saying, you know what, maybe this is a red herring. maybe we can actually look at other things because the choices essentially age the same if we're looking at and i would just say quickly, older voters are also more consistent voters that young voters tend to capture a lot of media attention. and there's always focused on where young voters going to go, but older voters show up more consistently than young voters. >> yeah i want you guys to weigh in about the debate rules. >> one of them is about the muting of the mics. and let's just look back at what happened in 2020 when that mics we're not muted the question. >> the question is just the rational left. >> would you who is on your list? >> you this when you write, gentlemen, i think pack the court we are not going to give a look so this time around, if you're not speaking or bike will be muted. so lands, who does that give an advantage to? >> this is going to be epic i can't wait. >> i think if you're a political, it isn't going to be epic joe biden has forgotten more about debating the most at this table. lever know he's very experienced, he knows what he's doing setting the bar high. anybody who, anybody who says, anybody who suggests otherwise, it's kinda plain into the biden campaign sandi, i feel like, but at the same time, donald trump is pretty experienced and he has a way of communicating with people that resonates with voters out there. he's going to go out and say the costs are out of control. the border is out of control. and let's face it, those are the messages that are resonating out there. so mike's know, mike's, it's going to counterpoint to the biden being a great debater. cover your ears, came president's sitting presence. have notoriously bad first and those are questions about obama got smoke biden met romney in that first debate, everyone was asking the question, is brock obama done george w bush did not do well on this first one because they're running the country and it's hard it's hard to sort of focus on this new opponent and do that the ligand by trump has not been having any debate. he didn't engage every the primary debates is not been entered, answered questions touristy, right? universal. is he rusty? >> well, we've seen but we saw reporting in the new york times yesterday. he has started to do more formal. trump has. and i think there's also a recognition amongst his team that that first debate in 2020 did not go well for him, and that the interrupting and the chaotic energy was not helpful as somebody who help prep president biden for that debate. i can tell you, we certainly saw that debate did not help donald trump. numbers fell off after that debate because people were people were put off by the angry, uncivil way he conducted himself. but i think everybody was an expectation that that's the donald trump who is going to show up next week. i don't think that's true. i think the while trump is going to show up next week is going to be the most disciplined version of donald trump. i think he knows this is a big stage and you were talking about the mutated mics. i'm somebody who actually thinks the muted mics probably helped trump. yeah. and actually, i always nearly just about to say that will it help trump because it may look be more disciplined and maybe voters like that. i just think that's well democrats agreement with public enzyme that ross democrat all right. next, one of trump's vp foot on are starting to sound yoely similar to the man who hopes to call boss one day plus tropical storm alberto forming in the gulf of mexico and already making a deadly impact. and a manhunt underway for a suspected double murder the most anticipated moment of this election. and the stakes couldn't be higher. the president and the former president, one stage moderated by jake tapper and dana bash to cnn presidential debate. next thursday night at nih live on cnn and streaming on max cities industry-leading global payment solutions help their clients move money around the world seamlessly in over 180 countries, and help a partner like the world food programme as they provide more than food to people in need. >> together, city in the world, food programme and empower families across the globe we're coming together for our 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house of the dragon streaming exclusively on macs doug burgum has been aimed to sound a little like donald trump these days, the north dakota governor are merging is a top contender to be trump's vp pick listen to him, offer up this view of america on fox and see if it sounds familiar under joe biden, were actually living under a dictatorship today, we're, he's bypassing congress on immigration policies, bypassing congress on protecting our border. he's bypassing congress on student loan forgiveness. he means defying the supreme court and those are the things that authoritarians and dictators do lucky, we have someone at the table who knows doug burgum, very well, traveled with them on his campaign work, is a spokesperson for his presidential campaign. >> okay? >> how badly does doug burgum want this job? you don't become vice president by running for vice president, i think you get chosen for vice president based on what you've done. and i think that's if he's in consideration for vice presidents because donald trump sees what a lot of people see is that doug burgum is on a very successful person in his private life and business life and a very successful person is in his governorship. mr. shark tank, kevin o'leary was on cnn last week telling him saying he should be vice president. it's based on all the work that he's done in north dakota and so if he's in consideration for that, i think it's because of all the good things that he's done over the course of his career relentlessly on math but the question is, do you expect now? hi but we're looking at the insider but seriously, does he want it like you'd have to ask him that you should have them on the show for c wants it. so what do you think that he brings to the ticket? >> so i think it's apparent that he brings that the business community loves him. we saw that once he was in consideration, once you missing the mix, that a number of high-profile donors who had been withhold during their support, their surrogacy, even their endorsements, all of a sudden the money starts pouring it. i think there was one large scale several very, very high donation that happened two weeks ago and explore the explicit language around it was well, i want a businessman on the ticket, but i got to say the language that we're seeing now, the rhetoric that pounding the pavement, maybe campaigning for the job. i actually think it's doing the opposite of what trump needs. in terms of or what he's looking for. so on the one hand, we know that who knows what donald trump is looking for, right? it changes with the weather but on the other hand, the things that i think that the governor brings are that kind of financial or business acumen? he doesn't need to remind people about the nir total ban on abortion particularly when that's one of one of donald trump's vulnerabilities with the, with the american public right now right and i'm gonna game, what do you think of what does the biden campaign think of doug burgum, the possibility of them? >> i be concerned that he could help don john. >> i don't think he changes the calculation for them and how they approach trump. i mean, we've seen his willingness to essentially sell his soul and he's not unique in that amongst republicans vying for this job in terms of going out and sort of hedging on january 6 where he's previously had said that it was an awful de, those exact words, but he had said it was not not a good thing for the country. now he's kinda when it gets asked about it, he's kind of hedging so he doesn't really change the calculation for the for the biden campaign, i should say and i think lias point is exactly right. he also underscores some of trump's biggest vulnerability is the abortion piece, for example, i mean, he, he's a he's a doubling down on some of the most conservative problematic, vulnerable issues for donald trump. so i think for the biden campaign, it's sort of like pick him, pick one of the other guys at the end of the day, it's all about trump. does he get it? i'm gonna get it. what do you combine is asking me what donald trump is going to do? >> i'd be on an island living if i can predict that if i do think that's wondering here we go, i agree. i'm not sure it really matters who have donald trump chooses nothing today. i think it's people tended vote for the top of the ticket, but of course it's a hugely significant job and toys, we'll see what trump decides to deal. >> all right. i had dangerous wildfires still raging in new mexico despite heavy rain storms and we're on supreme court watch as the justices prepare to decide on donald trump's immunity claims and more anderson cooper 360 tonight at eight on cnn at morgan stanley, old old-school hard work meets ball, new thinking to help you see untapped possibilities. and relentlessly work with you to make them real its terms day but neutrogena, ultra shear sunscreen is still on the clock. vital sun protection goes six layers deep blocking 97% of 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winds, and flooding to south texas i just you know, we just never been through anything like this before and we're just going to take it one de at the time i immediate are all just at least a rafah tracking it all, lisa, any relief in sight? for texas, some of that rain is dying down a little bit today. but for mexico, we're going to continue to find some of that heavy rain, the storm surge you've got that tropical storm and landfall really imminent within the next few hours 50 mile per hour winds right now, we do have a tornado watch stolen back from corpus christi down towards brownsville, where when you get these kind of outer bands to come in, they're spinning, you can get some week and brief tornadoes. so that's something that we've been watching for on the overnight. this has looked at all the rain that has fallen widespread two to four inches. a lot of totals 46 inches. they're in the orange around corporate his kristie, from some of that heavy rain rock port texas, you got more 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over disorder and also being unfit for office joining me now is seen in white house correspondent arlette saenz and seen a national politics reporters, steve contorno good morning to you. both are led first to you. what is present? is it an biden strategy going into the debate well, money president biden will depart rehoboth beach, delaware a bit later this evening and head straight to camp david, where he is expected to hunker down with top aides heading into next week's debate. >> the ultimate goal for president biden is really trying to paint trump as chaotic and divisive. and he and his visor, as will really drill in on their debate preparations in the coming days, sources tell us it's expected that they will start with some informal discussions talking about possible topics at ways to answer the questions that could come up before a transitioning to more fulsome 90 90-minute mock debates. that is something that president biden has done in many of his past intubate preparations and aides have already started compiling binders of topics possible questions and ways that the president could answer them. the president is known to offer detailed feedback in these types of sessions. now, this debate prep is being led by his former chief of staff, ron klain, his deputy chief of staff, bruce reed, who focuses a lot on policy, has actually been here in rehoboth beach it's what the president. he has been tasked with going through materials of what trump has said, watching hours of tape as they're trying to find ways to counter trump on the debate stage, it is also possible that his, the president's personal lawyer bob bauer, could potentially pay play trump in mock debates as he did in 2020. now there already have been some prep sessions underway and in those meetings, sources say the president has really been focused on finding ways to hold trump accountable on the debate stage, one campaign official saying that biden has been a lot punchier in his tax against trump on the campaign trail. and that is something that they are hoping will continue into this debates. but of course, the stakes for this debate are incredibly high. was the biden campaign who had gone to the trump campaign saying, hey, let's have an earlier debates. they really view this has an opportunity to present the american people, not just with biden's policies, but really trying to offer that contrast with trump as there has been this belief among his advisers that once people start to remember what the four years of a trump presidency was would like that could potentially turn this race. so that's something that they're really hoping to drive in there contracts heading into november in steve trump likes to say, and his advisers like to say that he doesn't really need the bay prep, but there really is debate prep happening with trump at this moment. here's a question for you though, with this being a debate where for the microphones will be muted when he's not speaking. how does that affect trump's strategy yeah, that'll be really interesting to watch me. >> no, because donald trump is not going to be holding the debate mock sessions that the president biden is holding. and he has often said that his rallies are his best practice. for these debates and he will be holding a rally on saturday in philadelphia. now there has always been some disconnect between what the former president's says about his debate prep and what actually happens behind the scenes in the past, for example, he has held debate the mock sessions with, with chris kristie and rudy giuliani, those individuals though are obviously no longer in the picture, did you, chris christie was one of his opponents, who is very vocally against him this, this cycle. so instead he has been held in sort of informal policy sessions bringing in some of the people that he is considering for his running mate, including senator jd vance of ohio so senator marco rubio of florida. he's also brought an individuals like senator eric schmitt of missouri, some former advisors like kellyanne conway, stephen miller, and they're talking the former president through a whole bunch of issues that economy, border crime, abortion, of the wars in gaza and ukraine, and trying to get him up to speed on some of the talking points they expect from president biden and has also been focusing on how a sharpening his responses to how they expect that some of the issues that come up in january 6 as well as these convictions that he is just faced in this trial that has really kept him off the campaign trail and has made it difficult for him prepare for this debate leading into next week. >> yeah, everyone we watch. alright, season cnn's arlette sign and steve contorno. thank you both. and its decision day at the supreme court, although we do not know which opinions the court rule released today's several major cases remain outstanding. they include former president and trump's claim of immunity from criminal no non-prosecution. a battle between the biden administration and idaho over emergency room abortions and a fight over whether january is 6 defendants will face obstruction charges. i panels back. so elliot, the lawyer in the room, while you're at the garden party, lawyer at the garden party, what obviously you're on pins and needles. >> needles. where do we expect from the supreme court? well, we don't know because they could have any number of big hearing opinion released days today, tomorrow into july now, obviously, you've said the january 6 cases is a big one. only insofar as how does the court handle it, they can give a full victory to donald trump and calling him immune from prosecution. i highly doubt that will happen based on how the oral argument met a full victory to the special prosecutor. i don't think that's going to happen either. my guess based on how oral argument when is that they'll send it back down to the judge judge tanya chutkan did decide what which actions of the former president might count as official actions, which ones might count as personal, private actions? which will just in practice and a lot add much more time. yeah that's the whole goal is or the new york times are bad. writes about this is a liberal are bad page for the new york times writing that even if the court rules that mr. trump has limited or no immunity, it is unlikely a verdict will be delivered before the election. i mean, there is the goal here. can i give you a hot take here? of course, isn't matter if the case happens before the election because it matters to voters and i know kate it does for what people care there were about, yeah. it's it's an important issue for voters, for the political system and so on. but we can't graft the legal calendar onto the political calendar. they exist separately of each other. now it happens that individual who's running for president is tied up in a lot of litigation right now. but this idea that somehow courts needed the bend the knee to the political process, i think to me, is it among voters, is that the supreme court is listening to the portico calendar. >> absolutely. and the supreme court has given them a lot of reasons to think that. and i think one of the things that we know is that over the course of the last really 50 years, where the supreme court has shifted from this, we're objective, we are above, we are a political two explicitly saying, actually we don't care right? we can do what we want, who's going to check us, who's going to put us in, who's going to put us in? in under observation or accountability. one of the things that we've seen is that the american public has increasingly lost trust in the supreme court as an, as an incident to tuition. but i think the elliott's point the supreme court is not necessarily a democratic political institution. it in fact is perhaps the opposite of that. and in some cases we do know small day, right? maybe. correct. but one of the things that it does then i think is really important here is that it i think is designed to really exist outside of the political system, even as the actors within it are political themselves. and that's how it's going to play. >> i want to ask just like al even talking about the political calendar versus not political calendar. >> if trump is when some sort of victory here, whether it's as immunity claims are just delaying until after the election. >> that's bad news for the biden campaign, is that not bad news? biden campaign. >> i think look, there should be i would i absolutely here earlier point. i do think that voters deserve to see this case adjudicated before the election because it goes to trump's fitness to hold office. and so i think there's a reason that voters should have this information ideally, yes. the court would here this before and make a decision. sorry, not here, but make a decision before november if it doesn't, i don't think that changes the way that by the biden campaign argues about trump's on fitness. i mean, we've seen in a conviction already obviously in the hush money case, so he is a convicted felon and the biden campaign can say that and is saying that i don't think that it dramatically changes people it was perception of donald trump as dishonest, willing to break the law, frankly, to do what benefits and that portrait of trump is the way that the biden campaign is is talking about. but there are some i don't know that not getting a decision i should back to your question. i don't know that not getting a decision is like in some way devastating for the biden campaign. i don't think it changes the way that they talk about donald trump. >> what do i didn't think i'd come on here and kate and i be agreement not exact, but was publican fear the immunity case, the january 6 case, and the classified documents case. i think it's much more serious than the hush money case. if that were to become a verb, come to verdict before november maybe they'll have a different impact among voters asked me, it just doesn't seem likely at this point that that's going to happen. yeah. i mean, i just not sure that it really voters are kind of baked in with particularly with their opinions of both of these guys. so i'm just not sure yeah. it's let me tell me tell me politically here. >> right. let me add to what i said a little because i don't want to suggest that i live in fantasy land, but the politics don't matter. >> but seriously think about and to kate's point, if there were a question of donald trump's fitness to serve an office, voters had an opportunity to decide on that and 20 please, 16, and chose to go a certain direction in 2020, they had another opportunity to do so, and chose to go a different way. 2021 after january 6, there were many questions, including from republican senators about donald trump's fitness for office. so the idea that merely because the litigation process is playing out on the timeline, that it was naturally supposed to play out on which the things take a long time to get to court. the idea that now voters are at some grade disadvantage based on the legal system. to me is wrong. but again, i recognize that again, this is not fantasy see lawyer land, and we have an election coming off that people really care when i have a feeling that we're not gonna get that opinion today, they're going to lead us to the final weight. and remember, until july, we'll get the number. >> there's there's a firearms a question about domestic violence and firearms, which watch and the fight or domestic violence. one also ties into a hunter biden the adder a little bit because that's the same statute, the abortion case, if there's a lot coming up. >> all right. lot to watch. all right. next, elon musk changed his tune that they're telling advertisers to go f themselves plus a new low and partisan politics wait till you see what one republican lawmakers got caught doing to a democrat they are unpredictable sleeping giants, every 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know just how low some politicians will go these days, take a look at hidden camera video of vermont republican marianne morrissey, pouring water into the bag of democrat jim carol in the state house. she got caught doing it several times over five months. i just over this just offered this apology before the entire legislature i hope jim, legislative callings all of our state house staff, and those who work in this bill and the citizens of vermont can forgive me. you know, after five months of that and it was it was torn, man, who's no doubt about it. okay. >> with me anyway there there's going to be some work to be done between the two of us and say, perhaps not the best it's advice you would give as a political adviser to do that to your political opponent? i don't typically know as feeling yard signs, maybe there's a pretty whereas in dairy way to punk somebody though, like i've never thought to dump a cup of water into someone's duffel bag and i got to proceed kind of innovative. >> i'm just surprised this has not happened in the house of representatives i mean, that we know of that we'd only now that we know that ideas. >> but the hidden camera that it helps you know, it will reveal the what the what happened here. so we'll see if there'll be more hidden cameras. let's say, anyways, we'll say, i want to know what was the hidden camera place to catch her in the act? or was this just a surveillance camera? >> i need to know more about this thing. >> either way, there was a mere culpa offer because obviously there were guilty. all right. yes. okay. turning back now to the 2024 presidential race and next week's highly anticipated cnn debate between former president biden and former president trump over the past weeks, both candidates have been huddling with advisors and fine tuning their message on a wide range of key issues from the economy to foreign affairs, to each other's fitness for office but his new york times reporter, maggie haberman says to cnn, there's one issue that perhaps looms above the rest for biden. they are focusing on various issues that could come up. >> abortion, health care energy covid, and then very specifically in this was one thing that came up last thursday. >> what? but trump will say when asked january 6 related questions hi, joining me now is republican election attorney ben ginsburg? >> ben, so thanks so much for joining me this morning. you specialize in election integrity laws. so what is your advice for president biden, if there is a scenario in which she and trump relitigate the 2020 election results and january 6 he's going to tap into what a reservoir in the country of thinking that donald trump has gone too far in an election integrity and talking about the 2020 election being out there in the country, would you see as a real split between people? and advocates locked into their own camps. >> but with mega adjacent constituency specially in the key suburbs, who think that maybe all this talk about elections, the basic institutions of election russians has gone too far. and so i suspect president biden will appear to those people who believe in their communities, the integrity of elections recognize the importance of accurate elections and reliable elections and don't want their communities to dissolve into a lot of the trauma that we saw in 2020. >> yeah, i look at it as we know, trump has been dealing in this debate prep talking about how to respond to those january 6 question. so i mean, how does trump i mean, given the fact that increasingly he seems to have been almost embracing what happened on january 6, how does he respond when this topic inevitably comes up i think he does what he's been doing all along, which is sort of taken offensive posture. >> he's going to say that the people who went into the capitol were patriots, that the election was unfair. need in other words, the trump rhetoric, without any evidence get up, has painted him into a bit of a corner on what he can say on a debate stage to a very broad audience. and he's going to have trouble pivoting from the message he wants to give to his rallies where people go wild and lied to what sort of americans who aren't part of the writing crew. think, especially the swing voters that several hundred thousand swing voters in six or seven key states. and those people hear the rhetoric about january 6, much differently from the self like the group that goes to trump rallies. >> and i suspect we'll hear joe biden talking about donald trump being a convicted felon. >> and i suspect donald trump will turn around and say, well, you're son, hunter biden, has been convicted of a felony, felonies as well so if when biden gets hit by trump on this, what is your advice on how he should respond? >> well, i think he says that i went through and my son stood the force law accepted the rule of law, and the decision whereas even though you been convicted, donald trump and you lost those 64 core cases around the last election. you refuse to accept the rule of law. that's a basic principle on which this country operates. and you continue to violate it with this inaccurate rhetoric of yours. >> it's during the candidate, during the debate, the candies are likely to discuss abortion, which is a key campaign issue, of course, the supreme court expected to release a decision soon about hospital's ability to provide abortions in an emergency. we didn't really get an ideological answer on the mifepristone question when this ruling was based on the grounds that dark those doctors did not have the right to sue. so what are you expecting in this idaho abortion case? >> i would be surprised if the supreme court dove to the extreme on this. and so i think there will be a similar nine ideological decision on that, but it's the supreme court and whoever knows, but the court i think realizes and has seen the problems of being painted into an ideological corner and how that can take away public credibility from the court's decision. they'll try and avoid that. i think in the abortion decision and as well with the presidential immunity case yeah. so much to watch out for and we know you'll be tracking a bends ben ginsburg. thank you for joining me this morning. >> thanks, man. >> and turning out to the world of tech, we're building elon musk is on an apology tour, sorts, trying to woo back advertisers yes, the same hey, i'm advertisers. he flipped off last november in this infamous moment there was advertisers leaving. >> we talked about by stop you hope. >> don't advertise you don't want them to advertise. >> know what do you mean if somebody could try to blackmail me with advertising, blackmailing with money? herself but go yourself all right, must made those comments after a number of big brands pulled their advertising from x and the fall amid complaints that their ads rubber appearing next to white supremacist content on the platform after met himself, musk himself, spreading anti-semitic conspiracy post now, musk is softening his language and saying this about those remarks. this wasn't to the advertiser to ever advertises as a whole advertisers have a right to appear next to content that they find compatible with their brands that's totally fine. what is not cool is insisting that there can be no content that they disagree with on the platform so i'm no a business guy, but i'd like to get a business major, but i don't remember studying about coursing edge are people are giving you money. >> generally you should not, although you could just do like when i'm texting, i meant to say ducking. and i think that's what he could say. there. i wasn't saying any bad word. i think just hide behind the ai, but now it's hard to like if you're an advertiser, do you go back and it's an open question as to when yes, there might be a business reason for someone to advertise on x. a lot of people look at it, but you're also fueling someone who has contempt for your business. i don't know. >> and there were lots of big brands that pulled from advertising on x last fall, disney, warner bros discovery was our company has seen and of course, paramount's one comcast universal in the light. do you think that they go back? now that he offered this this via kolb loves source, he recognizes he made a mistake. this is still a site. i don't know about you all. i still go to it for news instantly. reporters are constantly putting stuff out there on it. so it's a site about free speech. it's a aside. and look, he's clearly made some mistakes. he is acknowledging that. so i could see advertisers coming it is still busy. again, it's just my free speech that's gotten way more toxic since he took over without question and everybody on this panel and let me know if you and way less usable. i mean, it's yes, people will go for breaking news because there's sort of condition two, i think, but it is much, much less useful product now than it was. it's hard to identify who is a verified user who's putting genuine the content out there and so from an advertising perspective, in addition to the risk of your company being advertised next to really horrific but white supremacist content. >> it's also just a less useful product, so i don't know that the case to go back the business case to go back is astronomically. >> this is a desperation move and so part of this is that the official numbers came out from twitter, for x, whatever we're calling it and it shows that compared to a year ago, it has lost 40% of its revenue. and that's purely from advertisers. so what we have is elon musk going back, he's groveling and saying i'm sorry, i'm going to turn this into venmo or paypal to 0.0. and there'll be lots of different things in lots of different tools. but he has not solved the problem that we're all concerned about in that advertisers were concerned about twitter slash ax is still assess pool. it is not a democratic platform in that idea of free speech doesn't actually exist. and i think there's a little bit of irony, perhaps in somebody like elon musk championing this idea of it as being a platform for free speech, while also simultaneously saying we shouldn't allow people who are woke rate or who endorse dei agendas to actually speak just so i don't see if i'm an advertiser. there is no benefit right now to jumping back in when nothing has changed just to kate's point about it being more or less usable, great personal example. i was looking up for something related to the supreme court i'm just curious. is there a supreme court account and typed it in and there's all these clowns with verified quote unquote accounts. now okay supreme court info, supreme court, this supreme court news that aren't actually the entity, at least in the prior scheme, there was a way to know that who you were hearing from was who you were hearing from the information that came out of them was accurate. now i recognize the need for a quote, unquote free speech, as it's presented on the platform, but it's just, that's not how it's playing out. real competition to this at this point though. i mean, there are a competitors, but no one's really top them, right? in terms of that's the one thing of why advertisers might still go back. yeah. >> but the revenue generation, if you look at that now versus then 20221 $1.4 billion in the first six months of 2020, 300 miles down 40% from the same period in 2022 before must so clearly there are some issues yes. >> i mean, he has he is broken. what was once a successful and prominent business

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