outside the courthouse in wilmington, delaware, and haven't used spoke with juror number ten. tell us what he told you that's right. jake, juror number ten, who we spoke to with without showing his face. >> he was concerned about his safety. one of the things he told us was that very quickly, very, very very early in the case. he had a pretty good idea of where this case was going, but he said he wasn't 100% sure on tv, heard all of the evidence, listen to what he said was with the crucial part of the prosecution's case when you look at the form, are are you a drug addict? >> are you an unlawful user of drugs and he said no clearly he lie jake? >> there was five days of prosecution evidence, mountains of evidence, overwhelming these jurors trying, to drive home the point that he was addicted to drugs and the defense really tried to focus on the days around when he bought this gun in october 20, 2008 ten and it's clearly that did not really make an impact for these jurors. we also asked us juror about the idea that politics could have played any role in this case. we say this is the first time the son of the president has been on trial for any criminal violation. and here's what he had to say i would tell them hunter did get a fair trial politics played no part in this whatsoever. >> we were not allowed to talk to anybody, not even are families not even the durer's. we cannot talk about the case until it was actually given to us yesterday. now that i look back on and nothing was met mention anything about the president of the united states jake got the idea that hunter biden has there are so many family members, including the first lady, the juror is notice that, but they didn't talk about it. >> they didn't even discuss it within themselves when they got to this to this to the jury room, he said that this was a decision that was pretty unanimous fairly quickly, given all of the circumstances that they had to deal with here alright. >> having patterns with the breaking news and wilmington, delaware. thanks so much. boron breaking news this in our world lead hamas has responded to the latest proposal for a hostage and ceasefire deal, and hamas has rejected it. cnn, political and foreign policy analyst barak ravid is breaking this. did hamas barak give any explanation for its rejection? >> hi jake. so first hamas did not say that it rejected the deal hamas said that it gave response to the qatari and egyptian mediators that it gives several comments and remarks on parts of these rarely proposal israel, the israeli government, israeli officials are the ones saying that after they received hamas response and analyze it, they treated as a rejection. i think we still need to hear from the mediators and most importantly, from the white house that white house spokesman john kirby the dwight is still analyzing and studying the hamas response. so hamas is saying it just gave few comments israeli saying hamas rejected the deal. the white house still hasn't said anything of substance. i think we should wait and hear more what the white house says, what the qatari say, and what did so us officials say that they believe hamas leader yahya sinwar feels as though he has the upper hand and then negotiations this after a wall street journal report that says that the messages that they've seen from sinwar show that he believes hamas is benefiting from the civilian death toll of palestinians in gaza. is that similar to what you're hearing from officials in israel and the united states and elsewhere so these were any set for a long time that sinwar, that there's a big gap between sinwar and hamas leadership. hamas's political leadership in qatar that sinwar was much more hard line and what, what i heard from us officials in the last few weeks is that because sinwar thinks that as the war goes on, israel would be more under pressure and the us will put more pressure on israel. this is why they tried to mobilize the international community to support president biden speech, including the security council resolution that passed yesterday that the button demonstration thought that if sinwar cares so much about the international pressure on israel may be when he sees the security council resolution, you'll have second thoughts on where the international pressure is directed. >> maybe understand that he is also under pressure. >> and not only these values all right, barak ravi, thanks so much for that reporting. last night in new york city, outside and exhibit that memorializes the 364 innocent victims hats the nova music festival who were slaughtered by the terrorist. if hamas a group of anti israel protesters, many of whom could be accurately described this as pro-hamas, set off flares and smoke bombs and chanted, there is only one solution intifada revolution. they also displayed this flag celebrating the october 7 attack, which slaughtered more than 1,200 is israelis and others, new york politicians ranging from house minority leader hakeem jeffries to governor kathy hochul's condemned the celebration of the slaughter of jews with even israel credit congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez, calling the protest and the display atrocious antisemitism but hamas and hamas supporters, callousness about the death of jews is not particularly new, nor is it news what might be is the stated callousness about the death of palestinians, necessary sacrifices is how hamas terrorists leader yahya sinwar describes the deaths of thousands of gazans, his own people theoretically, this according to messages viewed by the wall street journal, which shed more light on how sinwar may be influencing a potential ceasefire deal. despite the fact that he's been in hiding ever since hamas attacked israel on october 7. the cnn's oren liebermann examines the messages and what could come next in ceasefire negotiations in an all-out push to stop the fighting in gaza, negotiators are hoping for elusive success the focus is on yahya sinwar, hamas, military leader hasn't been seen in public since the start of the war hiding somewhere in the bombarded enclave. but sinwar may believe he has the upper hand we have the israelis right where we want them. sinwar said in recent messages to hamas officials viewed by the wall street journal. sinwar is leaked messages which cnn hasn't seen and cannot independently verify shed light into his mindset during eight months of brutal war. according to the palestinian ministry of health in gaza, more than 37,000 palestinians have been killed in israel's assault on the territory in one message to hamas leaders in doha, sinwar wrote, these are necessary sacrifices. the israeli military responded on social media saying, sinwar profits off the deaths of gazan civilians hamas leaders don't care about gazans. how many times do they have to say it for themselves before the world believes them? secretary of state antony blinken in the region to push a ceasefire proposal aimed his message directly at sinwar while the people that he purports to represent continue to suffer in a crossfire of his own making or will he do what's necessary to actually move this to a better place to help end the suffering of people to help bring real security to israelis and palestinians alike. >> sinwar spent more than two decades and israeli prisons convicted for playing a role in the murder of two israeli soldiers and four palestinians suspected of working with israel. he was released in the 2011 hostage deal for israeli soldier gilad shalit and rose to the top of hamas israeli journalist shlomi el dog says, sinwar is assent was marked by his brutality. >> this is sinwar and life and therefore him is nothing. as many palestinian were killed by the idf. the more pressure from the international community believed to be the mastermind of the october 7 attack messages suggests even sinwar was surprised by its atrocities things went out of control. you wrote early on, but sinwar soon doubled down on the war in a message to hamas's political leaders in december, he said, we have the capabilities to continue fighting for months secretary of state antony blinken is still in the region. he's met with jordanian officials, egyptian officials, israeli officials, and soon he'll meet with qatari officials. problem jake, is that it's not clear any of this has the intended effect which is trying to put pressure on hamas. and you see it there in the messages viewed by the wall street journal from yahya sinwar that's where the focus is because he is viewed as the decision-maker and perhaps the soul decision-maker, even if he's out of touch with hamas's political leadership sitting in qatar not demands and habits that's with what the people in gaza want him to do. oren liebermann, thanks so much. we're going back to the other big story this hour. today's guilty verdict and the hunter biden gun case. how many republicans are now? 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>> well republicans in a bit all over the map on this, jake, some of them have said that, that frankly hunter biden should not have been prosecuted over a gun charge given their views of the second amendment, others said that this was their own case was overwhelming and he should have been prosecuted in some align themselves with donald trump's messaging, suggesting that perhaps the issue is it's a distraction from their larger concerns and contentions over joe biden and his actions. i asked the speaker of the house mike johnson whether or not this undercuts the republicans long-held claims of the justice department goes after republicans. and let's democrats off the hook but mr. speaker, you've been saying two tier system of justice for some time. here's the president sam being victim on three counts as that undercut your claim. >> it doesn't every case is different and clearly the evidence was overwhelming here. i don't think justin case in the trump trials and all the charges that have been brought against them have been obviously brought for political purposes. a hunter biden as a separate instance now, republicans in the house are indicating that they're still pressing head and trying to investigate joe biden, even if there's tried for months and months it really is just the beginning of this congress to tie hunter biden's overseas business dealings with the president of the united states at the time when he was vice president, they have struggled to prove anything in that case. >> hello, james comer, who is leading that investigation said he said today's verdict is a step towards accountability, but until the department of justice investigates everyone involved in the bidens corrupt influence peddling schemes that generated over 18 million in foreign payments to the biden family. there'll be clear. department officials continued to cover for the big guy joe biden, but again, the that investigation really has not borne out that biden joe biden acted corruptly, are enriched himself based on his sons hunters, business dealings. now, democrats have a bunch different view. they say it essentially confirms that the justice system works fairly and treats both sides equally what would republicans 0.2 as a two-tiered system of justice on the president's son was just convicted of a crime. i mean, if anything this shows the difference that democrats are willing to accept when our justice system works as fungi and as design, we're not here contesting the results were not here trying to defund the fbi or the department of justice because we don't like the outcome of a of a given trial. >> we respect the judicial michelle process now, also, jake, there's also been silence among top democrats as well. >> chuck schumer, the senate majority leader, has not yet weighed in on this, and neither has ackeem jeffries, the house demo credit leader. so you are seeing a much different approach between the two parties over this issue as republicans, they're a bit divided about how they're responding so far. >> all right. manu raju on capitol hill. thanks so much. appreciated. my panel joins me now. kate benningfield, let me start with you because, you know, the bidens having been communications director at the biden white house this obviously is personally very i'm sure horrible for the president and his family how much of a blow is it to him? not forget the politics for one second to president biden well personally it's very hard. >> i mean, he is the biden family is incredibly close. >> they're very close knit. they lean on each other. i worked for joe biden for almost eight years. i sat in countless meetings in different scenarios, including in the oval office when a member of his family would call him and he would stop the meeting and step out to take a call from his family. i mean, he truly puts family first so for him, obviously, this is very hard. it's hard to watch your son grapple with the kinds of demons that hunter biden has been dealing with. it's hard to watch somebody in your family who you love, gill with addiction and all of the awful things that can flow from that so this is hard. i don't think that it will it's not something that's going to knock him sideways, prevent him from focusing on being present united states, he's very resilient. he has dealt with a lot of personal tragedy in his life, while also being in public office, you obviously lost his son, beau, to brain cancer while he was vice president. so he is somebody who has dealt with personal difficulty while handling the rigors of public office and he'll do that here. but of course it's hard for him. >> liz, good. one. the washington post office of joyce's. thanks so much for being here. so you heard cnn's biden arrives, you tick, tick through some of the reaction from republicans on the hill. we mentioned before that republican senator lindsey graham and former congressman trey gouty have criticized it's a case for being brought at all. today, congressman thomas massie of kentucky, republican posted hunter might deserve to be in jail for something purchasing a gun is not it. matt gaetz, the florida republican said on twitter, the hunter biden gun conviction is kinda dumb tbas, to be honest, what do you make of this reaction kinda mixed. >> yeah, i think this case it's in some ways is the hardest possible one for republicans to celebrate or grab onto. so the most positive comments you've seen today from people like comer or even speaker johnson or more, just saying okay, it's a step towards the accountability, but we want them to focus on payments or are these financial dealings that we believe are inappropriate idea of celebrating someone having a gun for 11 days who didn't check the box that said they were drug user. it's just not it's very awkward. it's a second amendment issue. it's something that i think a lot of republicans don't really want to celebrate like, let me ask you this whole two-tiered system of justice. >> is it not undercut by this by the menendez trial going on by the pending trial against congressman cuellar. not those are three. >> i keep saying no, i know. but how explained to me because those are three prominent democrats, the president's son, because i think i've got a different definition to your justice system here. >> i think what we've seen happen with hunter biden and what we saw happen with president is on a different tier than what we're seeing with menendez and others that is pure corruption where the fbi investigates bribery or the investigates, they investigate votes being sold. this is, this seems to me for tat we can't forget. it is unfortunate what happened, but we can't forget that this is the outer growth of a failed plea deal that this was probably of a plea deal in order to try to get a little bit more to push on the hunter biden signed to accept the plea deal that went awry, and now he had to face the consequences of them filing this action. but we do have a two tiered system. 11 is being used for political purposes right now that we see in all of the quotes that are out there. and the other is just pure corruption that we've had in this country since mr. smith came to washing. so which let's put the new york case and then both new york case is assigned for one second. do you think the jack smith cases are