house for $19 inside politics sunday with manu raju next on cnn criminal appeal there was a rigged trial. >> these are bad people. nobody's ever seen anything like it. >> trump's conviction injects uncertainty tie into the race don't get angry, don't get depressed, get even success is the best revenge. >> the former president faces potential prison time i ended tide of support. >> this is bigger than me. this is bigger than my presidency. >> how is this verdict reverberating nationwide? plus route reckless. reckless, dangerous. it's irresponsible for anyone to say this was greg, just because they don't like the verdict biden breaks his silence on the trial. >> can democrats capitalize on the conviction and one-on-one. former speaker kevin mccarthy joins us, lie in mixed h2a interview on the fallout from this week and the infighting plaguing the gop inside politics, the best reporting from inside the corridors power starts now good morning. thanks for joining us for inside politics sunday i'm on erasure which is five months to until election day. one of the major parties nominees is now a convicted felon, potentially facing prison time. but how much will that actually matter to swing voters in november? now one thing is clear, donald trump's base is all fired up in many gop lawmakers are falling in line. a trump racked up tens of millions of dollars in donations after that new york jury of 12 americans convicted him on all 34 felony counts in his hush money criminal trial. but one thing we do not know for sure this morning is whether it might influence undecided voters, especially on the margins in those key battleground states where the outcome could be razor thin now, new polling, taken shortly after the verdict came out, shows the biden-trump rematch actually remains neck and neck with no clear leader. and last night, trump was spotted in an ultimate fighting championship about in new jersey but he stayed off the campaign trail this weekend. although he did speak with fox news in an interview that this morning you decide to say, hey, house arrest or even jail. >> it couldn't face what that does. >> i'm okay with it. i one of my lawyers here today on television saying, oh no, you don't want to do that to the i don't get a bag for anything. you just the way it is. i don't know that the public would stand it i don't i'm not sure that the public would stand four with a house arrest for i think i think it'd be tough for the public to take it a certain point. there's a breaking point all right, let's break this all down with our great panel this morning. cnn's paula reid, susan glasser from the new yorker axis is hans nichols and tamar keith of npr. good morning, everybody. it's been busy, especially for you. you've been working nonstop, so it's great for you to be here to break down what's happening in this trial? trump in, that same interview was asked about whether or not he would take this to the supreme court directly, didn't quite answer about that, but this is all the political calendar the legal calendar is all converging cnn debate is on june 27th then there's a trump sentencing on july 11 that is just four days before the republican national convention. you talked to them legal team all the time. paola, what is your sense of how they're playing two pursue this appeal and whether the sentencing date i'll try to ask to move it. >> so it's interesting. i'm seeing a shift in the past few days mean throughout the course of this trial, certainly the 2024 race was a factor, but you never heard todd blanche mentioned it in court? yes, he mentioned it and litigation about moving in the trial. and of course, in the gag order litigation. but inside that courtroom, the 2024 race was not a factor. now, going forward through the appeals and sentencing, it is the factor because some of his political advisers believed that having this sentencing just a few days before the convention is ideal to help continue to frame him as a martyr, but his legal team is going it'd be bogged down, dealing with the classified documents case and a big hearing on that in late june. so it's unclear right now if they're going to move to try to postpone that july 11 sentencing is real quickly on that. if the appeals process plays out, do we expect that could get settled before the election? >> i've nets a tight timeline given the process in new york, i don't think it will be settled before the november election. again, this is the only criminal trial he's going to face before the november election. but there are some legitimate questions to be appealed here. do i think the entire case will be overturned? that's a long shot, but there are absolutely issues to raise one big questions, of course, is what this means for voters come november, there was a flash poll taken, right after the verdict. >> there's a lot more polling. we'll see what that actually means. this one pull from a reuters ipsos about how people would vote 14% of republicans say they wouldn't vote for trump with the conviction, there were 58% of independents, of course let's get going to be the key number to watch come november, there was a shift though, among republicans pretrial versus post-trial, 24% before the trial. so they would now have over dropping his convicted. that's down for just 14% now. so clearly there's been a shift among republicans falling in line, but ultimately, where the swing voters fall you know manner it's it's a familiar pattern now, after eight years in which republicans asked in a generic sense, is this unthinkable? they say absolutely yes, this is unthinkable. we can never do it. how could we have a president in the united states who does this? then trump does exactly the unthinkable thing and they find ways, at least millions of them do so to rationalize and justify. so i'm not surprised that those numbers have gone down the question is, even if there's one or two or 3% of republicans for whom the label of convicted felon is absolutely unacceptable. remember, retirements such a close election here that it really matters only in a few key battleground states it's not going to be 17% of republicans who abandoned donald trump. now, after everything that we've already seen, the question i have is whether there's enough who simply can't stomach the idea of having a convicted felon as the president of the united states in the question has been also about how the white house president biden was dealing is we've seen a shift and that's they'd been quiet. biden said virtually nothing about this criminal trial, then they've campaigns and a bunch of surrogates out to new york, including robert de niro to attack trump. and then there was the president making statements on friday after the verdict came out saying it was reckless to criticize such a verdict. but there's a real debate within the democratic party about how far korda go, whether to embraces what are the campaign on the fact that they are running against a convicted felon. just a good debate among some key people in the democratic party, doug jones, a former senator, telling political, i don't think there's anything to lose and a lot to gain because i'm convinced as a swath of people out there who are going to be very troubled at this point and haven't really completely founded wondering about it all of a sudden this is a game changer suggesting that perhaps they should embrace it. that's what democratic strategists james carville also told the new york times so you cover the windows terminal? >> i do what is the biden campaign thinking about how to embrace this or what are they just going to let the chips fall where they may yeah. i mean, i think that there is a divide among democrats about how hard to lean into this. >> the way the biden campaign sees it, is that this is one point in a larger case that they don't think that they can just make their message convicted felon. >> that's not enough. >> and so they they need to make it part of this larger question of democracy. >> and trump's position on abortion and some of these other issues that they are trying to drive leading into that first debate. they don't think that they can just sit back and say, oh, yeah this is going to come because no, it's firing up the base obviously. but the question is those those those like zombie nikki haley, voters who voted for her in pennsylvania, even though she wasn't running any look, if they win, some of them biden loses. the one of the things that people will say should he have been talking about these criminal trials earlier or at all? >> look, i suspect if biden loses the monday morning quarterbacking will be just you know, it'll be everything. right. and there will be a variety of decision points and we can can, we can gain that out later. i think tanno, two things can be true one, the president isn't going to totally lean into this. and i suspect we'll eventually here from the campaign or hear more from the campaign, the two words that we're all discussing, which is convicted felon, how much will they lean into that? but the other part that could be true is that the president can continue to do what he did on friday, which is talk about trump's reaction. he's not actually getting into the weeds of the trial. he's not actually making a judgment on the case. he's talking about how the president is reacting i think one way to look at this is how biden is thinking about it in terms of when they talk about the case, they talk about oh, this is really about democracy in influence. this wasn't just a hush money case, and that's the main point that you want. you're going to hear from the biden campaign is that this isn't hush money. this is about democracy, this is about still feeling an election. this is about what they want to make 2024 about, not just this case, and they tie it into the broader narrative and it can they reach out to some of those disaffected voters who are just tuned out of politics, who could decide the election that's one of the things that's been a dynamic that's been playing out as they've been looking at. this is a neat cone of the new york times reports at the polls have shown donald trump with an edge for a straight months, but there's one big flashing warning signs suggesting that his advantage might not be as stable as it looks that warning sign his narrowly built on gains among voters who are not paying close attention to politics who don't fall traditional news and who don't regularly vote. so will they be convinced by this or will they be doing things like what biden is doing? on tuesdays, announcing executive actions on the border, they're trying to focus on some of those other issues. how will those voters? obviously it's hard to cast won. say, one fell swoop, say how these all people who vote, but what is the right strategy for the biden campaign to get those votes? >> well, i think this is the question in many ways, this election, how do you break through to people who have tuned out by the way, across the political spectrum in this country. i think it's almost media consumption. you could argue that is the defining kind of demographic question. the people who are just getting their news from social media at this point have very different political bove use it turns out, then the rest of america, but i think i'm watching whether and how the idea of a conviction does break through. there certainly anecdotal evidence to suggest that people obviously we're not watching this on tv. it wasn't on tv, but that this idea of the conviction did break through. but just one important point it seems to me is that it's not just, well, how's biden doing? how's the trump people doing reacting to this like the escalation and the radicalization that we've seen this week. it is a historic moment to have a former president in the united states convicted and then the response which has been something different, a full-out attack on the legal system itself that's different than what we've seen even in 2016 and 2020 from trump and his supporters in paul before we get a break. now, as we get into the sentencing discussion trump's been attacking one merge on the judge relentlessly, does that factor in do they get some are john's decision? >> look, my law license is a little desk de but it is not a good idea. attack, judge, who is about to sentence you i think juan merchan understands who he is dealing with. i don't think personal attacks are going to factor in a lack of remorse of violations of the gag order. his overall conduct throughout this trial that will likely factor in, but i don't think juan merchan takes things too personally and understands the learner calculus or absence. one thing you advise your client not to do attacked the judge will say. >> all right, next, it might surprise you to learn how some of the country he's most vulnerable republicans are talking about the trump conviction plus former speaker kevin mccarthy joins me live for an exclusive interview. >> how does he see what's happening this party, right? 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just seeing is that there are though these vulnerable republicans, some of them are not saying a word about it. what they're able to come back to session next week. but there are some who are not afraid to align themselves with donald trump or align themselves with their messaging, including some vulnerable new york republicans who will determine their fate, will determine whether or not the republican state in the majority, a handful of them, they're right there. mike lawler, anthony, just d'esposito liquid alotta had various levels of criticism about the verdict that's that's i guess that's kind of interesting, right? if you'd like, you think a convicted felon at the top of the ticket, if you're in a swing district, you'd run away from it. but these members my most those reported most republicans are on the record where they are in donald trump, the republicans that represent trump districts have had to face these questions. these are biden distribution, excuse me, my mistake. biden districts. i misspoke into by districts to me. i think it's an interesting question what they do. i think it's also what's going to happen in the senate where you have tester and brown who both represent states that trump clearly one and they been pretty silent as well. and i suspect this is your urgent task when they arrived when they're back, i suspect there's going to be a capital that reported that we all know that who has the microphone and you have a camera and it will play around the whole and we'll put those and we'll put those those centers on the record because that to me is it's more interesting simply because republicans have dealt with this really since the beginning of the trump era. i mean, i suspect when former speaker mccarthy's here trump would say something are more likely he would tweet something and republicans would have to respond and they have a muscle memory at this point, it's not that difficult for them most of them, which is to say all of them have just decide to say that it's donald trump. i'm with them. yeah. >> you mentioned those two senators, brown and tested. we do statements that they gave allowed to m the aftermath of this this verdict we know saying they respect the judicial process that we're certainly not embracing it. it does show you the line that they are walking these vulnerable members. that'll grads in these red states. they want to make it about a cantilevers candidate issue. they don't want to talk about trump, even if they may turn off trump's verdict may turn off some swing voters. >> yeah, they they they want to talk about how they are a perfect match for their state and how they are, they're going to run. they're going to run their race their hi time. >> they've gotten their buzz cut, whatever his here, that it's called. >> but no, they are they are focused on on their race and not on trump because talking about trump might motivate their base, but guess what, they're basing their states is too small to win. >> they, they need to just be you know, yeah, senator brown, who you've known for years, and they also need split ticket voters, of course, and that is a real, real problem. >> it doesn't happen that much these days. >> there is an open question of whether they even still exists absolute outside of main speaking, as someone who's a split ticket voter it needs one, larry hogan. >> he's the a former maryland governor. >> he can actually pick up a democratic seat in a blue state. >> he'd said simply, let's respect the verdict. he put out this statement, but right before the verdict was announced said, urge all americans respect the verdict it seems middle of the road. okay. what am oh, here's chris lacivita, one of the top aides to the former president. you just ended your campaign he posted it just shows you how some of these members are in a tough spot if they want to just you take the high road no such thing you know, my new i appreciate you pointing that went out because to me, it more than anything else sums up like if it's controversial, the old cliche is like, i never thought i would be nostalgic for a politician seeing comforting much. >> but let's be real. it is a sign of our times that we've gotten to the point where other republicans are ganging up on a former governor of maryland for saying this system works. we should respect the work of this jury and the work of this court. and i do think that it's important to take a breath, not everybody is living inside the news cycle here let's appreciate for a moment that we're at a place where the republican party institutionally has decided to become so wrapped up in the fate of one particular individual. they are willing to attack the system itself. and that's something that none of us have ever seen but larry hogan annuity is doing it, right? i mean, he had that statement well-drafted, well-prepared, right. and i mean, that was clearly wants to create separation between himself and donald trump and chris lacivita, who i suspect didn't get any approval for that, is just like not right i do think there is a constructive way for republicans and trump allies to go after this case. you can point out the fact that it was only brought after alvin bragg face considerable political pressure, right? the so-called zombie case that many other prosecutors had passed on, cases nearly 10-years-old and trump lawyers will be the first people to tell you there was no way he was going to get acquitted did by a manhattan jury. and there are a lot of legitimate questions about political pressure on elected district attorney's, how that can impact us in the future. but throwing the entire legal system out based on this, yeah, that's a bridge too far. >> it's interesting you mentioned about that because yes jim jordan, who is the house judiciary committee chairman, is calling on alvin bragg and another prosecutor in the case to come testify on june 13. others are going trump allies are going after i'm hard and the senate, senator mike lee and others are saying that they want to hold up everything, all action in the senate and out of protest about what's happening here, and then some it is time for a full on retribution, like congressman ronny jackson as a member of congress and for many of my colleagues again, just changed yesterday. it absolutely changed what's good for the goose is good for the gander, and going to encourage all of my colleagues and everybody that i have any input it's over as a member of congress to aggressively go after the president and his entire family, his entire crime family, for all of the misdeeds that are out there. right now related to this family? >> i mean, that's the deal talking about the reservation. yeah. it's amazing that this person wants served in the white house of the united states. >> yeah, look, i mean, this all comes to as the president, the united states is another issue, is sudden is facing a criminal trial starting this week, you'll covering that for us. paula, how do you sense that will play out? how quickly will verdict reach? how strong of a case does the prosecution now? >> so this is the first of two criminal prosecutions at hunter biden will face over the next six months. this case is related to the participant gun or prosecutors alleged that he failed to disclose that but he was an addict at the time he purchased it later on in the year. he's expected to face a separate criminal trial at tax charges, bullet, these were supposed to be resolved with a plea deal that imploded. and it's interesting you hear from a hunter biden's defense attorneys, a lot of things you hear from trump's defense attorneys and the ones that, you know, play attorneys on tv arguing that this is election interference, that he would not be charged with this if his name, last name was not biden, we expect this could go several days, maybe even two weeks. it depends really how long it takes to seat a jury, because you can imagine the challenge and wilmington, delaware of finding people who have no connection, right? or no opinion in about the bidens is unclear what the outcome will be here, but there's a lot of tension between the special counsel and hunters defense lawyers. >> it will be nowhere near as as prominent as the trump trial, but a lot of similar themes. and how does this where on biden president biden? yes, president biden is very close to hunter biden. they talk all the time this weekend. they're rehoboth beach as a family, riding bikes and president biden will actually be in france when the trial, when the jury selection begins, he'll be on his way to france for a? state visit and to commemorate d-day. but the president, i have a he has told me this directly, that if a child of his rings on the phone, he drops everything that has been his standard mo going back to when he was in the senate because car accident that killed part of his family and hunter is his surviving son from then we'll see if he ways it on the verdict when it is reach. all right. thanks for that guys coming up. former house speaker kevin mccarthy joins me lie. i'll bless next for trump publican party. and his thoughts on how a successor has been handling his old role stayed to russia. >> we're trying to by on us. we were spying on them. >> i was already friday this is a the secret. >> war. >> secrets and spies, a nuclear game premiers tonight years tonight at ten won't see it if we weren't proud of the craftsmanship and level of detail that go into every pair of warby parker glasses well, we probably wouldn't show you how they're made including this part which is our favorite wow this is also great. each pair comes standard with lenses that are scratch resistant anti reflective and uv protective try five peers for free at warbyparker my husband and i own a growing beverage company. we rely on e-commerce and digital tools to we build our business and launch new products thanks to american investments in ai, we're using this technology to run our business more efficiently artificial till intelligence is a game changer. but i'm excited that the us is leading the world in its development. our leaders should continue to protect america's competitive edge to strengthen small businesses like ours and us bank. >> when we say we're with you, we mean it not just for the good stuff the grand opening celebrations. >> oh, for all the hard work he took to get there. we are in for all of it it's tough for sure, but less tough when you have the right people by your side hi, kayla from kansas city, and thousands of other bankers around the country because together we're proving there's nothing is powerful as the power of us i got this thousand dollar camera for only $41 on deal dash, deal dash.com online auctions since 2009, this playstation five sold for only $0.50 this ipad pro sold for less than $34 and this men tend to switch, sold for less than $20 deals like these and many more happen in the thousands of daily auctions on deal dash.com. all auction start at $0 and remember, everything must go i got this kitchen aid stand mixer for only $56. i got this barbecue smoker for 26 bucks. >> and you know what? 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is it a good idea that that donald trump is the nominee? the answer is 100% yes. well, donald trump win this presidency. the answer is yes and its interests. i was watching the earlier part of your michelle and i get it. the verdict has just come in and the question is, should an even have gone to trial the majority of americans understand that if donald trump did not run for president, this never woven gun for trial, the de a before decided not to do this. the department of justice decided not to do this the fec said there was no problem hello, you have a statue of limitations, you have a judge that wasn't selected at random, was actually selected. you've tried it in the second most biden county in the entire nation, you have the rulings within the judge to the instructions to the jury, which people continue to question so is it politically motivated? yes. what still but the end result is still conviction. right. so i'm asking about the political impact because 12 americans hold on, hold before it doesn't top americans on a jury did come to that decision yes, it's firing up the base. but what about independent voters? what about the suburban voters are going to be so critical there are you not concerned? all right, that this could turn off women voters, for instance i think this is the part that cnn is missing. this is a reelection of joe biden for president an npr poll says that the majority of americans, 53% to 42 of just independence, not republicans or democrats believe another four years of joe biden is a threat to democracy? joe biden is running on democracies on the ballot. biden economics, these are the two driving things that people are opposed to. do people want four more years of this. this is where people are missing. really what is going on with american public. they're concerned about the border you know massachusetts does not have one republican in congress for massachusetts, but you know what? the state of emergency the governor selected a massachusetts, the border. you talk to the mayor of new york, the governor new york. it'll be the border inflation. >> so you're basically saying you're saying this is not going to matter to voters and calmness. not as much as i can. i'll put an asterisk there because it's still new. >> people will have some concerns about it, but it's not going to determine this election. i think at the end of the day democrats have overplayed their hand and it happens in world history when someone persecutes a political enemy simply because there are political enemy, it usually backfires on them and it creates a movement. but an early indication if you go for the amount of money raised, just look at the cheery out that the president that's on the base, that's the base. i'm talking about. >> i'm telling you i want to ask before you go on, let me i was just traveling california raising money for the party in all the cities and i was with people who did not support trump. >> i was people who gave money against trump and republicans. and unspoken to me. they said i'm giving to trump this is unbelievable. what's happening? it's pushing has been all the other veronica ask you though, about just the underlying allegations of this trial. lucky? >> allegedly paid off a porn star to keep an extramarital affair. >> quiet. >> does that conduct concern you look, i think people knew about this before the last election. >> i don't think this is something they didn't know that he painted are off. okay. but from this standpoint, if you go with this premise that this is something illegal what was in the law that this broke then you would go back and should hillary clinton be tried because she paid a law firm to create a fictitious russia issue. >> and i'm not talking to i know you're not talking about that, but but the american public is going to look at all this is, this isn't just a cnn question. you're asking. what does american public look at? you had you had joe biden go out and tear of the american public that the laptop wasn't true. you had this network, say, a dubious doubtful about it. i mean, people put it in perspective was this politically motivated that you even took them to court about this? the answer is one. well, i wanted i want you to listen to what your predecessor paul ryan says about former president i understand the binary argument. >> it's a reasonable argument. i just don't agree with that argument i just characters to board and it's a job that requires the kind of character that he just doesn't have. he's talking about trump. he says it's not about policy essentially. it says one character. he says it's about character. why don't you agree? look, i would because everybody is entitled to their own opinion and you know what i've served with both presents with president trump and president biden, and i'm making a decision on what's best for the country. >> we didn't have inflation, we didn't have war in europe. >> we didn't have five embassies evacuated. we didn't have 13 goldstar families by miss decision in afghanistan. we didn't have this new axis of evil that we haven't seen from the 1930s, pushing but it's time i'm wondering character centers, but there's a whole support and is there a character matter when you say biden used his own power to tell the american public that the laptop was not true, that biden use now that through the secretary of state to go 251 people in the intel community former cia directors, to tell the american public that that wasn't sure you're concerned about use character there, but not cared about trump, but i'm weighing it all. i'm being consistent. you're being inconsistent and this if you listen, think for one moment you're saying only character matters and you're only going after trump people are human in this place of where we go. this is a decision an issue that, people knew about since 2016. so they voted on it. you're going back to something ten years. so if character matters, would you put somebody up on trial just because they're your political enemy? i think that matters into care. i wouldn't want to because obviously you have aligned yourself with the former president after january 6, you were on the floor of criticizing him. >> you went down to mar-a-lago about week or so later, you people say that helped rehab ham set them on the trajectory to where we are today. when you look back at that moment, do you believe that helped donald trump move back, move rehab, bring it back to acceptance about moore's establishment republicans. >> i don't know if i was all powerful if it rehab them and because i was with them, that that's not a negative thing. i mean, i think people rehab is a positive understanding of where people are regardless of where they are, whatever happened in their lives. so you're making me that powerful, i guess. >> so. i mean, you are that's me. the house, so yeah. well, you were almost as meager allows them. >> but then the majority of you did that's true trump has not said if you would accept the results of the election, do you think they'll be shot? 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>> this function, you see the dysfunction. >> what i they all do for different things. >> i mean, the one liter, it's just trying to protect themselves because i'm an ethics committee and so that's not what it's all about. yeah yeah. >> but you are working with republican outside trying to oust turn defeat some of these members in their primaries. and gates being one of them. >> or you want to political vengeance tour. no. >> i know you guys tried to say that. >> now last week i went to los angeles, orange county, san diego raising money for the republic party. >> i've been out, but it wasn't easy building this majority when i was elected leader, nancy pelosi was elected speaker. we want a majority by five when we're republicans in the senate lost both cycles republican governors, legislators we want five new seats in california, five in new york. i'm proud of that fact and it's a tough majority within there. >> this cycle it's easier for republicans to win this cycle than the last two cycles. and we want both. but you want gates to lose clearly you're supporting as well. >> why do you want him out just because it's simply because he led the charge to know. i just don't think gates as a conservative. i mean, if you think about it, if there's anybody who should go to trial, i mean, gates's one who should be convicted at the trial. >> what he said, well, we all know the challenge jerry, you can't sleep with under age women and thank you, can get away with it. he denies that. >> well, the women don't. and so there's people in jail because of it. and i think that's a place that people share the court. i just don't think that is an individual should be represented in congress, but i don't think the constituents would want that either. >> now, trump has endorsed him and nancy mace, who is another one of those republicans who voted dallas to you are you disappointed that the former president, the people in that district couldn't make those decisions i saw president trump and joist state senator john maguire and navy seal and virginia against bob good. i think that's a very important race, especially a navy seal. john maguire, state senator in virginia. that's served as countries willing to serve again, but he's trying to help some of the people who pushed you out. >> that's all right. everybody has their own opinion. >> i just want to get back down. the mike johnson front. he did realize relied on democrats to pass a lot of his agenda do you think that he can remain as speaker in the next congress yeah. >> listen to remain speaker. you got to keep the majority. so you've got to expand the majority and the one thing if you look at the last two cycles, all these political pundits said we would lose seat the last time biden was on the ballot. everybody projected that i would lose 15 seats. they got to party. he got the number right. but the party wrong. it was the first time since 1994? no republican laws. >> but do you think that he might johnson isn't effective speaker. >> he's doing the best job we can as he goes through this, it's not an easy job, but winning seats solves a lot of problems. >> remember, joe biden won the last presidency by 48,918 votes its favor ability was plus ten. >> it's -20. now, before people would say they're six to seven swing states. now, this has expanded. if you looked at the virginia and new hampshire there now tied in the presidential race minnesota looks like it's in play. >> you look at the youth vote is now with trump. >> you look at the hispanic vote and the black american vote. this is an opportunity for republicans. they even the expand further than they had before. they've got open seats in michigan slotkin that we came close to winning we'll pick up that. so you spanberger will pick up that say, three seats in north carolina. we can pick up alaska. this could be a tendency games. >> so it sounds like you don't think that the push to oust you has heard the republican party now, look, it's an individual within their, the party is bigger than any individual i think you've got to have a party that could actually govern their in a disarray right now, you'll find, they'll find their groove and get back before we go. >> do you wonder you look back at your time is speaker. >> do you miss being speaker those do you want to be would you? rather be in that position? i was i was privileged to serve 17 years. >> it was an honor every single i loved every day i went even when you harassment you would hear miss that do take a little bit. >> no. i mean, there's a timing for everything. it was a privilege to serve. i would serve it. i would do everything. all hello. over again. >> i look at our accomplishments. even you say maybe as nine months we had a border security bill, we had energy independence, we had parents bill of rights. we had our biggest cut, american, but now they can't pass their agenda. so yeah, so maybe i was more effective than you thought all right? former speaker kevin mccarthy. thank you for joining me today. >> all right. >> up next, senator joe manchin declares independence from the democratic party. kadie jump back into politics dealing years after d-day, jake tapper talks to top generals about the state of democracy. are we protecting what we'd want? to save? >> there has been democratic backsliding around the world. are you concerned? 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