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Citing the source tonight. She blasted donald trump is unhinged, unstable in total chaos. But after publicly refusing to kiss the ring, Donald Trumps ring nikki haley says, shell vote for him in november. Republican senator ted cruz is here on the state of the 2024 race. Also, another flag would links to january 6. Another house. But its the same Supreme Court justice thats under fire. For tonight. New reporting on what was seen. Justice alitos home that has critics calling for him to recuse himself also, tonights senator Bernie Sanders joins us. This on his break right now underway with the white house and even Top Democrats im kaitlin collins. And this is the source nikki haley has not spoken publicly since she suspended her race for the white house more than two months ago. But tonight and her first remarks since that, she made clear who should we voting for in november, given it wont be her name on the ballot trump has not been perfect on these policies. I made that clear many, many times but biden has been a catastrophe so i will be voting for trump in those arguments, haley said that she believes President Biden is a catastrophe. But of course it was not that long ago and voters will remember that she was arguing to republican voters. And really the United States that former President Donald Trump is a quote, disaster on hinged, on fit unstable. The list goes on. He also launched a series of attacks against her during that primary race. Of course, often deriving her as bird brain on the trail though trumps last major rival also said this i feel no need to kiss the ring. I have no fear of trumps retribution haley, of course, made out of kiss the ring, but she has certainly tried it on tonight. Her statement is notable, given trump, of course, was far ahead of her in the polls in that race, but she still was drawing notable swaths of the republican electorate when she dropped out. This is what she said to trump. What he needed to do to win over those voters it is now up to donald trump to earn the votes of those in our party and beyond it, who did not support him and i hope he does that that was on march 6, but it still stands today as we are seeing primaries happen where she is winning sizable portion of voters and indiana and pennsylvania. Donald trump, we should note, is not spent much time trying to court those voters, but he is certainly got her vote as she made clear tonight my lead source tonight is someone else who also once Ran A Bruising primary campaign of his own against donald trump. Texas senator ted cruz is first time youre on the source. Thank you for being here and i want you to be with you to talk to you about the 2024 race and everything thats going on there. But you propose to build this week, youre focusing on ivf in this fight that weve seen play out since what happened in my home state of alabama, this bill would essentially make states ineligible to receive Medicaid Funding if they banned ivf in their State Somebody Look at that and say, why not go one step further and just protect and create a federal protection for ivf access. Well, thats exactly what this bill does. It provides a categorical protection for ivf. And the reason i did it is number one, i strongly support ivf. I ivf is an incredible technology. I mean, i mean, it has its given millions of parents hope who couldnt otherwise have children. This just six are amazing. 2 of all births in america come from ivf. There are over 8 million babies that have been born through ivf and you look at the state of things right now, i think there are a lot of people who are confused and scared that they feel that ivf is in jeopardy. Pretty and following the alabama Supreme Court decision, a lot of people were very worried about that in the senate. To the best of my knowledge, all 100 senators support ivf. Im not aware of a single senator who doesnt and so what happened . I approached kate, katie britts senator from alabama and i said, look, lets team up lets draft a very simple bill that creates strong federal protections that makes clear no state can ban ivf and thats what we did. We made it as a condition of Medicaid Funding. Thats thats a frequent method of imposing a federal restriction on the states its long upheld, but im curious about that because i mean, your home of texas, my home state of alabama. Theyre not seeking tebor expand Medicaid Funding. Its more of a punishment. So its kind of tied to that. So they could still technically ban ivf. They just wouldnt be able to receive Medicaid Funding if they didnt practical matter, no one is going to turn them down. Billions of dollars than medicaid funds. You know, its its a method, for example, its how congress us, Congress Use Highway Funds to get states to raise the drinking age 21. And it was the same thing. It was a condition you dont get your Highway Funds unless you rage raise your the age and they did so. Its how congress you go back in the 70s, use Highway Funds also to lower the speed limit, 2505, they ended up allowing it to raise again but if you look at congressional authority, the Spending Clause as a component of the constitution that congress has unquestioned authority to attach conditions to federal spending. And so we attached it to medicaid. There is no state in the union thats going to turn down massive amount of money for medicaid. And so it operates as a clear federal protection an ironclad protection that no state and no local government and ban it. Yeah. But in alabama, they didnt ban ivf. The Supreme Court just came out there a rule that essentially Embryos Count is children, and that was why you saw theres not that many ivf clinics. A lot of them closed down out of fear of what the legal landscape was there. If there was a federal law protecting access to ivf, that wouldnt have happened well, thats right. And thats why i think we should pass a federal law. And i think its notable when the alabama Supreme Court decision came down that the Alabama Legislature came in very quickly within weeks and pass you dont often see from, you dont often and they move quickly to make clear, ivf has fully protect an alabama and thats true in all 50 states that im not aware. I literally dont know of a State Legislator in any state that wants to ban ivf. But i want to take the fear off the table because people are afraid and i understand and youre right in alabama, following the Supreme Court decisions, the clinics there halted their treatments and thats fundamentally wrong and thats why i said, look, part of it is were seeing a lot a fearmongering. Were seeing people for political reasons that are trying to scare voters and say, ive heard you say that, which is interesting because it held that wasnt what i saw up close. I know these people. It was that they were worried that they were going to be prosecuted if there was a mishap in an accident in a facility like an alabama it wasnt fearmongering out in the media it was people in the state were worried that they would be prosecuted. Well, and let me be clear, the fearmongering is all across the country, but look, i understand why why the ivs clinics that they were uncertain what to do and alabama and they halted temporarily and im really glad the Alabama Legislature came in and said, no, you guys are fine. This is important. I think ivf is incredibly important. And where the fearmongering is happening is in the other 49 states and you have frankly democrats who were fairly cynically trying to scare voters and say the mean republicans want to take away and thats not true. Im glad you brought that up because the reason that premises out there is because of whats happened with abortion and what weve seen happen in states like youre a State Of Texas where almost all abortions are banned. Theres no exceptions for rape or incest in the State Of Texas and they only have a pretty narrow exception if the health and the life of the mother is at risk that didnt apply to kate cox. Everyone knows her story. Did you support that Supreme Court ruling from your state preventing kate cox from getting an abortion. Look what happened to kate cox was horrific and she was a mom who had kids who wanted to have another child and discovered that her unborn child had had a fatal disease that would kill her and her child. And that is a horrific situation as you noted, the texas law has an exception in it for for a birth that would do serious damage to critical Life Functioning of the mind other and what the texas Supreme Court concluded, i think theres a very good argument that she fell under that exception, but what the texas Supreme Court said in its opinion is it asked the Texas Medical Board Go in and set clear rules because the texas Supreme Court said, look, under this law, its doctors that should be making this determine im a nation. It shouldnt be courts, it shouldnt be lawyers. It should do disagree with the ruling i think the texas Supreme Court was right in saying that the texas medical board should set the rules and listen. Theres a big difference between abortion in medical board doesnt make the law. I mean, well, but it gives clarifies the standards and the texas Supreme Court unanimously called on the medical board to clarify the standards because doctors were uncertain and that feels like its deflecting from the lawmakers in the state to the doctors to have to decide well, no, its actually empowering the doctors because theres a medical board there for a reason and listen, theres an enormous difference between Abortion Ivf On abortion. Abortion is an issue that people are hotly divided, that theres a real division of opinion. And people have good faith, can disagree on that and can disagree passionately and emotionally and what the Supreme Court said in returning this to the states is under our constitution, the way we resolve issues that there are strong disagreements is through the electoral process and what that means is the voters in texas decide the texas law. You believe its a state issue for abortion . Or for ivf. But not for abortion. I think what the court has said is abortion as an issue the states can decide because texas is not adopt very different laws, then new york, and of course, they should ivf is different because the overwhelming majority of americans strongly support ivf at 84 of americans want to protect, you know, a lot of americans support Abortion Rights as well. It will see, of course the political, how that plays out november, but i do want to ask you about the Supreme Court clerk today. Our Supreme Court Justice Alito has been in the news for what happened recently where he was flying an Upside Down Flag at his home. He says it was his wife who did it. But of course it was right after january 6. That was a symbol of stop the steal. Do you think that was inappropriate . Look, i think this entire hoopla is greatly overstated and i think there is a concerted effort that is driven by democrats in the senate to, try to delegitimize the court and to try to demonize were seeing it with Justice Clarence thomas. Were seeing it with Justice Samuel alito. I think the whole thing is disgraced. School in my view, sam alito is an extraordinary justice. Clarence thomas is an extraordinary justice. I know both of them very, very well. And this has been if you look at from the far left the court is the one institution that they do not control. And we saw we saw Chuck Schumer go to the steps of the Supreme Court and threatened the justices and say if you did not vote the way i want you to vote in the dobbs decision, he said you will unleash the whirlwind and he threatened them by name on the flag itself are you okay with him flying an upsidedown flag outside his home . Well, listen, Justice Alitos explanation is that his wife but he had a neighbor in maryland who was apparently a vicious partisan who had a sign in his front yard that said f donald trump, which is pretty nasty in a neighborhood. The neighborhood is not a Supreme Court justice no, but the neighbor also screamed and cursed at Justice Alitos wife, and apparently called her the seaward, which im sorry, is repulsive listen there are justices i disagree with and yet you should treat everyone with civility and respect and what Justice Alito said as his wife was upset. And lets be honest, if you had Neighbor Screaming and cursing, i think they really disputes probably a lot of people watching can understand stan that, but he is sitting Supreme Court justice and theyre about to make key decisions about january 6. Two of them, theyre related to that. Do not worry that it undercuts his credibility as justice when he does Something Like this. Number one, he said he didnt have anything to do with it, that it was his wife who did it but number two, this is all about trying to delegitimize the court the democrats almost every democrat in the senate, if they win they want to pack the Supreme Court. They want to grow the Supreme Court from nine justices to 13 justices. The reason they want to do that is they want to add four leftwing justices immediately. And i got to say it is unfortunate, you, President Biden, of course, doesnt agree with that. I girl, he said he does not know. He he has said he would support packing the court he did not resist that. They would have to get rid of the filibuster. I mean, thats thats not going to happen. Well, and ill tell you what if the Democrats Gain one seat in the senate Chuck Schumer as 49 votes to end the filibuster if he got one more, he would end the filibuster and they would pack the court. I want to talk about whats happening in the senate. We have a lot more questions thats where you asserted jokers, i feel stick around. Were going to take a quick break and be right back in a moment much more with senator ted cruz when we return what is, Circle Surplus appealed to take Flight Circle is the energy that gets you to the next level. Circled is which hope for life tosses limited way circle available at walmart and drinks circle. Com kay. Ready to washington one second. I got to finish my laundry. Yes. Its gross night. One second. I use rinse whats rinse to the company that will pick up wash, fold and deliver your laundry, dry cleaning at the touch my bedroom. I do. 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Ive never once had to wait for insurance to approve a test or proven medication, you didnt have to worry about any of those things thanks to the donations and our family is forever grateful because its completely changed our lives the jury in Donald Trumps Criminal Hush Money Trial in new york is set to deliberate in the coming days. There was wondering relation from that trial confirming something that pretty incredible that happened during the 2016 election trumps fixer and attorney at the time was working with a Tabloid Magazine and its king to pump out negative stories targeting his republican opponents under oath, we heard from david pecker. He was the first witness, the former publisher of the National Enquirer, who said that Michael Cohen would call and say, we would like for you to run a negative article on, lets say for argument sake on ted cruz then he would send me he being Michael Cohen, send me information about ted cruz or ben carson or marco rubio. That was the basis of our story. And then we would embellish it from there. That means that senator ted cruz was right when he said this as a candidate in 2016 . The National Enquirer the ceo of the National Enquirers an individual named david pecker well, david is good friends with donald trump. They have a friendship that goes back for many years. This has no business and politics this doesnt belong years, from now when my daughters google this they will read these lies, these attacks that donald and his henchmen and his buddies at the National Enquirer spreading and senator ted cruz is back with me now do you feel vindicated when you have heard this testimony now, what listen. I think it was an obvious it was alive in and its obvious it was a lie. Now, now i dont know that anyone ever thought the National Enquirer was a reliable news source . Im not sure aliens arrived yesterday. Im not sure elvis is living in des moines. And so when they wrote the story, it was absurd. Now, now i will say the National Enquirer or wrote that my father killed jfk and they match two photos together. They created a fake photo and i will say my dad was pretty and although he laughed about it, but he was still like like, what do i do . And i just said, look, dad, itll be fine. I will tell you the best response to that happened shortly thereafter marco rubio, the Senate Republican launch, she actually stood up and told, all our colleagues, he said, look i can tell you for a fact, there is no way that teds dad killed jfk because if a cuban had done that, he would have told everyone and that was marcos defense and it was a lot of truth to that but when you hear that, i mean, he said he directly tied it to you gaining popularity in the polls. I mean, do you feel like that hurt people do read that supermarkets. Do you feel like it hurt your campaign . It was a rough and tumble race. It was i will say donald trump and i have a different relationship than most people in, in washington, because in 2016 i fought him repeatedly, i beat him over and over and over again in 12 states. But he ultimately prevailed. He beat me a live and you when you when you beat him the first time in iowa when it became president , i had a choice to make. I could be i could be off at what hed done but if i was going to do that hed just been elected president. I got a job. I got a job to represent 30 million texans. And frankly, if i was going to let my hurt feelings make me say im not going to work with you i needed to be prepared to resign my job and go home and i made a decision then i said, listen, im going to go represent 30 million texans. Im going to fight. I got a plane. I flew to truck trump tower. I sat down with him, spent 4. 5 hours. This is the week after the general election in 2016. And what i told him then i said, mr. President , we have an historic situation the voters have given us control of the white house and both houses of congress. We cant waste this. And i told him that i said, listen, i want to roll up my sleeves and go to work and lead the effort to deliver on our promises as i look back to the trump presidency, i think we accomplished incredible victory for the american people. But this moment, what you said there, you talked about your family. They targeted not just your dad, but also your wife . I think a lot of people sitting at home would say, well, thats pretty cynical. I mean, this is someone who attacked your own members of your family. And what we learned from this testimony is that not only did donald trump know about it, he coordinated it. Look, i understand. But i knew then it was lives. It was lies then donald trump im himself this course, i did. I said he did. It was obvious. And at the end of the day, im a big boy. And as i said, i could have made a choice. Listen, if i were private citizen, i could decide my feelings are hurt and im just going to leave but if i do that, i cant do my job and i care about my job. And i will say if you look at the people of texas under almost any measure that people of texas were much, much better when trump was president then compared to now, you look at, we pass an historic tax god, i worked very hard with them on that it produced incredible economic prosperity. We had the lowest Unemployment Rate and 50 you think of the tactics that he used to get them. Do you think he would have been the nominee had he not done stuff like that . I dont know. I think donald trump is a unique character in american history. There are things he says and does that i liked the things he says and does that. I dont like. Ill tell you what. Millions of americans love about him. Is that hes got backbones and guts and that hes willing to scan a fight that matters when we talked to voters all the time about this. But at the time hi, this wasnt it was eight years ago, but it wasnt that long ago. You were both adults then and you said that trump didnt know the difference between truth and lies at 11, practically every word that comes out of his mouth. And you said it was straight out of a Psychology Textbook that his response to an accusation its to accuse everyone else of lying. I mean, do you feel differently now despite working together, he says all sorts of things. I wish she didnt say i value civility in politics. I think we should treat each other with respect, even if we disagree with each other, i cant control what other people say. I cant control whether republicans sec, can control what other democrats say. I can say that the people of texas, were a lot better when the border was secure and under donald trump, we had the most secure border, the lowest rate of illegal immigration and 45 years than they are, right now with an invasion at our southern immigration last night, wed senator james link for it on the program. Id say crafted the bill that trump saying that would have helped with a lot of those problems according, wouldnt it was a terrible bill. Well, jameslange for disagree, we talked about that criticism, but hes going to vote no on it tomorrow on nikki haley. And what you heard from her . Yeah. We talked about that what you heard from her. Tonights and that she will vote for donald trump do you empathize with her . Shes in a similar position to i understand that journey and i was in that position now she didnt win any states, but she was the last person standing i understand. And thats and she was in a hardfought primary i i have been in that spot. And it took some time for me to decide what to do and i did not initially endorse donald trump and as i thought about it, i wrestled with i wrote a long tube twopage essay that ultimately explained when i didnt endorse trump and i said at the time i said, listen, im not sure what trump will do an office. I dont know if itll be a conservative or not but i know what hillary is promising to do and what shes promising to do, i think would be really harmful. And so im going to make the decision to go with someone who is saying he will do good things. And im gonna do everything i can to help encourage them to do. Weve seen this argument. I mean, weve had bill barr was sitting in that seat and he said hes voting for donald trump, even though he said Donald Trump Trump cant get his, his policies accomplished, he said donald trump basically gets in his own way, but i do want to ask what the election you were the first senator to object to the votes in 2024 will you certified the election results. Do you plan to object or will you accept the results regardless of who wins the election . So caitlin, i got to say, i think thats actually a ridiculous question is a yes or no question. No, its not let me explain why its ridiculous question. Its not a question youve ever asked a democrat that of course, what democrat, but what . Hold on. What democrats challenged, let democrats, i know, i know. Ive been down this road many times, but no democratic you can not compare the two situations we have talked about that weve seen the audio of that when they protested hold on a second they ever have you ever had a sitting president who refused to facilitate the peaceful transition of power, refused to acknowledge that his successor won the presidency so a, we did have a peaceful transfer of power. I was there on january 20. I was there on the swearing early be if you look at in 2000, democrats went to the senate or 2001 democrats went to the senate. Florida objected to George W Bush in 2001 president they went into object. What did the president in 2016, democrats went and objected to donald trump. And so what happened in 2016, because i remember a Guy Named Joe Biden was Vice President and he went to the senate floor and certified the votes. So do you wrong so youre asking will you promise No Matter What to agree an election as illegitimate regardless of what happens and that would be an absurd thing to claim, like we have an entire Election Law System that people challenge elections, elections get overturned, voterfraud gets proven that it happens all the time and the media engages in this weird game post, donald trump that you insist no voter fraud has ever existed. Why does every state have laws in place to challenge voterfraud if it occurs, the media an election challenge isnt a game. There was no once again, only ask republicans that you ask look into tried to block the transition of power. You have to acknowledge that weve never seen it on a scale of what happened in 2020. And weve never seen the president refused. He wouldnt even let joe biden get classified briefings at the beginning. I recall that, so let me my question for you again. Free and fair election. Will you accept the results regardless of who wins look, if the democrats, when i will accept the result, but im not going to ignore fraud. Or whatever you 20 of course, there was fraud, no, that wasnt. And you still objected oh, you know, for a fact, there were zero voterfraud really, whats your basis for that . Show me your evidence. Weve spoken with the governor kemp. They did three Hand Recounts in the state of georgia, the director of cisa said that that was the safest most legitimate elections. But youre saying zero voter fraud occurred. Thats what you just said. Nothing that would have changed the outcome, but thats a different statement, but no, its not. But because there was no voterfraud that there was no voter fraud that would have changed outcome of the election. And you know that. So what what i know is that what i stood on the senate floor and objected what i called four, ill tell you i wrestled with what to do in that circumstance. And the reason i wrestled with it is because i think there was significant voter fraud in 2020 and you wanted the ten day commissioner. I know. But was their voterfraud that would have been no. Why i wanted to attend a commission because i tried to look. Im a Supreme Court litigator. I argued cases in front of the Supreme Court. I know i tried to look through history and precedent and the best precedent i could find was the election of 18761876, was between rutherford b. Hayes and samuel tilden. What happened there . There were serious allegations of voter fraud and congress didnt throw its hands up and say, you know what cnn demanded that accept the results No Matter What. So ignore the fraud. I can go francis, so but hold on. What it comes how did congress do in a President Handle what did congress do in 18, 18, 76 center. Im asking you to this question is asking a question, what did congress do an answer, yes or no to this question can you answer my question . Why . Are you refusing to match mine . Im conducting the interview with but honor. But let me ask you, wont its republicans have twisted themselves in knots. Its just a guess. If im answering your question, just dont like, man, whats your answer . Is it yes, sir. Is it no. So in 18 76, what congress did, is it a appointed and Election Commission . It consisted of 15 people five house members, five senators, five Supreme Court justices. The Election Commission was charged with studying the evidence and making a determination of what voterfraud occurred and that determine the winner. And what i called for in 2020 was to do the same thing appointed Election Commission. And let senators joined me there was like after it had been thrown out of many courts, after the attorney generals bar because there was no basis for those court cases thats not with all due respect. Yes, my question do im an answer it and you didnt as you a question . Yes, i did. Cases. Hold on a second. Ill said there was no widespread fraud. Youre not clearly answering the question. I want to thank my nauta. Im answering every question. I think the country would have been a lot better off with a determination of what evidence of voter fraud there was occurred. And instead, the media didnt want to hear it and insist voterfraud never occurs. You got to go back and look at the car to attorney general. And my question is that it was the media, it was cnn that relentlessly polish 2024, relentlessly push that propaganda. And by the way, never, never was no widespread fraud. That voterfraud doesnt exist and anyone who says it does is wearing a tin foil hat at that is propaganda. And by the way, you never ask Hillary Clinton this. You never asked Stacey Abrams this. You never asked out of gordon zero respect. Every one of them with all the republicans so one real legitimate, i havent had any of them on my show. Well talk to them, but i dont remember there being a president who was refusing to turn over the transition of power and facilitate done and trump didnt either. 24 you did not answer. Let me say a final i havent come. Thank you very much. Centered on its own all red has an either he ought to come to your show, senator ted cruz now answer that question. Thank you very much. Much more on that interview. And what we touched on earlier, of course, you heard the news story about the latest Supreme Court justice we talked about Justice Alito. There, there is more news on that tonight. Back in a moment bus to credit, we know running a business takes everything you have, and only a certain kind of leader has what it takes. Every new challenges years to solve. And theres no such thing as off the clock. You carry the weight of the problems for your resolved never wavers no one one else can do what you do we know your drive. 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I mean, elliott, i think first i want to talk to you about the Supreme Court and the context of why this is so headline worthy, but donie, you are they on january 6 . You have spent a lot of time kinda getting into the mindset of the people are on that day. Can you just tell us what this flag for people who are unfamiliar with it . Yeah. And when you asked me first earlier today about this phi guile, ill admit i had didnt recognize it, but it was when i went back to look at pictures and videos from january 6 that you see this flag everywhere. Its known as the Pine Tree Flag. Does date back to the revolutionary war but look, there were a lot of symbols. A january 6, right, there was a lot of People Holding the christian flight. There was a lot of People Holding crosses it doesnt necessarily mean that all of those all of that imagery, in some way condones what happened in that there is a symbol of what happened on the day, but specifically this flag, the Pine Tree Flag from what ive been able to understand the past few hours, even speaking to some pastures across the country tree is this flag has kinda come back into circulation very clearly over the past decade or so less, almost about january 6, but more a representation of Christian Nationalism of this idea, which is very popular among a lot of people who stormed the capital on january 6, that christianity should take precedence over all other religions in this country. Yeah, it will in this surface, because its outside of speaker Mike Johnsons office. I mean, its not some people would defend it and say, what flow of ships during the revolution its not always assigned to that, but its the context also of what we were just talking out there with senator cruz on the floor like outside Justice Alitos home. And the idea that this spring court is very soon going to make some critical rulings on two cases related to january 6 and more to the point, kaitlan, as they were deciding whether to take the case on. If you look at the timing, it was flying over his house roughly at that time. Look, it is perfectly within ones First Amendment Free Speech Rights to fly whatever flag they want in front of their house. Some flags are political statements. And when a political statement is a statement related to a movement that is ultimately before your court as the Supreme Court, you have a Perception Problem wont add a minimum. Im not saying that all of the possible explanations for what the flag might been are certainly true. But theres a political meaning to it and its a bad look for the core. Well and the standard obviously is different for a Supreme Court justice. I mean, we talked about in he said what happened at his home here when it was the beside down american flag, long seen as a distrust of weird, right . Its weird because theres no one that youre a Supreme Court justice, obviously they dont have a binding code of ethics, but its something that people have looked at in the sense of why is he signaling anything outside of his home . Yeah. Look, i think again, it just seems to be part of a pattern. Its the same way that trump talks about vermin and everything else. This is, these are two very clear symbols that is clearly, you can debate them whatever way you want and point a history. But these are very part much part of a movement that was relevant in that moment 20 years old and Elliot Williams great to have you both here joining me next here. 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Soon, its expected to be a bipartisan invite and an overwhelming show of unity for netanyahu as a prosecutor or the chief prosecutor, i should note with the International Criminal courts as he plans to seek a warrant for can you whose arrest for alleged war crimes in gaza. But while most in congress have our standing against the icc prosecutor and that announcement that he made to cnns christiane amanpour. There is one prominent exception hes my source tonight, independent senator Bernie Sanders. Senator sanders, welcome back to the source through and thank you for being here. What do you make a netanyahu coming to address congress . Would you go to that operable audio . No, i wont go. Luck. You have a Prime Minister who has created the worst humanitarian disaster in modern history. Israel, of course, had the right to defend itself against the hamas terrorist attack. But what netanyahu has done is gone to war against all out, war against the entire Palestinian People, women and children 5 of the population is now dead or wounded. 60 of whom are women and children well turn on some 200,000 Housing Units have been completely destroyed. Every university in gaza has been bombed there is no there is now imminent starvation taking place so why you went invite somebody who has done such horrific things to the Palestinian People is something that i think is a very bad idea. Well, its not just speaker mike johnson, Senator Schumer is on board with this its about i strongly disagree a look what the icc prosecutor has done is very important what he has said is there must be wars horrific in general and i would hope that someday the human race might end war but what he has said, he slipped got to be standards. And as you know, last year he went after putin of russia who has taken, Kidnapped Thousands of ukrainian children and taking them to russia. And he said, thats a war crime, not to mention. Putin slotting the largest war in europe since world war ii. What he said about sinwar, the head of hamass, this is the guy who started the war, committed a terrible atrocity on october 7 is a war criminal. He is a war criminal. But when netanyahu goes to war against the entire Palestinian People, kills 35,000 wounds, 77,000 destroys to health care system, their educational system, their civilian infrastructure. You know what, you got to have standards. And if you turn your back on that, then the next Guy Around The World comes as a, we could destroy the whole thing lets do it. So i make of, of what we heard on this because the common refrain to that and what President Biden, it says is that it draws a false equivalence between Prime Minister netanyahu and yahya sinwar. I dont agree no one now is the head of a democratic nation. He was elected. Thats true. Sinwar is a terrorist head of a Terrorist Organization thats true but what the icc prosecutor looked at is what they have actually fit, what they did what Sind On Sinwar did, Welcome Mustard is to my mind a act of a criminal violation of international law. No question about it. Hes a war criminal. What netanyahu is going to the Palestinian People is different but that is also to my mind a clear violation of international law. And we saw that video today of the female Israeli Soldiers being tied up and bound. Disgusting all right. But what hamas is what they did is a they are disgusting Terrorist Organization. And the discussion, sinwar is a walk. Im not. But does that give the head of a modern powerful, industrialized nation the right to go to war against the entire parcel near people i want to read you one thing which is important as you know, Defense Minister Of Israel gullet has also been those worn out, their his arrest as well. This is what he said soon after october 7, he said, quote Defense Minister, quote, i have ordered a complete siege on the gaza strip. There will be no electricity, no food, no fuel, everything is closed. We are fighting Human Animals and we are acting accordingly. End of quote that is the Defense Minister israel and you know what that is exactly, what they did. There is no electricity. We covered those comments and weve covered also whats been happening. Obviously there on this front though, if those warrants are issued, countries that are party to the icc will have to arrest netanyahu and golan if they go into those countries. I mean, would you be okay with look between you and me . I dont think putin is gonna get arrested. I dont think sinwar, its going to rust that. I dont think now who is going to get arrested. But the World Community has got to have certain standards or ros. We moved into barbarism and the next country at what will say, look, look what israel de, yeah, im going to wipe out all the housing. Were going to solve all the children. Hey, thats okay. So what the icc is trying to do, i think importantly in a crazy world and a world of so much violence, trying to hold at least some minimum standards of what governments have gotta do. Senator Bernie Sanders, thank you for joining us here tonight. Thank you. Up. Next well get a new reaction from our political experts to our interview a few moments ago with republican senator ted cruz. And what the state of the races with 2024 and also accepting the results in 2024 back in a moment youve never had a pretzel until youve had pretzels dot. You think theyd give just anyone that domain 50 delicious flavors, perfectly seasoned, ship fresh to you or a loved one in just days, pretzels. Com. So good. 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You ask me a question you want and you didnt ask you a question yes, i did. Cases were hold on a second also, there was no words or if i do not clearly answering the question, i want to thank my not im answering every question to political veterans here to respond to that, karen funny and scott jennings. I dont know who i should call on first lets got take that first. Oh, come on hes gonna say well, i first of all, there was an easy answer to the question. Yes, of course, ill accept it. But if you believe that there are things that can be looked at, theres also an easy answer to that, which is the beautiful thing about american elections as their processes to adjudicate everything. We vote. And then if you have challenges, there are courts to look at it. The courts make decisions than the electoral college, but i mean, theres a whole process that you can believe in. If you believe in institutions and say, as long as those processes and institutions function properly, i have no reason to say that i would ever dispute the results of an election. Theres an easy answer, but isnt part of the problem that what has happened under donald trump is he has spent so much time undermining so many of our Democratic Institutions that the truth is, if you are publican who is has a political future in mind and youre trying to stay on trumps goods. Sayyed, you can answer that question as a yes or no question and you cant actually answer it in the affirmative. And ill tell you the other thing that i really resent when they bring up when he was saying you didnt ask Hillary Clinton, let me tell you why late night right before she conceded we were all on the phone trying to decide what did we want to contest and we want more time. And she basically said, you know what, its not good for the country if we dont think that we can, that there are real something that we could really count on to get us to, to 70. Were not doing that, but then she conceded, but she Still Believes today that the election was probably stolen. No. No, i think we believe that there were a lot of things that went on that well never know the truth about what she said, but she has said publicly many times she believes the russians interfered in the election yes. So she believes that the election was stolen . No. Thats not what thats not the same thing as saying you would would you accept the outcome i agree with you on that point. Right. But im saying but she has continued to say she has continued to call the question publicly. The results of the 2016 election and whether it was free and fair. The term where were using tonight because she is arguing that a foreign power interfered and when it mattered, we didnt. We said, okay, she, she conceded and trump became president. If you believed russia interfered and stole the election, why wouldnt you can test it, wouldnt that be your responsibility as a political leader now all the information we didnt think it would be right for the country at that moment in time, but it is a moment no he cited Stacey Abrams and others. We have seen those moments where we have republicans who use those to justify their actions but obviously this was a president ial election. The president of the United States was not conceding the election. He was openly disputing it and claiming fraud and even though every attorney around him, the ones who were actually paid to work in the white house. They were telling him theres no widespread fraud that would change this. I mean, he was so angry with bill barr when he came out and said that to the Associated Press in december yeah, i think republicans get upset when there is an insinuation that only republicans challenge the veracity of claims about elections when there had been some democrats not to the extent we saw in january the six obviously but, obviously there have been some democrats who have said, oh, my election was stolen or this, or that, and republicans feel like theyre not properly heckled the way argument of a fifth grader that will they did this. So im justified in profusing nothing justify january 6, full staff that was not justifiable in terms of the violence, in terms of okay. I totally agree, but i think also we can agree that nothing justifies the continued undermining of elections long after a decision is made. 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