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Defense of the trial prioress, but not without a damaging crossexamination of their only witness. Also, new photos. We have never seen before in the classified documents case allegedly showing a trump aide and codefendant moving boxes inside maralago before trump attorneys were to check for classified files . And severe turbulence good evening. The defense of donald trump ended today in a manhattan courtroom. The former president whos made wild accusations outside the court chose to remain silent and not speak to the jury under oath. One witness, the defendant did want the jury to hear an attorney named robert costello. The defense called him yesterday to try and undermine the credibility of the prosecutions key witness, Michael Cohen but today, prosecutors badly undermined his they used emails involving costello, sent within weeks of Michael Cohens arrest by the fbi in 2018 . To show that while castello was offering cohen legal advice, is motives seem to mirror then President Trumps in one email, prosecutors read to him because stella writes his law partner, quote, are issues to get cohen on the right page without giving him the appearance since we are following instructions from giuliani or the president this came a day after judge merchan cleared the court overwork costellos Breast Demeanor toward the judge. And once the defense wrap their case in the early afternoon today, that left hours a battle between the two sides over the seemingly arcane, but absolutely vital charging instructions. The judge will give to the jury these instructions will act like a roadmap for their deliberations of the former president s fate. But because the Current Court schedule combined with a long Memorial Day Weekend coming up means the jury members are headed home for long layover, and will not return to your Closing Arguments until next tuesday, after which they will begin their deliberation. The judge today said that should begin next wednesday joined now by robert ray, the former president s counsel in his first impeachment trial, former federal prosecutor jeffrey thuban, former new York Supreme Court judge diane qizan. And to people whove been inside the courtroom throughout these long days and hours of testimony. Norm eisen, former counsel to House Democratic during that first impeachment. And cnns Kara Scannell i want to get carried to the Jury Instructions a little bit, but first, lets talk about what happened to costello. Theyre only witness that they put on the stand on crossexamination. Right. I mean, he was brought into undermine Michael Cohens credibility and Prosecutor Susan Hoffinger spent the morning trying to undermine costellos and she asked him seemingly off the bat a somewhat innocuous question to set things up, asking costello if in that first meeting he had with Michael Cohen, if he had mentioned his connections to Rudy Giuliani, who was very close to trump, not yet on the legal team. And the costello had said that no, he hadnt. So then she brings up an email and shows it to him and says, you sent this email, correct . This is correct. I did say to mr. Cohen thats correct. Two days after meeting him . Thats correct, yes. She said, im going to read this for the jury. Im sure you saw the news that rudy is joining the trump legal team. I told you my relationship with rudy, which could be very, very useful for you. So confronting him with this to get him on the back foot suggests you did tell this to Michael Cohen in that first meeting. Why are you not saying to the jury right now that you did this all this was a pattern that she used all day asking him questions than showing him an email some new for the first time that came in before the jury, just to show this relationship between trump and trumps lawyers Rudy Giuliani, and wrong avert costello to undermine his defense that he wasnt trying to pressure Michael Cohen. The prosecution has said that there was a Pressure Campaign they wanted to keep cohen in the camp and didnt want them to flip on. Donald trump why did they put crystal those the only witness the defense has called was this. Do you think it was like punishment to donald trump wanted him on and he had testified took committee before congress. One can only speculate and there has been some reporting that trumps saw him testifying in congress and said put him on but from a perspective of defending their client it was a disaster a good way to end. It left a bad taste in the jurys mouth as they go home for a week, the jury could see yesterday that the judge was as angry at costello as he has been at any point in this trial and juries grow attached to a judge, judge merchan is a very good judge. This jury is very fond of him today. The jury was visibly annoyed with costello rolling their eyes, shaking their heads and ada Susan Hoffinger did a masterful job, not just Impeaching Costello and make him look looking bad insinuating that he had tried to manipulate Michael Cohen. But of supporting her own case by using castello to explain the pressure that Michael Cohen felt and that pressure as a reason for his false hoods before he started cooperating. So it was a disastrous decision and because he was the only substantive witness, there was a document witness, daniel sitko, a paralegal, who set up the costello testimony because he was the not only substantive witness, anderson the risk is that some of that Spillover Effect is this honesty, his rudeness, the judges disdain for him attaches to the defense as these jurors go home for a week disastrous move jeff unbelievable unbelievable. I just have to say i mean, the idea that this would be the entire defense case and the judge the jury is always instructed the defense is not obliged to put forth any evidence. The burden of proof is always on the government. It is always true that the government calls many more witnesses than the defense but juries are always interested at the end of the defense. The governments case. What is the defense have to say what are they going to put forward and they put forward this guy who was far as i could tell, the only thing he accomplished was he showed there was a conspiracy of trump giuliani and costello himself to get cohen to keep lying, to stay on the team with trump. That to me is inconceivable as a Defense Strategy ultimately, i think the defense can hope this was just a sideshow. It wasnt really about the core issues in the case but as the one defense witness total disaster, robert was my look i do. I really know ultimately it doesnt matter what i know. Its what the jury thinks and makes of this. My own sense is its a lot of atmospherics the reason this witness was called is because he directly contradicts which is pitchman of the statements made by Michael Cohen on the stand, Michael Cohen now is giving you a story that implicates donald trump. And he told his own lawyer that he didnt have anything on donald trump. Now, i would have ask that in two questions. If i had been doing this myself, to be honest with you, i wouldnt have belabored it. Most judges dont like whats referred to as extrinsic evidence of impeachment. Its its its allowed in its kind of narrowly circumscribed. Usually, i would not have he comes with baggage and i knew that thats the risk of call on this witness. And so im trying to uh, minimize the baggage by leaving it to two or three questions, then i would have been done. I would not have allowed him to meander off into the wilderness as he did with the opportunity to basically act insulting to the judge and judge overseeing the judge to have to take action which was not really i think beneficial to the defense case. Well, i think its not only what he said, but that demeanor the day before is really deadly for the defense its true. Jurors start to bond with the judge, especially over a long trial, and you can be sure that when by the way, hes sitting a few feet away from the jury. Thats the reason the jury box box is right by the witness box, because you want to look at the demeanor of the witnesses. So let me tell you when he started muttering under his breath, giving the hairy eyeball to the judge, the jury saw that and believe me, when the judge said sergeant give the jury their break. They knew exactly what was going on and, you know, theyre in the jury room whispering it out. Whats going to happen now if i had been the question right at that point, you would just like to strangle a witness and just stay statically, but that didnt happen what will we know . We wont know until the end . Will it be subject of some commentary during juror deliberations, i almost guarantee you that it will how much effect it will have look, the jury ultimately has to focus on the evidence of what what really transpired here. One fact worth remembering about this jury is that there has not been one juror who has left a jury in the course of more than a month long case, we lets talk to other judges in that courthouse. Very unusual, very unusual. Yeah, i thought it was inevitable that you would have seen at some alternate jurors go that suggests to me, again, i dont want to pretend i mind rating, but this is a committed jury, a serious jury a jury that really wants to reach a verdict in this case. Doesnt want to have a hung jury. The fact that they are all still there from day one is unusual and important, and you can see it in the demeanor karen, i see it in the demeanor of that jury. They take it seriously many of them take notes. They look at the lawyer, they look at the witness, they Pay Attention to the judge its all the more remarkable because we lost two jurors during voir dire to wouldve been selected had comments or contacts or felt uncomfortable and we thought, oh, theyre going to have to tap that pool of alternate part of the reason, by the way, that the judge is taking this break is if he had rushed through this week and hed seated the jury and then release the alternate sends everybody home for fourday memorial day. He could have risked losing his jury. So there is a remarkable bonding as the judge said, that has happened, hes not going to release those alternatives. Its until the jury begins deliberating. Then of course, its the Defense Lawyers call if they want the alternative to remain because you cant see an alternate once a jury begins deliberation without the consent of the difference, do you think it favors one side or the other . This break of basically a week. I mean, tuesday is gonna be goes the argument its hard to tell. I mean, theres a part of me that if i were Susan Hoffinger and her team, i would want the jury to have fresh in their mind this castello witness because it really does. I think bolster the peoples case however, you dont want deliberations to begin in there to be a three or four day break, its just too dangerous the idea that youre going to a barbecue over the Holiday Weekend isnt somebody going to say and its all whats going on in the jury room and id like to thank that. I dont i shouldnt say id like to think. I know these jurors are going to abide by the instruction the judge, the law presumes that they will and ive never in my experience had occasionally you get a rogue juror, but for the most part theyre very attentive they want obligate, they do. And i also stayed its the right call to have distinct start with summations after the Holiday Weekend. I wouldnt have tried to rush things along. I think thats the right way to go. Totally agree i want to play something, judge. That trump said outside the court. Obviously he chose not to testify though he said he would be up for it any everybody we talked to obviously said there was no way he was going to testify ever, but lets play what he said outside the court and he showed that you never said rather have first of all so initially me, how the people position themselves behind him on either sides of their seen on cameras what do you i mean, it makes my blood boil the idea look, hes not violating the gag order. Hes allowed to criticize the judge. Its not the criticism the judge that in and of itself bad enough. It goes to the heart of our Justice System. He is undermining the rule of law. He is saying this man is corrupt with what evidence i know he is saying this man is biased and whether he gets acquitted or convicted, they know theyre going to be a lot of people people out there who are going to think that the new York Supreme Court is corrupt. And its really offensive and it should be to everyone who is concerned about the rule of law. Everyone. Thank you. Appreciate it. The conclusion of testimony and pause in Court Proceedings means it may be a long while before we again witnessed the entourage. Im trump allies and hangers on and fill the seats behind the form former president during the trial. And whod become mainstays in these sometimes circuslike atmosphere today was no different. Omar jimenez has that story a new day in court, a new cast of characters in support of donald trump. Anyone in america should be embarrassed at the absolute miscarriage bridge of justice that were seeing here. This cannot stand and it cannot allow to continue. Don. Why did you feel the need to come down here and personal . Because you have no choice. Again, i wasnt a political guy my whole life. You have to fight, you have to leave our country to our children in a way that they can recognize it, but it wasnt just donald trump junior in court today. They were the more staid supporters, like Former Acting attorney general, matt whitaker. We demand better New York City demands better and former Florida Attorney general, pam bondi but also politicians like former white house doctor. Now texas congressmen, ronny jackson, congresswoman maria salazar, and even congressmen troy nehls Sporting A Donald Trump hugging the flag, tie. This is five weeks sitting in a courtroom. What he should be outreaching the American People and telling the American People what he would like to do for this country. There were a few on the more unexpected sayyed, like chuck ss ido, former new york chapter president for the hells angels, which the Department Of Justice has called a criminal enterprise and has linked to the gambia no crime family, even actor and trump supporter joe pisco showed up famous for his impersonations on saturday night live. Its time im that for all of us to start buying and thriving american cars now, the reception for some of those who come to support, it doesnt always go as planned. There are haters there are haters people are but with Closing Arguments inside the courtroom ahead, theres no sign trumps out died supporters or slowing down anytime soon. The star witness in this case, theres a what . Nine times convicted liar in now. Now in admitted thief that is who theyre hanging the entire case on omar jimenez joins us now. How is this organized by the trunk family, by the people around trump . Is it do we know . Well as we understand, look, when this trial first started back in april, multiple sources familiar with trumps thinking, told cnn that trump was privately complaining there werent enough allies either inside the courtroom or outside the courtroom, defending him, then next thing you know, senators like rick scott are coming here after that. Then you have House Speaker mike johnson, other republican allies, sometimes even dressed in similar ways, including red tie, similar suits. We dont know if thats coordinated. And then of course you see the wide range of people that actually come out to support the president it go inside the courtroom than they come outside to where a lot of the press is gathered. They make statements. A lot of what you heard in theyre calling the trial of farce saying this shouldnt be happening in the first place, not so much getting into the facts of the case in specifics, but more so talking about at a largescale d, do not believe this case in trial should be happening and look, this is happening on camera. Almost knowing that this will be seen at some point. And so likely this dynamic is not going away, especially as we make our way to Closing Arguments next week and even more so, once we get to when you verdict time, anderson, her morgan minutes. Thanks so much still to come. Arizona officials finally found him now, Rudy Giuliani and ten were allies of the former president of pleaded not guilty in a trial over alleged attempts to overturn the 2020 president ial election in that state. 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