pact and added support for his war in ukraine. >> we're going to look at what kim jong own got out of the trip for north korea and a broader impact for both of their adversaries fire and floods. >> while the east bags and the west coast with wildfires that are torching hundred grids of buildings and forcing thousands of people to flee in texas. problem is water and they tropical storm do to make landfall here in the next 24 hours and remember i'm bringing the incomparable willie mays, the iconic baseball player who may have been the greatest to ever play the game. we're following these major developing stories and many more we're all coming in right here to cnn news central we begin this hour with pomp and circumstance in north korea as vladimir putin and kim jong own looked a strengthen their alliance the russian president just wrapped up a rare visit to pyongyang, his first trip there in more than two decades. >> he was met with a lavish ceremony that included a military parade and a ride in an open limo while thousands of north koreans line the streets waving flags and chanting welcome putin by the end of the visit, the russian president and his counterpart had signed a strategic partnership agreement pledging to help each other if their countries are attacked putin says the pact with north korea will take relations between the two countries to a quote, new level cnn chief global affairs correspondent matthew chance is following the story live in moscow. and matthew, we haven't exactly seen the language in the text in a way that's clear. some of it seems ambiguous yeah i mean, we will have to wait to see what the text says. get a translation of it, really have a look at it, but it looks like this strategic partnership treaty, which was the centerpiece of this very dramatic, it colorful trip by president putin to pee on get yang, which was highly choreographed. >> it looks like it could be really significant and it could mark a really new and potentially dangerous phase of cooperation between moscow and pyongyang between russia. and north korea. it's obviously going to have a security dimension. we don't know what that's going to involve, but in the past, us officials have accused russia of taking millions of rounds, artillery rounds, mainly from north korean factories and using them on the front lines in ukraine to help them sustain that very heavy bombardment. that's been underway now for some time, on the part of the russian artillery it's unclear and it's of concern what north korea will get in return for continued cooperation in that regard, it needs help on its ballistic missile program, its nuclear program as well. both those programs have been a thorn in the side of the united states and its allies, particularly in the region, could destabilise the korean peninsula. the other big thing though, is what vladimir putin point out, put it out, which is that this new treaty, it basically has a mutual assistance treaty, so much like nieto's article five, it won't country's attack. the other one must go and help. now we don't know whether that means attacks on russia of the kind we've been seeing in western russia by ukrainian forces with drone attacks, et cetera. whether that would be a motive to invoke the that clause in the treaty. and whether north korea could somehow become more embroiled than it already is. in, in russia's war, it's what it calls its special military operation in ukraine, porous. >> so matthew, what exactly is in it for north korea when it comes to security and em technology, because that was something that putin specifically said was part of the deal yeah. >> well, i mean, north korea needs so much. i mean, it needs food, it needs energy. but as i mentioned, it's got that, that ballistic missile program, it's got a space per kilogram, which it's had some problems with launching launching military satellites into space. and he's got a nuclear program as well. now, the kremlin has said that it hasn't even been asked by pyongyang to provide nuclear technology, for example, and some of the most sensitive military technology. and i think the assessment is by apple side observers that russia would be very reluctant to give north korea the most sensitive military technologies that it would benefit from. but nevertheless, north korea has a strong bargaining position at this point russia really needs that ammunition and pyongyang is going to drive a harder bargain as harb bargaining as it can. boras matthew chance reporting live from moscow. >> thank you so much. briana. >> let's discuss this now. a cnn military analyst and retired air force colonel cedric leighton cedric, north korea, obviously already believed to be supplying russia with missiles and ammunition. so what else does north korea have to provide here? yeah, so that's gonna be really interesting, briana, because that's right about 11,000 containers worth of munitions have but generally reached ukraine from north korea. >> so what else could there be? there could be personnel in the extreme case, you could actually have north korean troops potentially help the russians either there in a backfill capacity where they support them from the back and not on the front lines. but the other part of it could be that they would provide logistical support right? that they could provide perhaps equipment from their train service those are the kinds of things that they might do if russian planes break, for example, even though the north koreans have very limited aircraft perhaps they would use one or two north korean aircraft all of those things are possible. we don't know, of course the text of this, but that's the kind of thing. then you would expect them to do. but the other thing that they i think we'll do is provide labor support for the russian labour force. there's a civilian labor shortage in russia and now that russia is on a war footing, on a war economy footing there will be north korean workers, even more of them working in russian armaments factories and in other areas of the russian economy that directly support the war effort. >> that's really interesting there are entering into this strategic partnership where if you're attacked, i'm going to come to your aid. how do you see that playing out well, there's one historical precedent that would be the korean war. >> so the russians supplied the careens, the soviets at that time supplied the north korea the ends with a lot of manpower they used fighter pilots, russian fighter pilots, to actually fly north korean jets during the korean war. so there would be the possibility of that happening in reverse where the north koreans come in and do something like that. if there were to be a shortage of russian pilots, i don't think that that will happen, but that's an extreme scenario that's possible the other thing of course, if something were to happen on the korean peninsula, then you could see the russians aiding in that way once again. and so then it would be the history repeating itself, or at least rhyming. >> there's a new report from the stockholm international peace research institute that the nine nuclear states, which of course includes russia, north korea, and the us, they're continuing to increase their nuclear arsenals right now, is these geopolitical tensions are growing. how do you see this moment and the threat here? >> well, it's a huge threat because the non-proliferation regime within the whole nuclear concept that has really governed the world since the fall of the berlin wall all of that has, has an essence stop. and even before the fall of the berlin wall, you hand relationships the us head with the soviet union and they made some sense, they resulted in the reduction of arms all the start talks, for example, is strategic arms reduction talks were extremely important in doing that, of course, they didn't eliminate nuclear weapons, obviously. but the proliferation regime, which has had its problems is now i would say completely dead at this point, and we are watching live pictures here of putin having a rule arrived hi there in high noise, which is the next stop following north korea will continue to look at his visit. obviously, it's very important at this moment in time. as we're watching developments in the ukraine war, cedric always great to get your insights. thank you so much. good briana for us we're also learning today that russia has sentenced an american soldier to nearly four years in a penal colony for theft and threatening murder you have staff sergeant gordon black was arrested last month on accusations of assaulting and stealing a bit more than $100 from a woman believed to be his girlfriend russian state media reports that black partially admitted to the theft, but not to the charges of threatening to kill her. >> cnn national security correspondent, kylie atwood is following the latest from the state department. so kindly, what are us official saying about this case? >> well, less than there were us embassy officials who were present at his sentencing curing today. that's according to a state department spokesperson. but we should know that the state department, the us government, has not deemed gordon black this us soldier to be wrongfully detained. and what that means is effectively that they are not fighting this sentence at this time. they're not proactively working at this time to make sure that russia immediately releases him. will watch and see, of course, where that goes. of course, they continue to very closely look at the case of all americans who are detained. and then of course, sentence as gordon black has now been to prison time in russia, we should also note that a state department spokesperson said this when we asked him about the case that as a general practice, we do not share information with the media about private us citizens absent. third, the written consent. we reiterate our strong warnings about the danger posed to us citizens inside the russian federation. us citizens residing or traveling and russia should depart immediately as stated in our travel advisory for russia. now, speaking today, as you said, in that courtroom, according to to russian state media reports, gordon black denied that he had actually threatened death on the woman that he was dating, who he traveled to russia to see. he did say that he took some money out of her purse, but the next day he paid her back. we'll watch and see. of course, where this goes. but the backdrop being that there are two americans who are wrongfully detained in russia. of course, paul whelan and evan gershkovich last month when this us soldier was arrested, paul whelan spoke with our colleague jennifer hansler and while he was a bit more optimistic than he has been in the past about us efforts to secure his release. he also said that he was concerned about this case, this arrest of this us soldier potentially complicating those efforts kelly, i would live for us 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intently looking at what black voters will be doing in the near future president biden has worked for weeks to shore up their support, which has been wavering according to polls with us now is cornell william brooks. >> he's the former president of the end of lacp, also an attorney reverend and professor at the harvard kennedy school cornel. thank you so much for sharing part of your afternoon with us. at this point. it's not just one poll. yeah, it's a series of polls that have president biden performing better among black voters and just about any republican candidate and decades it's a concern that the biden camp is taking seriously how do you think that trump is winning over those voters well i first like to note here, doing better than any republican nominee in decades does not constitute a majority of the black vote. the majority of the black vote is overwhelmingly with president biden and i think it's important here to contrast pictures and numbers by pictures. we have president, former president trump appearing in a black shirt without live people giving the appearance that blind people are in fact political prompts in a photo-op contrast that with president biden speaking at morehouse college, the alma mater of martin luther king and julian bond, i contrast the numbers that is to say from moving his support among in the black community in states like pennsylvania and michigan up from the single digits to yes to double digits, but low double-digits. the point being here is these poles at this point showed some volatility with do not constitute a testament to the popularity, if you will. >> former president trump among african americans that's absolutely true, though, for the biden team with margins in certain states battleground states being so thin. if trump gets close to 20%, i mean, that would be catastrophic for biden's reelection hopes. so how do they turn that trend around? >> i think it's incredibly important having the nwa cp and having led voter turnout efforts, it's important to focus on, yes securing the support of the black community, but also ensuring that that support translates into votes. so in other words, president biden is competing not so much with trumpism, but the prospect of absenteeism, which is to say he has to make sure that the black vote turns out by making a solid case for the blockquote, not just what he has done, but what he will do in a second term. for example, what will he do with respect to inflation? bove you do with respect to voting rights and for police reform and all of the issues that animate and inspired black vote. then another, unlike those issues that inspire everybody else in terms of turning out to the polls and casting the ballot. he's got to make a hard case but what we have seen is that he is showing up. >> he's invest thing in terms of a media and his appearance in black community. >> but ultimately is not merely about what he has done. >> it has to be about what he will do and they've been trying to make the case yeah. i do want to get your thoughts on news out of chicago. this week, the city's launching a reparations task taskforce that would explore and propose how to compensate black residents for historically racist and egregious policies you actually recently conducted a study on reparations. i'm wondering what you found and what your reaction is to this news sure. >> so on this day, juneteenth, we were celebrating the liberation of the emancipation of 4 million african-americans following slavery what we have found in our research is that in a sense america does a form of reparations every day for people who had been harmed, either physically harm, harm in terms of economic distress, harmed in terms of the health care system, the banking system. >> and that these reparations are what we call repertory compensations. >> in the main are four non-racial harms and benefit white citizens. our research shows that the government actually has the expertise, the experience, and the resources to address mall unaddressed racial haunts in this country, which chicago is endeavoring to do, what states are endeavoring to do is important but as far more important that the federal government assumed the responsibility of repairing america's and responded to unheated, unaddressed racial harms that we can do. >> we can celebrate the holiday, but also make amends for the past is we embrace the future as you might imagine, there's going to be intense resistance to that effort just outside of chicago, evanston, illinois is getting sued for offering cash reparations to black residents how do you anticipate these efforts might survive legal challenges? >> and what would the implications be nationwide? >> so here's let us consider this, this country has always possess the capacity under the constitution to address wrongs and attempt to make them right so for example when japanese americans were incarcerated after world war ii, are doing world war ii this it's country provided reparations model rest, modest reparations for the desperation deprivation of liberty. >> in other words, it is not illegal, is not unconstitutiona l to make a role right by remedy the wrong lawyers do this every day through the courts, the country can do this. for example, we've done this terms of african americans. >> i should not african right, because we've done it in terms of betts, who serve their country. >> we provided the gi bill when pensions in this country are threatened. this country will ensure the pensions and save the pension funds the point being here, there is nothing illegal, nothing unconstitutional about responding to an unconstitutional wrong a racial wrong, and attempting to make it right. >> so rights lawyers do this every day and this country can do it. >> and let us know if this horse i think is really important. reparations are actually supported by a majority of young people and an increasing number of americans. >> and our research shows that we can respond and reparations because we have the resources. >> we can respond because the government is actually skilled. if you will, an experience in terms of addressing harms and we can make because holiday more than just holiday in which we celebrate with barbecue in with food and with festivities. the holiday in which we recognize and heal and respond to america's rachel arms cornel william brooks, we have to leave the conversation there. appreciate always good to be with you thanks row, cnn special programs celebrating juneteenth errors tonight the recently established federal holiday marks the day that union troops notified enslaved people that they were free more than two years after the emancipation proclamation, cnn's victor blackwell caught up with singer and activist john legend on why he's making his work on social justice. >> part of his legacy john, you could sing release music and then go home. yeah. and not do the work what compels you to engage and do the 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officer was charged with moles double crimes, january 6, walkers through the arguments on both sides. >> oh, okay. this is one of those areas where common sense is like, is he guilty or not? but lawyers have stepped in and are going to gum it up a little bit. it's complicated. so the law he's charged with and frankly, donald trump is charged with as well, says, whoever corruptly, that's an important word obstructs, influences or impede deeds an official proceeding. now the question is, how do we read the word corruptly and how do we read a word that appears elsewhere in there otherwise, and those are really what the supreme court is picking apart here. the question is, and you talked about this a little bit back when this was written. it was in the context of sarbanes-oxley, the financial fraud law, many years ago and the question was, is this just about tearing up evidence and tampering with evidence or riding and and obstructing an official proceeding. and how does the court read it now, the argument is that this is the argument that the defendants pushing that the prosecutors are pushing too far here and stretching the law far beyond intended to be a justice. >> brett kavanaugh asked one of the litigators in this case why the laws that were already on the books for things like assault warrant enough because it's really only about 50 rioters that we're only really charged with this right now there's a few different, there's a few different answers to that. >> well, this wasn't an act of assault. if if prosecutors are charging the act up, getting in the way of congress when they were counting ballots. that's not assault, that's obstructing an official proceeding and common sense. and this is what the justice department is arguing. common sense would dictate that well, they obstructed the proceeding. it doesn't matter letter that the law itself was written only for financial crimes. read the language, otherwise, obstruct influence germ peanuts. and so that's where the justice department's going with this food 50 people have been convicted and sentence four only obstruction. >> if the supreme court finds in favor of joseph fischer here, then what happens with these conventions? >> they could. now the problem is that each of these people might have been convicted of different crimes now, there if the law is overturned, these convictions could be thrown out on that specific charge. now, all the other things that these people were convicted of, if they were charged with assault or trespass or any of the other things i could go away, but it's an important case for that, for that reason how does this potentially impact former president trump's case? >> because as you noted, he's also being charged at this, right? >> absolutely. so he's charged with a few two other things as well conspiracy against the united states being the big one, conspiracy against rights, a civil rights stars. but this could make his particular charge for obstructing an official proceeding go away. it could it could be tossed out. now, it's just not clear what the supreme court is going to land on this. like i started by saying, it's one of those lawyerly depends on what the definition of is is and the supreme court is going to write an opinion on the definition of the word corruptly or the death of the word. otherwise, it's just confusing in that sense and just really quickly we're waiting on immunity. how do you think the court's handling these two things together? my why and how they're handling them together. my guess is that the supreme court sends the immunity case back to the district court, the trial court dip too. issue more rulings about it. it'll take more time, but this report loves to do that, not make a decision. make the lower guys deal with it. >> the love deciding by not decided, decided is a decision to not decide. yeah, by the way, elliot williams. thank you so much. >> all right. i want to turn now to significant moment yesterday on capitol 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things that made it interesting for us is that half of our team was the cargo cub fans and half of the team which the cargo white sox fan needless to say, my birthright being on the south side of chicago white sox fan in that same token, whenever the san francisco giants came to chicago to play in wrigley field, we made certain that we made our journey in that direction. willie mays is impact on me was in multiple ways. one of those being the fact that he had power. you could hit home runs but he also had amazing speed he was like an antelope when we saw him grace wrigley feels grain iv another thing that fascinated me about him at the time and looking back on it, but didn't know it he was an emblem of our young manhood at the time. yeah, i think that's so fascinating and i, i think listening to the willie mays fans today. and for you, i imagine this is true as well that it is bringing back memories of how it made you feel to watch him tell us about how it made you feel well. again, seeing him play in person at rigueur, feel one of the things that stuck out to me was his scale, not only in the outfile playing as soon feel, but how he made it look so easy in one of the things that always stuck with me and it's certainly stuck with my childhood friends when we played baseball. was that amazing basket catch. and man, when we would leave that ballpark and go back home, we went right out to the ball feel and became even reinvigorated with the level of talent and feel that he displayed out there on the field the degree of difficulty on that catch, essentially a no look, catch right in front of them. it's i mean, it's historic. right. and that's why we keep playing the clip. i want to play another clip for you. this is willie mays talking to larry king on cnn in 1988 about a moment in his life where he faced prejudice. >> let's listen i want to tell him i had a problem with us hagerstown, maryland i had a very, very price die on a friday afternoon and they call me all kinds of names but by sunday, there was all clapping because i just killed everybody it's so funny the way that he describes that james what do you make of willie mays legacy outside of the baseball diamond? >> well, one of the things that stands out again to me and i'm sure you all are aware aware of this incident the infamous incident when the sampling francisco giants play the dodgers. and won march jail got into a tiff with john rose borough and the thing that stuck out to me about that was the compassion that willie mays head immediately after that incident, he helped to escort roles berle to the locker room so that he could be taken care of and i thought and i still look back on that as this is one great human being right here, he can be a competitor, but at the same time, he was compassionate and he was a human being. >> yeah. i think that's what everyone's sort of missing today and is on their minds he began with the birmingham black barons when he was still in school. you want to play on most of his career, of course, with the new york and then the san francisco giants just put into perspective what that rise through baseball would have been like at the time well, i suspect it would have been grueling, but based on what we know collectively about the major leagues at the time this guy had to demonstrate not only a level of scale a level of competence, but he also had to have this understanding that he had to be resilient at all times because i'm still as he traveled across the country playing in various baseball stadiums, there was probably some level of hostility toward him early on. >> but he wanted them over just as lead he'll do are supported out that this guy was going to be one of the great ballplayers of all time absolutely. >> and james just want to point out, he's wearing that jersey. james brunson. we appreciate the time, sir. thanks so much for being with us. >> thank you, sir. i appreciate it. >> of course. they would sit and we're back in just a 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