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Harder. We could its harder, but you know, if youre truly a skilled chef, you can grill that fish or how about some veggies thats also down on the list, but i like my healthier things unless its the jewish deli, in which case i go red meat, dairy engine. Youre skilled at everything you do enjoy your holiday weekend. You as well. My friend. All of you, please do enjoy the holiday as well. The news continues. The source with Kaitlan Collins starts now saving the source tonight, both donald trump and joe bidens campaigns are prepping for a verdict. The question thats still or mainz guilty. Or not guilty. We are potentially days away from knowing as the Presumptive Republican nominee, as lashing out on social media he calls himself helped the Law And Order president. But of all the people to invite on stage last night, donald trump picked two rappers who are awaiting trial on murder, conspiracy charges we have the details. Also, three missionaries who were gunned down in haiti, including a married couple from the United States. For learning new details of their tragic deaths. And well speak with one of the victims fathers tonight. Im kaitlin collins, and this is the source were really finding ourselves on the cusp of history tonight. Because by this time next week, we may finally know whether or not donald trump will be a convicted felon, or whether a jury of his peers here in manhattan will find him not guilty. Its hard to think of a more memorable or really a more stressful Memorial Day Weekend. Its hard to even imagine what its like for this jury that is made up of seven men and five women, all 12 of whom are about to decide the former president s fate. Both the defense and the prosecution are now preparing for their Closing Arguments that theyll deliver this coming to tuesday. And weve just learned tonight that both parties now having their hands, the Jury Instructions. Its a crucial document given its what jurors will hear from the judge before they begin to deliberate and make their decision. Itll outline what they should consider when theyre determining if trump is indeed guilty or not. And all of that is certainly on the former president s mind tonight, its not hard to tell because he is posting up a storm about the case. And one post tonight, hes ranting that the judge blocked him from having an Election Expert testify. But thats not true. We were there. We witnessed this discussion that happened inside the courtroom. Trumps attorneys, in the end, chose not to call that Election Expert because the judge refused to broaden the scope of what he could testify to. He was worried it would become as the judge put it, a battle of the experts. As we know, trump also could have testified in his own defense here. He said that he would at the beginning, but in the end, he opted not to, as is his choice so what happens if trump is convicted next week . The possibility of prison time we know does exist, but prosecutors arent expected to ask that of the foreign president that he be taken into custody immediately if he is, of course, that is a big if tonight im joined by a pair of legal sources, retired new York City Criminal Court judge george girl. So and who has been sitting in that new york court . Ive seen him in there every single day that ive been in there as well as Jury Consultant or not us to beall who has been here many times as well. I mean, we are really in the final countdown of what weve been talking for six weeks about what these jurors have heard, what the two sides have argued when these Jury Instructions that both sayyed god, we confirmed last night, but the prosecution and the defense god what the judge heard. And you were in the room as they were arguing about this because its not something that got a lot of attention, but it may be one of the most important moments in this trial. What the jury is going to hear absolutely. Absolutely. From what i saw, i have not seen the final instructions, but from what i eyesore has been the case throughout Charge Merchan has been incredibly fair there was an issue if we there at the time of at the time of the conference i was there in the morning and afternoon, so there was an issue with respect to cause whether or not how the jury would be instructed on whether or not trump actually cause the Business Records to be falsified is important. Its crucial and what de was arguing for was the standard of reasonable foreseeability that based upon the generalized evidence that it could be concluded, that people acted in general ledgers and with respect to invoices based on what they thought trump wanted and the defense was arguing, well, that means the stanza is going to be caused. The causer and the judge indicated that he wasnt thrilled with the reasonably foreseeable standard and he was looking for a more clear cut causation. And assuming thats what he did, it just showed to me at the time that the judge was was listening to vaults tides and making indications that he was going to be fatter because it seemed like the prosecution was fine with a broader definition of what the jury was going to be presented with. Wild trumps attorneys wanted it to be pretty clear cut and specific, right . Heres heres the bad news for everyone and the judge did an excellent job of explaining the legal but xus i have watched hundreds, if not thousands, of jurors deliberate in Trial Simulations and mock trials and focus groups heres what happens they barely Pay Attention to the Jury Instructions. I know everybody says theyre crucial. First of all, they wont have a copy. And when we run simulations, we do mock juries. We give every juror a copy of the Jury Instructions you know how frequently they look at them. Almost never. Well, why dont they get a copy of that . Because under new york law, theyre not entitled to have an actual physical copy of the Jury Instructions. They can ask for read backs. They can ask for a copy of the statute but thats like if youre a student and youre taking a test, one of the most important test of your lifetime and the teacher is going to read you the prompt, but you dont physically get to look at the prompt . Correct. And you can take notes, but the notion that theyre going to have a real grasp on the legal issues that they need to decide is just a fiction. You over it so much. There are two lawyers on the jury. So that symbol lawyers theres still lawyers and i think they will uniquely appreciate the importance of the destruction of the instructions. But having said what i just said and taking into account your expert views, i think Donald Trumps defendant, trumps still has a major problem because even assuming that the judge did not go, judge with sean did not go with the reasonable foreseeable standard and the de is going to have to jump through more hoops with the general ledger aspect of the counts is 34 counts and then theres the theres the voucher. The vouchers that were submitted, the invoices, and then theres the checks. Right. But again, given that and given what you witnessed on as they were debating this, how does that shape . What, what is happening right now, which is what the problem . Prosecution is doing, and what the Defense Attorneys are doing to shape their Closing Arguments based on that, to tailor it to the dermis is what this is what nine of the counts on nine checks donald trump signed so on those nine counts anyway whether its reasonable foreseeable standard are more direct quasi he caused those nine if the jury believes the evidence, which i think is abundant when he signed each of those checks he was he was taking Direct Action to falsify the document. I think the only Jury Instruction that ive seen that is going to make any difference and it is very crucial is that the jurors do not have to be unanimous. As to the underlying crime that he was another another grace trying to conceal by falsifying. They dont have to be unanimous. So you could have three jurors think it was a tax crime. Three other jurors could think go as some new york election crime. Other jurors could think go was a federal Campaign Finance crimes its not typical, but weve never had a prosecution like this, so we have legal issues in this case that are untested. What they havent with appellate review. So, you know, i mean, even if he is convicted, this is going to go on and on and on. And of course, you could have a scenario where it gets convicted, loses the election and his conviction gets reversed on it. Theres a lot of permutations. But right now were looking at what we think is going to happen going into next week. And my fundamental point is i believe very strongly that the strongest of the 34 counts are the nine checks that donald trump sayyed for 35,000. He by the way listed on these checks as retainers when there was no no retainer. Furthermore, there is a very a piece of evidence in this case that if its not a smoking gun, its very close to a small number, 35 yes. Exhibit 35 were not just the handwriting of weisselberg, but its the banks statement because you talk about how important that is this jury, though, is just had a week off. They will by the time theyre back in the courtroom. I mean, theyre about to have the entire Memorial Day Weekend plans. I imagine how do they talk about those exactly how do they avoid not talking about this . Every they dont, they dont. This is very surprising to give a jury this amount of time to sort of marinate in the evidence before theyre going to come back here summations im being serious like theyre going to see friends and Family Members who are going to say, oh what have you been up to i know that their names are not known to the public to us, but obviously their friends, their families, their work colleagues, their neighbors Everybody Knows where they are. So even if theyre not violating the judges order, arent people going to say things to them, arent people may begin to say, you know, i hope you do the right thing. I hope you convict him even if they dont do any germs ever get caught, their was was to look things up there as just a research this case or watch tv about it, or go on social media. Do they were get caught actually having done that . However, of course, there have been circumstances where jurors havent been done the right thing and theyve been what there have been cases where jurors have been bought off now and things of that nature. I mean, weve a lot of things have happened in the amount of time that weve been trying cases in new york and around the United States, but i have to say ive been in that courtroom every day. I was there for all of Jury Selection i think this is a very diligent and dedicated jury and judge judge merchan had a Master Stroke in the beginning when he had like the first panel of 96 jurors and he said, anybody who doesnt think they can be fair, this isnt the case for you. Raise your hand right there. Half the jurors left, but i just want to finish. So i believe that the jury that was ultimately selected is a dedicated jury. Theyre paying attention to everything. I havent taken a lot of notes, but im watching them and every time i look at them, theyre all zone on then i think theyre going to go another way. If they hear people talking about this over the weekend, i think they are going to do everything they can to be buttoned up. And i think they respect the judge. A temptation is there for us. Theres a huge crossover notice to bill fascinating few days for them. And so we, will be watching it all closely. 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Monday, that aid on cnn some Breaking News just in tonight as we are learning that the Special Counsel, jack smith and his prosecutors are now asking a federal judge in florida for a Gag Order On Former President Donald Trump in the classified documents case what they want is to limit his ability to comment about Law Enforcement that searched his maralago resort two years ago, the request is a first in this case, but here is the important context. It comes after the for president and many of his republican allies have been repeatedly exaggerating and falsely criticizing the vi for the views of deadly force policy that was in place during that search of his maralago resort for the classified documents after he did not turn them over and in response to a subpoena, now, we saw Attorney General Merrick Garland pushing back on this this we can talking about how dangerous he believes it is because of course this is a standard Greeting Procedure for the fbi when this search happens, they actually went into maralago with a much lighter presence than it had been authorized by a Search Warrant that was authorized by a Magistrate Judge in the state of florida. They did not have their guns drawn and they were not wearing fbi shirts instead, werent normal clothes. But that is hasnt stopped the former president from repeatedly going on social media and targeting these Law Enforcement officers who were there, of course, they have their names given, they have the documents theyve been redacted in the filings that we have seen. But this is a notable first in this case, we have our legal experts back here with us as this news its just breaking. And judge, this isnt trumps first time with a gag order. Well see if it actually gets authorized. But but it is remarkable that jack smith feels the need to ask for this because its not just trump. Weve also seen senator ted cruz, Marjorie Taylor greene, all of these republicans going after and saying it jumps fundraising, saying that theyd authorized for the fbi to assassinate him, right . I mean, im reading these documents here as you are so i was a judge almost 13 years before that, i was nypd for 30 years so reading this not only as a judge, but as a proud former member of warrant for this is outrageous. I mean, just reading from the document the next day, trump publicly claimed he was just shown reports that crooked joe bidens doj and theyre illegal Constitution Raid Marrow Lag man well kept, authorized. The fbi, the use deadly, lethal force. Trump also sent an email stated that government was authorized in all caps to shoot me. Now, im thinking this through and im obviously drawing the parallel to what judge merchan was just it has been dealing with in the new york trial to protect witnesses and the jury and everybody else involved in this process, though sooner or later . I would imagine in this case, fbi agents are going to be called to testify. People going to know who they are. Now this isnt just some crank that trump. This is somebody who just put something on truth, social. He brags about it. Millions of people see it simultaneously there are a subset of people in that group, have potentially a dangerous there. Theyre going to take this and believed this so i think jack smith from what im seeing is absolutely right. And i think that judge cannon should take it quite seriously. Hes right to pursue this she should take it seriously and im thinking in terms of a formal Lauren Enforcement Officer has much as im thinking in terms of a judge, as i look at this now, those Law Enforcement officers were just doing their jobs sandbox, i want to get your thoughts on this as well. We also have joining us by phone, katelyn polantz, who is a Senior Reporter for crime and justice here at cnn and kaitlan, you and ive been reporting on this case for months now. Is this remarkable . We have not seen jack smith asked for something of this nature and the fact that he feels compelled to do so. Now, youve been reading through the filing, what else stands out to you . Is a couple of things, caitlin and youre right, we havent seen this in this case. Its going to be a real test for the judge overseeing it. Judge Aileen Cannon, who has moved extremely slowly to respond to many of the things that have come into this case. Were going to have to see how she responds now. But the things that jumped out at me from the filing are the Justice Department is being so explicit about how dangerous this sort of language is. Attorney general Merrick Garland, just yesterday, said that as much you said it was extremely dangerous and false. What trump was amplifying and they are now saying in their filing in Federal Court were to a judge. Trumps repeated mischaracterization as an attempt to kill him, his family and secret Service Agents has an endangered Law Enforcement officers involved in the investigation on top of that, they say there is the possibility this could harm the jury but caitlin, another note here is that the prosecutors here talked to trumps lawyers about this and told them they were going to go to judge cannon about his statements including things he was putting on truth, social today, the response from Donald Trumps lawyers according to what the prosecutors say today, is that they wanted to wait till monday to talk more about it. They didnt think that there was any imminent threat thats what trumps attorney said, according to prosecutors in this in this filing thats right i mean, clearly jack smith feels differently. Its 9201 eastern time on a friday night and he feels the need that this is such an imminent threat that they needed to ask for this. Now absolutely, it is one of the things that they are saying in a way with language that you rarely see in Court Filings about the possibility of harm. And weve seen these sorts of filings before. We have a Gag Order On Trump in the federal case in washington, dc, there the Gag Order On Trump in the case in new york that he has violated ten times, been held in contempt of court, signed for those violations, commenting about witnesses and jurors or the jury pool there. But this is something that is clearly has really set off a response within the fbi. The Justice Department of Special Counsels office to respond to trump and say no. This is not something that is apart from any search, including the search that had taken place at Joe Biden Delaware Home Consensually that there was always this sort of standard protocols in place for Law Enforcement because these searches and turn dangerous, this was nothing out of the normal for the search of maralago in august of 2022, and the sort of amplification of trump saying there was lethal force, but they may have been authorized to shoot me, that it could have been deadly, that that that is so inflammatory it endangers Law Enforcement writ large and they want a response from the judge and just a reminder for our audience. I know, you know, this, caitlin, but trump was not at maralago when this happened, the fbi coordinated with secret service. Secret service, let the fbi onto the maralago property. When you if you drive down and pull on beach, it is a long drive in the uterine into maralago. Theres a Security Gate right there at the front. They let them in to come and execute this lawful Search Warrant that had been authorized by a judge. Trump was in new jersey. I believe he was not even there is all this was happening and were not im reading through this and theyre talking about how trump sided the warrant and the operations form as exhibits for his motion, but they misquoted it by getting before when necessary without any ellipsis reflecting the omission leaving out language that deadly force is necessary only when the officer has a reasonable belief that the subject of such force poses an imminent danger of death or serious physical injury basically, this is authorizing deadly force. So it was limiting what force they could use, saying only in the most insane of circumstances, may you use this . Understood. But keep two things in mind. Number one, this is totally different than the gag order in new york, which is designed to protect jurors and witnesses in an ongoing trial. This is a very different thing, but also let me just remind everybody, you can agree or disagree with what donald trump has said and the way he is misquoted or not misquoted there are certain First Amendment rights that we all have. You dont have to like what somebody says youre allowed to lie under the First Amendment. Youre allowed to misquote under the First Amendment. Youre not allowed to incite violence, but im sure thats what his lawyers will be arguing that he has a right to give his interpretation of what he thought was going on and that he shouldnt be bound by a gag order and theres no theres i understand that this is designed to protect Law Enforcement officers, but this is not a Jury Poison Issue in my view. Yeah. I just add something yeah. Additional language after was authorized to shoot me just reading from the paperwork yet was just itching to do the unthinkable and was Locked And Loaded to take me out and put my family in danger and then those some of those offices on that raid we have fbi agents, we may expect are going to be called as witnesses and identified this is an attack, this type of thing, in my opinion, is a continue the attack on the judicial process and the rule of law. And i can certainly understand why the Attorney General of the United States with authorized jack smith to do this . I think we would have been remiss if he then take this on directly. I have no idea. Im not a federal judge. I never was a federal judge. How it will come out. But im certainly supportive of the Attorney General of the United States and jack smith backing their fbi agents in the field over this type of garbage, we have to take a break. We are covering this Breaking News. I do want to talk more about this because what caitlin said there was important that trumps attorneys thought they could wait to sort this out later on, not on tuesday after the holiday. Clearly, jack smith thought otherwise. Standby. Were continuing to follow this Breaking News. We have much more on this going on. This Breaking News that jack smith, the Special Counsel in his prosecutors are now asking for a gag order in the classified documents case, something we have not seen yet today. It is all because of comments that you just heard the judge sayyed right there, that trump made and funny Fundraising Emails that he has made on truth social, that his allies have repeated on their own social media websites and on television. Stay with us. Well be right back with the Breaking News one of the most active 22 seasons, you cant control a what kinds of interventions can we design . Go inside the store. 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It is a Join Thousands of americans and book your first cleaning today for just 19 im Natasha Bertrand at the pentagon and this is cnn more now on the Breaking News that we are getting in just as our tonight and the trunk classified documents case, as jack smith the Special Counsel and prosecutors are asking judge Aileen Cannon and florida to place a Gag Order On Former President Donald Trump in the wake of his quote, false and inflammatory statements suggesting that Law Enforcement agents were authorized to assassinate him when they executed a Search Warrant at maralago, they had a standard deadly use of force policy. They had the exact same one when they conducted that search for documents at President Bidens home, i should note that is something that Attorney General Merrick Garland reminded everyone of this week when he was asked about this, jack smith and this filing tonight is arguing that trumps comments has endangered Law Enforcement officers involved in this investigation. And the prosecution of this case, and that it threatens the integrity of the proceedings as well. This is an extraordinary step by Special Counsel jack smith, one that we have not seen him take get and for more on this, i want to bring in the former fbi Deputy Director Andrew Mccabe and andrew, let me read you part of this filing that were truly just reading as were on air right now. But jack smiths team says theyre talking about the implications of trumps comments. And its echoed by his republican allies. And they say professional Law Enforcement officers and agents, its country put their lives on the line every day and carrying out their duties to enforce the law and theyre saying that would execute in court or courtauthorized warrants those professionals face many uncertainties and potentially grave risks. Theyre saying to minimize that, agents here are just planning for all Contagion Contingencies that as part of their job. And that is why you could read about that deadly use of force policy in this Search Warrant thats absolutely right. Kaitlan. So this is important to understand that context. This is an Operations Plan which is required for the execution of every Search Warrant, an Arrest Warrant that fbi agents engage, and this is part of fbi policy and the operations his plan includes tons of information primarily for the other agents who are going to take part in that operation. It tells them where to go, when to be there, whos gonna be driving, which vehicles, all sorts of things like that this particular section is required. Its not it is part of the form like its not even something that agents have to type in on every plan because its baked into the form. And that is a recitation of the dojs authorization to use legal force im sorry, lethal force the reason its there is to make sure that every agent who goes out on this operation understands the limits of using lethal force that theyre only authorized to you use it to protect their life or the life of someone else. It is not an authorization or some sort of statement of intent or direction for the operation. It is the legal limit on how agents can use lethal force in the course of their duties. And its the same on every single operation. I mean, i just wonder what what its like for you to see these comments that trumps fundraising off of this saying the fbi was quote in all caps authorized to shoot me, that they were itching to do the unthinkable that they were Locked And Loaded, ready to take me out and put my family in danger yeah. Weve known for a while that theres absolutely no limit to the lies. And the slander that the former president will say and use against the fbi and its people, particularly, he has been doing this for years, but this actually, for me reach does it all time low, right . Hes he is quite literally putting those agents and the people who supported them on this mission in mortal danger, right . This is a direct effort to inflame his supporters to inflame his base some of whom not the majority, but some of whom we know listen to these directions and these lies very carefully and then take action based upon what they hear the former president say. So i think that those Special Counsel is doing absolutely the right thing and the necessary thing here to try to put some restraint on him that will potentially keep these agents from getting harmed. I also have george conway, youre joining us, andrew on this Breaking News, and george conway, obviously, i dont think its any secret to anyone whos watching. Youre not a fan of Donald Trumps, but, but for Something Like this, for someone who declares himself the Law And Order president and talks about how hes there to back the blue and attend Memorial Services for officers here in new york and then to see, how hes talking about these Law Enforcement officers simply because they work under the umbrella of the fbi and how he feels about the fbi is quite remarkable when when you read how jack smith puts it to these stark terms here in this filing . Yeah. And i dont think i mean, i dont think there are terms that are stark enough to describe what donald trump has done here. I mean, hes a pathological liar. He lies about everything. But this lie is just an exceedingly dangerous lie. As as as the Attorney General and mr. Mccabe has pointed down and its an attack on the entire system of the legal system. As judge grosso put it before the break. And to emphasize how dramatic this is. This message is going out to tens of millions of people who are on the campaign mailing list. I have the email right here. The campaign email. I nearly escaped death from donald trump. And again, you know, theyre theyre, theyre fishing, theyre just itching to du the unthinkable there it is, easy ease. Basically accusing the government of trying fine to take him out and 10 Million People get this email. I dont know how many people get this email. All it takes is one or two of them. The shoot somebody saying thinking that, hey, i hit the governments trying to shoot my president. Im going gonna, im gonna fight back. And thats absolutely appalling. I want to put point out one other thing about this motion, which is a little kind of a lesser aspect of it. But this is, this really puts judge cannon on the spot. Yeah. This woman has absolutely completely shown an absolute bias against the government from day one in multiple ways. Shes dragging her feet on this case and if she does not do something about this, i think i think the Special Counsel may use this as the opportunity to try to get the 11th circuit to get rid of her so shes really on the spot here. Shes actually going to have to do you think that she would do something . I dont know. But she she she better because this is just this is just completely outrageous. I mean, it is really an attempt to incite violence against government agents based on the complete pathological lie. An End Misreading and gross just absolutely obscene misreading of a standard document that limits the use of force. Its its absolutely the notion that its that so many people had to participate to send this email and enter in our beholden to trumps are doing these things. Just shows you the level of just moral depravity that trump emanates and that surrounds him its i cant words cannot describe that level of depravity to send. The send this message out . Yeah. And i think its safe to say its an intentional misreading. Well see what judge cannon decides youre obviously this is now in her hands. George conway thank you for jumping on this Breaking News with us also to you, Andrew Mccabe. I really appreciate having both the your perspectives on this tonight. We will continue to follow this Breaking News of the Special Counsel, jack smith, asking for a gag order for donald trump in the classified documents case, given his misrepresentation of the deadly use of force policy that is Standard Operating Procedure was part of the Search Warrant of his maralago club, also ahead here tonight, were tracking another story as the three missionaries who were gunned down in haiti that included this american couple that you see here, they were ambushed by gangs the father of one of the victims will join me in moments russia were trying to spy on us. 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Its one less thing to worry about. Im Alex Smartboard In Washington and this is cnn tonight. More harrowing details are coming in about how three missionaries, including a Young American couple, or killed in haiti last night, davy and Natalie Lloyd were among the victims according to davies father, the couple was ambushed by gang members twice. The first time, davy had been tied up and beaten is getting numbers, stole the Mission Groups trucks. He had been on the phone with his dad during the attacks he was injured, so he was hurt and he was very nervous and very scared because i asked him why they tied him up and hes like what because youre the only one thats got strength that we have to worry about and so they wanted to make sure he couldnt put up a fight back he was begging me to find somebody to get in there to help him. And i did all i can, but couldnt locate anybody according to his father, more armed men arrived after they had been on the phone. Someone shot one of the newly arrived gang members and it sparked a violent backlash the couple and the missions haitian director, jude mantissa, was also spent their final moments hold up, trying to call for help before being killed according to missions in haiti, which is the organization that was run by davies parents, including his father, that you just saw there . Jude was a pastor who now leaves behind a wife and two young children. And natalie and davy had joined the mission after they got married two years ago, joining me now is Natalie Lloyds father ben baker, who i should notice also a State Representative in missouri and her mother, naomi and first off, i think its probably difficult for anyone right now watching to even understand the pain that the two of you must be feeling. And i just want to thank you for being willing to come on and talk about this and ben, natalie was just 21 years old. Can you tell me about your daughter natalie was special she was a very loving person. She was very talented shes a very good senior pick, plays the piano but she was also very determined and very organized person. She shes she loved davy and their relationship was beautiful to watch play out its been very difficult for us to cope with this. Now really the only reason why were doing this is because we feel like their story is where the big told because of who they were and what they represented. And their Selfless Service to people. And specifically the people. Of haiti that they love so much and theyre so young. And what they were doing was so amazing. I was missions in haiti, runs a school for nearly 450 children and no churches as well in a Childrens Home and i wonder what natalie loved about about working there besides, i know her husband had had a real love and passion for it as well Natalie Natalie loved the children thats who she when she first visited. Thats who she fell in love with, was the kids. She visited for two weeks before they actually decided to get engaged at our request because we wanted her to know what haiti was like and she came back and she had fallen in love with the people. But the children she was she was there for the kids i mean, just as parents and must have been scary for you to have to have her there and to find that thats the important work that she she cared so much about. It was, it was something though that ive always taught my kids that doing something for people putting others in front of you is so important. And they live that out and what they did there. I dont think you could find a better example of people who truly had a deep love for the people of haiti and had a vision to help them in any way that they could and it made such an impact. There among the different ministries that they were involved in. Of course, it was dangerous. It was something that being there just the way that unfortunately haiti operates and the situation there is just its awful but they made the decision to remain even when it got worse because they felt like if they left than those kids would have nowhere to go. They had more than 30 kids that theyre caring for their that some of them truly orphans and many of them just their parents and situations that can take care of them or unable to and so they felt responsibility responsible for those kids and so they decided to stay in i commend their bravery and their willingness to do so, even though it was very difficult for us but they did it out of love it must be a special thing as parents to know that youre young daughter you know a lot of 20 arent arent doing things like this so it must be really special to know that she had a heart for doing that. She and davey were both exceptional in that way they they just wouldnt hear of leaving those kids behind at one point, natalie was given the opportunity to leave but she chose to stay and and we didnt we didnt know at that time that this is where we would be with that decision. But here we are. Theyre both exceptional. Davy was a brilliant young man was wise beyond his years. Natalie as well im always an overachiever, always looking for a challenge and so were so proud of what they accomplished in through short time. There. I think their legacy will live on it. Absolutely will and you have a right to be so proud of them. And ben anomie, i just want to thank you again for being willing to speak about something that obviously is so difficult well, we want to tell their story so thank you for having thank you. Absolutely. Thank you, both and well be right back after a short break. 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If you or a loved one who has been diagnosed with mesothelioma, call us now senator tom cotton, you might want to call your office, the New York Times reporting tonight that the arkansas republican, has now emerged as a Top Contender for Donald Trumps Vice President ial pick trump himself, even making clear whos in the mix . You could take people like ben carson, you could take people like marco rubio, jd vance. I mean, there is so many elisa is doing a fantastic job but i could go on for quite a long time. We have many people that would do a really fantastic job my political sources tonight, a pair of cnn political commentators, democratic strategist Maria Cardona and republican strategist and also pollster kristin sold to as anderson, great to have you both here and christian obviously, trump has said hes going to get to decide around the convention or at least announce around the Republican Convention in july. But i wonder what you make of the very public nature of this Vetting Process thats underway where not only is trump talking about who hes looking at, theyre going to his trial. Theyre going to rallies. Theyre on cable news. I mean, very clearly, auditioning for this job. Its The Apprentice Vice President addition. Thats simply what were seeing. Thats why its playing out in public eye. This is just how donald trump operates and frankly, a big piece of what hes going to be looking for this time is loyalty. He has been very vocal about what he feels was mike pences disloyalty. Now, of course horse mike pence did what the constitution said. He needed to do, but Donald Trumps still very sore about all of that. And so hes looking for someone that he thinks will be 100 team trump all the time. And theres no better way to prove your loyalty than this very public display of it. Thats what youre seeing play out well and maria, im glad that kristen brought up january 6 because tom cotton, marco rubio, tim scott dale voted to actually certify the results in 2020. Doug burgum, of course, hes not a senator, but hes governor. He said that he believes pence did the right thing. On january 6, and i wonder if you think that counts against them and trump size i do. But also what youve been seeing kaitlan is that every chance they get now, as they understand that they are part of the Vice President ial republican pageant going on is that theyre either reversing themselves or they refuse to answer the question. Tim scott, for example, famously, few weeks ago couldnt even answer that question when asked on National Television and he was somebody who we know did vote to make the right decision and certify the vote. But he wouldnt say whether he would do it in 2024 if Joe Biden One and so i think that will be a deciding factor and thats why youre seeing all of these vp candidates a twist themselves into pretzels if theyre asked that question publicly. And theyre were not going to say whether they would certify the election because that would essentially put a black mark and kind of take them out of contention because i agree completely with kristin that loyalty is completely everything for donald trump and you have to bend the knee, Kiss The Ring Come In Genuflects at the altar of donald trump. Make sure he knows that you will be his puppet in order to be in contention. Well, in kristen, i mean, obviously, a lot of this has been booming recently around the criminal trial and i think we have an idea of how trump will handle this once the verdict, depending on what it is and what that it looks like, his team is obviously planning for that. But another question that i have is how President Biden handles that. He is barely talked about this case at all, except in a few jokes or asides, but i imagine hill way in one way or another on whatever that verdict is well, what hasnt and biden has to be careful because the more he tries to talk about this and use it to his own political advantage, the more it almost feeds into Donald Trumps argument, which is, this is all political, this is all just to keep me out of the white house. So prison and biden has a very fine line hes got a walk in terms of trying to capitalize on this politically the more he says about it in some ways, i think the worst, both for him and for the country, frankly maria, we got about 50 seconds left in the show. What do you think i dont think he has had to do it thus yet caitlin, but i think that if there is a verdict, you might see something from the white house, but i dont think hell lean into it. He doesnt need to. This is going to be something that it is going to hurt donald trump, i believe in the long run. And joe biden does not need to help him do that. Yeah. Its just fascinating because a month almost from today, therell be on the debate stage together. We will note the verdict certainly. By then, Maria Cardona, kristin sold to sandra, said great to have you both here on a friday. So much kaitlyn. Thanks. And thank you all so much for joining us here on this friday and i hope you have a great Memorial Day Weekend. Law codes live starts right now