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dress rehearsals and joe biden takes a field trip ahead of the most important moment of this election so far, that's tonight on newsnight good evening. i'm abby phillip and washington for decades, camp david has been a sacred place where american presidents have hosted vips and villains from churchill to putin. but deep in the woods of maryland, it is also the place where presidents have prepared for political survival back in 1980, ahead of his debate with ronald reagan, jimmy carter battled a fake dipper at that very location and speaking of reagan, he did the same in 1984 after his first debate, where he came across as tired and rambling, he started to get questions about his age so when reagan hunker down to prepare for the other debates, the prep helps give birth to one of the most memorable leinz in american political history i will not make age an issue of this campaign. >> i am not going to exploit for political purposes my opponents youth and inexperience in 1992, bush 41 also prepped at camp david did oh, for barak obama in 2012, where he spent days ahead of his final showdown with mitt romney after the first one famously didn't go so well and for the next few days, that is exactly where joe biden will be doing his homework the president's face off with donald trump is just a little more than a week away from tonight, right here on cnn first, challenger and predecessor tonight, we are also learning that trump is hunkering down in debate prep as well. >> except he's not doing mock debates. he's opting instead for policy sessions with some of his vp contenders and supporters and part of those sessions includes trying to find a goldilocks answer to january 6. tonight, maggie haberman told cnn's anderson cooper, this trump is taking this more seriously than people allow publicly, right? i mean, in public, his aides often downplay the prep that he does he's been doing not standard debate prep. he doesn't have stand-ins as of now for biden, they are focusing on various issues that could come up. abortion, health care energy covid, and then very specifically in this was one thing that came up last thursday. what trump will say when asked january 6 related questions? >> trump's, mission to manufacturer a january 6 answer comes as a new poll gives biden some wins in a sale. >> a fox news poll shows a three-point shift in the matchup since may in biden's favor. a big reason, the positive views of the economy they are hitting the highest level of his presidency. so but still for some nervous democrats, the race should not be this close at all. axios is reporting that there are some doubts among biden allies about whether running a campaign on the insurrection on trump's convictions and on his character is a winning strategy 20 be now the former democratic governor of virginia, terry mcauliffe. he's also the former chair of the democratic national committee. and he hosted last night's fundraiser with president biden and with the clintons governor. thank you for joining us. >> exactly great to be with you. >> so there are reports that some biden allies on the outside are questioning if the biden campaign has a winning strategy. do you think that the biden campaign has a strategy that can change the trajectory of this race seems to be that trump right now is favored to win well, listen, i just spent three hours with president biden last night i was at his side at my house with we had nearly 600 people in my backyard and basically about eight days we had the largest non-auditory event the history of the biden campaign we raised about 8.1 million and the place was jammed and we had to turn people away first of all, a lot of momentum, lot of excitement. >> people are unified i think people understand joe biden's message as they heard last night. but listen, i got up and was able to introduce everybody and i talked about the differences and what this campaign is all about. i talked about trump i dealt with him. i was governor during charlottesville when he said there were good people on both sides, wouldn't condemn neo-nazis or white supremacy we had president trump who literally tells vladimir putin that you can go invade natal countries. he tells those military that have lost their lives, they were losers. have a son who was a camp marine corps, i'm the son of a proud army captain that cuts me to the bone and then i talked about juxtaposition. look, standing behind me we've got two presidents combined and really about 11.5 years. these presence created over 40 million new jobs. longest economic expansion the history of our country put nato back together. the present fighting for ukraine wih recently visited those troops, love america, they love joe biden because he put the united states it's out there to protect his fledgling democracy. bill clinton brought peace to northern ireland 25 years. we've had it. >> so i think we continue to draw the comparisons. >> here's what you had with donald trump four years foreign policy tried to run down, nato ran down african countries, banned muslims bear hugs north korean dictator. and what do we get for any of us? nothing. putin yesterday was in north korea getting more military armaments to fight, to defeat ukraine, which is a fledging new democracy. we'll see how that worked out. your donald trump will governor, we've also seen the biden campaign. they put out a lot of money on a new ad that really highlights that trump convictions. sure i heard you talk about the economy there, but is the sense that you're getting that the strongest argument for president biden right now is to remind voters of trump, his convictions, his character is at the message, or is it going to be fighting on x? economic terrain yeah, i think it's a little mixture, evolve it, in your right. >> he is a convicted felon and i remind you the 12 jurors 34 times each 10am said guilty. so 408 times a juror said, donald trump, you are guilty. that is important messages we go we still has got these other trials about mishandling classified documents, putting our military in jeopardy. but i think the big overall message for us and everybody who's watching the show at home is the economy and creating jobs, good paying jobs. inflation has continued to come down, but we still have a lot of work to do. and i give the president credit for building the strongest economy of any nation the world today, we've come out of covid. i think it's that and then i think honestly abbe a big piece this is the issue of democracy. we saw what happened on january 6. and they tried to destroy our democracy. the united states of america. and he wants to pardon all these people. and then you look at joe biden enormity the other day standing up for america, making us proud of who we are as americans and what we represent on the the world stage. so i'd say it's democracy. i think it's about the economy, but we are running against a convicted felon. and let me finally say that the issue of choice donald trump's supreme court is the reason women have seen their rights to make their own decisions about their body being taken away the issue of choice, it's been strong here in virginia. it's been strong over the country women and young people have come out, record numbers trump brags about packing the supreme court to stop roe v. wade. and that's going to come back and people are going to be motivated. so i think all of those issues together, i'm excited. i'm always the ultimate optimist, joe biden is a good man. he's going to win this election earlier this week though. one of the things that we saw, one of the other dynamics in this race is videos of president biden that the white house calls cheap fakes. and we should be clear, we fact check this on the show. some of those videos work deceptively edited, but governor, there are a lot of other videos moments when president biden at looks like he's lost a step to put it the way that some of his allies have so do you think that it is? too, late frankly, to take all of that out of the minds of voters who might genuinely be worried that president biden would be at six at the end of his second term. >> donald trump would be what, 83 all i can tell you is personal experience. as i say, i spent three hours not five inches from the president last night is we moved them around and vigorously, we went around and did the rope lines into dinners and the only family left hereafter, 9:00 at night. i had a lot of discussions with the president, a lot of issues i've met him when he and jill and president clinton and hillary first came in. i spent a lot of time talking to the four of them this president understands what has to be done. i will also say this one. i'm very proud of joe biden. he's got a great team together. he's got a great cabinet. he's got a great staff. so the team of the biden operation has got us first infrastructure bill since dwight eisenhower, a chip bill is i say economic expansion. so it's working let's worry, it's working in american running against someone and those kinds of videos that are out there, whether they're real or not, are they hurting president biden listen, i think people might say, well, what's this video? >> what's real, what's not? i can just tell you. we can put out many videos of mad rantisi that donald trump does. he didn't even know his wife's name. the other de i'm goodness, gracious it i tried to get away from all that abbe honestly, i don't spend any of my time on that. >> i like to talk about core issues that affect work and families every single day. >> and that's what joe biden's don't student loans look at how he's helped so many young people today eraser student loans. so they're not burdened and they can go back about their lives and do things. so we're going to talk about the issue the academy democracy. we're gonna talk about choice, but there's a real distinction of who's going to take this country forward. and people have to understand that. and if donald trump is in office, he would get a couple morris probably a couple more supreme court justices. i mean, i can think of where this country would be telling our biggest enemy today. oh, go ahead and invade nato countries that's sick. i mean, who does that? >> they're going to be on the debate stage together and luck, i guarantee you a lot of the things you're raising, their are going to come up last night on this show. we had to fact-check one of donald trump's speeches already lies. actually, we couldn't fit all of them in the show. there were so many of them and next week, when they're on the debate stage, what's your advice to president biden? i mean, should he be fact-checking donald trump in real time? i should he try to address this stuff before it gets out there and no. >> if he did that abbe, that's all he'd be doing i mean, there's nothing this man's i mean, everything he says, you mean you saw the fact checks from the first four years as present thousands of he just says things that are incorrect. president biden, next week and that debate stage his just got to lay out his vision for the country, talk about the things he's accomplished. but more importantly, where he's going to kick this country next i'm so happy that the mics will be shut off when you're not speaking and you won't have audience members and maga members in the audience screaming and yelling i hope i hope we could get a substantive debate. i don't think we're going to get that out of donald trump, but i clearly know that joe biden is going to spend his time taking this country for terry mcauliffe. >> we appreciate you joining us. thank you very much. >> now, abby. thank you very much. great to be with you. >> in addition to cat hat and mom, kindergarteners in one state will soon need to add thou and shout to their vocabulary lists. and sparking national backlash and the debate over separation of church and state louisiana tonight for saying public schools to post the ten commandments in every single classroom the legislation signed by the republican governor requires a poster to be visible on the wall. it is the first and only state with that mandate now critics, including the aclu say that they're going to sue over this and it's worth noting back in 1980s, the supreme court ruled against a similar law and kentucky calling it flat out unconstitutional. my next guest is a high school history teacher and louisiana who is strongly opposed to this new law jacob newsome joins me. now, jacob, thanks for joining us. >> thank you for having me. >> so even though the governor signed this mandate, it's supposed to start in 2025. you say you're not going to comply with it? >> no, abby, i'm not and if compelled to comply, will be malicious compliance. i just think it is a foolish thing for us to be doing regardless of your background your religiosity or lack thereof, we have issues in the public school system and louisiana, and i just don't really see how posts and the ten commandments is going to do anything to solve any of them when we have real issues of staffing, understaffing lack of resources students below poverty level homelessness and students and so on and so forth. so i'll focus on my students and what they need to succeed in this world. and i'll leave the culture wars as somebody else. >> do you think that this is about you know, scaring teachers with the threat of punishment. more than anything else i think when you look at this previous legislative session, the bills that didn't get through, and then our current legislative session that just ended in a the bills that did get through there's a clear pattern of intimidation by public officials that are quite frankly taking money and support from astroturf groups to push a certain view of what america is and what it should be with things like don't say gay legislation or not discussing gender or sexuality in the classroom outside of the curriculum where these laws, including the ten commandments bill or purposely vague to create this environment where teachers feel as though there are only very specific things i can talk about. >> and they might open themselves up to dismissal or lawsuit if they vitro outside of these lines that are not clearly defined at all. so yeah, i do think that it's really just intimidation tactic. i think it's boolean. quite frankly, yes. >> whatever happened to freedom of speech i mean, i wonder, you know, i mean the ten commandments some people are christian and that is a part of their faith. there are plenty of people who are not. is this an effort to intimidate people? no. failed to push a particular faith on students who are perhaps still developing their sense of self you know, i was raised in a baptist church. >> i was raised to follow the ten commandments and i think regardless of how you feel about the ten commandments nobody would dismiss the fact that they are pretty good set of rules, however, it is a clear violation of separation of church and state to enforce this, regardless of how you write the bill to say that it's historical document are not a historical document which when i was in the committee was the argument being made and, also it's pretty telling when the bill author on committee stand says that they don't care about the feelings of a muslim student or a hindu student in terms of how they feel about having to ten commands post even though that's not their faith wow what a thing to say in this country where freedom of religion is in the constitution, that, that's part of the rules that govern the laws that, govern this land. god, jacob you know, abby, i wish has been hyperbolic about that, but i was in the room where it happened. >> you can even go online and watch the footage from the de of its it's just what the bill author said and i think that more than the actual posting and the ten commandments shows the real intent of this legislation. and also it's just foolish legislation. >> i mean, what's going to happen a third grader is going to walk in a classroom and see thou shall not commit adultery on the wall and say, well, you know, i was really planning on committing adultery today. >> but since i read that on the wall now i'm not gonna do it it's just nonsense we have real issues and i hear you, jacob news, so thank you very much for joining me and best of luck to you in your classroom. thank you. >> thank you, abby. >> and in the state that could ultimately tilt the election, we've got to wisconsin power players who are going to join me live to debate the hottest topic on the campaign trail this week. plus a nuclear alliance, vladimir putin and kim jong un signing a defense deal. so what does this all mean for the united states? and what does it? lean is donald trump wins another term. this is new site beit night in america begins june in 27 good seven you have an excellent warrant warranty blurring ci okay. got it. go. >> you must have american home shield let 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election that both have campaigned there recently, including lasts it's night when trump declared his love for milwaukee after calling it a horrible city, just a few days ago, one of my next guess actually open for him at that rally, but one of the hottest topics between the two candidates involves this state. it's a busted project that now trump and biden have a hand in back in 2017, trump promise that the taiwan-based electronics giant foxconn, would be opening a plant right outside of milwaukee. the company was supposed to invest 10 billion in that plant, which would have created 13,000 jobs in 2019, though, the deal was scaled back significantly down to a $672 million at a promise of 1,500 jobs but now president biden has announced that microsoft will be pouring 3.3 billion to build an ai data hub on the same land as the failed foxconn venture that project is expected to create 2000 permanent jobs and 2,300 construction jobs. as trump was rallying wisconsin yesterday, the biden campaign emailed it supporters about that failed deal. they wrote, this isn't the only time donald trump screwed over workers when he was president. his economic agenda shuttered factories and incentivize companies to ship american jobs overseas all while handing out tax breaks to the ultra wealthy and big companies. joining me now is former wisconsin governor and trump allies, scott walker, also with us chair of the democratic party of wisconsin, ben wikler scott, i'm going to start with you. it is not fine. i failed foxconn deal of vulnerability for trump that at all, microsoft is making that announcement because foxconn provided them with a state-of-the-art facility the reason people like ben and democrats and other allies for joe biden are drawing attention that is, they don't want people to know what i talked on this network about with dana bash earlier this year when we saw more than 100% increase in layoffs during the first couple of months. >> here in the state of wisconsin, when you see 20% increases in prices for people here in wisconsin, just a bucket gallon is a good example. more that people are paying here in wisconsin versus what they paid went down on trump in office and probably worse all 43% increase in the cost of housing, terrible for new homebuyers people like my son and daughter-in-law of trying to buy a home. they're going to pay about $1,000 a month more than their mortgage payments, than they would have went down on trump was in office. so of course, they want to talk about things like this because they don't want to talk about high prices and the absolute failure. joe biden has been for the last four years for people here in wisconsin, whether it's in walkie where it was earlier today racine where i was yesterday are right here in waukesha county where i live tonight. >> i see you ben shaking your head i'm just hoping that because he spent those are his are the facts and the facts don't care about let me let let me let bad in there president biden has said throughout his life that his father told him a job is more than a paycheck. >> it's about dignity, it's about being able to look your kid in the eye and tell them that you know, it's going to be ok. and although president trump and you, governor broke ground with golden shovels on a factory that went up in smoke we actually are right now constructing this ai data center in racing county that will bring thousands a family supporting jobs. and that's the difference between promises like the infrastructure bill that never materialized under trump and delivering for wisconsinites, what you see under president biden thousands upon thousands of manufacturing jobs in the state of wisconsin this is a jobs boom. and president who's focused on fighting special interests to bring costs down, starting with big drug companies. we've already brought the cost of insulin for people on medicare down to $35 a month. he wants to do the same thing for everyone who needs insulin and go to other drugs sides this is a president who actually knows what it takes to get things done and what we've seen from trump over and over is big talk, big promises, and in the end, he only focuses on himself i mean, scott, i hear what you're saying about the economy and trust me, i mean, luck, prices are high. that is 100% true. it's increased partly because of covid, because of inflation however, if donald trump is running on making promises about bringing back american jobs, building plants revitalizing the working class economy, and then didn't deliver on that. i mean, that seems like a problem in a key states like wisconsin well in a state where four years ago, all across america we saw the lowest level of unemployment for black americans for hispanic americans, for women, for veterans. >> those are real numbers. people all the spin in the world doesn't work here on cnn or anywhere else. if people don't see if they can i mean, i just the price and the reality in wisconsin economy was much, much i'm talking about wisconsin much better for you. just wanted to clarify that. >> i'm going you can look at the unemployment the unemployment rate for black americans, for example in the country was lower than under dot-com. yeah all across the board when you talking about it in terms of who is telling governors, let me that they run into their own and trying to give me one second because i want to let i want to let the governor finished his thought and then i'll let you jump in. right well, i'm just saying people don't need me to tell and they can see it when they go to quick trip to fill up their gas tank, they can see it when they go to the grocery store and it costs in two to three times what it costs them just a few years ago, they can see it when they go to get a mortgage payment like my kids are as first-time homebuyers. >> they can see what is happening. like i said, we've got fac object on that comment i made right here on cnn about layoffs here in the state of wisconsin going up more than 100% during the first couple of months of this year. anybody who's telling you the economy's better because the stock market might be ticking up a little bit, just isn't talking to people here in wisconsin and real life americans across the country i appreciate your your view, governor, and everyone is infuriated by high grocery prices, by high gas prices. >> the question is, what are you gonna do about it? president trump is running on a plan to jack up prices he, you can read the project 2025. he wants to give away the store to special interests. he met with oil company executives and told them that if they gave him $1 billion for his campaign, he'd give them whatever they wanted and the opposite is true with president biden. i mean, president biden, unlike president trump, apparently loves wisconsin, levs are our cities and small towns and rural areas. and he's actually working to deliver stuff for people here. and if he has another term, he's gonna go toe to toe with special interests across the board to keep bringing cost down. and we can see that in his record in bipartisan legislation that he has passed through congress and signed into law. trump's big bill was a tax cut for the ultra wealthy and putting supreme court justice isn't who terminated roe versus wade and side against unions and workers at every step for president biden, he walked on a picket line. he signed the infrastructure bill. he signed the law to negotiate for lower prices for prescription drugs and medicare over and over. he's done what he said he was going to do and what he is saying right now is that he's going to stop at nothing to bring costs down for working families and keep bringing those job numbers and those manufacturing jobs up and then let me stick with you for just a second here because we have this new fox poll that's out, that's actually a very good poll for joe biden it shows him a little bit ahead of donald trump, one of the main reasons is because of a rebounding and voter sentiment about the economy. >> and yet, you you see the biden administration also doubling down on trump's convictions on this and i don't want to downplay the democracy argument, but they're running ads about trumping in it for himself highlighting his 34 convictions is that the rights emphasis at this point in time or should they be focusing on some of the economic points that you are making here on the show well, elections are about choices. >> it's about a contrast and on the one hand, we see trump committed dozens of crimes in order to prevent voters from finding out the truth when he was running in 2016, he tried to throw out 100,000 moles blocky votes, and many others to try to overturn the election in 2020. and it conspirators criminal conspiracy. and now he wants to get into the white house to go after the people who he thinks wronged him. it's a revenge campaign. and on the other hand, president biden, who is delivering and talking about his economic record and his continued work to bring costs down bring that economic boom into in ways that resonate for everyone. i think the more people find out about trump, the better it is for biden, the more people find out about what biden has done and plans to do, the better it is for biden and making that choice come into focus is the key the big challenge, if you dig into these poles, it's people who were able to tune out of politics because president biden's not someone who makes you wake up in the middle of the night sweating in fear about what he might have done to side with north korea and 11 to get nuclear weapons. president biden is actually a steady hand on the tiller. so a lot of people have stopped paying he has much attention to the news and the people paying the least attention to news are the people who aren't sure how they're going to vote. those who are paying attention are siding with biden. and so i really think both to focus on biden and on trump all of those things help president biden win reelection and help ensure that we can restore the freedom to access an abortion safely. ugly that we can protect our democracy, and that we build an economy from the middle out instead of just giveaways to the ultra wealthy governor, your response to that? i mean, should voters pay attention, shouldn't they care about the 34 convictions and trump's character? >> what joe biden does to keep people up in the middle of the night is worry about how they're going to pay the bills. that's what people talked to me about, whether it was in milwaukee earlier today, an area that leans democrat racine area. it's toss-up are here waukesha county, which leinz a little bit more republican. i don't care where you're on the political spectrum. the people i talked to across wisconsin states all across the country are worried about the economy we just did a poll with young america's foundation number one issue of college students isn't when anybody would think it's the economy that's because people are hurting. and joe biden's policies are adding to the pain. they want a leader who's going to step forward. yeah, maybe four years ago, there were some voters who didn't like all the chaos then like some of the tweets out there, i think right now, they take all that ansanm just to get back to a sense of economic stability where their families weren't so worried about making ends meet. and that's what they're going to get if donald trump's president for the next four years governor, i mean, you really think that voters don't care about the, about the chaos of the trump years. actually, one of the interesting things in that fox poll, as i do, more than half of them say they care about where your ability in the country yeah. >> i i think many of them tone wise. that's why you saw a slight shift. this is one of the closest states in america, less than 25,000 votes in 2016 and about the same amount in 2020 where the difference, but i think there's a lot of those people that have buyer's remorse because they thought they were getting some sort of stability. they thought they had a unifier. instead, with joe biden, they have one of the most partisan divisive presidents in the history of the country. and someone who is either checked out or doesn't care about how people make ends meet here in wisconsin and across the country. that's what's going to bring them to the polls more than any other issue. and if it's a reference condemn and high prices in the economy joe biden will lose ben i walked today in the juneteenth celebration here in milwaukee. it's a great city like great lake, and it's a celebration of freedom. and what we've seen over and over in 2022 and 2023 in the supreme court race and wisconsin and we're seeing it in special elections now, is that we see it throughout our history, very deeply, is that people will fight for their freedom. people will fight for their freedom to make their own decisions about their own bodies. they'll fight to be able to cast a ballot and have that bad, that vote count they also care about the economy. they want someone who's on their side that's what they have with president biden and they've never had with donald trump. he's, he's a con man when it comes to the economy all talk and no action unless you're a wealthy donor or billionaire like keith, is, that he is. so that really is the twice here. and i think it's a mistake to underestimate how much americans care about freedom, how much they love their country and our highest ideals, ideals that we've never achieved, but we're still fighting for the idea that everyone should count and have ruin should have dignity and equal worth. i think those things are all on the ballot this november. and i think those things are why even in a super tightly divided state, like wisconsin, president biden and kamala harris and democrats up and down the ballot are going to win governor before we go, i should ask you, were quickly approaching the conventions where donald trump says that he's likely to announce his vp pick. who do you think should be his pick at the end of the day? >> i think a proven problem-solver would be a great addition for somebody who can show, you, can, you got things done four years ago. he's going to get things done again. so any number of governors, doug burgum, ron desantis, kim reynolds, done a fabulous job, an iowa a couple of different center does come to mind. marco rubio you look at that's a lot. that's a lot of name there's one there, great avenue for anyone at the top of the number. good oh, i mean, i think as we saw eight years ago, anybody, it may be somebody none of us are talking about right now, but i think someone who has a proven problem-solver would be a nice complement because it would show not just for the next four years, but for for both parties the person we elect is only going to be in for four years. >> and so who his or her running mate or his running mate, maybe a he or she. that's on the ticket. who that person is may very well be the next president four years later. and i think people want to see somewhat donald trump was able to carry the torch and get things done to work out, to look out, i should say, for the hard work can people on america, i think ben and i both duke care about america. i think we love this country. we just have to a dairy different views then in president biden put their faith in the government, me and donald trump and others put our faith in the individual, the family, and god, and that's where you really truly get freedom from scott walker, ben wikler. thank you both very much for lively but cordial discussion between the two wisconsinites. i appreciate it. >> thanks. anything so much. >> up next what will a renewed alliance between russian president vladimir putin to north korean leader kim jong un mean for the rest of the world, i'll speak with an expert about that. >> they are unpredictable sleeping 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broadway play. but green haven correctional facility in new york state is where the latest performance of thoughts of a colored man was staged. the actors, they were all men serving time there and the producer was the non-profit rehabilitation through the arts it's it's a group that brings performing arts and humanities to eight prisons near new york city. and joining me now is broadway play actor and producer kenan scott. the second his play was the one that was staged and he's also producing a documentary about these interesting performances. it kenan great to see you. thanks for joining us. >> thank you. it's a pleasure these inmates, they performed your broadway debut play. >> it's a story about the life of seven black man living in the same brooklyn neighborhood. >> how did this all come about? well now after broadway, my play is now gone on to be licensed. so all rights are available for the platy be done at all levels of theater, whether that's professional non-professional, amateur in high school. so rta reached out to me wanting to license the piece so they can do their own version of the production in green haven and what was it like seeing these actors who are inmates there in a maximum security prison. so these are tough people presumptively learning, rehearsing, performing a work that you wrote it was truly amazing to beyond it's just like i told the guys when i was working with them, they didn't feel like inmates and i didn't look at them like inmates, their talent rivals, any actor i've ever worked with. >> so working with these gentlemen felt like any other rehearsal, unfortunately, of course b was inside of mac security prison, but working with these guys would truly life changing. it was really a transformative situation for myself and it truly was a great experience and seeing these men bring these bring my worst life. if it really meant something special because these guys have a deeper connection with the work, because a lot of these guys are from the same neighborhoods. i'm from yeah, i want to read what you wrote on instagram about this and the documentary that you're making about the staging of this play. he wrote since the age of 14. i've had at least one or more friend of mine be incarcerated. the american prison system forces you to ask yourself do, we truly want rehabilitation or not? can you tell us more about that? i mean, is this a vehicle for rehabilitation? >> i think it is if you look at the statistics for rta, only 3% of the incarcerated individuals that part taken his program actually returned to prison once they get out. that's almost 100%. so if there's no other telling sign than that, there truly is power in theater, in storytelling in true programs that really help individuals to rehabilitate. so i think that's very important and i think this is a start. of course, it's not the end-all be-all. this is not the final answer, but i do think programs it's like this truly do have the power to change. >> and what are these inmates as you were going through this process of making this documentary, what did they tell you about how this particular work connected with that? >> it was different for them. we come from the same neighborhoods. i'm from the projects and queens. so these guys truly related to the experience that i wrote in his piece. we all have a shared experience, not only just being black men, but also being new yorkers. so a lot of us have the same origin point because we come from the same community. so unlike other production, they might have done in the past, this piece really spoke to them because this piece truly is about the shared experience of lack men in america. so this piece touched them in ways that other pieces that they've done before haven't can you give us a sense of what some of these inmates are in for? i mean, are some of them facing long prison sentences? i know you talked about this program it's showing that many people are rehabilitated, but the ones that were participating in this play, what are they facing? >> absolutely it's very heart-wrenching and it was it was saddened to find out that a lot of them do have a lot of time. this is a mac security prison, so a lot of them are facing ten plus years. the great thing is a few of them will be out soon depending on different cases and such. but these men are facing a lot the time, unfortunately all right. >> kenan scott, the second. thank you very much for joining me i appreciate it. >> thank you and thank you for watching newsnight, cnn's coverage continues right after this the crown will pursue victory at any cost i did not think they would be so eager to die house of the dragon streaming exclusively on macs what the role term everyone comfortable. yep. there's plenty of space i gave me gun logo. >> don't know just wait. them. bag, an atlas with three rows and seating for seven, everyone wants arrive okay? he gave him and see despicable me before and theaters july 3, rated pg. >> well, 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