i'm taylor available on the apple app store or android. >> i've hanako montgomery and tokyo and this is cnn convicted donald will trump found guilty and could face prison time. >> a stunning precedent for a man on the ballot. >> again, this is bigger than me. this is bigger than my presidency. he's taking an aggressive stands but how is the verdict affecting his campaign and his future republican national committee co-chair lara trump joins me exclusively next and turning point. >> president biden responds to the trump verdict with caution. >> that's how the american system of justice works. and pivots back to policy. >> you fellow democrats think he's missing an fortunately senate candidate, congressman adam schiff joins me exclusively, plus all in top republicans rushed to trump's defense. >> i can't believe though folks the but with polls showing a tight race, what will independent voters thing, he backed nikki haley for president new hampshire governor chris sununu is ahead hello. >> i'm kasie hunt in washington where the state of our union is in uncharted territory for the first time ever. a former us president, donald trump is a felon convicted on 34 counts. he'll be sentenced by a judge just months before he stands in the presidential election. last night, trump leaned into his stance as a self-proclaimed, quote warrior with a visit to the ultimate fighting championship in new jersey and the republican party seems to be buying his message. trump has raised tens of millions in donations since the verdict thursday in new york as republican officials of all stripes are backing him and attacking the us judicial system. but the effect on his bid to unseat president joe biden, particularly among independent voters, is far from clear. not to mention the legal consequences of his conviction, which he will appeal. his attorney, todd blanche told the ap he plans to argue strenuously against potential prison time and trump was asked about the possibility hill face house arrest or prison on fox face. >> what that does, i'm okay with it. i don't know that the public would stand it. i don't i'm not sure that the public would stand for with a house arrest for i think i think it'd be tough for the public to take at a certain point. is a breaking point and joining me this morning is republican national committee co-chair and the president's daughter-in-law, lara trump. >> good morning. thank you very much for being here. >> good morning. thanks for having me so you heard at donald trump just their respond to the possibility of getting sentenced to jail or house arrest. >> he says he's okay with it, but he's not sure if the public will stand for it and they quote at a certain point, there's a breaking point what does that look like? what is he saying will happen i think you've seen already what's happened. >> it's the american people have really spoken up. and casey, they've spoken with their wallets in their pocketbooks even in a time where our economy is in such bad shape. thanks to horrific policies by joe biden, the american people came out and in 48 hours hours after donald trump's verdict was read, our campaign and the rnc raised 70 million in digital fundraising. this is small-dollar donations, and i think the amazing statistic to take out of that is that 30% of that money came in from people who had never once donated to donald trump. people are very upset about what they saw happen this week to someone that could should never have had a case brought against him. we all know that f his name had been anything other than donald trump. this case would have never seen the light of day. and what people are seeing now is that they can't trust our judicial system. there are very worried about the america that we are facing if this is the precedent we are setting, and the united states. and so i think that that was a very quick, very rapid, and very strong response from the american people. it has gone way too far. the judicial system being weaponized against a political opponent, the american people are set and they spoke out about it laura, this was a jury of regular americans. >> do you not trust them well, let's be honest, this case from the very beginning was weighed against donald trump. >> let's look at the fact that this case was not brought by the fec. they looked at this years ago, they said there's no case pace here. it wasn't brought by cy vance, the former district attorney in manhattan. it wasn't even brought by alvin bragg himself until when? until donald trump decided to run for president. and he started gaining momentum, then they decided to bring it forward. then they had to rush it into court, where in downtown manhattan where we know the majority of people in not city did not vote for donald trump. they are not fans of his miraculously and defying all possible statistics as well. this judge managed to get three anti-trump cases. steve bannon, allen weisselberg, the former cfo of the trump organization, and donald trump he donated this judge to the biden campaign his daughter raises money for the opposition for debbie asked you about the jury specifically should james i'm not i'm not done. you had a judge who told the jury that they did not have to be unanimous in their decision. they could come up with a whole host of different ideas and then they could come in and present it to him and they would work it out together. >> this this case from the beginning has been signed at the venue, should never have been in new york city because even though he had to be unanimous, people document leave trump, which again, about the jury and normal americans that are part of this. do you think it's not possible for any correct to get a fair trial by jury. >> i think that this judge should have never been a presiding over this case. he weighed the entire case in the eyes of the jury, and then he gave the jury instructions that were incredibly leading. and you can't blame the jury they were doing what he told them to do. so from the beginning, this case, whether you're talking about the judge, the venue, the instructions given, or the fact that the key witness that would have exonerated donald trump and shown what a waste of time this entire case ultimately was. the judge wouldn't allow in. >> so you can't blame the jury for their decision, but you're tired. >> you want to know the former president had an opportunity to testify. he could have. and i also want to note, of course, he does plan to appeal this just to circle back to what we did here from the former president this morning this judge, who you just criticized extensively is the person that is going to decide whether or not the former president will go to jail what should donald trump's supporters do if that happens? >> well, they're gonna do what they've done from the beginning, which is remain calm and protest at the ballot box on november 5th, there's nothing to do other than make your voices heard loud and clear and speak out against this because this is not the united states of america, casey, this is the kind of thing you would expect to see in the communists, ussr so they shouldn't do anything until voting starts. and then they're going to come out in droves. and i believe donald trump will be reelected as 47th president. >> so you of course, are the co-chair of the republican national committee and your party is set to nominate the former president for president again. and that's set to happen right now, just four days after he is set to be we sentenced on july 11, are you planning or discussing any changes to the convention in programming or scheduling well, i think we have to be ready for anything as we've seen, all bets are off when it comes to donald trump's. >> so yeah, we have to wait and see it's ironic to me, you had to rush this case through and now we have to wait over a month of course, for sentencing. everyone can read into the irony of that. of course, but yes, we have to make plans as they happen and we're going to have several contingency plans. >> the truth is, it really doesn't matter whether it's from trump tower in manhattan, whether it's from mar-a-lago, whether it's from our convention in milwaukee, wisconsin, we will nominate donald trump as our republican nominee. >> and that's what ultimately matters all right so at this point you also have to consider how independent voters may actually take this in. >> this is going to be an incredibly close election it could come down to a handful of these independence in critical swing states are you going to lose votes because of this conviction? >> well i think. the polls right after the verdict show that actually the opposite has happened. you had a 6% jump are six point jump rather for donald trump right after this conviction was red. and as i noted, 30% of the donations and small dollars that have come in since the verdict to have been new donors that that trend was like didn't votes. what we understand is that when somebody donates even $1, casey, to a campaign, they are going to ultimately turn out and vote for that person. they are bought in. and so i think what matters to people right now isn't donald trump in downtown manhattan a case that everybody can see was weighed against him that never should have seen the light it a day. they care about their lives, they care about the fact that they can't make ends meet right now, that it's harder to put food on the table for their families that they can't fill their gas take-up in the same way that they're worried about the future of the world because we have a war in europe, we have a war in the middle east. they want to get back to the days when they felt safe and secure for as americans with their economy and with the rest of the world. and we know who brought that to them. it was donald j. trump and i believe they're going to come out and vote for him solely because of that. how much of the money that is being raised that has been raised is going to be used to pay for the former president's legal fees well, everybody has an option whenever they donate to our joint fundraising agreement to opt out of it is a very small percentage of the money that we take in. >> and so i would have to say, we'll wait and see what is necessary in the future. obviously, this has been a very costly thing, not just for donald trump and his campaign but for america. this stain that this has put on our country, i think is bombing notable and we'll do whatever we need to do to ensure that the right thing happens on november 5th because that's when the ultimate verdict will be rendered. >> republican senate candidate larry hogan in maryland. and again, i'm asking this in your capacity as one of the co-chairs of the entire republican party and he's a popular former governor in maryland. he wrote this ahead, right ahead of the verdict. he said, quote, regardless of the result, i urge all americans to respect the verdict and the legal process that is not the republican party line at the moment. and in fact, he was attacked by the top trump adviser, chris lacivita, who wrote that he quote, just ended your campaign, end quote. >> does the republican national committee support larry hogan for senate? well, i'll tell you one thing. i don't support what he just said there. i think it's ridiculous and i think anybody who's not speaking up in the face of really something that should never again have seen the light of day a trial that would never have been brought against any other person aside from the rnc has been the respect of anyone well, there's a respective anymore to you he doesn't deserve a destructive anyone in the republican party at this point. and quite frankly, anybody in america, if that's the way you feel that's very upsetting to hear that. >> so are you willing to cede the senate seat in maryland to the democratic party and not support larry hogan what i'll tell you is that we of course want to win as a party, but that is a shame. and i think he should have thought long and hard before he said that publicly do you are you willing to use republican party resources to support his bid or not? >> it sounds like you're saying you're not well i'll get back to you on all the specifics monetarily. but what i can tell you is that as the republican party co-chair, i think he should never have said something like that. i think that's ridiculous. okay. >> and finally, we are of course, five months out from the election. and we haven't heard a lot of republicans good straight answers to what is a pretty simple question about the election. so i just want to ask you directly, it will you commit to accepting the election results in 2024 of course, is if this is a free, fair, and transparent election, absolutely. >> and actually we're doing everything we can from the rnc to ensure that indeed that happens. we are working overtime to make sure that every american republican, democrat and independent feels good about our electoral process because casey, we can't repeat an election like we had in 2020 where you i'd half the country with huge sweeping questions about what happened that never got answered. that's show you. i didn't win. we need transparency. will use a free and fair election. absolutely. >> oh, you guys, if donald trump wins, will you accept those results because that's the real question everybody has said, will we accept them? of course? we will, but we wanted to the lesson and zero evidence 20 widespread fraud that couldn't changed the ultimate outcome. and it's not most of those lawsuits were were swept away on clerical errors. and actually, if you look at people who were told that the hunter biden laptop story was a fake story enough of them would have voted against joe biden biden. and for donald trump, that it's solely would have swung the election in and of itself. so that alone is enough. but then people are really wanted to know, well what happened across the country. we never got those answers. i can tell you, yes. we will accept the results of this election if we feel that it is free, fair, and transparent, and we are working overtime to ensure that indeed that happens all right the co-chair of the republican national committee, lara trump. >> thank you very much for being with us this morning. i appreciate your time thank you. all right. he was going to donald trump's biggest antagonists in congress, the senate candidate and congressman adam schiff is here next and a republican governor who opposed trump in the primaries. what does he think of a verdict? 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>> well, first, in terms of large trump's interview and her complaining about the case being tried to new york before new york jury if you don't want to be tried in front of a new york jury, then maybe don't commit somebody crimes in new york city it's pretty simple. and that jury was selected in part by donald trump and his attorneys they vetted each of the jurors. he had every right that every other criminal defendant has in that courtroom and they found this ordinary jury of peers found him guilty on every single count. so if you don't want to be tried in new york, don't commit crimes in new york but he got the same due process as any other person. and that's exactly the way it should be in terms of donald trump's comments about whether the public reaches a breaking point if he is sentenced to jail time this is clearly donald trump, once again inciting violence, potential violence when he is sentenced and lara trump may try to explain it away. we see this pattern over and over again. we're donald trump communicates with his base supporters make you a pretty clear what he wants to see and then his enablers tried to explain it away, but luck, his baseless is to him, they don't listen to lara trump and this is another dangerous appeal to violence and is yet another reason why americans are going to decide they don't want a convicted felon in the oval office. they don't want someone that has so little respect for the system of justice or our criminal laws that they're a convicted felon and then attack the system as a result sorry, you are former prosecutor experienced prosecutor. >> now it's the judge that's going to have to decide the sentence for the former president, but the prosecutors in the case, do you have ask for what they want? do you think those prosecutors should be asking the judge to put donald trump in jail i think what the prosecutors should do and for that matter, what the judge should do is look at what are the sentences given out in new york? >> for like felons, people that have committed felonies of that nature that donald trump committed. they should recommend a sentence no greater or no less than any other citizen would get for committing those crimes. now, i do think the judge should consider as any judge would against any defendant. has the defendant accepted responsibility? have they shown on remorse? so they're willing to make restitution in this case, as you can see from the moment he stepped out of that courthouse, donald trump shows no acceptance of responsibility and that ought to be weighed against him as the judge would against any american who's convicted on a multiple counts and takes no responsibility. >> cert considering that the sentencing is likely to occur, just days before the start of a convention and months before he's to be the republican nominee in november. do you think it would be dangerous for the country if donald trump were sentenced to jail? >> no, i don't think it will be dangerous for the country and we have seen trump urge mass protests outside the courthouse that never materialized. but nevertheless this is i think what donald trump is aiming for. this is essentially his threat that if he gets jailed time that he's going to encourage his supporters to rise up. and we saw the very deadly results of that on january 6. so i don't think the public is going to respond to that call. i hope we learn something from the awful experience of january 6, but it's very clear what donald trump has suggesting here and this is something i think that the judge needs to take into consideration also not to be intimidated by that threat. but as a further evidence, this defendant not only doesn't accept responsibility but as willing to endanger people, just as trump's willing to violate the gag order and potentially endanger witnesses or jurors or the judge himself or family members. that's something that judge ought to be considering cr you are the democratic candidate for senate in california and president biden's campaign has we're really tried to strike a balance between attacking president trump over what's happened is a convicted felon. >> while at the same time not going as aggressively as some on the left clearly would like him to be. i'm curious what you think should president biden be leaning more into this message of donald trump being a convicted felon? >> i think for the president, there's a time and a place. so for each argument, i think on the day of the conviction of their day thereafter, i can understand the presence thing above the fray and demonstrating his respect and expressing his respect for the jury system but i think the president should be leaning into this going forward the his competitor is a convicted felon. and you can only imagine if if the situation was reversed they would be going after joe biden with a vengeance. they're making those false claims about joe biden regardless so i think not only the president, but democrats need to be making the case forcefully to american people. if you want something done about housing and how unaffordable it can be. you don't want a convicted felon in the oval office just looking out for themselves, you want something done about childcare. you don't want a convicted felon in the oval office. you want the country run properly. you don't want a convicted felon to turn the oval office and the federal government in some kind of a racketeering operation. i think that's a powerful case to make. and certainly one supported by the verdict here. >> do you think there's a world where this helps donald trump politically this verdict by increasing his supporters for vr and interest in going to the polls i don't it was amusing to watch lara trump make this so much about fundraising. she's very clearly with the fundraising, pleased with the fundraising. but that doesn't translate into votes. these are folks that were already for him who may be more for him, but fine. they were voting for him anyway but for average, americans, the idea of not just having someone they can't respect nuts, somebody, having someone that they don't feel as a decent, good human being in the oval office, someone that they would be ashamed of as president, but someone who is a convicted felon to have them as as the representative of america? no american people are not going to want that and i don't think the fact you get more money out of your base is donald trump is, is any reflection to the contrary? >> yeah. sir. before i let you go, the trial of hunter biden begins tomorrow on gun-related charges. you of course, have said the public should respect this verdict against donald trump. should the public also respect the verdict against hunter biden, regardless of what it is absolutely. absolutely. and i think the president himself will respect the verdict much as it is painful. i'm sure to see one of your children on trial, but yes, american should accept when a jury reaches a verdict, they should accept the result that is part of our democracy and the really the anchor of our constitution is the fact that ordinance citizens get to decide how the rule of law is applied to even the most powerful in our country. that's something we should be proud of all right, congressman adam schiff, thank you very much for your time this morning, sir. >> i appreciate it. >> thank you all right. >> up next is there room for dissent in donald trump's republican party? 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shipping from the i'm than liebermann at the pentagon. >> and this cnn welcome back to state of the union. >> i'm kasie hunt a new dynamic in the presidential race with donald trump's felony conviction. what we'll independent voters think the kind of voters that nikki haley is still earning in republican primaries. my next guest backed her over trump in those primaries, joining me now is new hampshire republican governor says sununu. governor, thank you so much for being here. >> you bet. >> so donald trump is now a convicted felon. are you comfortable voting for him in november oh, sure. >> as apparently according to the polls, most of america is i mean, the poles of this morning still have up two points. so the reality is that this isn't really moving people's decision but majority of people say it doesn't really matter. i think there's a small percentage that say it'll make them more likely in a small percentage, settle, make make them less likely to vote for him. but in the end, it's kind of a wash and it's it's early june. right. so this is just the first step of this process with his legal troubles, but it's also we have two more debates. we have the conventions, we've got a long way to go. but in november, and this is going to be well into the rearview mirror in terms of the voters, those independent voters, and where they go deep. >> but do you find it troubling at all look. >> i don't want my nominee to be be convicted of anything, of course. and i worked as hard as anybody other than maybe nikki haley, of course to make sure he wasn't the nominee because i think we had a lot of a lot better choices, but he is going to be the republican nominee of the party, people in america want change. they do. this is, this is how bad joe biden i didn't is the effect that regardless of what happens in the courthouse, it looks like joe biden is going to lose. he doesn't deliver results. inflation is real, the border is real. public safety and the lack thereof, and especially in a lot of these major cities is real. i mean, donald trump is within single-digits in new york at this point, right? never mind the swing states even in new york, they're making being a run at winning new york. so this is just, it's up to the voters and that's democracy and the voters are saying, we want to change. >> so speaking of the voters, nikki haley, who, you, of course endorse, worked very, very hard for during the time when she was still in, you guys were still a team? she said this about what americans would do following a conviction. watch there is no way that the american people are going to vote for a convicted criminal. they're not do you think she's wrong yeah. >> apparently apparently, we were both wrong on that one. and i think the issue there isn't it's not just that he's convicted. he everyone wants just still the label which exists today. but when you look at what happened, what the extent the prosecution had to go to to line up these domino's to bring a conviction on charges that had never been brought against anybody in the state of new york ever representative shifts said the judge should impose the penalty as any other case like this would be imposed. it's never happened before. it gets never even happened. so do you not accept the jury's verdict and you see the bias and the judge another look, the jury did their job. i don't think many people it should be complaining about the jury they did their job. but the fact that they had to go to such extents to push a case that was clearly politically driven with a judge that had previously shown political bias and changing the rules at the last minute. i mean, even on this very network, your own legal analysts have said there's so so many ways that this thing is going to be appealed. this is not overbite by any stretch, and i think it's a real problem. the fact that they're going to have a, they're going to commit sentencing, right before the convention. that's a terrible idea. i mean, that is a terrible idea that's going to do nothing but ryle everybody up. it's going to look even more political than it is now. and just cast a shadow hello of a doubt on this entire case. >> you say ryle everybody up. you heard with the former president said the congressman schiff seemed to say he thought the president was suggesting there would be violence. how did you read it when you say rile up, does that mean violence? >> well, no one, nobody wants violence, of course. but i'm not saying he wanted violence, but i was asked, what are you saying? yeah. >> oh, i think there'll be lots of protests. you'll see folks coming out in droves trying to show their support for the former president? no, i think you're just going to see it's a heated election year. you're going to see a lot of folks come out on both sides, of course. but at the end of the day, those independent voters that decide where this goes, that are going to come out there knocking can be looking at this in terms of who the next president is, they want change and from my point of view, all i'm trying to bring folks nationally is an understanding of what's happening on the ground and why inflation is real public security, israel border crisis is real. all of these things, there's chaos, internationally . these things line up and those are the priorities of a lot of folks right now. >> so let me ask you about what at the co-chair of the rnc just said about larry hogan the republican nominee for senate in maryland. she said, he quote doesn't deserve the respect of anyone in the republican party. do you respect larry hogan? >> of course. of course that was a completely that was a bad statement. but by laura out without a doubt, we want him to win the senate race. he was a great governor of maryland. he's talking to his constituents and his base. and i hope i want to maryland goes down votes from because he's just a great guy. he really is. we might not agree on everything politically, right? sometimes i don't agree with his day humans, i'm sure he doesn't always agree with mine, but he was a great governor of maryland and i have no doubt he's going to be a great senator of maryland and finally, sir, will you accept the results of the 2024 presidential election, regardless of who wins? of course, yeah, you know why? because even when we have recounts, even when there's questions at individual states, we get the right result, right? 2020 biden won, we got the right zone. there was a peaceful transfer of power as bad as january 6 was come january 20th, joe biden was sleeping in the white house and he had earned it. he had earned those votes but come 2024, again, you'll have my guess is either side, you'll have recounts in questions in here and there. we just know that's probably going to happen, but we'll work through it in those two months and i have no doubt that the winner will be in the white house on january 20. >> some of these vice-presidential prospects have not been willing to be as straightforward as you were just there about accepting the results. do you think they should be more straightforward on something like election integrity? i think you've got to be very straightforward. i do. and i don't know who's saying what and who was vying to be vice president and all that kind. >> that's a bunch of nonsense to me. i'm looking at what's happening on the ground. i want america to be in a better place and you guys how to make sure that the election is held true. each state manages their own process in terms of recounts and all of that, each state got through a tough time in 2020, but got it right at the end of the day, republicans and democrats figured it out and made sure that the results were verified. and i have no doubt that's going to happen again in 24 all right. >> chris sununu, governor, very grateful for your time today. thanks very much for being with us you bet. >> thanks. >> all right. donald trump is catching up with joe biden in a very important metric. we'll talk about it when my panel join us next. >> the most anticipated moment of this election and the stakes couldn't be higher. the president and the former president, one day to moderated by jake tapper and dana bash, the cnn presidential debate thursday, june 27th, nine live on cnn and streets mean unpacks my de insurers, uncomfortable. dracula, let's wait back against discomfort with new polygraph power max hold and convert. it has superior hold plus keeps his comfy all day with it's pressure absorbing layer diane photo if you're now codon, it would ask for a new group. does in my bag like a bunch of groceries. are these cheese and greens just contemplate freedom you can take your eyes off the new 2024 jeep wrangler gladiator sheep. there's only one top off this memorial day with 2000 bonus cash allowance. i'm 2020 jeep wrangler gas-powered models and cheap gladiator. stop by your local dealer for a test drive and experience open-air freedom today whether you're doing it yourself from hiring a pro today, let's paint. maybe pair exclusively at the home depot new central menopause supplements help unpause life when symptoms posit with a multivitamin in plus my flash support daily z for quality sleep and an extra for focus and clarity. centrum powered by clinically studied ingredients okay, ready to washington one second. >> i got to finish my laundry it's girls night. >> one second. i use rents was rents to the company that will pick up wash fold, and deliver your laundry, dry cleaning at the touch. but i do not trust other people with my laundry rinse guarantees or satisfaction i've been using it for months now. no issues okay. let's watch this weight. >> i'm gonna do my laundry better, hurry gun. >> all scheduled. >> sign up for rinsing, rinse.com to get $20 off your first order compared with other choose one verb recto tube protects from fleas and ticks for 12 weeks. nearly three times longer used with caution in dogs with a history of seizures or noorullah logical disorders, protection that last longer bravo recto bravo. the all new temper p-adic adapt actress was designed to help me aches and pains. a thing of the past, because only temporary material eases your pressure points in a way, no other mattress can, for a limited time save up to $500 on select temper p-adic adjustable mattress sets have heart failure with unresolved symptoms. >> it may be time to see the bigger picture. heart failure and seemingly unrelated symptoms like carpal tunnel syndrome shortness of breath and irregular heartbeat could mean something more serious, called att rcm are rare under-diagnosed disease that worsens over time. sound like you call your cardiologist and ask about attr cm. >> so once the coyotes as 5475 well, that's all working. needs to we're gonna get into what's not welcome presenting with her, say you are a valued customer presented div we can go in the window meanwhile at a vrbo when other vacation rentals leave you hanging w to and groundwater dot ok. stay dot edu i'm are left saenz at the white house. >> and this is cnn get it a scam and the republican party is really, they've stuck, they stick together in this they see what's it's weaponization of the justice department has reckless dangerous. >> it's irresponsible. >> brandon wanted to say this was greg just because they don't like the verdict all right. >> our panel is with us now, bacardi sellers scott jen name is kristen salts, the sanderson and congressman jake aacn clause of massachusetts. thank you all for being here today. we've had some spirited discussions already and i do want to start with what we heard from the president this morning, scott, where he suggested that there would be a breaking point where he to be sentenced to jail time. >> what did you get into the president's statement there? and what do you think we would see in the event he is sent to prison well, first of all, i think he's right. >> i think people would be i mean, republicans would go crazy. they're already going crazy, but this would be a level of intensity that i am not sure we can exactly described today, but i honestly think they ought to do it. i mean, look, the core of this case was that it was a campaign finance violation. so agreed that it might have changed the outcome of a presidential election. so if you actually believe that don't want to, just lock him up. why don't you just want me just play it out and put your logical thinking. >> i don't know why scott is looking at me this one i think because i think democrats or tip toeing around the toe something where it's a toy tip toeing around the tulips, which is a new one for me. >> but the fact is your candidate for president of the united states decided to cheat on his wife by sleeping was like, wow, she was no, definitely not while she was while she was pregnant by sleeping with a porn star violated campaign finance laws and then then committed fraud and bookkeeping that's a fact now. and he's a felon now. and so what should we lock him up? i actually don't think so. it's a class e misdemeanor. >> so i'm sorry, the republican is saying lock him up it's not my only point is that it's not a class a misdemeanor and so he's gonna get a fine and get probation all the histrionics. they are what they are. but for republicans to be tied in this, not about the fact that somehow the criminal justice system is unfair, is rich. i said this before, but when cao rittenhouse was found not guilty, everybody said, just trust the jury system when george zimmerman was found not guilty, we had to trust the justice system. and now all of a sudden because you don't like the outcome, we don't trust the justice system anymore. i just find it to be rich irony congressman, let me get you in here because i do think there also is this bigger question of the impact of this on what is very, very close election. >> there is new at cbs pulling out this morning that shows and they were testing this in the wake, immediate wake of this verdict coming out, and they found that 51% of americans say no, trump is not fit to be president. now that he's convicted just 40% say yes, he is 8% are not sure in this poll and yet the numbers, the top line numbers for support in this race are incredibly, incredibly close. do you think this is gonna make the difference if democrats effectively campaign on it as we should. >> this comes down to the resonance of law and order with haley voters in the heartland, donald trump this weekend has threatened another january 6, when he aided and abetted cop killers. and that's another data point in a fact pattern. now of the republican party jettisoning lawn older, they are voting against border security legislation that was endorsed by the border patrol agents. they are trying to defund the fbi. they're trying to surge guns into our classrooms and on our streets and democrats have an opportunity here to reclaim the initiative online order, and earn voters trust on this issue. and win the election on this issue. >> crystal, essentially, you talked to voters all the time. is he right about that message resonating? >> well, i know voters do want lawn order. they do want things like a secure border. they do not trust joe biden right now too. provide them. and so i think the big question for me coming out of this verdict and how everybody responds to it is i think it is very possible for democrats to overplay their hand on this donald trump has said this is a democratic attack on me to try to influence the election. the more joe biden comes out and talks about this. the more that feeds into donald trump's exact argument that this is all political. >> what would joe biden said was we have to respect the integrity of the judicial system when you contrast that with what speaker mike johnson said, which was i'm basically going to lean on my supreme court friends to overturn this a gross abuse of the separation of powers. i think that lawn order contrast is actually quite sharp for the american public. again, it doesn't have 40%, 5% have to see this wedge now of one party upholds lawn order and one party is out there voting against border security legislation and trump hi to defund the fbi. >> i'm a little i'm a little surprised to hear you invoke the respect for the justice system because within a 24 hour period, joe biden says we have to respect the judicial system, absolute respect and yet he tweets and the centerpiece of all of his speeches right now is the supreme court tried to stop me, but i did it anyway on student loans, so i'm just wondering which part of the judicial system do we have to respect what which ones are good and which ones are just as a point of law here, the supreme court ruled that his use of the heroes act in 2003 was illegal. he did not use the heroes we can use a different disease, just kept going because he upheld the supreme court's ruling and founding member, does it not offend you that the prezi united states is usurping. >> i would i would argue that i would argue that the offense here probably his is donald trump and the fact that it's a party, it's a party running on law and order to your point i'm not so certain we should run on this particular issue. i'm not so certainly we should go out here and be touting the conviction of donald trump, per say. but you're right. we have to reclaim issues such as law and order because that is a pervasive issue that voters actually care about, is the president being aggressive enough? >> the president is going to draw a sharp contrast as a stable hand on foreign policy, as a capable steward of an economy that has seen 15 million jobs and 18 million new businesses open and inflation fall by 60% since the pandemic, he's an take the taught on this, on this thing, on this convicted felon thing, there are there are progressives in your party saying he's not going far enough, he's not hitting it hard enough president has a sense of responsibility to the integrity of the judicial system to say, first and foremost, what out of the gate we must uphold the rule of law and that contrast the actions are going to resonate lab than the words. let's watch what or listen, i should say to what governor chris christie of new jersey, who has been a sharp trump critic, although we also was at one point in his career, a friend about the impact this verdict could have much it's not just what impact it will have on voters. >> that's important, but it's what impact it will have on him because he will get angrier and angrier and more paranoid in i don't think that makes him an attractive candidate to the very narrow swath of voters that he has to try to win in order to get the presidency back it seems to me, scott, that it seems to me that honest republicans will acknowledge when i speak to them privately that keeping the president on a message that the campaign wants him to be on, that his advisers want them to be on is the key to him winning. >> it's not what we saw from him when he went to trump tower throughout his teleprompter is and spent half an hour kind of airing grievances is kristie right about this? >> i mean, he look i'd be mad to have some alleged sex. i had in 2,600 a alleged shebang on the brink of rikers 18 years, 18 years ago in this guy's looking at possible prison next month at the hands of these democrats in new york. i mean, i'd be mad now as a campaign matter, he still has a strong hand to play if he'll play it. the economy, people hated the border, people hate it. joe biden may think he's too old. there's a strong hand to play. i feel play it. >> yes. i agree that if he stays on those messages, things will be good for him because the reality is, there are some very early polls coming out. i would encourage people not to read too much into them for a couple of weeks. and i say this as a pollster. but this race is very, very, very static. it is going to take something monumental to move it, because so many people believe that both of these men are unfit to be president. they believe that the economy is not doing well and that's why they don't trust joe biden and they don't like donald trump because they think keys. strange and chaotic. and i think this is what's leading america to say. i don't like either of these men, and that's why any poles in the short term trying to assess, well, does this verdict matter, et cetera? 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