Well, tonight maga in the bronx ill, trump tried to rallblack and hispanic voters while President Biden punches back at trumps record on race, dr. Ben carson is with me tonight to respond. Justin donald trump breaks his silence. Im nikki haleys support for him. What hes saying about the possibility of her joining his team tonight, alarm codes why you know, just this month President Biden im told the room full of black supporters at their way. They were the reason he won in 2020, without them, he wouldnt be president. Now he says he needs them again, but winning them over in the same numbers isnt looking easy by knows this, by the way, and so does donald trump tonight, trump to went to one of the most diverse and democratic counties in america. Also, my husbands hometown, the bronx. Now theres no chance trump will actually win new york. But this rally didnt seem to be about that. It was about trying to gain support among that key demographic these millions and millions of people that are coming into our country the biggest impact and the biggest negative impact is against our black population and are hispanic population. Trump has been trying to win over black voters ever since he ran in 2016. Do you remember his message back then what do you have to lose by trying something new . Like trump . 12016, he won 9 of the black bow in 2020, it went up, he went 12 12 and 2024 polls show trump gaining 18 with biden slipping to 72 still overwhelmingly for biden, of course. But in a race as close as this one, the margin then some swing states might be extremely critical and you know, president by knows that its why hes getting more aggressive and maybe hitting back this time by using trumps own words against him. In this new campaign ad of course, i hate these people. Donald trump disrespecting black focus, nothing new. He was sued to reducing to renas apartments to black families and called for the fusion of five innocent black and brown teenagers. And its more than angle, its hatred joining us now, trumps former secretary of housing and urban development, dr. Ben carson. Dr. Carson, thank you so much for joining me. How are you this evening . Im doing well, laura, its good to be with you. Thank you im really glad youre here looking forward to your insight on this because you know there was this huge rally today in the bronx. Its a democratic stronghold. Everyone agrees on that. Were biden did get more than 80 of the vote back in 2021. Do you think the former president made this . Stop there . Now well, i think he wants to make sure that people understand that. He wants to be the president of all the people. He doesnt want to just choose one demographic and place them ahead of everyone else. That seems to be a growing problem in our society dividing people on the basis of race, age, and calm political affiliation religion, gente gender and we need to stop it that was the atmosphere that was that i saw at that rally today we are one people were not this group versus that group. And if he can continue to work on that, i think itd be wonderful for our country. Its not so much about democrats and republicans its about whether we are one nation indivisible with liberty and justice for all dont forget this part. However, on those issues have liberty and justice. Those seem to be the points in which people focus on a lot of the disparities among the different groups of people that you have articulated and certainly black voters, latino voters, women voters, none of whom are a monolith. But there is a specific appeal that is made to what are the perceived Policy Interests of each of those groups . Why do you think that the support among black voters in particular is increased . He sing for trump since 2016 decreasing for the current President Joe Biden well, thats not just the case among black voters. Thats the case among all voters because theyre facing the same things when they go to the gas station and fill up their car, theyre feeling the pain. Theyre feeling the pain hey, when they go to the grocery store, theyre feeling a pain when they sit a Utility Bills and their rent bells and other mortgage and that is something that affects people, particularly when youve had a chance to juxtapose these two political, philosophy sidebyside. In recent time, do you think that there are particular Policy Interests that the former President Donald Trump should be looking at, particularly when it comes to black voters. Ill tell you that the former president has said that he thinks its one reason that black voters embrace him is because of his four criminal indictments and im wondering what you make of that, given the information that ones contact with the criminal Justice System would be more prominently felt among black voters. Well, hes making reference to things that have happened in the past in this country that we all know where markedly unfair is there still some unfairness . There is. But obviously that has decreased markedly just in my lifetime. I remember as a child going down to the deep south and seeing whites and colored signs and people saying, be careful about this and be careful about that. And the other and in the same lifetime we have black admirals and generals and ceos of fortune 500 companies and heads of foundations and University President s. Weve had a black president i mean, things have changed as it nirvana yet no, its not. But its moving in the right direction. Certainly, what you describe, i know you mentioned it was not yet nirvana. I wonder how close we are to reaching any of those things. And certainly you are a scholar of history. I know that you are quite prolific and your ability to retain and convey it. And we have moved the needle and some direction. But there is still a lot of things are a lot of things in this country that do spell out that we are still a work in progress as a country. I always wonder this dr. Carson because ive seen over time the way people have looked at race and politics particular expect to trump that black supporters of trump are treated differently in villainized, in a different way than say, even white supporters of trump have you experienced that . And what is your response to those who wonder why as a black man, you would support him . Have i experienced of course because there are a lot of people who see anybody who associates with trump as the devil incarnate thats a very micro view of things. And we have to have a much broader view of things in terms of who has policies that work for you, who has policies that improve the prospects for your children versus who has policies that increase criminal activity . Releases repeat criminals into your neighborhood to threaten you and your children lets people come in from all over the world, many of whom may be terrorists to threaten your viability has Energy Policies that are driving inflation, that are hurting you economically those are the things you have to look at and more and more people, particularly in the black community, are starting to look at those things rather than being led around by the nose many have been looking at those issues and they still come to conclusion that democrats are in a better position to do just that thats up to the voters in the end otherwise, i cant help but wonder, while im hearing you articulate different Policy Stances were questions in particular to ask whether if you were asked to be the Vice President ial running mate of donald trump, you would say yes. Would you i would peripherally consider it recognizing that theres a lot of baggage that goes along with that and i have to make sure that my family would be okay. But i can guarantee you this. Whether i do it from inside the government or outside the government, i will continue to focus my efforts on trying to bring our country together and to save it you several trump allies on that very point had been asked this very question about the country and saving the democracy or public, if you can keep it somewhat given a definitive answer, others have not. So i wanted to give you an opportunity to have your say will you accept the results of the 2024 election regardless of who . Who wins yes or no accept the results. If its done in a fair and transparent way, do you have reason to doubt that it would be done in a fair and transparent way . Well, let me put it this way and the 2020 election, there were a lot of irregularities i think everybody on both sides should be aware of that and should be working to try to satisfy that well, the empirical and frankly, i know that youre somebody who is drawn to that there, is no evidence of widespread voter fraud that would have changed any results in the 2020 election. Does that suggest to you that the elections and our democracy remain intact . The fact that theres so many people who are skeptical should raise questions for us. The fact that a country like france outlawed general Mellon Balloting in 1975 because they said they were too many opportunities for mischief that just could not be controlled. These are all things that we should look at where smart people we can put them in on the moon. We can figure out a transparent way that is satisfactory for the entire population, not for just one segment thereof. Do you think that we shouldnt do mailin ballots . I think mailin ballots for people who cant get to the poles are appropriate. But i think having an election season versus an election day is a mistake. Why is that because theres too many opportunities for mr. And when france change their system they have their results the same day or the next day that is true, although the United States has yet to endeavor to resemble france and the way that you described, i will say though it does provide greater participation and republicans often have used mailin voting as a feather in the cap to promote increased electoral participation, dr. Carson. Thank you so much for joining us this evening its been a pleasure. Thank you, thank you lets continue the discussion now with former republican congressman joe walsh also cnn Political Commentator and former National Coalitions director for the biden harris 2020 campaign. Ashley allison. So good to have both of you here. I want get your reaction to what weve just heard. Im dr. Ben carson first joe, he is seeming going to talk about mailin balloting as a problem, but it could create opportunities for mischief. Republicans have used mailin ballots the same way democrats have. It increases participation among the electorate. Whats your reaction to this . The leader of the party, the Republican Party still has not conceded mean laura, think about the context here. Thats why ben carson and all these other republicans cannot say, when you ask them, will you accept the results of the election if you lose and they cant answer that question because donald trump wont answer that question because four years later hitter Donald Trumps still has an acknowledged that he lost the 2020 election. Thats why so many republicans are skeptical about our elections. Process. I mean, ashley, he talked about being unwilling to unconditionally, frankly, unconditionally accept the terms earlier with ashley with abby on mine or show, she had Congressman Baron Donald Don who had a similar response about sort of a conditional response youve heard that time and time again and how is this telling you . What will happen in november . I mean, obviously baked into the question is, assuming we are fair and free elections, will you accept the actual Election Results . And we should assume so when we have fair and free elections yes. So i want to go back to 2020 and the Republican Party was playing the same game around this time period, we were entering covid, they were casting doubt on the Us Postal Service they were casting doubt on vote by mail. We were in a global pandemic. Of course, we needed to adjust because we were restricted to our houses under Donald Trumps leadership during that pandemic. And so they started to see doubt in our election so that when, if and when he lost, which he did, they would be able to mobilize their base for a january 6, which they did. And so theyre playing this playbook again and theyre trying to give their base a Permission Structure that if and when donald trump loses in the november election, that they should perhaps recreate january 6, but not stop when it doesnt go as planned, fight until the end. And that is why so many people are talking about the danger for our democracy is because the people in not just donald trump, but the people he is surrounding himself with will not just answer a simple question to accept the results of the alliance, but going back to that, i want you to respond to this joe going back the pandemic, dont we remember when rnc was really clutching their pearls and thinking, well, hold on candidate trump, do you really want to suggest we dont want Mail Imbalance because that actually has a nerd. Two are benefit for a very long time. And theres a pandemic, obviously, but also before the pandemic, we want mailin ballots. You shore, we should so that doubt lord, the difference this year with 20 is donald trump was the only republican before the election who said, if i lose, i wont accept the results. Youve got almost every single republican now refusing to answer that question, this is scary and the end game, laura, is violence plain simple. Its violence. Well, that wasnt that wasnt obviously encouraged by dr. Carson, but the thigh, the American Public . Yes remembering what took place when one does not accept or encourages something other than the peaceful transition, because our, and thats, thats the concern here. Stick around both you, please. Joe and ashley you stand by it because i head the battle for nikki haleys supporters, President Biden is already trying to woo them and tonight, trump is breaking his silence now he says, tell you next so im going enough. 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