continues next on cnn >> tonight on 360 republican lawmakers attack the criminal justice system. one threatens to defund the government over the former president's criminal conviction, even as trump issues that thinly veiled warning about civil unrest, and he gets jail time or keeping them honest tonight also, de hunter biden's federal trial. the jury has been selected. we look ahead to opening statements tomorrow, and later, dr. anthony fauci, the grilling house republicans gave him over the covid pandemic. and what he gave them back in return. good evening. thanks for joining us. we begin tonight, keeping them honest with what looks to be the shape of things to come as the leader of the republican party self-proclaimed rule of law party faces a july sentencing date for 34 felony convictions increasingly, that means republicans are attacking and criminal justice system. they've longed, claimed to support, threatening to investigate and defunded, even threatening to defund the entire federal government all because a jury of 12 americans did what juries are entrusted to do, listened to evidence, and reach a verdict we are in a serious country anymore. >> we're literally a banana republic. so what does it matter, finding the government, the american people don't give a let's georgia republican congresswoman marjorie taylor greene talking to cnn's manu raju separately in a new letters in an obtain today, house judiciary chairman jim jordan is proposing to defund federal and state prosecutions targeting what he called quote, political opponents as we reported last week, some the former president's senate allies are bowing to bottle up any legislation at all in response to the new york verdict. >> now let's remember this was a state trial, not a federal one. and there's no evidence the federal justice department had any role whatsoever in it, let alone the attorney general, let alone president biden yet from the beginning, the former president has an almost literal sense, tried to make a federal case out of it. a notion his supporters now fully embrace house speaker mike johnson for one last week, he said the supreme court should get involved. now, he's saying congress should, with all its got listen, we are the rule of law party. chaos is not a conservative value and we have to fight back and we will, with everything in our arsenal, but we do that within the confines of the rule of law. so what we'll do with our tools that we have in congress in the house is we'll use oversight, responsibility and we're going to look at special counsel jack smith, who we believe is abusing his authority as well. we have the funding streams, we have mechanisms to try to get control of that jack smith for the record, has managed to persuade a duly appointed judge to sign off on a search warrant that is yielded troves of highly classified documents with the former president squirrel away at mar-a-lago and attack kemp did, according to prosecutors, to move those documents around to avoid detection. >> smith has persuaded grand juries to indict trump for that and also bring charges connected with january 6. all while being legitimately opposed in the court's up to and including the supreme court by the former president's legal team none of that suggests a lack of due process, let alone evidence of wrongful prosecution. to the contrary. yet here is what republican governor and vice presidential hopeful doug burgum is now saying well, i think what's sad for america is the whole weaponization of the system. and what we're going to see more of this he provided no evidence nor did another man desperately volume to become vice presidents and her tim scott there's no doubt that this verdict has actually rot uniform unifying our party without any question what we've seen is never choppers calling me and saying tim i'm on the bandwagon now. >> i've seen this two tier justice system working against the president united states. it can work against me to he also provided no evidence of that. >> as for the system being weaponized against republicans, not sure what democratic senator bob menendez fields about that, or for that matter, a hunter biden, the president's son, there are arriving today at a federal courthouse in delaware for day one of his trial on gang roulette, gun-related charges. and here's democratic congressman jamie raskin today democrats were not out there saying that hunter biden's trial is a far it's a fraud, it's rig we're not attacking the justice system. >> they do that because i extraordinary cognitive dissonance that a party which claims to be representing religious piety has wrapped itself around in an adjudicated sexual assailant and fraudster who just got convicted by a jury of his peers for paying $130,000 in hush money to a porn star right after his fifth child was born. that's where their party is. >> well, wherever the republican party may be and we'll talk about shortly, the leader of it is now gaslighting the public is dying. his own very public, very early, very loud foray into politicizing and yes, weaponizing the criminal justice system he famously said regarding hillary clinton, lock her up. you declined to do that as president, i beat her. it's easier when you win and they also luck. and i felt and i could have done it, but i felt it would have been a terrible thing and then this happened to me and so i may feel differently about i can tell you i can i'm not sure i can answer the question. hillary glenn, i didn't say lock her up, but the people those locker a blocker about. okay he said he didn't say that the people said it will keeping them honest. >> he said a lot for what she's done. they should lock her up. she's it's disgraceful honestly, it's disgraceful lock her up is right. you shouldn't lock them up lock up the by lock-up. hillary so of course he's dying. he said all that he ran on that and then the same interview, he issued another veiled threat about what might happen if he's sentenced to jail time or home confinement for the 34 felonies the jury convicted him of i don't know that the public would stand it. i don't i'm not sure the public which four with a house arrest for i think i think it'd be tough for the public to take, you know, at a certain point, there's a breaking point joining sounds former arkansas governor and former republican presidential candidate is a hutchinson governor. appreciate you being with us. >> what this is ce, as far as the republican party is concerned, being a convicted felon is no longer considered a disqualification for the presidency. >> and you are former prosecutor yourself, do you believe the federal government has weaponized against the gop? i have a high regard for the justice system in america. it is a hallmark of our democracy and the strength of america. i don't like to see it undermined by anyone and whatever you look at the republican party right now, they're in a bind the bind is that you've got a presumptive nominee that's going to get the nomination. the party that's going into the fall election and he's been convicted of 34 felonies that's a problem for the republican party. and their answer to it is to say they're bogus that the charges and the convictions are not legitimate that's a hard case to make to the american public even though they might see the start of that case in new york as partisan they have confidence in what the jury determined and that's varies by party of course, but the polls show that slim majority of americans have confidence in what the jury found. and so they're going to sort this through and we've had mistakes and prosecutions before our system has made the corrections that are needed, either through the jury system or through the appeal system. so let it work. let's don't undermine what is so great about america. in this justice system. but the republicans are in a bind because we have a nominee this is facing felony convictions and an under unknown future with a sentencing that's coming up. >> you know what happened when former maryland governor and the current gop senate candidate, larry hogan, he tweeted last week in response to this, he said i urge all americans to respect the verdict and the legal process that was basically blasphemy according to trump's campaign strategists who said that hogan ended his campaign with that remark and lara trump, who was installed by her father-in-law around the rnc, said hogan doesn't deserve the respect of anybody in america. i mean as a rational republican like yourself, vet's gotta be. i mean, just sad well, as someone who is trained as an officer of the court to respect the decision of the jury. >> what larry hogan is saying is bright we should respect it, and these jurors 12 of them citizens, not one of them found donald trump innocent. in fact, donald trump is batting zero and 24 with jurors lately. in the sexual abuse case, it was 12 to zip that he committed that. whenever you look at the criminal case is 12 to zero. so jury speak loudly. they should have respect the most important thing is that larry hogan is necessary for the republicans to win the majority of the united states senate. we need larry hogan, donald trump, if he's elected president will need larry hogan in the senate. and so it's very short-sighted to attack him. it just illustrates that they're trying to use the discipline that they have the whip to keep people in line and not to counter what the message donald trump has given. >> tim scott was on we played a clip of him earlier saying that it claiming he's been getting calls from what he described as never trump person said they could be coming from me next, i'm now voting for trump do you think that this verdict does bring new voters to trump or do you think it just i mean, it's certainly angers supporters of many supporters of the former president. >> but do you think it adds voters to his roles? >> well, i mean, it varies, but what you've got to look at is it's clearly strengthened his position with republican base. they're standing with hail they see this is unfair and so you do have that element. but you've got to look at the six key swing states. and how's this going to impact independent voters? and the ones that you have to get on the margin and so this over the long term, can't be healthy for donald trump. to me, he's demonstrating that he's has a fragile candidacy with these felony convictions with more court proceedings. and the question is, can joe biden take advantage of that and his weakness is difficult for the people to make a choice if they see joe biden as a week president, wants the choice, you have a convicted felon or some by they see as weak and we don't know how that's going to play out between now remember, but that is the challenge that the voters face. look governor hutchinson, i appreciate your time tonight. >> thank you thank you. >> good to be with you, anderson. >> we just wanted the president biden tonight. we'll have some especially blunt talk about his predecessors conviction has prepared remarks for a private fundraiser tonight, including words like unhinged as well as the president's assessment that his opponent is making a quote, all out assault and the american justice system prison, we understand is also expected to say, quote, my god, what kind of man is this join his now is democratic strategists james carville. so james pertinently these prepared remarks released by the biden campaign, the president is going to say tonight, folks, the camp the pain entered unchartered territory last week for the first time in american history a former president that is a convicted felon is now seeking the office of the presidency. >> do you, um, this is something behind closed doors is not going to be televised. >> do you see him making this a regular part of his stump speech? do you see him running with this out? front as a shield or is that not a wise idea i hope he doesn't i mean, 100% of the people noted trump was convicted. >> story is right then being fed stopped me want to be on rackets, have submitted fundraiser relationships were walked. that's fine. but he has a pretty clear open field now to talk about what good morning doing a second term, which i think just po by been pretty devoid of any of the campaign. so far. so i think he has a big advantage here and anybody that has any respect for the jury system of which i think most people do. i know. i do i'm always been taught that juries the most integral part of our criminal justice system. so i'm i'm not too big on president biden. i mean, certainly you can say something he wants to say. so i've met upon raise alluded to it every now and then, but everybody knows about this. we're going to know about the sentencing or know about all the appeals and all the stuff coming up at this story has got a lot of d'or on its own oh, nothing. that's my view. >> it does seem to your point, if he's talking issues of actually what he wants to do pocketbook issues. you don't really hear that from the former president. i mean, he's talking about grievances. he's talking about himself. he's talking about i mean, all this stuff. he just normally talks about when he's talking about and getting back at people. and i think president biden can talk about trying to get people ahead the thing she's built, high moisture build on his record the things that he wants to do to to help families going forward. i think he's got a golden opportunity and he's not trying to get back at anybody. he's just trying to get american families, american people back ahead a minute. the speech rights itself, because it is not rocket science here. you've got a big o opening. just drive through it, man go. no one gets us kind of opportunity in politics that he's gotten now anthony scaramucci was on the program a couple of days ago saying and he's he's expressed publicly and others who've republicans who are, don't like trump or have expressed concern that the biden kept campaign hasn't really done an outreach. >> two anti-trump republicans that a mistake i think i think anthers, right? but they couldn't do outreach and i think there's a lot of loosely aligned people who traditionally vote republican are not comfortable voting democratic without ever outreach. maybe some of them are vote for biden, some will stay at home but i see this unfold vicki hill just getting 22% in closed primaries and states like nebraska indiana. that's a lot of, that's a lot of people in your party that are coming out to vote against you for somebody's not even running anymore and i think he's right and present. biden. we can do a lot of public comes out to added a very uncomfortable with this. and we need to seize a moment and warped by weight of election. we went in 2022, roddy specials. we went to them is much more would independent illusory line voters and we went in them were two democratic base. i mean, hopefully we get a better numbers among under 30 and black. but right now, we're doing much better. what older, 65 over 65 and lucy align voters and we're going to need these people to win. and i think he makes a good point. i really do thank you. >> good psaki always always think we've next more breaking news details from the court on hunter biden's trial. now that a jury has been selected, an opening statements begin tomorrow. and later an outbreak of politics. some of it vicious is dr. anthony fauci testifies before congress about covid that and what the facts actually say ahead on 360 russia, we're trying to spy on us, we were spying on them. >> this is a secret war, secrets and spies sunday at ten on cnn over 13 million americans were affected by identity theft in 2022. >> and the threats go way beyond just credit card fraud. today's identity thieves can use your information in ways that are easy to miss by just monitoring accounts and credit like opening loans, transferring home 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in part with lying on this atf form when he purchased a firearm, prosecutors alleged he failed to reveal he was a drug the addict, and using at the time, he has entered a plea of not guilty, although he has been open about his struggles with addiction in both his 2021 memoir beautiful things and in interviews, i went one time for 13 days without sleeping and smoking, crack in, drinking vodka exclusively throughout that entire time. >> the case was initiated by special counsel, david weiss, that trump appointed us attorney in delaware, hunter was expected to resolve his gun charges as part of a plea deal, but that fell apart last year hunter owned an unloaded gun for 11 days. >> they will never have been a charge like this brought in the united states prosecutors plan to call hunters, ex-wife, and his late brother's widow, whom hunter later dated to testify about his drug use during the time he purchased the gun in 2018 there are also likely to use hunters infamous laptop, which contains embarrassing emails and photos to bolster their claims. >> hunters attorneys have previously said the files were manipulated and sued the computer repair shop owner who helped make the materials public. >> i've made mistakes in my life in wasted opportunities and privileges, i was afforded for that. >> i'm responsible as he fights to criminal cases. he is also taken a more aggressive strategy towards dealing with republican led investigations on capitol hill. >> hunter biden should be arrested right here right now and go straight to jail thank you mr. chairman add excuse me. hunter, apparently you're afraid of my words. >> his second criminal trial on tax charges is scheduled to begin in september in los angeles falerii johnson's out. so what do we know about the makeup of the jury so we've learned that the jury is comprised of six men and six women. >> the majority of the jury is black. and today's jury selection process really highlighted in many ways america's drug addiction epidemic has many potential jurors talked about how people close to them have struggled with addiction, at least two of those folks made it onto the jury. they have tested, are talked about in court how people close to them have struggled with addiction and various phase there's also several gun owners on the jury, including one juror who says, even if you've smoked marijuana, you still have the right to a firearm all right. >> all right. thanks very much. perspective now from someone close to the biden white house and families, cnn political commentator kate benningfield, who recently served as white house communications director with me here, bestselling author and former federal prosecutor, jeffrey thuban. so geoff on the legal merits what does this case look like? it's a very unusual case i mean, when you see this charge of unlawful purchase of a weapon, it's almost always in connection with the case where the gun is used in some crime. a standalone case based on just being a dread drug addict drug user buying buying a gun is almost never, never brought a hunter biden's problem is, it's still a crime and this is the case that was brought and he's going to have to figure out a way to defend them. >> and the fact that the tortured history, there's the fact that they had a deal and then they didn't. will that be brought into the trial? not at all. that's that is completely off limits. plea negotiations are never allowed to be brought before a jury, but is indicative of the fact that this is it's a case that usually, i mean, to the extent you can say it usually about anything involving a case that started in 2018, this investigation has been going on for six years this this kind of crime is almost always resolved in a plea bargain. >> cave. should people be surprised that the first lady it was attending court not at all. >> i can tell you. so i worked for joe biden for nearly eight years and they are an incredibly close-knit family. i sat in countless meetings where joe biden took, stopped and took a call from one of his kids from one of his grandkids from one of his siblings he is somebody who puts family first, has been very very clear that he loves his son and that he's going to support him. i mean remember it's also important to remember that he was lost his daughter and his wife, his first wife in a car crash weeks after he was elected to the senate for his entire time in public life, he has grappled with and struggled with challenges within his family alongside dealing with the responsibilities of public service. so this is not unfamiliar territory to him, but he is somebody who loves his family, who this family is is the beating heart of joe biden. so know, people should not be surprised at all to see the bidens closely supporting their son jeff attention because the judges is overseeing hunter biden's two cases are both trump appointees and yet you don't hear president biden attacking them as conflicted, going after the court, going after witnesses and yeah it's joe biden and donald trump are very different people. that's a big new scoop. i mean, the fact is it's a completely different approach. biden is saying i respect the process i expect if if hunter is convicted, he will say the same thing. he's showing his love for his son but he is not attacking the process or the people involved and everything we've seen about how biden is behaved, is that it's completely different from how trump is handling his own legal troubles. >> i mean, false equivalencies notwithstanding how damaging or do you think it would be damaging or conviction in his sons killed is to biden's campaign i don't and there are a couple of reasons for that. >> firstly, obviously a hunter biden is not the president. he is not an office holder. he is not involved. he's not a paid staffer on his father's campaign. he's not involved in any way and secondly, we know and i can tell you somebody who was helping run the biden campaign in 2021 of the most significant moments in the debates, one of the moments that really got the most traction was the moment when joe biden stood up to donald trump, who's trying to make a hunter biden a line of attack and said, you know, i love my son, like many people in this country who have dealt with addiction. i think families across the country can understand what we've been through. and the president was very direct about being completely unflinching, about allowing donald trump to come out. hunter biden in that way. so no, i think what we've seen politically is that people admire that joe biden stands by his son. they relate to it. everybody has got someone and their family has either struggled with addiction or mental illness. this is an incredibly relatable thing for people all across the country. and i think seeing joe biden's humanity is a good thing for him politically to be quite crass so no, i don't think that a conviction is going to have a political impact here. >> what jeff, what do you think is expect the defense strategy to be because there was a document he signed which said he wasn't taking drugs and was according to it's a tough situation. and the judge yesterday ruled that an addiction specialist could not testify as an expert. i assume what abbe lowell was going to try hi to do is meticulously go through when the when the form was signed and whether at that precise moment hunter hunter biden was abusing drugs because it is true like a lot of attics, sometimes you was sometimes you wasn't. and whether the timing matches up is something the prosecution is going to have to prove and i absolutely certainly going to make them is going to challenge that at every point. but it's also worth remembering the vast majority of people charged in federal court wind up being convicted. so he sent a lot of trouble, geoff tube and thank you. >> kate benningfield as well, coming up, if former president now convicted felon a sitting president son in court wondering, 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breaking news this evening that president biden is expected to attack the former president tonight for what he's calling an all-out assault. >> and the us judicial system. specifically want to explore divided nation a little bit more around the context of something former president said this weekend, one of my favorite guests, historian and author doris kearns goodwin is here to talk about it with me. we played well, the foreign president said earlier the program, but i just want to play again here he is talking about the possibility of going to jail after his felony convictions. >> i don't know that the public would stand it. i don't i'm not sure the public would stand for with a house arrest for i think i think it would be tough for the public to take, you know but a certain point there's a breaking point. joining me now presidential historian doris kearns goodwin, she's the author of a number of bestsellers. her latest is fantastic and unfinished love story. a personal history of the 1960s, and i highly recommend it in a way we've, we've talked about the divisions in this country the civil war obviously was a time of just horrific divisions the 1970s, there were a lot of 60s and 70s and which you covered so much in your book and your newest book. >> but was the country more divided than or do you think it's more divided now? >> i think it's more divided now than any time in my lifetime really since the civil war, we would divided over issues, maybe the vietnam war, isolationism, interventionism, race, civil rights. but this is like identity. people who are in one party and the other feel like that's their life. it's a different thing. we've seen, but it wasn't that way before. >> i don't think so. i mean, i just saw a great incredible statistic that people were asked in 1958. do you care whether your daughter marries are republican or a democrat and a small percentage cared, but 72% said they didn't care either way was okay, 2020, same question. 79% of people are married to people in the same part so somehow parties become who we are. one of the things that good old george washington warned against in his farewell address is afraid of the baneful effects of party. and he warned people against that because it could produce divisions and they actually, every year they read in the senate this farewell address, its 7,000 words. if only they did here for two, if they just read it and then they go back and become divided parties. again, teddy warned against teddy, i should say teddy, teddy roosevelt, my guy warned against. he said, if people begin to think of each other as the other, rather than a common american citizens when the divided by party or region, or section, then we're going to be losing our democracy than democracies in parallel. and somehow how that's happened, that is something we see in repressive regimes around the world are regimes where there is civil war or the othering of opponents the othering of fellow citizens and not even believing they're human as sometimes we've heard from the former president. i mean that really then makes it impossible to make any connections or compromised as if they're the other. i mean, even when race was a huge diversion country in the 19 1960s, 22 republicans joined the 44 democrats to break the filibuster and bring the civil rights act. we can imagine that today did the sort of apocalyptic worldview or pronouncements from the president, the threats of potential civil unrest does that work? >> i mean, a gins up, a lot of fear, a gins up supporters that brings people to the barricades, i guess if that's what you want them to be, does it work to get elected? i don't know. i mean, we're going to see what happens. it seems to me that the more extreme that the former president becomes in terms of ginning up his people to say, we are now a fascist country. this is not america anymore. this is not a country, this is a banana republic. i don't think the ordinary person feels that way about our country and never in our country's history really has somebody who talks so pessimistically about this country, won an election. i mean, think about what happened in hoover versus fdr hoover is saying that the government can't really help the depression and don't worry, it's getting a little bit better. fdr comes along and says it's in terrible shape now, and it's not your fault. >> you people, it's the leadership ship that a failed and i'm going to act and he wins by a landslide. >> look at the difference between carter saying that the problem in the country is the malaise of the people that somehow they've lost crisis of confidence. and then reagan comes along saying, it's optimistic morning in america, we're going to make this work optimism in elections, optimism usually prevails in terms of who people want want to show to lead them. and you want to feel like you're going toward something in the future. i mean, one of the problems about the trial right now is that it's all the past grievances they're gonna be here. he said retribution will come. grievances when i think about lincoln in the second inaugural with malice toward none and charity for all. let us bind up our nation's wounds that just the opposite about saying, if i get to be president again, i'm going to get back at the people who've heard me. >> is there a lesson from history that history teaches about how things get better? i mean, how, how do divisions heal the country was so divided in the civil war i mean, there were still many divisions for generations afterward, but how does one heel out as a country heal? >> well, you need a leader who helps to bring about that healing. and that's what abraham lincoln did. i mean, it could have been after the civil war, even after the north won the war that those divisions might have been even more exacerbated if he had gone after the they wanted him to go after the southern leaders put them in jail, execute them. he said, i'm not going to do that. so you needed a leader who brings about that healing. but it also depends upon the people. maybe they'll just get exhausted by this at some point, i keep thinking, although wasn't a story and i haven't been ride i thought january 4th had changed it. that would break the fever. i thought the hearings that summer would change it. and now i think maybe this trial will change. things we're hearing people say on the independent sayyed, and even moderate new public side that the rule of law has prevailed and at they may not be able to vote for a candidate who, who performed as it feels very hard to imagine going back to the gop of ronald reagan or the time when people were disagreeing, or when when moderation or compromise was not a dirty word. >> but you know, that's what always happens. we're living in the time we don't know the ending of our story. the people in the civil war couldn't have imagine what that would end with emancipation secured and the union restored even the early days of world war ii, people couldn't have imagined the allies would win the war and democracy would prevail. they didn't know the end of their story. we don't know it, but somehow we've gotten through these dire times before i still keep coming back to history. history will help us by giving us, because it feels well, i believe it ran forget. we've all been through this before. there had been these are cycles that repeat. we've all been here before. we've all been through this before whether us are people who were here before us, we just need to remember that we'd been through this before. >> we have to remember that somehow we're not a different people, somehow something's happened to our political system and i think this the political system that's causing a lot like something's happening to our social media but we created these problems as leaders have said, we can solve the problems we've created. i don't know the answer yet, but i just have a feeling that somehow why are we going to be as a democracy, unable to solve this one when we solved other ones, which were even more dire than this one, even though it's hard to realize that doors grooms goodwin thing okay. so we've got to believe it anyway, you make me believe it. thank you. thank you. it was the head are divided america on display during testimony today on capitol hill. boy, dr. anthony fauci stepped out on retirement to testify about our preparedness for the next pandemic, which there will be one some de and look at it took a lot of personal attacks from republicans in the process, including this one do the american people deserve to be abused like that, mr. fauci, because you're not dr. your mr. fauci every weekday morning, cnn's five things has, has what you need to get going with your day. >> it's the five essential stories of the morning in five minutes or less. >> cnn's five things with kate bolduan screaming weekdays exclusively on max you will mate to find inner peace we were made to track flight 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experiments. >> this is what you signed off on. do you think that's appropriate to the american people deserve to be abused like that, mr. fauci, because you're not dr. your mr. fauci and my few minutes mr. chairman of order, just in terms of the rules of decorum, are we allowed to deny that a doctor is a doctor just because we don't want him to be a doctor yes. >> because in my time that man does not deserve to have a license is a matter of fact, it should be revoked and he belongs in suspend the gentlelady should recognize the doctor as a doctor. >> do you agree that there was a push to downplay the lab-leak theory? >> not on my part really, really. wow. wow try now by cnn medical analyst dr. jonathan reiner. >> so when your house republicans got dr. fauci like they did today, congresswoman green refusing to call him a doctor what goes through your mind that it's a circus and it's not a serious attempt to understand what happened to us during covid when we were attacked on 911 and 3,000 americans were killed. >> a commission was, was instituted to do a 360 degree comprehensive bipartisan review of where our failings were. and it generated a 700 page report and substantive changes to america's intelligence sharing apparatus came out of that. >> and there's been nothing like this pandemic and has been nothing like that for this pandemic, we lost 1.2 million people and we were not prepared. we couldn't create test. it took us a long time to create test then when we created tests, we couldn't manufacturer them. they were they were contaminated. we understood that the virus was airborne, but we had to tell the people in this country not to try and wear masks cause we didn't have masks are stockpiles had been depleted the public was deceived over and over again. >> we couldn't do the testing we needed, we rely on other countries for critical data and despite that now all these years out, 4.5 years out, we still have not had a substantive bipartisan look at why and a country that, that in the year before, in the year before the pandemic started, the us was rated to be the number one prepared country in the world. >> how we could have gotten it's so bad, right? i mean, you think back to those pictures nurses and doctors wearing. i think it was nurses wearing plastic bags because there wouldn't ppe bryn garbage bag? yeah, they'll garbage bags. >> it is i mean, it is inevitable that there will be another pandemic. >> i mean, it's just whether it's a year from now our 20 years from our 30 years from now unless we learn the lessons and ms lots of mistakes were made. there's no doubt about it unless we learn the lessons of it, there's no reason to think. we would be as ill-prepared the next time right. >> look, there is h5n1 influenza circulating widely around the world in birds. and now we're starting to see cattles infected with it we have, and we've seen a few humans who have had prolonged contact with infected in animals get it, but we haven't seen 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of the current republican nominee, we'd be well-served to remember the long and cherished tradition we have in this country. of settling are political differences at the ballot box for nearly two-and-a-half centuries, our nation's elected leaders have properly resisted the temptation to oppose their political rivals through the weaponization of our justice system equal justice for all, and an overall trust in our justice system is fundamental to who we are as americans that was guy rows behind his dad. >> he just finished kindergarten afterward. congressman rose wrote on social media, this is what i got from telling my son, guide us, smile at the camera for his little brother over glad he did, or how are you? joins us now? >> what more do you know? and what more do i know? i know that today is in fact a very special you are out here for some units you guys, you knew i was here for some michigan last year. >> i sung you happy birthday. there were a lot of complaints. >> yes. you may not remember it was an important moment for me and you're important person in my life. five and i wanted to get you a gift for your birthday, someone who actually knows how to sing. so guys, if we can play this tape that was recorded earlier today surprise, surprise. >> it's neil said sidak thou happy birthday, anderson cooper. i remember you being friends with my son, mark. yes i dalton coming over to the house when you adjust 16-years-old? so when your honor and your birthday here's a song for you i'm not happy birthday. addison two nights a waited for because you're not a baby anymore turned into the hands of this guy? we've ever seen happy birthday and who if we should smile sweet surprise it says get you grown up before area turned into a handsome guy. you've ever seen happy sweet 16 witness another few years happy birthday and said, wow neil thing thank you. >> that's amazing. the i sit back and that incredible my uncle nielsen. >> yes. and we i wish i learned only a few months ago that you're neil stack was younger. i went to school with his son, mark. you absolutely dead and neil saka is huge. i mean, he's had an incredible, incredible career at three number one hits that he sung and wrote, i believe a fourth level and like one when i was great, he was the guy who was like on the he would show up, everyone variety shows on the, you know, muppets let me tell you he is one of the best performers. i've ever seen live. i gave him a few instructions for this video. i thought of it last friday. i just thought what is the thing that can make anderson cooper smile? the smile that he loved, his smile, giggle the guigo that he loves to go hello, i think that we did pretty gosh darn good. so i just want to thank you. anconeal. what a wonderful sedaka honestly
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